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Presenting Total Bank Assets As A Percentage Of Host Countries' GDP

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Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:08 | 234545 carbonmutant
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 Generally speaking it's a good idea to remove "financial tumors" before they metastasize.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:16 | 234553 Problem Is
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"... top 5 banks in the US (a list which excludes hedge funds such as Goldman Sachs)"

Novice Question: Why exclude a "hedge fund" like the Goldmanites, if they are classified as a deposit bank and can sidle up to the Fed discount window?

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:20 | 234558 Anonymous
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I guess the squid is not in the top5 by assets

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:46 | 234589 VegasBD
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by a waiver

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:19 | 234556 trav7777
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"Assets"?  Are these marked to myth?

Like to know exactly what assets BNP or UBS are holding.  I can see Switz banks having a lot of bribe money, oil for food money, related drug trafficking skims, and other kickbacks, graft, and related payola due to the secrecy laws.  But, would like to know what the hell these days qualifies as an asset.

If you let me mark to model, I have assets orders of magnitude larger than world GDP right here in my colon.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:39 | 234582 Anonymous
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LOL! Brilliant.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:24 | 234562 Stuart
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it misses the derivative exposure too.    How many trillions does JPM account for just themselves... 

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:27 | 234566 Gunther
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Wed, 02/17/2010 - 18:00 | 234617 DavosSherman
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JPM 87 trillion total derivatives 1.7 trillion assets, BOA 38 trillion to 1.4 trillion and Citi 31 trillion to 1.2 trillion.




Thu, 02/18/2010 - 06:18 | 235229 Anonymous
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yes, OTC derivatives should be included in the chart. Also, this is useful if you look at what happened recenly, Govs bailing out the banks that have head offices in their countries.. but these are all pretty much global banks and Gov balancesheets are getting ugly. I think if/when the next bail out for the banking system has to come, and since these are generally organised by subsidiaries, countries will save their own "assets" only. ie: RBS UK, ok, we put money, in.. RBS Spain, RBS Italy, RBS US, Citizens, etc etc.. Best of luck.. This should be especiallya ttractive to countries with lower internal debt do GDP ratios, like Switzerland. At some point, they might just say.. well, if we keep pumping money into UBS, and maybe CS, this will kill us too, so.. lets save only the part that actually votes for us..

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 19:18 | 234728 RiskFreeT
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Great Frontline piece last night, the people running the hidden markets, or shall we dare say "ponzi" pulled all the political might they could to silence poor Brooksley Born who was just doing her job (something unheard of in DC).

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 20:05 | 234807 Going Down
Thu, 02/18/2010 - 03:37 | 235195 Rick64
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Has been available for a while. Great Show.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:26 | 234565 Ragnarok
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Looking at this tells me we should have let the chips fall in 2008.  We would have been the strongest one when the apocalypse ended.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 18:43 | 234682 masterinchancery
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Excellent observation! Didn't the EU have a lot of influence on the AIG bailout?

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 19:02 | 234704 Anonymous
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and what about China and Fan/Fred

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:30 | 234570 Careless Whisper
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GoldmanSachs is America's Most Innovative Choreographer

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:32 | 234572 faustian bargain
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Bank assets versus national GDPs. That's kinda like a rainbow unicorn versus a sparkle fairy.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 19:46 | 234785 fuu
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wow, bravo

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 00:24 | 235086 Tethys
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ok that was LOL   +1

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:35 | 234573 SWRichmond
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Missing: Glitnir, Landsbanki, Kaupthung.

If they're private companies, who cares how much assets they have?  If people are stupid enough to get "jammed for the commish", why do I care?  Why does bank = national interest, and therefore bailout required? 

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 18:55 | 234697 Anonymous
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Because a lot of money was paid to those who define national interest.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:35 | 234576 bob resurrected
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National Data on Banking Sector



Number and Size of Credit Institutions Number



Total Assets (mEUR)



Total Assets per GDP




Don't forget Austria.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:36 | 234579 girl money
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looks like my pet rabbit visited the right side of the graph, sorry 'bout that.

how many billions of future earnings did we just flush trying to rescue the pellets?


Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:40 | 234583 Leo Kolivakis
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Can you expand to include Canadian banks too?

