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Presenting The Latest Digitalglobe Satellite Photo Of Fukushima, As Thermal Imaging Continues To Be Top Secret

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According to the latest Digitalglobe overflight, the situation in Reactor 4 continues to deteriorate. We wonder where precisely in the Reactor 1,3, and 4 wreckage are the working water pumps that are about to be electrified? Far more importantly, since heat appears to be the biggest issue, why have no thermal or IR photos been released to the public, and most importantly why is the Japanese government actively covering up thermal data? From the JPost: "As the world continues to gaze with concern at Japan’s Fukushima nuclear power plant, hi-tech security cameras installed by an Israeli defense firm are recording events at the troubled core from an insider’s vantage point. The Arava-based Magna BSP company, which specializes in producing and installing stereoscopic sensory and thermal imaging cameras, had been contracted to place cameras around one of the plant’s six cores – the core that has been experiencing explosions and overheating. Speaking to The Jerusalem Post on Monday, Magna’s head, Haim Siboni, said the thermal cameras also had the ability to detect the presence of radioactive clouds in the air, but added that Magna had not been able to gain access to the images recorded by the cameras at this time." Stunningly not even the contractor is allowed to see its own recorded data: "Although Magna is able to gain remote access to its computer system,
which receives the cameras’ images, Siboni said his company had not yet
been authorized to do so. “We have not been allowed to take control remotely yet,” Siboni said."
Surely the classified data must be perfectly normal if the completely discredited Japanese government is keeping it under such tight lock and seal.

h/t ABI1972

 


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Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:55 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Nize ... tnx TD

Just noticed - on the seaward side of the #3 Turbine bldg roof, the edge closer to the water, the edges look to have suffered blast damage ... ostensibly when Rx bldg #3 had it's _3_ explosive events (as heard on the video).

 

That was a BIG blast when #3 Reactor bldg blew ... what clued me in was what looks like traces of a 'plume' (or maybe when the concrete was blown out) across the roof of the #3 turbine bldg out from Reactor Bldg #3 ...

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:02 | Link to Comment Selah
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I'm thinking that the seaward side damage is from the tsunami.

But yup, #3 got the crap blown out of it...

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:10 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Magnify about 2 or 3 x after first opening the image in a new window ... Right-click, open new tab (at least in Opera) ...

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:29 | Link to Comment Selah
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Oh, you're talking about the roof, not the general seaside damage.

That looks like it was done by falling chunks. Look at the relative heights of the buildings; there would be more damage to the top if it was caused by a blast.

Impressive SHTF nonetheless...

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:39 | Link to Comment fuu
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Zoomed in it looks like Unit 3 is missing 2 or 3 floors of height compared to Unit 2. It's barely at the height of the smoking hole in Unit 2.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:52 | Link to Comment Selah
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There is so much to zoom in on with this photo.

I will fall back on the initial assessment: "the roof collapsed".

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 02:18 | Link to Comment fuu
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Fair enough.

 

Look at the debris shot over the building directly above unit 3 in the picture, Grey material cast over the roof and onto the brown hill side.

 

Top center of the photo has a white and blue building with a grey roof that has it's plant facing wall blown off.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 02:44 | Link to Comment Michael
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World Trade Center 911 BOMBINGS COVER UP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jevOj3Qh-w\

New 911 Footage - Infrared FLIR Video of WTC Burning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CK2WAH78Ew&playnext=1&list=PL7387F5CA8493650B

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 03:12 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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yes Mike - it was an inside job and no one will pay for it..  think how it must of been back in soviet russia?  its a NWO thing - there are NO good guys left

 

 

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 03:32 | Link to Comment Michael
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Building 7 is the answer. The way it came down is just not physically possible without help. It should have looked like the Murrow Federal Building if nothing else after that plane attack.

The US Govrnment Helped Al Qaeda pull off the 9/11 Attacks.

A lot more large buildings across America are rigged to come down this way than you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8&feature=related

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 06:25 | Link to Comment Ethics Gradient
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I personally think there are none. But that's just me.

Here's something to stoke your fire though. Have a look at the flight path for flight 93 before the passengers took control. Work out where it was heading. Then, work out what time it would have got there.

Now you should be suitably excited.

What could the pilot possibly have had in mind?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 09:19 | Link to Comment john39
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see any high radiation readings on this map? (scroll over for Japan).  Like 911, this nuclear scare is a fake:

 

http://www.blackcatsystems.com/RadMap/map.html

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 09:47 | Link to Comment john39
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building seven is a big tip off to what really went on.  Each of the buildings was taken down with a micro nuke from below.  sounds incredible, but truth is stranger than fiction.  Dmitri Khaselov, a Russian agent wrote a book where he provided the explanation.  His videos exlain most of the story, they should be mandatory watching for all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAV_BUQoGBw

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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building seven is a big tip off to what really went on

thanks for that link. this explanation eliminated yet another morsel of skepticism; at least for me.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 06:59 | Link to Comment Hedge Jobs
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Cheers Michael, I never get tired of 911. id like to see that little piece of shit Larry "pull it" silverstein get blown up in a building, just like he did to thousands of innocents.

I dont think he had anything to do with fukushima though.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:07 | Link to Comment Old. No. 7
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Same perps, different project.

 

http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=1624

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Fernley Girl
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Well, that was quiet an eye-opener.  Knew about HAARP, but not mobile HAARP. Holy crap.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 05:10 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Good job kiddo!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:12 | Link to Comment Triggernometry
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The sagging structural members of #3 are a telltale sign they were heated past the point of thermal yield. This would suggest an extremely hot condition stories below, since such heat could only be transferred to the steel roof trusses by convection or radiation(infrared). The hydrogen explosion is an unlikely source of damage as the heat is short lived, and would have blown the steel out, not in.

