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Power Blackouts And Water Shortages Threaten Florida
Some bad news for our Tampa Bay/Mons Venus-based (yes, they do have WiFi) readers: globalresearch.ca notes that Florida "faces severe fresh water shortages and power blackouts if the thick crude oil from the Deepwater Horizon disaster clogs sea water intakes at the largest seawater desalinisation plant in the United States -- the Tampa Bay Seawater Desalinisation Plant at Apollo Beach in Tampa, Florida." And some even worse news for America's purported democratic/free speech regime: "The Obama administration has taken a page from the government of Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev and Chernobyl in censoring the bad news from the Gulf oil mega-disaster. The Chernobyl cover-up largely resulted in the hastening of glasnost and the ultimate collapse of the Soviet Union."
From Globalresearch.ca
nformed emergency planning sources in Florida have informed WMR that the state faces severe fresh water shortages and power blackouts if the thick crude oil from the Deepwater Horizon disaster clogs sea water intakes at the largest seawater desalinisation plant in the United States -- the Tampa Bay Seawater Desalinisation Plant at Apollo Beach in Tampa, Florida.
The plant, which uses seawater reverse osmosis to turn seawater into 16 to 19 million gallons of drinking water daily for residents of the Tampa Bay area, faces the threat of filtration membranes becoming clogged if oil from the Gulf of Mexico enters its intake pipes. Such an event would render the plant unable to process seawater, resulting in a major fresh water shortage for the Tampa Bay.
Similarly, oil clogging the water cooling intakes at the Crystal River Nuclear Power Plant on the Gulf of Mexico coast, some 80 miles north of Tampa, could force the shutdown of the Unit 3 pressurized water nuclear reactor. Such an event would result in power shutdowns in the Florida areas served by the power plant.
The Obama administration has taken a page from the government of Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev and Chernobyl in censoring the bad news from the Gulf oil mega-disaster. The Chernobyl cover-up largely resulted in the hastening of glasnost and the ultimate collapse of the Soviet Union.
All that is needed is the US government to now take charge of this fiasco. Unfortunately, it appears this will happen quite soon.
h/t John
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I'm guessing the Obama administration isn't the first to use Gorbachovian methods. Disturbing development all the same.
The website collects every unconfirmed conspiracy theory and makes them easily and convienently accessible for the nutters who are wired that way. Make up something about a minisub observing the cleanup and post it somewhere. Unnamed sources in Washington DC confirm " . . BS of the Day . . ." It will show up there eventually.
If you do a news search you will see that many news organizations are complaining about the information lock down.
Well from your comments, it is quite apparent that your geographic location is no where near the Gulf.....so do me a favor and kindly go fuck yourself.
I mean sure, business as usual, we love the fucking status quo. Stock market's up, BP stock is up, Obama says seafood safe to eat.
Fuck it, I'm going surfing this afternoon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y3dmScvISI
Yawn. Another pissy, irrational poster from the Yahoo boards. The situation in the Gulf is tragic. Not once did I claim otherwise. Not once did I support the "business as usual" or the "status quo".
Have fun surfing this afternoon.
I will keep it short and Sweet, Popo FUCK OFF!
Oh you'll keep it "short and sweet"? Looks to me like you're incapable of forming a logical response.
Duhh.. fuck off... duhh. Uh huh...
Thank you for your contribution to the conversation.
popo, up your bucket! ZH is about life on the front lines.
Oooh.. "life on the front lines". That sounds so edgy. How's suburbia, MH?
Another non-response from another non-thinker.
Poop,
What is the probability of oil clogging the filters? You seem to think zero. That's funny. You. If ya didn't notice, Ty didn't write the piece, you piece.
I am in awe of the infantile attacks launched on anyone who calls bullshit on the constant "end of the world" crap on this site. Anyone who dares challenge a ridiculous statement (12k gold, imminent economic collapse, loss of drinking water to Florida...etc) is met with a storm of vitriol from a dozen unemployed college aged conspiracy theorists living in mommy's basement. I love half of the stuff on this site, the other half is straight conjecture and hyperbole.
A simple engineering solution would be to extend the pipes below the water line sufficiently far to ensure that surface water is not drawn in. Problem solved...no collapse of capitalism.
Awaiting junking and ad hominem attacks.
Whizbang = dumbshit
Corexit has pushed most of oil down into the water.
You forgot space aliens.
thank you for proving my point. I would love to see the engineering analysis you have prepared proving your hypothesis. Oh, don't have one huh? What a shame.
Have you even been watching the news? At all?
Perhaps you may wish to reconsider.
Normally I don't like to post long articles... and I am trying to keep this one as short as possible by posting only the relevant information. This comes from someone in the know at theoildrum.com. There is more if you wish to see it from the June 13th article.
Enjoy Mr. Happypants!
What is likely to happen now?
