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Portuguese Government Rejects Austerity Plan, Government Collapses

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Just out:


Next up: government resignation, crisis, bail out, etc. You know the drill.

Very modest drop in the EURUSD for now:


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Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:01 | 1091853 hugovanderbubble
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Next Spain...

Spain is in DEFAULT


DOnt buy Spanish bonds

Neither Public and Private.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:05 | 1091867 Alienated Serf
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When Spain goes down, I expect to expect dow +200.


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:10 | 1091906 Cash_is_Trash
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Show Joe Socrates the door please.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:26 | 1092916 StychoKiller
Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:11 | 1091913 long juan silver
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Hell Porgy's good for plus 500 Dow alone! 

Spain? Put me down for plus 1500! In fact, I like that number. If Spain goes tits up-- it's SPX to 1500! Bernake will be en fuego mi hombres!!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:13 | 1091942 Cash_is_Trash
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Nigel, Nigel, Nigel...

Nigel Farage that is.

The only sane critic at the Euro Parliament.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:25 | 1092005 Thomas
Wed, 03/23/2011 - 19:28 | 1092736 invention13
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I've been wondering the same thing - where's my buddy Nigel on all of this?

I find him entertaining as hell.


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:25 | 1092016 John Law Lives
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Your post is funny, but it is so goddam pathetic that I want to vomit.  The Ben Bernank seems intent to destroy the US Dollar and nobody in Washington DC (other than Ron Paul) seems to care enough to speak up about it.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:36 | 1092091 SheepDog-One
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Politician puppets never have a word to say about anything until its election time and their phony baloney jobs are on the line. THEN its always fire and brimstone speech time.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:30 | 1092393 Republican Lackey
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They don't say a word because their constituients wouldn't understand what they're saying. It's too complicated a subject.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 19:12 | 1092693 NidStyles
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Likely excuse.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:02 | 1093017 Fred Hayek
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That's part of the problem.  The other part is that the part that's easily understood is all bad news.  Politicians have ZERO willingness to give anyone bad news.  Look at the Teleprompter in Chief and his "budget".  Rather than admit what's going on he just declared himself "present". 

Yup, I submitted a budget. 

What's in it?  Hey, look at my NCAA brackets!

I saw a remark at Reason magazine that, not since James Buchanan, has a president so completely failed to even try to deal with the biggest domestic issue of his time.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:15 | 1091946 Cursive
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@Alienated Surf

Strong like plutonium bull.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:18 | 1091967 disabledvet
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is that kind of like "serf's up, dude"?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:43 | 1092123 Alienated Serf
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No. Its like a raging pissed of peasant who bought into the what our feudal overlords were selling, went into debt to work for the lord of the manor, did the dirty work for him and then became so disgusted that he had to quit and be indebted for decaeds to come.

translation- pissed off ex-white collar defense attorney who quit to to take over a 50% cut in pay b/c he could not live with himself for helping pure evil individuals, even though he is in serious debt.

that kind of serf.



Wed, 03/23/2011 - 19:04 | 1092673 el Gallinazo
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Couldn't you find some nice, innocent people with a couple of bucks to defend?  Were you hanging out with the wrong crowd?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:04 | 1093034 Fred Hayek
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I briefly dated a woman who had worked as a public defender.  She said that she quickly learned two things about the people she was representing.  They all lied to her.  And they were all guilty.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 22:44 | 1093339 Alienated Serf
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if they have enough bucks for a white shoe firm, they aren't innocent.  truth be told, not individuals can afford that, it was for fortune 100 corporations....  bunch of sociopaths.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:49 | 1092154 Alienated Serf
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hell yeah!  when indian point melts we'll get a nice 2k bump.  if those wusses would have used plutonium instead of U235 there, would have been 4k.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 22:51 | 1093373 Yen Cross
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Plutionium is in a pit like an apricote. The shell structure I won't disclose.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:20 | 1091992 zebra
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why are you so bearish? it would cost at least +1000 in DJ

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:29 | 1092036 UninterestedObserver
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LOL this was obviously very bullish for US stocks

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:01 | 1091854 The Axe
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And kick the up the Irish