Please notice the "Chernobyl solution" of burying with sand and concrete was only proposed after close-up images of buckling steel were made public. This would suggest partial or complete meltdown of fuel rods resulting in the dreaded pool of radioactive "lava." The reports of radioactive milk and spinach up to 65 miles away, along with discovery of radioactive iodine in Tokyo tap water also seem to confirm meltdown and subsequent convective mass(as in matter, not size) transfer of fission byproducts.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 05:31 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Look into the spent water piers. I wonder how much radiation is in those pier flow channels. The up take desalination cooling channels are blown. That small harbour is radioactive in the short term.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 08:48 | Link to Comment Republi-Ken
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WIND FORECAST NE.

Shifts NE Monday Evening.

Directly At Tokyo...Everyone hold your breath for 12 hours.

The Week Tokyo Shuts Down 120 Years From Cesium 137?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:28 | Link to Comment bud-wiser
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Here is some chilling vid of tsunami from japanese news that I hadn't seen. A side note: even the newscasters are wearing helmets!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4oxbUUr130&feature=related

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:09 | Link to Comment infiniti
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Check out the building directly vertical of #3. I'd say that's about 1 mile away.

The blast tore the shit out of the west side. Wow.

There is no water in those bathtubs. Imagine taking a 2,000 lb JDAM bomb and exploding it 20 feet above a swimming pool.

Adios H2O!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:18 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Yeah, looks like it hit that bldg too.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 06:27 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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That green pallet lowers control rods into the reactor core. The vessel is breached, and the core is just behind it. A reactor vessel is like a fine single malt still!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 08:31 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I don't think it's a mile. Maybe less than a half. When trying to measure distance on an overhead photo without a scale or known reference, and not correcting for angle etc, one must find measurable references within the photo itself. Something I've been using is the estimated width of the long vertical access road running to and from the plant to the top of the photo as well as parking spaces to the right and top right. 

The paved road is two lanes without full sized breakdown lanes, presumably because when moving very wide heavy equipment up and down it they would simply close the road and use the entire width. So how wide is the road? Each lane is probably 16, maybe 18 feet max (to accommodate heavy equipment like mobile cranes and wide load trucks to still use one lane) times two lanes plus some smaller portion on either side. Remember that I am measuring the paved road, not the entire width including gravel on the sides. I've been assuming that road is maybe 40 wide wide to a max of 50 depending upon what you assume is "road" surface.

Now lets look at the parking spots. In the US, a standard parking spot is around 10 feet wide, a standard set many years ago with large wide cars that also accommodates today's SUVs. But that has been shrinking to the point where many new lots are now marked out with 9 feet wide spots. And those "compact" spots are 8 feet wide. I don't know what the standard is in Japan though Japan on average has much smaller cars that the USA. Let's use 8 feet wide to over estimate the distance rather than under. Yes, I suspect it would be measuered in meters/metric in Japan. Let's think in feet because I'm a dumb American who rejected the metric system decades ago.

Look at 5 parking spaces to make it easier to measure and to smooth out your measurement. 5 spots times 8 feet is 40 feet. Assume it's 9 wide and you have 45 feet. Assume it's 10 feet wide and you have 50 feet wide. I use 40 feet again so that any error increases distances, not decreases. Now compare the two examples.

I figured the paved road to be 40 feet wide. I figured 5 parking spots to be 40 to 50 with the middle of 45 wide. Pull out a ruler and compare the two relative to each other. Once you open the photo, select how much you will or won't blow the picture up and then leave it alone. You are measuring things within the photo relative to other things in the photo so it doesn't matter how much you blow up the picture. You are defining a unit of measurement within the photo that won't be used outside the photo or on another photo. Every time you open a photo you must repeat the process of determining scale since each photo is different.

In this case 5 parking spaces is just slightly wider than the road. Since the range of the 5 parking spaces was 40 to 50 feet wide and range for the road was 40 to 50 feet wide and we know 5 parking spaces is as wide to slightly wider than the road, it appears the unit of measurement you now have on your ruler that corresponds to 5 parking spaces is around 40 to 50 feet. I use the smaller number of 40 feet.

Bingo. Now you can measure any distance with 10 to 20% error, good enough for measuring in this estimate. If you knew exact lengths of car and truck models, you could be more precise. I'm sure professional photo recon does exactly this if they don't already know the scale, which is unlikely.

Using this method I come up with the building all the way at the top of the photo with it's wall blown out at around 1500 to 2000 feet or 1/4 to 2/5 of a mile. Still a very long way for a shock wave to travel and still do that kind of damage. Amature photo reconnaissance 101. Anyone have a better method I would love to hear it. Mine is strictly crude.

BTW if you want to see how far the tsunami reached look again at the access road where it meets the plant. It's less noticeable in this picture because the mud has now dried out and the edge has become less defined as vehicles have crossed the edge and spread it out. But in other photos you could see a clear mark when the mud ended about 100 feet up the access road.

Assuming a grade of 3 or 4%, and 100 feet of run, the water reached a depth of 4 or 5 feet at the back of the plant. Every building was flooded on the first floor. The mud is everywhere on the main site and you can set equipment scattered around everywhere, particularly if you look at earlier photos of the site after the tsunami and before the explosions. Look at this March 12th overhead.

 http://www.digitalglobe.com/downloads/featured_images/japan_earthquaketsu_fukushima_daiichi_march12_2011_dg.jpg

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 08:09 | Link to Comment PenGun
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 Almost exectly a quarter mile. Google Earth is very useful.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 08:18 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I have found Google earth to have built in distortions that occur when they stitch together photos and adjust for angle. Also if you have some depth features turned on it distorts the measurements Google Earth displays. Still good for rule of thumb.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:05 | Link to Comment aheady
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I often get freaked out by what Street View does with a cul-de-sac. Frustrating.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:20 | Link to Comment tom a taxpayer
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Good observations. When roof of #3 turbine building is magnified, it looks like a big hole in roof on seaward edge of the roof, perhaps created by a large piece of debris from the explosion.

Anyone know which building(s) has the control room(s)?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:22 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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I think, the little bldg out in front of the junction of turbine buildings 1 and 2 (and also 3 and 4) are the control buildings ... that little structure has windows ... no other windows around that I can see ...