Well...none of what is likely to happen is good, in fact...it's about as bad as it gets. I am convinced the erosion and compromising of the entire system is accelerating and attacking more key structural areas of the well, the blow out preventer and surrounding strata holding it all up and together. This is evidenced by the tilt of the blow out preventer and the erosion which has exposed the well head connection. What eventually will happen is that the blow out preventer will literally tip over if they do not run supports to it as the currents push on it. I suspect they will run those supports as cables tied to anchors very soon, if they don't, they are inviting disaster that much sooner.
Eventually even that will be futile as the well casings cannot support the weight of the massive system above with out the cement bond to the earth and that bond is being eroded away. When enough is eroded away the casings will buckle and the BOP will collapse the well. If and when you begin to see oil and gas coming up around the well area from under the BOP? or the area around the well head connection and casing sinking more and more rapidly? ...it won't be too long after that the entire system fails. BP must be aware of this, they are mapping the sea floor sonically and that is not a mere exercise. Our Gov't must be well aware too, they just are not telling us.
All of these things lead to only one place, a fully wide open well bore directly to the oil deposit...after that, it goes into the realm of "the worst things you can think of" The well may come completely apart as the inner liners fail. There is still a very long drill string in the well, that could literally come flying out...as I said...all the worst things you can think of are a possibility, but the very least damaging outcome as bad as it is, is that we are stuck with a wide open gusher blowing out 150,000 barrels a day of raw oil or more. There isn't any "cap dome" or any other suck fixer device on earth that exists or could be built that will stop it from gushing out and doing more and more damage to the gulf. While at the same time also doing more damage to the well, making the chance of halting it with a kill from the bottom up less and less likely to work, which as it stands now?....is the only real chance we have left to stop it all.
It's a race now...a race to drill the relief wells and take our last chance at killing this monster before the whole weakened, wore out, blown out, leaking and failing system gives up it's last gasp in a horrific crescendo.
We are not even 2 months into it, barely half way by even optimistic estimates. The damage done by the leaked oil now is virtually immeasurable already and it will not get better, it can only get worse. No matter how much they can collect, there will still be thousands and thousands of gallons leaking out every minute, every hour of every day. We have 2 months left before the relief wells are even near in position and set up to take a kill shot and that is being optimistic as I said.
Over the next 2 months the mechanical situation also cannot improve, it can only get worse, getting better is an impossibility. While they may make some gains on collecting the leaked oil, the structural situation cannot heal itself. It will continue to erode and flow out more oil and eventually the inevitable collapse which cannot be stopped will happen. It is only a simple matter of who can "get there first"...us or the well.
We can only hope the race against that eventuality is one we can win, but my assessment I am sad to say is that we will not.
I have been one of the greatest (and most vocal) proponents on ZH that there is an information restriction put in place over the leak. I have also shared rumors I have heard in D.C. claiming that the u.s. navy is monitoring the leak, because the feds don't trust BP any more than I do. I have been describing the oil release as a "volcano" for over a month. I am just sick of the hyperbole, outrageous claims, and the way a question mark is often used to justify making a conjecture into a news story. I agree that the gulf is fucked, but I don't think it's appropriate to try to pass off misinformation as real news.
Perhaps I over-reacted Whizbang... my apologies Big Guy... let me offer my thoughts...
Cats and dogs fight. Old news. Besides, you called him happypants, not exactly very ugly.
BTW, you are more optimistic than I am. NOLA is reporting toxic air clouds, one day the toxins read a smidge over 40 (the highest safe number) the next day almost 1200, the next day like 46, the next day 1100. I posted the link last night and can't find it. We haven't seen all that is coming out of this yet.
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGxGVGiD3yk
That would be part of the "you ain't seen nothing yet" part.
Localized air health effects could cause deaths to the elderly and perhaps increased cancer rates among the general population... expect the administration to deny or suppress those reports.
If she blows before she fizzles out or is sealed (long shot for the foreseeable future...) get the people the hell away from there. Seriously.
Rule of thumb to those living in the gulf:
If you can smell any petroleum (or even hydrogen sulphide rotten eggs...) smell?
Leave... it's already in the PPM (parts per million) zone. Short and long term exposure limits are listed in the OSHA safety standards for industry. Check them out... I hear many of those who are working on the clean-up are already getting ill.
Most folks too poor to move ZO. Perhaps we shouldn't tear down all those homes in Detroit quite yet. but these folks are going to need financial assistance to move.
My sincere condolances to those who live alongside the Gulf.
From Katrina and Bush to Obama and BP... I think I would have snapped and gone psycho already... that Cajun blood sure is strong stuff... but how many times can you kick someone in the nuts before they strike back.
I used to live outside of Detroit for a year. It wasn't funny. We have some largish RE holdings there right now.
Yup fill the homes with people (you can buy them for a couple bucks) create a free trade zone with no taxes for manufacturers to bring some jobs (and dignity) back to the region.
Congress has done it for foreign territories (and to line their own pockets) so why the fu%& not for Americans?
Or hand the city over to Canada in a 100 year lease arrangement. Things would improve.