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:04 | 1091859 Gubbmint Cheese
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don't forget +327 on the Dow and +15 on the S&P...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:03 | 1091866 squexx
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I'm expecting more like 500+ on the DOW!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:57 | 1092216 bothsidesnow
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Bernanke trades in helicopter for C-130 Galaxy.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:14 | 1092547 gaoptimize
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C-5 Galaxy.  C-130 Hercules



Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:05 | 1091861 SheepDog-One
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Oh nicely timed announcement 1 minute after the bell so as to not spoil Bens 'cntrl/print' 80 point DOW pump herculean effort on nothing but the worst news all day long! Enjoy while it lasts, something tells me it wont be very long. Stocks are so 2007 anyway, wow look at silver rape!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:10 | 1091911 TradingJoe
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Yeah! How fucking convenient eh? Right after "market" close Da' Newssss!

Now sell off AH and overnight to only be fucking green in the morning, right on time

for the stupid american sheeple! I really think we al have it coming, this much

ignorance has got to be punished!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:16 | 1091947 SheepDog-One
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Sure! All anyone does anyway is the navel-gazing analysis of how theyre raping today and marveling at the captors ability to rip everyone off right in front of their nose day after day.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:31 | 1092054 Cognitive Dissonance
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I am beginning to detect the slightest whiff of fear and even panic in the air. While conducting my morning shower and shave ritual I usually subject myself to one (and only one) hour of CNBC inbetween combing over the bald spot and trying to spot the family jewels over the pot belly.

Joe Kernen is what I would describe as a Kool-Aid drinking "insider" if ever there was one. And he is showing some disturbing signs of fear. While the change is subtle and not always apparent to the two types of viewer, one that is either elbow to elbow with Joe at the bar or throwing things at the TV every time Joe opens his pie hole, I see some uncertainty in Joe's eyes and an occasional quiver in his voice.

Joe was promised that by this point we would be well past green shoots and well into harvesting wheat and corn. We are not and he is beginning to become a bit worried. My one hour of self torture is slowing turning into pleasure as I watch him begin to squirm.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:41 | 1092115 SheepDog-One
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Good point certainly. I sense the same from the media all around that things they were promised would happen by now if only they lied real big for a while and carried the handlers buckets around for them. They seem nervous now, probably imagining what will happen to them in a worst case scenario and theyre left to the public theyve been lying to about all this when its shown to have been total BS.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:46 | 1092426 AhhhItBurns
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The 'news' making it to 24 hour news networks is jaw dropping. I started to get most of my news by print/online (quicker, and more detailed) years ago and I have been a lot better for it. I got lazy today and turned on CNN for a while to find no mention of current debt events in Europe. A soft news story was quickly followed up with a general 'don't worry' line about the Japanese nuclear ball dropping and its destruction of crops and food products. Better yet, you can take a blind party line stance if you turn the channel up a few. Nothing better than reaffirmed values and strawmen to start your day off right.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:06 | 1092262 Atomizer
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Good observation CD. Even Becky is showing signs of distress. IMHO, Karl is still completely clueless.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:05 | 1092269 cossack55
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One of the great motivators to keep me going is the hope (and changey) that one AM I will turn on CNBC and see only the lower calves and shoes seemingly suspended in midair and slowly swinging on the silent set.  A dream, I know, but what a dream.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:01 | 1092859 QQQBall
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Too much personal info CD. ;)

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:30 | 1093769 RockyRacoon
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Thanks, CD.  Is your comb-over as nice as Mark Haynes?  His is absolutely the worst one on TV -- period.   Somebody in management over there should set the boy down and get real with his makeup artist.   I've got a balding situation myself but I revel in it.  You know what they say:  God only made so many perfect heads; the others he put hair on.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:30 | 1092043 John Law Lives
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It is easier to pump the market in AH.  It must be great to have the power that the Chairsatan has and nobody can do anything about it...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 19:56 | 1092846 unununium
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Did anybody see this last week?  JPM was approved to be a COMEX depository  -- in just 2 days:

JPM's facility at 1 Chase Manhattan Plaza is literally across the street from the New York Fed.  Beneath the New York Fed is a huge vault containing custodial metal and presumably a large part of the 10M oz Au the Fed supposedly has.  Would there be, I don't know, any tunnels connecting these two?