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:29 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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I see the hole - it also looks like there are scrape/impact marks from maybe four discrete concrete panels that hit/dragged across the turbine bldg  ...

 

Do you see the glow coming from what looks like inside Reactor bldg #3?

The shadow from the sun I don't think goes back that far ...

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 02:08 | Link to Comment tom a taxpayer
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"Do you see the glow coming from what looks like inside Reactor bldg #3?"

"Three holes over to the right and one up (from the far left), the side facing the sea ...".

If the holes referred to are the square holes on the side facing the sea, and if the white spot in the upper left corner of the hole is the spot you are referring to as a "glow", then I have no idea what that the white spot is.

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 02:18 | Link to Comment fuu
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Or the perfectly circular black space on the right edge of the white spot.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 06:36 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Nuclear science might be your calling!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:16 | Link to Comment Ras Bongo
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Reactor No. 4: renewed nuclear chain reaction feared

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/79482.html

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:33 | Link to Comment infiniti
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Holy shit. If they are admitting it in the press, then it's already occured.

The wind shifts this weekend.

I know a lot of investment managers who were shrugging this off over the past few days, as though there were an off-switch. A lot of them bought Jap equities on the assumption that the selloff was overdone and reconstruction will fuel profits. We'll see about that.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 02:59 | Link to Comment AnonymousAnarchist
Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:38 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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What is the glow coming from what looks to be inside Reactor bldg #3?

Three holes over to the right and one up (from the far left), the side facing the sea ...

 

To see it you're going to have to open the BIG image ... not really visable on the small one above ...

 

 

Let me be the first to call:  CORE MELTDOWN ...

 

 

 

Okay, after seeing that 'glow' or whatever it is - I need a drink ...

...

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:42 | Link to Comment trav7777
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the first???  buddy, it's been announced in the press already that some significant percentage of core rods have already melted.

Do you mean it has escaped containment?  If so, unlikely to be glowing at this point...it'd flow like lava and cool into radioactive glass

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:59 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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How about 'Meltdown in Progress' ... I would expect the inner fuel assemblies to go first, with a temp gradient from high to low from inward going outward ... what say you?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 04:33 | Link to Comment MSimon
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That is what you would expect if things were happening in a neat and orderly military fashion. This is an accident.

 

Simon - Naval Nuke DLG(N)-25

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:55 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Laws of thermodynamics and heat flow do not change from civilian to military applications ...

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:45 | Link to Comment infiniti
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I see what you are talking about. It's almost certainly not a reflection, because there's no reflective material left on that building.

 

Here's another one: The roof of #1 is gone. So where is the equipment (crane), where is the pool? The visible area is completely destroyed. Would the nuclear material be blown out of the building?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:56 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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The crane, I think, is parked far left ... last week we had a picture from the ground and made the same call as to being against that far wall ... the boom of the crane runs verticle in this high-res image we have before us ...

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 05:06 | Link to Comment TerraHertz
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I think with #1 we're looking at the roof. It's just fallen down into the building interior more or less intact apart from some crumpling at the edges, after being lifted up a bit by the exposion.

So all the equipment, crane, pools, reactor cap, etc are underneath it.  Completely inaccessible. Terrific.

Btw here are the links for each day's digitalglobe highest-res images.

http://www.digitalglobe.com/index.php/27/Sample+Imagery+Gallery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/digitalglobe-imagery
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5053/5526481182_138657774b_o.jpg   20110314
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5214/5530841229_c5880c5052_o.jpg   20110316 oblique view
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5296/5535116638_0a067c07f1_o.jpg   20110317 overhead view
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5133/5537297305_207bd7d9bf_o.jpg   20110318

Also, it's the next day after 'tears of contrition', and there's no apparent decline in the lying. WHO director currently leading the lies-flock.

Still no thermal images, no building plans, no radio contact with 'heroic 50' or firefighters, no onsite webcams, no _real_ hi-res sat images, no detailed fuel rod inventories and locations, no website for publishing all available tech/pic/data, no reporters in government meetings, no reliable Japan-wide real-time radiation data, no precise information on the exposures of the work crews...

And on the 'getting things done' side, no public request for suicide volunteers, no request for formal submission of suggestions, no central contact point for offers of technical assistance, no evidence there's any attempt to create multiple task-specific problem solving/planning teams... 

The entire thing is being run as if this was WWII era. It's not aceptable any more. And not going be accepted.

I wonder if these clowns realise they are risking their own lives as much as the firefighters, if they keep up this bullshit. Japanese very polite, until they've had enough.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 06:30 | Link to Comment Oligarchs Gone Wild
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Still no thermal images, no building plans, no radio contact with 'heroic 50' or firefighters, no onsite webcams, no _real_ hi-res sat images, no detailed fuel rod inventories and locations, no website for publishing all available tech/pic/data, no reporters in government meetings, no reliable Japan-wide real-time radiation data, no precise information on the exposures of the work crews...

Well put.  No leadership either by Japan or the US.  Rudy Giuliani commenting the other day stated correctly that what is required is regular interval updates by a consistent spokesperson.   They seemed to have gotten this right in 911 and the pressers at the start of most war engagement, but for a week now the best we can do is google translation services and hi-res sat photos.  And frankly?  The best Fukushima data aggregation is on ZH.  Irrefutable. 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 06:46 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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I ba'bushka Russians. Ogliarchs?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:54 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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No, the crane is still there. IMO.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:42 | Link to Comment tired1
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"hi-tech security cameras installed by an Israeli defense firm are recording events at the troubled core from an insider’s vantage point."

Huh? Israeli cameras in a Japanese nuke plant?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:54 | Link to Comment avonaltendorf
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Radioactive hardened, used to record images of underground tests. Japs don't have nuclear weapons, Israelis do.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Head for the Hills
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Makes sense.

Israeli Security = 50 years of experience with real threats every day, and the ability to learn from success and failure.