All due respect. Won't the deaths of the elderly and the higher cancer rates lower the financial pressures on the Social Security and the "health care" systems long term? Wouldn't "end of life counseling" in the health reform law draw down the political blow- back?
Only if they die quickly and inexpensively... I think the same argument was made in favor of smoking and driving while drunk!
Whizbang = dumbshit
Let's take a look at his one post on this story:
Most vocal? What a dumbshit. Did I call Whizbang a dumbshit? Yes, a dumbshit and a fucking liar troll.
We should examine and critique and perhaps even attack ideas here WW... preferably not people who hold opposing (however ill thought out) views!
ZH is an education in progress for me.
Heck... I say stupid things often too here's one of many...
I can think of a couple of things on this BP fiasco I'd love to take back... Christ I actually believed the Government (Obama) was telling the truth about the spill being 5,000 barrels for a while. I couldn't find anything credible and contrary on the net the first few weeks. Based on that info I recommended no short on BP.
I'm a fucking idiot for believing the goddamn government is what I am... amongst other reasons that is! :)
You are my kind of idiot. Open. Don't typically take things too personally. You'd be a good neighbor. Water Wings is frustrated. I go in and out of it myself. Love is the plan, the plan is death (James Triptree Jr.)
Guys... THIS is how you get laid by the really hot chicks!
(Please take notes!)
OK, OK, me too! I believed them too!
Hows that - do I score?
Seriously though - how was anybody outside of BP really going to be able to determine the size of the leak? Remember, they are the only ones with enough magic to have a camera at that depth, so we only know what they show us!
Ya... I don't know. If this where my country to run I think I'd get an independant second opinion from my own guys sometime during the first oh say 6 weeks or so... especially in light of the media attention and potential bad carreer destroying PR.
You? :)
Zero you are ONE extremely smart guy but I think you are underestimating a bit.
End of the world? No but this is going to really really really hurt
Years of messy beaches? There will be too many sick hungry people to go so who cares.
Death of life in the Gulf forever? Nope. The basic eco system will spring back extremely fast but what we use it for lobster, shrimp etc won't come back for a generation or two.
A decade of lost fisheries within a 200 miles radius. Think in reverse Fishing other spots and programs trying to learn factors in transplanting.
Worse case scenario. Something about the pipe deep down causes the rushing oil to set up a nasty cavitation process. It ruptures into the bedrock at say 5000 feet down. This whole setups a cavitation site further up the pipe wich ruptures a hole into less solid bedrock. That erodes out a side channel which sets up even further laminar flow. The oil slows down but comes out in very destructive curly vortex flows. This causes pressure differntials on the pipe walls and strain formations which start disassembling the pipe and spitting it out. The well head collapses sealing off the flow a little bit which seems good. The first releif well misses. The second relief well misses. They decide to nuke anyway in a desperate attempt to seal it off. It doesn't seal completely. Sets up a delayed erosion pattern that a year from now rips into the upper portion of the collapsed well head. It starts leaking thousands of gallons from a half square mile area in dozens of spots. It continues to collapse in on itself and seal itself off partially then one day millions of gallons of sea water disappear out of the gulf and millions of gallons of crude oil come gushing up through a couple square miles of sea floor.
The above scenario is not very likely. It could go down that way. Here's a simple scenario with much much more devestating results. BP continues dumping tons and tons of dispersant in the oil in an effort to hide it, keep it from reaching surface and looking as bad as it is. The dispersant gets soaked up into the rain water and reaches 2.6 parts per million toxic levels even AFTER it rains. That destroys all farming on over half of the US people starve. A massive fraction of our fresh water supply is brought in from the gulf through the vaporization engine. If the gulf stream keeps in a low latitude run we lose enough food production to cause massive problems. If it stays up north we lose way too much farm production and we are in serious freaking trouble. If it effects corn feed stocks everything is trouble from pigs to chickens to cows. Grazing lands are usually not lawns and consist of huge varieties of weeds and grasses but if the most nutritious varietes are affected the most and corn feed is down....
You could also step off of a curb and get hit by a car tomorrow. Possible? Yes. Likely to happen? No. Why don't we wait until the relief wells are declared a failure in the fall before we speculate like this.
Look. They dump corexit on the oil for one reason and one reason only. To make it somewhat safer to work on the surface. Without the corexit there's a LOT more noxious gasses at surface and a lot more dangerous flamable liquids. It doesn't help anything other than the safety of people working on fixing it. It's going to make it safer to work on the well and it's probably going to kill hundreds of thousands of people by using it through destruction to the eco system.
Likely doesn't matter. BP will trade risk to hundreds of thousands of people for safety for a few thousand just as damn sure as the banking system will trade risk from a few institutions onto millions of tax payers. So it's nice of you to be able to shrug and say this is going to be alright. The best case scenario won't be pretty and the best case scenario won't be what we get.
