Presenting The ECB's Own Reflections On A Member Country's "Withdrawal And Expulsion From The EU and EMU"

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Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:03 | 1470208 ratso
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As I predicted a short while back.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:05 | 1470219 PaperBear
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So the Greeks are slaves to their European Union masters, is that it ?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:41 | 1470400 PaperBugsBurn
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Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:58 | 1470499 ratso
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No, the Greeks lied their way into the EMU with the help of Goldman Sachs and then sold bonds they knew they couldn't repay and used that money to give themselves a standard of living that they hadn't earned.  It's time for them to be held accountable.  The deserve to be kicked out of the EMU.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 13:28 | 1470896 Spitzer
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They will not be kicked out of the EU. They are lucky to be in. Not having monetary sovereignty is a good thing. Nothing destroys currencies faster then politicians who try to be central bankers. The EU has a more independent central bank then the US.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 13:40 | 1470972 ratso
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Right - they will not be kicked out of the EU just the EMU - The European Monetary Union - that is, the Euro Zone because they can't handle it responsibly and will not be able to do so in the foreseeable future.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 16:23 | 1471699 edotabin
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Once the money is issued locally, it will only reinforce what was happening all these years. This is a matter of mentality, not money.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 16:24 | 1471700 Spitzer
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Looking back at 2010 (just to get a full year's picture) the US ran a $500 billion goods and services deficit for the year. The Eurosystem (even with those lazy PIIGS) actually ran a trade surplus for the year, exporting more goods and services than it took in.

Of course there is a huge imbalance inside Europe between the states running a large surplus and those running a large deficit. But with a shared currency the adjustment pressure for such an imbalance is foisted elsewhere, not on the currency.

For the dollar, the structural deficit and debt of the US places a massive devaluation pressure directly on the dollar.

King Euro



Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:00 | 1470516 Ghordius
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It just means they can leave if they want while nobody can throw them out.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:11 | 1470257 sabra1
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but before you leave Greece, sign over all your assets to us, just in case you don't return!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:13 | 1470261 Hedgetard55
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So the EMU is sort of like the Hotel California, you can check in but you can never leave. Or a roach motel.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:14 | 1470267 molecool
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Exiting EMU still seems easier than quitting mt AT&T Wireless contract.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:36 | 1470364 Escapeclaws
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Try closing a PayPal account!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:49 | 1470444 TaxSlave
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Try closing a PayPal account!

Impossible.  Even if you close the bank account it was tied to.

That's how I got a flat forehead.  (Smack!  "WTF was I thinking?")

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:17 | 1470276 Zero Debt
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providing for the possibility of withdrawal might have increased its likelihood

This kind of statement makes it look like they weren't even confident that the benefits of the membership would be enough to retain the members.

Couldn't find a white paper on US secession to compare though.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:25 | 1470318 MobBarley
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sounds like the inner dialogue of a man about to get laid


Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:17 | 1470281 granolageek
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The Euro was carefully structured back in 1999 as "you can check in, but you can't check out.

As near as I can tell, the periphery thought they were nailing Germany, and Germany thought it was getting was turning the periphery into vassal states. I'm grinning at seeing they were both right.


Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:20 | 1470290 TruthInSunshine
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This is like getting suspended from school, whether intentionally or unintentionally.

Greece gets to play Xbox 360 all day for a long, long time now.

They may or may not be 'allowed to return' to the EU upon the expiration of the passage of some time, assuming that they want to and that the EU still exists at that point.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:19 | 1470292 MobBarley
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As part of the Greek European Austerity Expulsion Agreement,

the Parthenon and all Greek citizens will be relocated

to the Sinai peninsula. They will have 40 years to find a new home.

Good luck!


Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:18 | 1470293 Ignorance is bliss
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I am surprised Gold and Silver have not gone Parabolic on the news of a Greek default. If I were a European, I would be moving everything into Gold and Silver. Hell, I am from the U.S. and have already done that.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:25 | 1470320 SilverRhino
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The PM prices actions we are seeing is from the 1-2% of the population that is actually awake.   Just wait until 10% are awake?   Wild rides indeed.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:20 | 1470294 espirit
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So, do the PIIGS know that they have litigation possibilities should they be expelled from the EU/EMU?  Greece will try that one on.

This whole ordeal has the markings of an intricate false flag and/or subterfuge to cover the dollah's race to zero.  

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 13:43 | 1470997 Jonas Parker
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Ahhh! The European International Lawyer Full Employment Act of 2011! Wish I could invest in this one...

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:20 | 1470298 Oh regional Indian
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There is a weird rule in these occult circles, where you have to get the permission of your victim before screwing them.
Notice how much wag-the-dog type stuff has been revealed prior to action.

This is what this game feels like. Everywhere, with bombs or drones or torture, they are, in their own twisted minds, asking the question to the listening sheepublic; Can I screw you harder now?

Click to open. Ring a bell?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:22 | 1470307 TruthInSunshine
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By the way, does California, or for that matter, Texas (for different reasons), get to leave the United States/Estados Unidos, if even temporarily?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 13:51 | 1471017 Jonas Parker
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Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:28 | 1470329 monopoly
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How do you even make this stuff up. I could never do it. Miners in consolidation mode. Hey guys. Imagine if all that cash sitting in MM funds and bonds came out and went to the miners. They might even bring them up to real value. Wow, what a thought.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:30 | 1470337 monopoly
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ANF looks good here all. Those 17,000 poor souls losing their job at Borders and Cisco off to Abercrombie to buy new duds for job interviews.

How pathetic this country is.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:32 | 1470347 Seize Mars
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what bankruptcy court: Southern New York? Eastern Santorini? Upper Volta? Mars?

Seize Mars!!!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:44 | 1470418 Coke and Hookers
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This just demonstrates what has been obvious from day one: The Euro is a political instrument established to bring about political integration. It was never planned as a working currency. Now it has turned in their hands and is causing the disintegration of the EU. I hope the fuckers choke on it.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:45 | 1470424 TaxSlave
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Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:48 | 1470441 Sudden Debt
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Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:50 | 1470451 speconomist
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h/t speconomist :)

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:12 | 1470580 entendance
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The Greek Orthodox Church owns more land than anyone except the state, employs thousands on the public payroll, has a stake in the nation's biggest bank, but campaigners say its tax payments are derisory.
More than 100,000 people have joined a Greek Facebook page "Tax The Church," and 29,000 have so far signed an online petition urging the state to harness "the huge fortune of churches" to reduce Greece's crushing budget deficit.
"The Church must pay its share of the tax burden," said former finance minister Yannos Papantoniou. "It is totally unreasonable in this situation that they contribute so little."

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 16:32 | 1471723 edotabin
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Isn't this like the whole tax evasion thing? General misappropriation cannot be corrected by trying to bring others into the fray. Not defending anyone here. Just saying the theft, looting, general laziness and sucking on the government boob people may be looking for additional scapegoats.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:25 | 1470626 Djirk
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