Not many security agencies in developed countries have had that level of real experience.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 03:03 | Link to Comment tom a taxpayer
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See what appears to be gaping breaks in the two large pipes as seen directly vertical below the right (north) side edge of reactor building #4. Here is link to a before photo.

http://www.digitalglobe.com/downloads/featured_images/japan_earthquakets...

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 06:21 | Link to Comment Twindrives
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Obama's NWO handlers told him to reign in the Japanese government......and Ghadaffi.   Told if successful he will be rewarded a a lifetime free membership to Putt Putt Golf Course.   

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 08:47 | Link to Comment Republi-Ken
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WIND FORECAST NE.

Shifts NE Monday Evening.

Directly At Tokyo...Everyone hold your breath for 12 hours.

The Week Tokyo Shuts Down 120 Years From Cesium 137?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 14:43 | Link to Comment Odd Ball
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Noticed the same thing yesterday in a high res shot that showed the other side of the building.  The blast debris from building 3 was spewed out in highly directional patterns.  There is fairly localized damage to the roof line of the long building that stands between the reactor and the sea, although it's not as visible in this image.  And as someone else has noted, there is also a concrete "splat" on the hillside inland from the reactor building.  Building #4 also received a lot of blast damage.  The debris seems to have ejected from the building orthogonal to its outer walls.  This blast occurred down deeper in the building, down in the concrete sections below and/or surrounding the cooling pool.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:30 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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Nuclear Meltdowns 101

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:30 | Link to Comment InfinityZero
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Fukushima is Chernobyl on steroids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7JvuUwpq40

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:39 | Link to Comment SilverRhino
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Very interesting accent on that Russian TV reporter.

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:09 | Link to Comment Mark McGoldrick
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Here's something else interesting...

Rush Limbaugh is one of the cornerstones of right-wing America.  He has a $400 million contract and a cult-like audience that far outnumbers all other right-wing personalities.  Some estimates put the number of his listeners to well over 10 million. In short, it is no exaggeration to say that Rush is the voice of the American Right.

So...  what does the American Right think of this Japan disaster?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBskDv4LvwM

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:10 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Some sort of HO for Rush there?

It's what he thinks, he doesn't represent anybody ... he's un-elected!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:15 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Now, both sides of this issue await to be worked ... what does BO (your buddy maybe?) think about Japan ... we know he bowed to their emporer upon thier first meet, so, I think we have a partial clue ...

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:18 | Link to Comment Selah
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Rush is not a Libertarian...He's an idiot on the radio.

He was laughing at the liberals, not the Japanese.

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 04:39 | Link to Comment MSimon
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Rush is not a Libertarian

Pity.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:38 | Link to Comment VeloSpade
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Rush Limbaugh is a drug addict.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:59 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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In short, it is no exaggeration to say that Rush is the voice of the American Right.

This is precisely what is wrong with politics in America. A = B. B = C. C what I mean? Can you really define a full third of "conservative American values" based on some fat, pill popping nut job on the radio?

Ron Paul is Republican and I can assure you Ron and Rush do not see eye to eye. The examples are too many to enumerate.

When the left and the right realize they are brothers with far more in common than in conflict and thusly join hands to face the bankers/oligarchs, the moment when the sun can rise again over our great nation will become possible. Until then, we are screwed.

Regards,

Cooter

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 12:22 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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"When the left and the right realize they are brothers with far more in common than in conflict and thusly join hands to face the bankers/oligarchs, the moment when the sun can rise again over our great nation will become possible. Until then, we are screwed."

well said.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 12:22 | Link to Comment long-shorty
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The ability "to be painfully stupid and painfully offensive at the same time" is far from "rare."

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 08:22 | Link to Comment Matte_Black
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"Fukushima is Chernobyl on steroids..."

Great. Beautiful. Nuclear scientists were openly weeping and calling for prayer when I finally crashed last night, and I wake up to this.

So much for breakfast. Christ.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:55 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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Wow. Thanks for the link InfinityZero.

This guy on RT seems to have the creditials to have a qualified opinion. I can only assume his opinion is based on his knowledge and what he can gather information that is public (like they are hiding the good news from us). Given that, he didn't pull any punches did he?

"Chernobyl on steroids" ... and the closing line ... "I dont think there is anything an expert can do to physically help at this point. I think these reactors are in runaway."

Regards,

Cooter

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Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:31 | Link to Comment SilverRhino
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No steam.   I don't think that's actually an improvement at this point.

Reactors 1,3 & 4 are so toast.  

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:34 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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they're probably waiting for the markets to open so they can spring all the good news they've been holding back on us...yeah yeah...that's the ticket.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:42 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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steam coming outta 2 if you click n zoom the pic.  There will be plenty from unit 3 when they come squirt it again.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:35 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Hey, it looks just like the little models in the NHK news studio! 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:41 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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GAMMA RADIATION LEVELS ON WEST COAST 2 T0 10 TIMES LEVELS ON EAST COAST - GOOGLE CACHE OF THE STORY THAT WAS DELETED

 

Google cache of story - since taken down.

References Zero Hedge.

No cover up. Suuuuure.

 

By Miriam Raftery
 
March 16, 2011 (San Diego) 12:30 a.m. -- A radiation map on the U.S. Environmental Protection Service shows radiation levels at measuring stations across the United States.  There is a disturbing pattern showing gamma radiation levels along the West Coast, Alaska and Hawaii at two to ten times levels on the East Coast, with midwest states in mid-ranges:

 
 The EPA radiation site (www.epa.gov/radiation) has a database but does not appear to list what units this map is measured in, so it is difficult to assess whether these levels should be of concern. However it's clear from the map that levels are highest in all West Coast states, Hawaii, Alaska, Arizona and  Nevada, all with measures in the 900s, tapering off as you move eastward, with measurements on the East Coast ranging from around 100 to 400. 
 