I agree with your assessment Hephasteus but microbial activity (bioremediation) in warm climates works fast. Nature will clean this up once the spill is sealed... which admittedly may take years. I am even reconsidering my initial opposition to the use of a nuclear weapon... it is a very risky proposition.
We could have a dead Gulf by the fall for all intents and purposes... but life will return in time and with some effort. The human toll will of course will be unfathomable.
The corexit 9500 is deodorized kerosine and was used to break the oil up into tiny droplets (make it undetectable to the eye...) and to keep in on the bottom where it cannot be seen. (For civil litigation liability advantage purposes). It will make things much worse for life in the waters... but should assist in speeding up the eventual recovery. That stated I would rather see the oil on the beaches but the effect on our industries and economy would necessarily be greater.
I was addressing the end-of-the-world 2012ers mostly my friend. I don't want people to freak out like some are but yes I know how serious the situation is and it WILL get much worse. We may have to evacuate coastal areas in the not-to distant future if the casings blow out and the well collapses in toto.
I just hate to see people live in fear... fear has very debilitating effect. I do wish to see them be justifiably angry however or things will never change.
Make no mistake... hundreds and perhaps thousands will die from the indirect effects that will not show up in civil courts or official body counts. I am thinking primarily those who live in the area with a special emphasis on the young and elderly. Hydrocarbon contamination of the air will be the primary cause.
It is a nightmare of epic proportions but it is NOT the end of the world IMHO!
That said... I've beeen known to be wrong before!
I agree with you on the microbial remediation blessings. The thing that worries me the mos at this point is the corexit. We have had such huge problems with funky weather patterns and all it takes is some sort of freak heat engine combination that brings a bunch of the corexit onto land in toxic amounts. Grocery stores go from being light on seafood to heavy on meat and big shortages on vegetables. Couple it with a global currency breakdown and america being forced to pay gold for food when it has little left.
I'm not going to sit here and entertain unreasonable things like 600 dollar packages of french fries or anything. But I will entertain progression of 20 percent of the population taking the brunt of this misery to suddenly 40 percent being under the hammer with the upper class being so brutally selfish as to even stop worrying about them. We could literally have 200 to 250 million people in harm's way in us canada and mexico by end of august.
Absolutely... but the same goes for surface oil. The lighter fractions floating on the surface will become airborne and precipitate out inland in the rain all through the Mississippi and Ohio valley coridors when a storm system sweeps in.
I am sure this is happening already in the PPB range. More oil on the surface = more hydrocarbons in the rain. It's tha simple... which is why the administration continued to allow the use of Corexit over Dispersit a soap based dispersant that would not prohibit the oil from reaching the surface.
Out of sight out of mind meets both parties objectives. And public safety as well. I thought the same way as you originally but I have since changed my mind.
These things happen frequently to me!
You are not far off the mark my friend... we are basically in agreement.
Read my post just a little above.
It is the worst environmental disaster this country is likely to ever see. And it has not begun to start in earnest yet.
My point is that the world will NOT end. Plain and simple. But they way things have always been for this region is soon to become a distant memory... that is a fact.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967
Maybe you could tell the secret you've been holding out on them.
Ha!!! I beat you by minutes... then edited.
This is the same article from which my posted exerpt was taken. It contains a link through to the entire drilling process. A must read for those even only slightly curious as to what is going on the the Gulf of Mexico.
That said... there is one possible other saviour to this situation... namely we can hope that the reservoir pressures (and flows) decrease over time before complete failure occurs.
Yep. I get lost in the computer looking for where is it in here somewhere.
Found it and post and in that time there are other posts.
Very scary what he runs down, and I just don't see best case scenarios.
Wish it wasn't so but most hopeee is fading for me.
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Thanks for the effort Whizbang, but as you can see, my original comment has been junked out of existence.
All I did was challenge the premise of this article on logical grounds. There was no ranting, no name-calling, no hyperbole. I got junked, trashed and insulted by a bunch of conspiracist losers -- none of whom made a logical rebuttal to my post.
ZH's policy of allowing the rabid junkers to rule the comments section, while stripping the junked posts means one thing: The quality of ZH comments will and must consistently plunge to the level of the lowest common denominator. (How's that for doom and gloom?)
It's a sad day for ZH.
Your own post defied logic. That's why you got junked. And it was also a strawman. That doesn't make sense to you?
A collapse of Florida's economy which is fueled by tourism and retirement is more like it. Our unemployment rate is around 12% and the housing crisis is horendous, and this is just fuel to the fire. My perspective from Florida pretty much mirrors the (article), so I guess its the readers perspective that validates the content.
edit, I meant the article, not popos post
I guess a few more hurricaines are next. this mess is going to really hurt fla and the rest of the gulf states.
Here, Here! What's a little oil hitting Tampa to do with money/financials/economics? You're my hero, Bonzo.
Carnac nmewn says, the envelope please.
May the coming hurricanes suck up copius amounts of oil from the gulf and hold their breath until over your neighborhood.