Cogent thoughts from a guy at alphaville


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:02 | 1091863 99er
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Life in the


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:33 | 1092078 SheepDog-One
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Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:03 | 1091865 Alea Iacta Est
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Hey Sancho is the market closed?

Si, El Presidente!

Great.  Ok, time to collapse the government guys.


Well timed, Portugal...well timed.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:11 | 1091925 johnnynaps
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It's amazing isn't it. One day, the collective effort of these governments to kick the can down the road will cease to exist.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:05 | 1091869 RobotTrader
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Looks like we either crash on this news or the markets sky bigtime tomorrow.

No in-between, the Algo/Igor/Robots are either "All In" or "All Out".

The FemBots must be getting torn in all directions, wondering which way to horsewhip the 19-year joystickers.



Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:06 | 1091882 SheepDog-One
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WOW highly relevant and cutting edge post as usual RainbowTrader! 'Looks like markets will go either up or down from here'....SPECTACULAR!!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:16 | 1091960 Backspin
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Robo's not just predicting up or down.  His call is for volatility.  That's a valid call.  We'll see if he's right.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:25 | 1092018 Robot Traders Mom
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Don't encourage him. Also, his call for volatility is like me saying that he'll have more stupid shit to say in the next 24 hours. No guarantee it will happen, but in all probability it will.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:45 | 1092629 hamurobby
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Robo you are right, lets see if retail will really join in, again.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:07 | 1091885 plocequ1
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Come on bitchez. Junk The Robomeister on this one. I dare ya

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:13 | 1091936 plocequ1
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How does one junk genius? No respect for Dr Robo

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:16 | 1091949 InconvenientCou...
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up is down, bad is good, right is wrong

Summer Glau won't save us, but at least my eyes will be relaxed.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:25 | 1092006 moldygoat
Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:02 | 1092243 Joeman34
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I respect Robo for posting his calls.  Quite refreshing as compared to the rest of the pseudo-intellectuals on this board who seek to one-up each other by posting generally useless knowledge and retarded one liners... 'Bitchez'

It's very easy to sit-back and take pot-shots.  Try posting an idea other than 'buy PMs' for once... 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:16 | 1092554 TaxSlave
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Well at least it came with a nice picture...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 19:33 | 1092753 UninterestedObserver
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LOL a call isn't "the market is going to go up or down tomorrow" hey flip a coin I bet you will get heads or tails... now congratulate me on my awesome call idiot

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:38 | 1093143 Joeman34
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numb-skull, his call is for volatility, not direction.  Please keep trading.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:33 | 1093782 RockyRacoon
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Well, whichever way it goes, he can always say he called it.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:44 | 1093620 Xando
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The world may be aflame, but damnit I love RoboTrader for the pics he finds!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:03 | 1091870 naughtius maximus
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Wait a minute... isn't parliament a part of government?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:06 | 1091896 Joe Davola
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If not, they should be!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:05 | 1091871 Turd Ferguson
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Just trying to make money for as many as possible:

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:13 | 1091924 DoChenRollingBearing
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Nice column today Turd.

One of your ads was from  I was surprised to see they are already here in Lima, Peru!  (We are visiting Peru now)


Yes, I am happy.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:15 | 1091952 Cash_is_Trash
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Peru has argentum, and plenty of it!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:11 | 1092887 Freebird
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Power to you Turd - some great calls. Wonder when you get the "ZH reads" link...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:05 | 1091875 themosmitsos
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Tyler I dont think so, it's banks & bondholders that'll get shafted, and not FR nor GER will cover them. EU will take the pain now, imHo

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:06 | 1091877 Kaiser Sousa
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guess we should sell all of our "real" money now and buy more debt coupon dollar denominated stocks...

buy the fucking dipshit i mean....

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:06 | 1091878 Zina
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Will the same thing happen in the US when the debt ceiling is reached?

I'm waiting to see the GOP voting to raise the debt ceiling above the psychological barrier of 15 trillion dollar.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:19 | 1091975 camoes
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Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:05 | 1092512 iDealMeat
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I  think the clusterflock of swans riding the radiated air currents have sufficiently distracted enough sheeple to simply just remove it..  I mean really..  15T in debt?  We're better then that. We built the super computer, they can certainly handle more "," in the #..

Let's go Quad! 10^15..   Trillion is so Zimbabwe.. 

Come on Ben..  Split, double down, and go all in...