The map displays gamma radiation.  The site states that gamma radiation is only measured when beta radiation is found to exceed normal levels
 
Gamma radiation is the type of radiation being spewed forth from at least four failed Japanese nuclear reactors, including two where authorities have indicated the core has been breached, plus a spent fuel rod pond where radiation was released directly into the atmosphere.  In low levels, gamma rays can cause nausea and other effects.  In high levels, it can cause more serious health effects both short and long term, including cancer and birth defects.
 
East County Magazine will be contacting the EPA when their office opens for an explanation on the measurements.  Earlier today, the EPA issued a statement indicating it will deploy more electronic monitors that measure radiatiolevels in the air. The monitors, which detect gamma radiation and radioactive particles, will be set up in "parts of the Western U.S. and U.S. territories," the agency said in a statement.
 
EPA officials, however, refused to answer questions or make staff members available to explain the exact location and number of monitors, or the levels of radiation, if any, being recorded at existing monitors in California, the San Jose Mercury-News reports. Margot Perez-Sullivan at the EPA's regional headquarters in San Francisco, said the agency's written statement would stand on its own.
 
Critics said the public needs more information.
 
"It's disappointing," said Bill Magavern, director of Sierra Club California. "I have a strong suspicion that EPA is being silenced by those in the federal government who don't want anything to stand in the way of a nuclear power expansion in this country, heavily subsidized by taxpayer money."
 
The EPA has 124 air monitors, which provide hourly readings, already in place in its "Rad-Net" system to measure radiation, including 12 in California and two in Hawaii. California locations include San Jose, Sacramento, Fresno, Los Angeles and San Diego; however the San Diego monitor is listed as "inactive" on another EPA database. The EPA also has 40 mobile monitors, some of which are now being deployed. The agency clarified that some would go to Guam, Hawaii and Alaska, but did not respond to questions about California, the Mercury-News said.
 
"As the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has said, we do not expect to see radiation at harmful levels reaching the U.S. from damaged Japanese nuclear power plants," the EPA statement yesterday stated.
 
Government regulatory agencies and nuclear experts have repeatedly said that high levels of radiation are unlikely to hit California in significant quantities because Japan is 5,000 miles away. However, studies from the California Air Resources Board have found that coal dust and other pollution from China regularly reaches the state.
 
Most experts said that if the Japanese reactors experience a complete Chernobyl-type explosion, fire and release of nuclear material, some could reach California, but "probably in very low amounts," the Mercury- News reports.
 
The Japanese government now has a website with radiation readings there posted online, however Fukushima and certain other locations are listed as "under survey" and have not been releaesd.  You can view the current data here:    http://www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/
 
There is an analysis and screenshots of the Japanese data here that indicates gamma radiation levels were extremely high 100 miles or so from the explosions and fires at the Fukushima nuclear reactors. The website Zero Hedge analysis concludes that "the data is stunning: based on a N, NE and NNE wind direction (where it originates), meaning all coming from Fukushima, with a normal reading in the 80 nGy/h range, the city of Kounosu Naka is at 3,024, Kadobe Naka is at 2,416, Isobe Hitachioota is at 1,213 and many others are in the mid to upper triple digit range! Again, this is based on wind coming out of Fukushima and ultimately headed toward the capital. Indicatively, normal terrestrial plus cosmic gamma radiation is about 80 nGy/h."  See 
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/gamma-radiation-fukushima-downwind-ibaraki-disclosed-30-times-above-normal  
 
ECM cautions that we do not know whether these sites are using comparable measurements to the EPA site or not, nor even whether West Coast gamma measurements are customarily comparable to East Coast measurements or not, nor whether the higher levels on this map are due to the ongoing nuclear crisis in Japan.  However we believe in giving the public all information available.   We will be seeking expert comments at the earliest opportunity.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:49 | Link to Comment trav7777
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There were fires in #4 earlier in the week...depending upon what was burning, it's likely that Cs-137 has been released into the atmosphere.

The steam venting and steam plumes should contain only short-lived I-131.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:56 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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So Daiichi No. 4 could be responsible for what's now been reported as a possible as much as 10x differential between U.S. east and west coast gamma?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:59 | Link to Comment Misean
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Reported by a nutritionist where?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:04 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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That's what's known as ad hominem AND a red herring, right?

Attack the messenger rather than what's being reported. I expect more from you.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:08 | Link to Comment Misean
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No, it's questioning where it was posted, and why it was deleted. The assumption from your post is that it's a coverup. I'm wondering who precisely would cover up a report from said source. Surely if say the Warshington Compost plopped that up and yanked it I'd give the coverup theory some creadance. But the best I can find is that this writer is a nutritionist for a lifestyle magazine in San Diego. Sorry, but sources DO matter.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:17 | Link to Comment Cistercian
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 The map showed the monitoring stations number designation.People mistook this for radiation readings.I visited the real map you could click on for data...and a lot of the sites were down.Raleigh, NC had a reading 4 times higher than the west coast stations I checked.Too many stations down for my taste, I wanted a better snapshot of the background radiation.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:21 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Thanks. I was unaware, and I agree that it's at least odd that so many stations are offline.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:24 | Link to Comment Cistercian
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  Your welcome.I think it is either suspicious, or evidence of neglected infrastructure.

 Probably both!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 04:56 | Link to Comment cossack55
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I think they sent the money to update the system to ACORN.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 04:46 | Link to Comment MSimon
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Gamma radiation is the type of radiation being spewed forth from at least four failed Japanese nuclear reactors, including two where authorities have indicated the core has been breached, plus a spent fuel rod pond where radiation was released directly into the atmosphere.  In low levels, gamma rays can cause nausea and other effects

 

Uh.  You may find this hard to belive but gammas are line of sight. Who ever wrote the above is not to be trusted because it is obvious they have clue zero.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:17 | Link to Comment TheVirginian-HGWT
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lies and obfuscation is the name of the game

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:39 | Link to Comment Captain Benny
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It was already pointed out, but the scary thing is that we aren't seeing any thermal images released.  This situation is far worse than has been stated.  Tearing up and getting your eyes wet doesn't atone for the veil you helped cast over the grave situation.  I hope everyone is prepared for a deepening shock to the markets this next week...