It's a big Internet.
Why spend time on a board of which you have such a low opinion?
Are you saying this is a conspiracy to publish conspiracies?
Time to give Florida back to the Native Americans.
"Native" Floridians...sounds good to me...can I get that in a contract?
Fuck that! Can I get that with a carrier group?
*mumbles* Contract my ass...
So this is the Black Swan event that brought down civilization??
No. Black Pelican, or Black Flamingo is you prefer.
Am I the only one who finds humor in the fact that the state bird of Louisiana is the Brown pelican
Will you think Florida follow suit with the Brown flamingo!
Just a question - are there any pelicans that are not brown?
Here at work someone was trying to tell me that we have a white pelican in our reservoir. I explained to him what a stork is.
I didn't know myself so I just checked!
Yup white pelicans!
http://www.awhitetexaspelican.com/images/local_wild_life/white_pelican.jpg
Oily swan event
In my view, the Gulf of Mexico Oil Volcano is a game changer, and not only for the USA and Mexico. I invest in many oil and gas projects, and I have had the opportunity to review material not shared with the general public. As per their commentary, off the record, their are deeply frightened by the sheer scope of this disaster, and are angry over the slow response (surprise!) of the federal government. Even if we were to stopper the oil volcano, today, the remaining crude oil and byproducts will destroy the eco system of the northern gulf, likely for decades. Anyone owning a home on the gulf will see property values drop to almost zero given the concommitant health hazards of exposure to carcinogens.
Further, I visit Florida monthly to see family and attend to professional matters. The level of fear in Tampa and surrounding areas is almost tangible. I have never experienced anything like it except during my sojourn in a country in the midst of an active revolution.
I never thought I would agree with James Carville on anything, but the Gulf is being invaded by an enemy far more dangerous than any foreign army. An entire major region of the US will be destroyed before our eyes if this volcano is not capped, NOW.
Personally, I will be saying many prayers for the best wishes of the GOM residents and wildlife.
Greetings from Tampa....Yeah, the mood is getting tense around here concerning the oil, just this morning we have reports of spotted oil ribbons approximately 4-5 miles off of Pasa Grille in Pinellas county.
Rumor around the campfire had been that the nuclear reactor plant near Crystal River was in jeopardy...that was per Gainesville radio. http://www.am850.com/index.php?id=3045
In any event, the next 30 days will be critical, however, my intuition tells me that this could be a game changer.
Thanks for the view. Good luck to you and yours.
I pretty much grew up on the grill...is Shadracks still open?
The Hurricane.
Ahhh...yes.
I liked it better when they were one block north in the little bitty place...no air conditioning just basically a large room with nothing but windows and the grouper sandwiches were a hell of alot better.
I was sent a link this morning to a research paper from the site listed above. By the time I could click on it, the content had disappeared.
This is NOT A COINCIDENCE. The gulf news is so bad and horrific, it is being censored.
Individuals are reasonable... I don't think we can say that about the masses. Perhaps, censorship is a good thing sometimes.... just sometimes...
I can already see the replies of hate coming my way..
Hate
IMO you are dead wrong. People need to wake up to what is happening in their own backyards to sugar coat/censor any of this is a crime and people will be pushed to internet sites with " extreme" views when reality and what is reported don't match up . That is much more dangerous for the masses than the MSM reporting the truth.
Ignorance is Strength!
I can see that the 'septic shock" has attacked your moral center.
It is sickening to me to see how the apologists for high-level corruption and criminality continue to ply the lie that somehow the truth is to be avoided or suppressed. The truth is NEVER the enemy! It is falsehoods and coverups that are the mark of an increasingly tyrranical regime. I am insulted by your insinuation that the truth is better suppressed. Quislings have no right to lecture anyone on public ethics.
I agree with you. This poster is so scared, he/she has lost their way.
Malthusian Bitchesssss!!!
You are as wrong as hate on this one.
They can't stop it once everyone in the Gulf starts twittering it and youtubing cellphone vids.
The truth WILL out and when it does, the backlash will be a bitch. And directed straight at Bama.
I don't know if the truth WILL out unless 5-10X the current rate of OIL will out.
And this just may happen before the relief wells are finished later this fall.
In the meantime DO NOT... I repeat DO NOT look at this footage of what is clearly NOT oil seeping out from the seabed away from the well.
BP and Obama may charge you with being anti-patriotic if you do.
Believe the LIE... please!... it's for your own benefit.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdo0f9_videos-of-oil-leaking-thru-crack...
(Same video footage as posted before...)
More info on the other then bop leaks.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967
Very scary if accurate.
It's accurate.
It's now a race to drill those relief wells or hope the oil flow naturally ebbs. I was reading that BP (I think) was suffering from low production numbers from it's Thunderhorse wells... hopefully we run out of oil soon here as well.
More likely a copyright violation.
See for yourself...
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19730
it is now showing "report not available", but report numbers above and below that one are still working....hmmmmmm.