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:05 | 1091881 Zina
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Will the same thing happen in the US when the debt ceiling is reached?

I'm waiting to see the GOP voting to raise the debt ceiling above the psychological barrier of 15 trillion dollar.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:07 | 1091899 SheepDog-One
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Why is $15 trillion dollars a psychological barrier? Hardly anyone in america can even imagine that much money, as $100 bills in that amount would fill 15 Superdomes to the ceiling.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:13 | 1091937 DoChenRollingBearing
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Right SheepDog.

The Republicans have no spine.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:15 | 1091940 Dr. Porkchop
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The debt ceiling is about as firm as the suspended ceiling in your office. Go ahead, get up on the desk and give it a poke.


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:20 | 1091989 bingaling
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It is not a ceiling and never has been, it is an elevator that goes one way  -

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:20 | 1091976 naughtius maximus
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Well I draw the line at 16 superdomes!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:21 | 1091997 Caviar Emptor
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Yesterday Geithner said we should remove the debt ceiling because it's never been effective :-)

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:49 | 1092168 OpenEyes
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I feel exactly the same about my checking account balance!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 19:34 | 1092766 UninterestedObserver
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The new American Express Black - no limit and don't send me a bill either

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:13 | 1093067 Fred Hayek
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The requirement that he sign his tax return under pains and penalty of perjury wasn't effective either.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:23 | 1091999 InconvenientCou...
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There are various lobbies that are very glad to tutor these imbeciles on economics.

It's all about the growth vector. Big picture, yada yada.

Debt magnitde is irrelevant. All kinds of recycled nonsense that has been recycled over and over for 30+ years.


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:06 | 1091884 Fortunes Favor
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Bad news is good news for the commodity and equity markets. 

Pull your hair back in a ponytail and repeat after me using a Swiss/German accent:

"This will lead to more money printing"

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:09 | 1091909 SWRichmond
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Missterr BerNANG-Key is a money printerr

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:19 | 1091971 Cash_is_Trash
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Middle name Epson. Father hails from the Kyocera clan.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:19 | 1091982 naughtius maximus
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and so forth and so on...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:47 | 1092143 Calmyourself
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Ha, he is in a thai dirt floor bar chasing lady boys as we speak...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:16 | 1092301 PolishErick
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You haz to ask yozelf "hwat arr zey zmoking at ze ECB"!?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:06 | 1091890 hugovanderbubble
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Portuguese debtholders must assume 30% haircuts Minimum....In sovereign debt...


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:15 | 1091941 narnia
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What exactly is this "debt" secured against?  It's not like they'll have an opportunity to take the country to bankruptcy court and start assuming control of the assets.  This debt will turn into a- we're going to pay you last in line when every other special interest or voter is paid scenario.  Welcome to the world of unsecured fiat, above the law debt workouts.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:23 | 1091998 disabledvet
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stop asking silly questions.  i am me!  what do you mean you don't know who i am!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:15 | 1091953 DoChenRollingBearing
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hugo, you may be right, but I suspect smoke & mirrors, lies & obfuscations and a big kick of the can down the road means nothings changes...

Until it does.

But, as they say in Texas: You hold your breath, you die!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:07 | 1091891 RobotTrader
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Oh, by the way, they must be opening up Starbucks in all the PIIGS and MENA countries.

Stock was up 5% today, within a hairsbreadth of new highs.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:09 | 1091901 SheepDog-One
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Well buy more of the POS then RainbowTrader.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:19 | 1091974 Long-John-Silver
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Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz dissed Obamacare even after supporting it from it's inception.


ObamaCare and Small Business

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:41 | 1092118 tmosley
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SO?  So were all the silver stocks.

Oh that's right, you only talk about those when they are down.

"Hearing only what you want to hear, knowing only what you heard."