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:43 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Yes, not disclosing the reactor temps is just evil.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:03 | Link to Comment avonaltendorf
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Criminal conspiracy. Thermal time lapse would tell the whole story. Tokyo firemen, SDF, heroic "Tepco 50" sacrificed for nothing.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:09 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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Jim in MN,

Would you be willing to speculate as to the current thermal temps at the site? I understand that there will likely be an absence of smoke at elevated temperatures, however based upon the satellite photos, there seems to be little indication of an oxidizing metal fire.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 02:01 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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It's my understanding that an uncovered core could heat up at a rate of up to one degree per second.  So you could be anywhere from 100 C or less (i.e. normal cooled state with circulating, non-boiling water) to over 1000 in an hour.  The cores here have been uncovered for a couple of hours at a time.  So that's why everyone figures the temps passed 1500 or 2000 when you get direct hydrogen production and 'splosions.  Oh, and lots MORE heat from the oxidation that makes the hydrogen.  You're off to the meltdown races.

And both decay heat and cladding oxidation take place without any recriticality.  If it goes critical again it adds yet a third heat/power mechanism...

So then, once you reimmerse them, you need to be able to convey the residual decay heat and then you can start cooling.  Figure these things can provide single digit megawatt heat, like even a tenth of a percent of the design capacity, and you realize that a mostly cooled off reactor core still produces more heat than most industrial factories, for example, and can readily boil a good volume of water.

As a result of all this cooling, reheating, recooling, etc., it's pretty much impossible to tell what the temperatures are.  Each core could cycle through a couple of thousand degrees on a given day; core gets exposed, heats up, gets reimmersed, cools down.  Very hectic and a lot of stress on the containment vessel...which is also being corroded by the salt water.

I want very much to know the temperatures, because it's really the crux of the matter.

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 05:53 | Link to Comment Wakanda
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+2

Those temp fluctuations and salt water must be destroying the containment vessels.  I hope they hold.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:32 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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I wrote exactly that, and then thought it was over-the-top. But is it? Why the secrecy? Why are these people in charge so afraid of the truth?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:40 | Link to Comment Misean
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I dunno. 39Million Tokyo residents panicing and fleeing the city leading to the widespread death of 1000's of people over what turns out to be nothing.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 02:55 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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There is value in Panic. We are animals. Our bodies tell us what our minds cannot wrap themselves around.

Do you suggest that folks stay in Tokyo until they are bleeding out of every orifice and their hair is falling out in clumps?

We will see if your prediction that this is "nothing" turns out to be true or not.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:24 | Link to Comment Misean
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No, there is no value in panic. And arm chair generals such as yourself would be the first to call for the head of someone who caused a panic that cost lives that exceeded the situation's danger...in hind sight, of course.

Further, I never said it is nothing. I am pointing out that, given the stupidity of a command and control/government lead system, someone is in charge of making a call. That small group has to balance the risk of death from the disaster with the risk of death from a panic. Do you want to make that call? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Further, while I'm sure that your certainty with respect to the radiation risk is based on some data source mere mortals such as myself do not have access to, I only have information that is clearly being minimized by the Japanese government. That they are minimizing the severity, and thus lying, is not in doubt. This fact, however, does not mean TEOTWAWKI.

Sorry for having injected a dose of reality regarding the situation. Please do carry on gnashing your teeth.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 02:17 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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No value in panic?

It is not me that is afraid, it is you.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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There is value in Panic. We are animals. Our bodies tell us what our minds cannot wrap themselves around.

Excellent observation. I think most people don't appreciate this. In modern society where folks might rarely if never experience a traumatic life threatening situation, it is quite natural to overlook this.

Macabrely, this is quite dawinian, as those who panic first will live to pass their genes on and those who do not may very well risk their ability to procreate. For those with a thousand year view, this is quite a left turn clyde.

Regards,

COoter

 

 

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 04:52 | Link to Comment LudwigVon
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Easy, you are right that panic solves nothing. But if you have followed along here at ZH there has been credible sources saying that unit 4 has a breach in the spent fuel pool and can not hold water, which is why they fear that the EPA gamma radiation discrepancies between west/mid/east US sites. Presently we have not a lethal dose here, but if it is escalating here 5000 miles from Japan, I do not think that it is unwise to leave Japan as they have poisioned food, air and water. Sorting what is poisoned from what is not is not a task I would want to take on with my body personally. It is fair to say that residents of Tokyo should leave and if the spent pool fuel is able to be firmed up and refilled, they could then return.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 04:53 | Link to Comment LudwigVon
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using fuel that is not there, chewing KI tablets that are not available, eating canned food that is not for sale and drinking bottled water only of course...

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 05:48 | Link to Comment Wakanda
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+2

Thanks for your comments Jim.  I've learned a lot.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:42 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Did CNN just report that all firefighters and workers have been pulled out?  Highly negative development if so...

If the fuel rods catch fire, things will go apeshit in a hurry.

Seems like TEPCO has been several steps slow at nearly every point.  Surely, they knew that hydrogen was building up in their reactor buildings and would eventually explode.

WTF do they have to gain by witholding data at this point?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:55 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Not seeing that.  Seeing that they sprayed, are taking a noon break, and then a new group of firefighters will spray more. 

I just keep hoping we never see that 'grease fire' in those pools....

Oh another statement on rad levels 500 meters from unit 3 at about 3700-4000 MICRO sieverts per hour.  That whole area of things continues to be a head-scratcher.  The news keeps repeating the 10-15 MILLI sievert figure for workers trying to lay conduit near units 1 and 2; that would be 10,000-15,000 microsieverts.  So is it that the gradient is so steep that it falls 75% in 500 meters or less?  That's the only way the numbers can be right.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:02 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Jim-

Thanks for your comments. They seem to be consistently level and informative.

So thanks for that.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:11 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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I can be a mean little ferret when it comes to pulling info apart.  But it's just cuz I give a shit. 

'Perspective is the hardest-won prize, and the most valuable.'