More disturbing is that he link was sent to me by a friend who described it as "armageddon". He'd read it before it was taken down but didn't save or print it.
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19575
Please do not hyperventilate. Article is still up.
Wrongo, Dopey, that's not the article to which I was referring. You simply linked the same article Tyler mentioned.
Now, get back to your hyperventilation.
Here is the article :
http://thecomingdepression.blogspot.com/2010/06/what-us-scientists-are-f...
There's a lot of these armageddon articles around, seems like it has become an industry
Hey Turd was that the article with the air quality dangers ? I read it this morning there and now it appears gone . Lets see , cancer , baby deformations respitory problems liver and kidney damage . It was a pretty scary article that quoted the EPA air quality reports
Yep, that sounds right.
It was all about what scientists have been forbidden to tell the public.
here it is it wasnt what I thought -
SUMMARY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING
The estimated super high pressure release of oil from under the earth's crust is between 80,000 to 100,000 barrels per day. The flow of oil and toxic gases is bringing up with it. rocks and sand which causes the flow to create a sandblasting effect on the remaining well head device currently somewhat restricting the flow, as well as the drilled hole itself.
As the well head becomes worn it enlarges the passageway allowing an ever-increasing flow. Even if some device could be placed onto the existing wellhead, it would not be able to shut off the flow, because what remains of the existing wellhead would not be able to contain the pressure.
The well head piping is originally about 2 inches thick. It is now likely to be less than 1 inch thick, and thinning by each passing moment. The oil has now reached the Gulf Stream and is entering the Oceanic current which is at least four times stronger than the current in the Gulf, which will carry it throughout the world within 18 months..
The oil along with the gasses, including benzene and many other toxins, is deleting the oxygen in the water. This is killing all life in the ocean. Along with the oil along the shores, there will be many dead fish, etc. that will have to be gathered and disposed of.
SUMMARY OF EXPECTATIONS
At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself beneath the wellhead to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon. The intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole allowing a direct unrestricted flow of oil, etc.. The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.
This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more. The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.
The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80 feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole. Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown number of years. [End of scientists information release]
At least now we know what the worst-case scenario is.
It's way too extreme if you ask me... crazy actually and factually incorrect in many ways including the reservoir oil temps... which are on record only 180 degress.
I can't imagine the entire reservoir blowing out through one location despite the high porosity of the reservoir and the loosely consolidated seds at the top... thats why they drill multiple production wells to manage reservoir pressure differentials to get at more of the oil. Else only one well only would be required for each reservoir formation... think about it.
See the wells every couple miles in the distance? Saudi Ghawar I believe.
http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/ear...
Too extreme, yes. This article loses ALL credibility based on simple junior high science. The temperature at which water boils, or "vaporizes", increases along with pressure. In the area of the blow-out-preventer, some 5,000 feet beneath sea level, the pressure is approximately 2200 psi. The oil, supposedly, is another 10,000 to 15,000 beneath the sea floor, at roughly 8,000 psi. Me thinks the boiling point of water would be far beyond 400 degrees F. But, then again, I did go to a public school!!!!!!
"including the reservoir oil temps... which are on record only 180 degress."
Is that 180 degrees the actual measured temperature of the oil itself (in the reservoir), or is that the temp of the escaping oil/gas mix?
In South Texas there are deep gas wells that emit incredibly hot product! They have enormous air/tube coolers to lower the temp enough to get the product to be scrubbed (dried) and pumped to the gathering lines.
It is possible that the exiting mixture is much, much cooler than the prodcut at-depth.
Remember: P1 X T1 = P2 X T2
V2 V1
Pressure is directly proportional to temperature (as T goes up, P does too, and vice versa) while indirectly proportional to volume. As volume decreases, pressure rises, and so does temperature. So, as a hot gas under pressure decompresses, its temperature drops (refrigeration effect).
It's based on a the temperature gradient... the deeper you go the hotter it gets.
Too deep and the oil can't exist due to the temps and all you will find is natural gas due to natural thermal 'cracking'.
there is good info at theoildrum.com on this. Or google geothermal temperature gradient.
Facts such as these and more have been discussed for weeks now by oil industry folks who know what they are talking about at theoildrum.com. They also have discussed rumors and facts about evacuation plans being created. They even linked to news reports about Tampa dusting off it's plans to evacuate the city if necessary.
Reliable info is available from responsible folks. If you know who they are and know where to find them.
Sounds like something I might see on the SyFy channel ... so where is Pierce Brosnan to save us?
HorseofPaulRevere — June 14, 2010 — BP Oil Spill:Toxic Gases Spreading Inland, Scientist Says Move Out of Gulf...EVACUATIONS OF THE GULF REGION ARE ...
HorseofPaulRevere — June 14, 2010 — BP Oil Spill:Toxic Gases Spreading Inland, Scientist Says Move Out of Gulf...EVACUATIONS OF THE GULF REGION ARE COMING, FEMA WILL OPEN ITS ONE-WAY DOORS.