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:06 | 1091893 firstdivision
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This is the breaking headline at MW



Euro falls vs. dollar as Portugal OKs debt plan

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:10 | 1091918 SheepDog-One
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Why shouldnt they just lie? Everyones just happy accepting their game, navel gazing and marveling at their captors. If I was robbing houses and everyone just watched as I walked out with their flat screens and blue ray players, I'd keep doing it as well!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:39 | 1092117 Dr. Porkchop
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In the future, the criminals will be robbing your house of your electronics to harvest for silver.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:52 | 1092182 SheepDog-One
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Good luck to em getting past my 3 Rottweilers and robot sentries armed with twin M-60's.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:06 | 1091897 assumptionblindness
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This is obviously GREAT news!  The market will probably open limit up tomorrow.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:20 | 1091986 Bleeping Fed
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S&P limit = infinity

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:43 | 1092128 SheepDog-One
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S&P? Who cares about the German markets?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:08 | 1091898 bingaling
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Okay, why do I get the feeling that in Bizarro world the Euro rallies tomorrow ? Remember everyone what is right is wrong and what is wrong is right . (except for gold and silver ) .

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:26 | 1092023 Black Forest
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Right, EURUSD might well go north. That means: You Americans have to create even more debt to get a strong, stable, reliable, gold-like, ever-lasting currency like our great EUR. </irony_off>

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:11 | 1091915 Caviar Emptor
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Portuguese Parliament is saying to Euro core: Where's our bailout?? You bailed your banks and citizens, now you gotta bail us. 


And the game continues, but nobody is truly aware of the side effects of the treatment: bloated financial markets, busted real economies. 

Lotsa Luck!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:11 | 1091928 kaiten
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Who cares? Just BTFD

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:25 | 1092008 andybev01
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Bury Their Futile Debt...?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:30 | 1092048 SheepDog-One
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Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:49 | 1092151 LostWages
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Time to change to "BTFC"....Dip changed to Collapse.


Time to BTFC Bitchez!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:11 | 1091929 youngman
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nothing suprises me Portugal is still one had the guts to do anything but change the chairs...great politicians...great statesmen...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:14 | 1091935 Mae Kadoodie
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As Socrates would say, "All I know is that I know nothing".

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:15 | 1091939 elagano
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So who rejects the austerity plan? Government? Strange...

Anyways, thanks for doing amazing work, Tyler.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:20 | 1091980 Dr. Porkchop
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Opposition party in parliament, I would expect.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:27 | 1092033 elagano
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Yeah, but the header says otherwise.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:15 | 1091957 Caviar Emptor
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Now we'll see fireworks between Euro core and periphery. If the core doesn't play its cards right there could be further economic and political disintegration. We're near the edge of the cliff as it is. Bombers assigned to Libya may have to be reassigned to Lisbon and Seville

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:22 | 1092003 SheepDog-One
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Theres BIG trouble here, I know most ZH'ers only focus on markets and what futures will do in the morning but theres a whole lot of evil shit going on in the world, a lot of endgames being set and bottom line theyre gearing up for a world war soon. So while most people navel-gaze at their portfolios and concentrate on 'BTFD' and the 3rd Elliot Wave, better have good boots, a rifle and lots of ammo and a pantry stocked. Because no matter what anyone says their charts tell them, this doesnt end well real soon.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:16 | 1091959 RobotTrader
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Crappy stocks like MU and RHT are skying after hours on earnings.

People must be anxious to buy the dips on the worst stocks imaginable.

A lot of the CANSLIM action junkies are out of the market after getting the IBD sell signal, now they have been watching the market drift up 3 days in a row and are now desperate to start dry humping some junkers just in case?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:17 | 1091966 Caviar Emptor
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They'd be better off topping off their gas tank before the next big jump in prices. 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:42 | 1093805 RockyRacoon
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People must be anxious to buy the dips on the worst stocks imaginable.

I'd need proof that there are any actual flesh and blood people involved.  It's all a video game at this point.    Ender's Game.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:17 | 1091961 oogs66
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I'm not sure why everyone assumes they will now get EFSF money.  Won't the ECB or IMF require them to agree to austerity program to get money?  And didn't they just demonstrate their unwillingness to do that? 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:20 | 1091981 Caviar Emptor
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Yes and that's the growing conflict. Case of the little tail wagging the dog. THey want their bailout just like the big Euro core banks. They want a jump on the available funds before Spain, Greece, Italy and Hungary deplete them

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:31 | 1092051 Lord Welligton
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I wasn't aware that there were any "available" funds.

The whole thing is one gigantic farce.

The ECB lends money to DBank et al at 1%.

DBank et al lend it to EU members at 7%.

DBank problem solved.

Money from thin air.