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 08:49 | Link to Comment Cursive
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Second that.  Jim in MN, a longtime ZHer, is quality.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:46 | Link to Comment trav7777
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I see now that it was a replay of earlier reports as a timeline of events.

I dunno about the radiation levels...I need to see data as opposed to reporting which gets fucked up.

But yeah, the gradient can be steep, depending on what is in between.  Think of standing behind a tree vs sunlight.  Gamma is just another frequency.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 04:08 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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Yea, Gamma is just another frequency.

Jeeze, you are either a spook or a paid poster. Either way, you are way too prolific to be legit.

And the fact that you would pick an avatar flicking the bird tells me everything I need to know.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 05:42 | Link to Comment TerraHertz
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His avatar.. yeah, it's funny how most shills pick aggressive/insulting avatars. It's like they have a subconscious desire to announce themselves for what they are.

That said, unfortunately he's right about the 'just another frequency'. Gamma consists of a high energy packet of EM wave. Effectively a photon. See http://www.blackcatsystems.com/GM/experiments/ex7.html

So they are line of sight. The reason you can get Gamma radiation 100 miles downwind, or on US west coast, is that Fukushima smoke contains radioisotopes in both atomic (gas) and particulate form. Some time later these atoms decay, producing all the different types of radiation, including Gamma.

Little tiny cluster bombs, floating in the air... how wonderful.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 06:41 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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Is he right? Just another frequency?

I don't think so.

Not in terms of the way it impacts life.

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 07:30 | Link to Comment TerraHertz
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It's important to keep in mind the distinction between technical truth and poetic truth.

Pretty much any frequency of RF will kill you/things if present in sufficient quantity. Gamma is just at the top end of the frequency scale and doesn't come in 'harmless amounts.' Down at the opposite end, DC current will kill you just as dead. Working up the spectrum through the radio wave bands; enough of them can cook you, especially going into the microwave bands. Not to mention subtle biological jamming effects. You use a cell phone? TeraHertz waves... ahem. The sound of DNA unzipping in airports. Infra-red can be nice in small amounts only. Visible light, not so friendly in high power laser beams. UV, doesn't take so much. X-rays, you can guess. Gamma is just more of the same 'more'.

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:03 | Link to Comment Alienated Serf
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geek, travis is an obnoxious bastard, but his science is usually spot on.  save the rants for his racist drivel.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:08 | Link to Comment Boilermaker
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You mean TRAV "Popular Mechanics Subcriber" 7777 isn't a Nuclear Engineering authority???  But...he said he's done his own "research" on the matter.

I'm confused now.

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it's known as reading.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:03 | Link to Comment Number 156
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Did CNN just report that all firefighters and workers have been pulled out?

Pulled out feet first?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 04:49 | Link to Comment MSimon
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Seems like TEPCO has been several steps slow at nearly every point.

 

Yeah. Operating in the panic mode: trying to solve the last problem instead of the next one.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:59 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Where did the 'rats' post go - it vanished!

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 00:51 | Link to Comment X. Kurt OSis
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See my post in the robot thread. Governments lie. Facts get in the way. SSDD. It takes time to coordinate massive global manipulation of financial and currency markets. Facts cause chaos... See Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Oman, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Ivory Coast, Greece, Portugal, Illinois, California, New Jersey, Lehman Brothers, Bear Sterns, WorldCom, Enron, Russia, Long Term Capital, etc., etc. for examples of just how dangerous facts can be. Fuck facts. Where's my soma? Settling for Macallan 18.

Just buy iPads and watch your American Idol... All is well.

Kurt.

P.S. I can't believe my entire career on Wall Street has been an endless parade of black swans. Things seemed so promising when I rolled out of college. No more cold war, big bad bull market. Fuck. I thought this was gonna be 3 martini lunches at Harry's and cocaine and hookers and stuff. Fuck. I should have worked for Goldman.

Here's the word of the day: capitulate. You won't win.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:48 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Fuck that, Kurt, with respect to you.

When the shit does hit the fan, open season on all traitors to the nation.

It's the American Way.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:04 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Why is it that all us of "tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists" continue to be proven right, and yet our ranks never swell.

- - - - - - - - - - - - -

Evedrybody lies ... it's an axiom Dr. House uses ... The NY Post wrote about:

"Truth is, everybody lies"

http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/cindy_adams/truth_is_everybody_lies_tscW...

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:14 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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oh, bull-pucky!  adjust!  don't capitulate!  take yer best shot:  ransom yer wealth, what's left of it, from the goobermint and banksters.  get outa paper and into gold and silver coinage and a few green stamps.  cash out yer assets; pay yer taxes and other liabilities.  get prepared to make a stand for all the custard.  not winning isn't the biggie, sir.  capitulation, especially in the thinking department, is the biggest biggie, for ever and ever,  amenski! 

what's another clusterflock of black swans among loserz at this point?  feels great, to me!  i'm already poor as any subject of the sheriff of nottingham, and have nothing to lose but my health, and my life.

i'm feeling fabulous, and i'm fuking immortal!

any questions?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:17 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Locking the rat down ... here's his post:

 

by slewie the pi-rat
on Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:14
#1074539

oh, bull-pucky! adjust! don't capitulate! take yer best shot: ransom yer wealth, what's left of it, from the goobermint and banksters. get outa paper and into gold and silver coinage and a few green stamps. cash out yer assets; pay yer taxes and other liabilities. get prepared to make a stand for all the custard. not winning isn't the biggie, sir. capitulation, especially in the thinking department, is the biggest biggie, for ever and ever, amenski!

what's another clusterflock of black swans among loserz at this point? feels great, to me! i'm already poor as any subject of the sheriff of nottingham, and have nothing to lose but my health, and my life.

i'm feeling fabulous, and i'm fuking immortal!

any questions?

 

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:25 | Link to Comment X. Kurt OSis
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That's awesome. Bull-pucky.

Forget the long gold and silver.