Gases such as Hydrogen Sulfide, Benzene, Methylene Chloride, and other toxic gases pose a greater risk to human health than the presence of oil washing up on Gulf of Mexico beaches. The allowable levels of Hydrogen Sulfide and Benzene according to the EPA are 5-10 parts per billion and 0 respectively.The EPA reported the level detected in the Gulf at almost 1,200 PPB for hydrogen sulfide and 3400 PPB for Benzene during the month of May. The amounts pose a serious and even fatal health risk to people and animals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGxGVGiD3yk
Might be a good time to short oxygen, or maybe put all the beans in oxygen supply companies. Hmmmm.
Chernobyl cover up hastened glasnost? Really?
I always thought that the fall in crude from $36 to $18/bbl and the subsequent loss of 50% of the USSR's oil-sourced hard currency was the catalyst....
Wrong on both counts.
USSR oil supply peaked in 1989. They could therefore, no longer maintain growth.
The collapse of the USSR coincided with their production peak, how ironic.
<sarcasm off>
Reuters: "Lawmakers to oil execs: Your disaster plans are worthless."
Oh REALLY, you fuckin lawmakers??? WTF are YOURS THEN.
If the Congress ACTUALLY believes that they are going to score points off this, they're sorely mistaken. Ppl aren't falling for the faux outrage after TARP
You hear this called "Obama's Katrina. " For the longest time, I thought it was actually "Obama's Chernobyl," but now I realize it is actually his Iranian Hostage Crisis. This is why they appear to be in collusion with BP in suppressing news/research.
He can't just say the truth, which is that, until this is cleaned up, no one's going to buy a piece of real estate anywhere along the gulf, spend a vacation there, trust a piece of seafood. We're talking about the US's 4th largest economy, where the largest share of revenue comes from tourism.
Good analogy. It is and will continue to be an ongoing disaster, and since there's no easy fix, it will continue to make him look bad in the eyes of J6P.
Has anyone calculated how much oil Obama is using flying back and forth to the gulf in a 747 every week?
How about Obama's Standard Oil.
Hmmmmm the Mons Venus, I seem to remember an afternoon at the Odessy2000 many years ago that wrecked my car. I always planned on moving back one day and even had a place all picked out a year ago. maybe things do happen for a reason. Tampa Bay has come back from shrimping, the skyway disaster, the time the the phosphate dam at Riverview leaked. It may come back from this at the mouth but if it gets up past the Howard franklin bridge, it will be years of tears.
I prefer the mons pubis.
The Trap.
The Office Lounge on 34th Street. 19 through Clearwater had a bunch of them.
They probably do not exist by those names any more.
Up past the Howard Frankenstein, what a nightmare.
I am just sick about what is happening to my birth place (St.Pete). I am calling family telling them to come to my home if needed. When that happens, my depression will begin in earnest. :/ Only hope I live far enough away to be clear of it all.
Well I'll be damned.
I was born there as well...the hospital was called Mound Park Hospital back then...small world. Hung out at Crescent Lake at the banyon tree...fished off the granite blocks protecting the marina harbor and on the pier...good times.
And the Office Lounge... ;-)
SPHS. Green Devil.
Me too.
Do you remember the shark we put in NE High's swimming pool?
I remember a story like that.
I would have been class of 82. I left early to go to SPJC.
+1 the banyon tree.......... and the alligators in the drain pipe. Lived the 1700 block of 29th ave for 10 years. Owned a vinyl siding company. Saw johns pass grow vertical. Memories.
Very cool.
Yeah we had good times there...alligators...I remember ole Humpy the gator, someone threw a block at him and I guess fractured his back so I was told...he was a recognizable fixture when I was growing up there.
Had a ball after rainstorms too...we used to go to the twin pipes down by the tennis courts and do the spread leg march up into them...lay down and let the current sling me out into the lake...LOL...not too many cuts and abrasions, but we had a blast.
Back on topic...I thought this was on target;
"DESTIN — Okaloosa County isn’t taking oil spill orders any more.
County commissioners voted unanimously to give their emergency management team the power to take whatever action it deems necessary to prevent oil from the Deepwater Horizon spill from entering Choctawhatchee Bay through the East Pass."
http://www.thedestinlog.com/news/pass-30005-nwfdn-command-plans.html
Tired of speeches...Crackers Unite Baby!
ALL RIGHT!!
There is so much to this:
1. The rebirth of localization because the Fed can't and won't help you.
2. Wouldn't it be a trip to see some of these states leave the union.
3. Set an example for others to do the same.
A girl can dream.
I worked in the panhandle for awhile. These are "real" people IMO. They are honest, hard working, salt of the earth types...slow to anger but when they get mad you can't "turn them off". They are very much into localization. I was kinda suprised that Jindal over in Loiusiana didn't just start bulldozing berms without waiting on Fed authorization.