Nation States destroyed.


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:35 | 1092096 Caviar Emptor
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The EFSF: Euro Financial Stability Fund was just increased to 440 Billion Euro. Last minute squabbling is delaying the increase until this summer. Portugal wants to grab

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:51 | 1092169 SDRII
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it is not even capital it is guarantees (same as the Fed circle jerk)

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:02 | 1092235 Lord Welligton
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They could increase "it" to 440 Trillion. Same thing.

It is money from thin air.

They will lend it to DBank et al @ 1% would will then "lend" it to us at 7%.

Banking problem solved by taxing Sovereigns to pay banks.

A simple and straightforward transfer of future economic effort from the people to the banks.


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:18 | 1092333 BigJim
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Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:27 | 1092371 Lord Welligton
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Succinct BigJim.

Like it.

Of course for "Banks" use "Plutocrats".

The banks are just a vehicle and will be ditched when the time is right.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:20 | 1091977 Bleeping Fed
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Buy The Fricking Default!!!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:27 | 1092373 andybev01
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Beat The Fuckers Down!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:18 | 1093078 Fred Hayek
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Beggar thy feudal denizens

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:19 | 1091979 monkeyfaction
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The market just can't seem to parse so many large scale negative news events all happening at the same time so it has put its fingers in its ears and starting singing.

'la la la la I can't hear you black swans la la la'

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:21 | 1091988 Caviar Emptor
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There is no market

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:21 | 1091996 RobotTrader
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In all my trading experience, I've never seen a market shake off so much bad news.

Strongest tape I've seen since 1997 - 1999.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:24 | 1092009 Caviar Emptor
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Difference is that 97-99 had huge volume, huge inflows from funds and retail as well as foreign capital. There was big program trading. This rally has been typified by almost non-existent volume of which 60% is HFT. 

No real new money moving in to this market. 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:25 | 1092010 SheepDog-One
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Bens 'cntrl/print' fat finger is the strongest in recent memory!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:26 | 1092013 alien-IQ
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Are you using the word "strong" as a (poor) substitute for "manipulated" or "fraudulent" in order to make yourself feel better about your participation in it?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:28 | 1092037 SheepDog-One
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I dont believe he's participating in it at all.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:02 | 1092246 John Law Lives
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I believe the character, RoboTrader, exists to stir things up.  Same for Harry Wanger.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:27 | 1092019 ghostfaceinvestah
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Benocide printed another $7.5B today, on top of a very strong week last week.  I don't see what is so surprising about the market moves.

Now, what happens if he stops printing, that is another matter.  Let's see, what happened last spring...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:29 | 1092045 Caviar Emptor
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Another key difference with 1997-9: back then there was such a thing as RISK. Businesses could go under, investors could lose capital. This market is running under the assumption that there is no such risk because the Fed put would cover any major US corporation, capital markets, major financials and even investors and the unemployed. Heck even tsunamis and nuclear disasters are covered!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:30 | 1092050 InconvenientCou...
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almost like it's levitating from an invisible hand...

How much covert and overt manipulation do you need before you cease to have market discovery. (a.k.a. a market).

I'm not saying you can't trade it. You can watch a movie through a key hole butu you might miss the best part.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:32 | 1092060 Caviar Emptor
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Fed money printing makes it possible for the market to rise, the perception of no risk makes it impossible to drop

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:36 | 1092087 ghostfaceinvestah
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I am betting that once the money printing is done, even temporarily, even mild selloffs will turn into routs.  Where do you think the S&P would have ended up if QE lite and QE2 weren't announced last spring?  My guess is below 666.

Once market participants realize there is no longer an "invisible force" (i.e. printed money) supporting the market we will see panic selling daily.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:37 | 1092104 Caviar Emptor
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Yup. Last spring-summer's action is an indication of what happens with no free money streaming in. The perception of no risk has increased a bit since then based on the Japan bailout of their stock market

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:42 | 1092127 tmosley
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The hand is very visible. 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:26 | 1092364 Hotspur
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You can also watch it through a glory hole, but at some pont before the curtain comes up, you're going to get jizzed on.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:52 | 1092173 LostWages
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Nothing scares the Bernank (except deflation).  One trick pony.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:29 | 1092598 gwar5
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That's how you know it's a fake market.

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