You guys wanna end the Fed? Let's all meet at Maiden Lane.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:46 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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chacon a san gout, sis.  you forget whatever you want, shithead.  you go ahead to "maiden lane".  with what?  an audit?  justice dept?  FBI?  SEC?  hahaha! 

gonna blame some MERV 'bot for defrauding you of yer god-given tranch-ette on the range, rover? 

i know what they did, ok?  i sure didn't have any skin in that sideshow, i'll tell ya that!  i was chronically non-involved with that 4-way fraud for the ages.  might as well have been some native americans selling an island for some beads, to me. 

you don't have PM's and cash, you are still Mark Carny, friend. 

use yer head.  use yer feet.  get free and keep yer powder dry.

if you are not long physical, you are not serious abt ending the FED.  if you are not serious about ending the FED, why are you stirring up shit, here?

HUH???

just leave and don't come back, asswipe!

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 02:10 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Lock

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 02:26 | Link to Comment X. Kurt OSis
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Long PM's is not the solution. Here is the bottom line: I don't give a fuck about wealth or your fucking trade idea. Holding wealth hostage in the form of physical metals??? That's what we've come too??? Fuck you.

This system has raided the middle and working classes, created a nation of debt slaves, and produced war and bloodshed across the globe and only benefited a class of elites and bulge bracket bankers.

Libertarians with their reverence with their reverence for the Constitution... The framers would have sank DC into the Potomoac if they saw this nightmare.

Rage against this kind of corruption equals buying precious metals???

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:23 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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look, sis, do you hold the patent on the "dense-ometer"?  just how fuking styooopid are U, mr. capitulation?

"the system" hasn't done anything to me!  i've chosen to get out and stay out of debt.  i hold a few coins and they are doing quite well, thank you.  i have NO "paper investments".  i have a small pension and i hustle to get along, which works fine, for me.  does that upset you?  how sick are U? 

i'll hold my assets any fuking way i please, sir!  you may, also, 'k? i hope that doesn't offend libertarian values!

why do peeps who hold physical PM's hold "wealth hostage"?  when YOU pay huge bux for health, homeowners, or auto insurance, are YOU "holding wealth hostage"?

PM's serve as "insurance" against the very elitist policies you seem to find onerous.  i find them onerous, too, Osis, which is why i have been "insuring" with a coin or two when i yam able. 

this insurance has neither counterparty risk nor time decay,  i may only own one gold coin, but it does NOT 'expire' after one year. or fifty.

i am not "enraged".  why should i let a bunch of styooopid criminals upset me?  or a moron like you, either?

yes, PROTECTION against what we see DOES mean buying and holding PM's.  don't blame slewie!  he didn't make this up!  he's only the piano player!  if you prefer fiat or "paper assets", fine.  who cares?  i'm not gonna try to separate a fool like you from his folly.  trust me.

surely, this isn't the first time you've heard these ideas?  the fact that you've apparently ignored them due to a raging psychosis is my problem?

i do concur that the framerz would prob shit bricks if they could see this fiasco, Osis, but may an old pi-rat not love and cherish the Constitution? 

lol!  lol!  better hurry up and put a "lock" on this, 7777, you little cunt!  hahaha!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:47 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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7777:

i'll just hafta laugh right here and see if you "edit".  hahaha!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 02:09 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Lock the rat

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 05:03 | Link to Comment cossack55
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You forgot Wisconsin. Something against the Packers?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:03 | Link to Comment Mark McGoldrick
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Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:03 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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WTH does this have to do with Hi-res pics of Fukushima I?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:07 | Link to Comment Misean
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Went to reply. Did you decide to delete that asinine comment?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:11 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Moved further up the page.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:07 | Link to Comment Number 156
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HAHAHA!!! And I was wondering about thermal imaging!

My question has been answered. Besides, we all know that whole place is awash in gamma radiation.

Here is my theory as to why theyre hiding the thermal data:

 - Because it will show the 'undamaged' buildings glowing just as bright.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 05:47 | Link to Comment Drag Racer
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you just need to look at the number of cars in the parking lot in the upper right. When that many cars are left behind in an evacuated facility, that tells me they were too contaminated to remove from the site...??

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:03 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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yep.  plus, the driverz mighta been washed out to sea, or incinerated, too!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 05:55 | Link to Comment TerraHertz
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What 'undamaged' buildings plural? There's only one out of four. If you don't count a panel missing and smoke/steam coming out. And didn't that have an explosion in the suppression torroid? I'm losing track, better save one of the summary pointforms.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:06 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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In the Legal Industry, they call this 'rebuttable presumption of guilt,' and laymen call it prima facie toast.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:17 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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ipso facto freaking melba, TIS.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:22 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Res Ipsa Loco Loquitor.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:08 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Whoa.  Yemen just went all extra-psycho.

SANAA, Yemen – A massive demonstration against Yemen's government turned into a killing field Friday as snipers methodically fired down on protesters from rooftops and police made a wall of fire with tires and gasoline, blocking a key escape route.

At least 46 people died, including some children, in an attack that marked a new level of brutality in President Ali Abdullah Saleh's crackdown on dissent. Medical officials and witnesses said hundreds were wounded.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 03:24 | Link to Comment honestann
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That is the nature of every government on earth.

Only the PR is different... slightly.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 05:12 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Since I don't think Bahrain has an airforce, I foresee 15 abstains on the Security Councils effort for NFZ over Bahrain.  We will still be able to get the C17s in loaded with fresh ammo for the sand-nazis. Spreading democracy thru mass murder is a great amerikan theme.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 09:30 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Demoncrazy, the new freedumb.

Well said Cossack.

ORI

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:11 | Link to Comment AAPL_Short
Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:16 | Link to Comment fuu
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Where is all the equipment they have been using for the last week? Where are the generators? Where are the water pumps?

 

I see lots of abandoned cars near the reactors and shiny metal cylinders on the ground against the south wall of Reactor 3. No water pumps though.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 01:20 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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yo! fuu:  Guido jus tol'me:  dat chit fell back up onta da truck, capiche?

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