It sounds like you were around six-eight years behind me at SPHS. The shark was dropped in NEHigh's pool after they snuck onto our campus one night and threw a gallon of red paint on a wall on the back of our school that had a painting of the green devil. If I recall correctly there was a little envy involved in our retribution as they had just installed a swimming pool and we didn't have a pool. I was a freshman at the time.
Take care.
Frick.
We need to go stock up on some more water. We've got rain barrels and a Berkey, but I don't know how that would work with oil rain.
I suppose it's time to bite the bullet and build the solar generator too.
Solar generator and an EcoloBlue 30. It gets the water from the humidity in the air and filters it. Great for FL, not so hot here in AZ. 10 gallons of water a day though.
http://www.ecoloblue.com/ecoloblue30
Air Conditioning units produce distilled water folks...just catch the condensed water that drains outside.
I love the smell of Legionnaires in the morning.
French?
Not on the first date!
+1000
Brilliant retort!
- do you owe Hulk a BJ...
Besides the obvious fact of me being a heterosexual critter... he may find those nasty little sharp needles in my mouth a little too 'stimulating' if you catch my drift. Plus I think Hulkster is more of an assman... and my ass is NOT for sale! :)
And that scratchy tongue!
Pass me a fur ball ZO! Legman here...
Ack!... Pfbt!!!
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia...
Rusty, do i rub it or wait for the power to come on? dontaskthesheep.gone
-would've been a comedian.
How long before Obama dispatches a fresh platoon of lawyers down there to proscecute water hoarding and any bottled water transactions through non-ACORN distribution sites?
Problem solved!
Said lawyers would disappear without a trace...
Hmm, this might solve many problems at once.
Put ACORN in charge of the spill.
GOOD NEWS.
Less Electricty used means less energy imports, which should reduce Current Account deficits (short term at least). It's the suffering some of us must pay. Ask not how your government can fuck you over, ask only how you may learn to take it best.
Orlov has been saying is is our Chernobyl from the beginning.
Just want to say that the mention of Mons Venus brought back many memories of voluptuous tits and ass watching and more....
Just want to say that the mention of Mons Venus brought back many memories of voluptuous tits and ass watching and more....
Mercury LOL
Obama's answer to all crisises - censorship and send in more lawyers
And people wonder why we don't produce anything anymore.
More lawyers, more lawyers....
In snows bullshit in oil country.
Nevermind
The bugs (gamma 'something' bacteria) will eat the oil. Those will be some fat bugs here shortly ... meanwhile the frenzy will continue until the predicted Armageddon has occured.
Never let a good crisis go to waste. -Rahm Emmanuel
Ick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGX7krQYI_4
Glad I am parked up here near the largest concentration of fresh water in the world. Well until they decide to drill in the Great Lakes, and fuck that up.
I hope the canucks are better at the drilling thing then the brits:
http://www.petoskeynews.com/news/article_e75e0988-6f19-11df-9243-001cc4c03286.html
They poluted those lakes badly during the first half the 20th century. Luckily most of it was dioxins with paper bleaching. Which is deadly to all kinds of animals and plants but doesn't harm humans very much.
BP refinery threatens Great Lakes ecosystem (The Michigan Messenger, May 25 2010)
... in 2007 as part of the plant’s expansion project, the state of Indiana granted a permit to the company that would allow it to substantially increase its pollution of Lake Michigan, which is the drinking water supply for neighboring Chicago and many other communities.
If it's any consolation, firstdivision, they don't drill there. They just process Canadian tar sand output & dump stuff in the lake.
After a careful review by responsible state authorities, of course. However soreheads in other states objected, after which:
...BP publicly promised to abide by the terms of its earlier permit or cancel the expansion project.
...Nearly three years later, though, and with the expansion project 47 percent completed according the company’s website, BP has not made any announcements about how it will achieve these reductions.
http://michiganmessenger.com/38164/bp-refinery-threatens-great-lakes-ecosystem
"The Obama administration has taken a page from the government of Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev and Chernobyl in censoring the bad news from the Gulf oil mega-disaster. The Chernobyl cover-up largely resulted in the hastening of glasnost and the ultimate collapse of the Soviet Union."
Would that we be so fortunate.
If such a scenario takes place which forces the Crystal Rivers plant to shut down, what are the implications for shifting this electrical demand to nearby utilities as we roll into peak AC season? Rolling blackouts anyone...?
Chinese paper fans bitches
Dead elderly people bitches. Invest in mortuaries.
Crystal River complex has five power generating stations there. Unit 3 is nuclear, while the other four are conventionally fired. Units 4 and 5 have large cooling towers that would shield them from the oily mess for awhile, but the need makeup water on a daily basis to account for evaporation. All water cooled power generating stations would be affected - not just nuclear. Don't forget about Turkey Point to the south - they will be dealing with this soon enough.
Gulf Coast States should have been evacuated immediately.
Not if your goal is to eliminate 2/3 of earth's population. All nation/states must do their part based on population at the last census. Oh-Oh.