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:49 | 234595 Bruce Krasting
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Great graph. We are so F-ed if this starts to get unwound. Which it will.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:50 | 234597 Yossarian
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I can't get my mind around the $Trillions in interest rate swaps outstanding.  Obviously for every party betting (hedging) higher rates there is one betting (hedging) lower-for-longer but I suspect the two parties on many trades are somehow both claiming an accounting gain (based on their models, of course).  But what happens when rates rise will be interesting.  I'm wondering if there is an AIG out there selling dud insurance throughout the world against higher rates.  I guess we won't know until it happens but I wouldn't want to bet on the global financial structure being a well oiled  machine- after all, with so many $Trillions of gross interest rate bets (hedges), small mistakes can do massive damage to global balance sheets. 

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 19:57 | 234799 Ripped Chunk
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This aired again on Frontline last night.


We don't need any derivatives regulation. That's the kind of thing that will cause a major problem in the financial markets. The market will sort it out.

It got sorted out alright.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:57 | 234608 Anonymous
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One to impress the clueless... Who cares about different accounting standards when hype is content? Anyone dare to post JPM under IFRS standards? GS already gets 30% of US gdp using that yardstick.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 17:58 | 234611 Whizbang
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If I were in the position to do so, I would be short greek cds right now as fast as I could. According to the economist, the banks with the most exposure to PIIGS and STUPIIDS exposure are Germany, France, and Switzerland. There is a nearly 100% chance that greece will be bailed out. There is no way that the swiss are letting their banks lose a several hundred billion dollars on sovereign exposure.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 18:12 | 234643 lizzy36
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What criteria was used to name Fannie Mae a top 5 bank in the U.S?

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 18:14 | 234646 Oso
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title should read, "Presenting Total Bank Assets As A Percentage Of HOSTAGE Countries' GDP"

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 18:46 | 234683 Anonymous
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Interesting point, but off hand, this almost seems like an apples to oranges comparison to the US. The US would look just as bad if the assets were done on a state basis (e.g. JPM, etc as a % of NY's GDP), no? Yes, the US is at an advantage because of the Fed's printing press, but excluding the likes of GS, etc. makes one wonder why even include the US at all in the comparison.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 19:09 | 234714 Anonymous
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so the really interesting graph to me would be all national debt...consumer, business, and soveign/govt debt vs gdp, and then all "assets" that said govt would have to back to avoid massive bank/currency run on the countries economy...then I think its an easy look for which country in most trouble...if you have a lot to back but not much debt, maybe not so bad...if you have little to back but lots of debt maybe not so bad..Iceland in early 2008 probably was not so bad on debt front but horrible on what to back...

Also where's Oz and Canada, India, Brazil, Russia

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 21:23 | 234719 RiskFreeT
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One by one, the alleged "props" of the bull market thesis get taken out, yet the market marches on, with nary a real drop.

Weak volume rally is bearish

Dow 5000 or 15000???

Thu, 03/04/2010 - 13:31 | 253724 Anonymous
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Would you rather have your money in a bank/government bonds that may get wiped out or would you rather own part of a company that may exist in 5 years time?
And don't mention gold. There is not enough for everyone to own it without it going to 50000 an ounce. Dow to go 30000 by 2015 but inflation adjusted will be equivalent to 5000. When enough perma bears cotton onto this and change their minds then you will see a correction.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 19:43 | 234777 dan22
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The Coming Euro Collapse- How a Greek default could cause a run on the European banking system

If Greece was to default on its debt the banks of the country will collapse immediately. At that event their will be no way for the government to save the depositors of the banks since they will not be able to print or borrow money. The implications to the credit markets for such an event will be enormous since no bank will want to lend to any bank in Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Spain and maybe others. Since this will be the first time since the crisis began in 2007 that depositors lost money it will cause a panic and it is very likely that  there  will be an immediate run on the banks of Portugal, Italy, Spain and Ireland at a time when the countries themselves are unable to raise capital Source: Euro Collapse
Wed, 02/17/2010 - 19:43 | 234778 three chord sloth
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Since Greece is the topic du jour, could they be added to the chart? Thanks!

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 20:11 | 234815 svendthrift
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So the risk is that the derivative links have created a situation whereby one bank failing will bring them all down. And they're all in excess of 100% GDP over there. Ergo, they're literally on the edge of total economic collapse.

Do I have it right?

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 21:22 | 234907 fotokemist
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Wed, 02/17/2010 - 21:14 | 234892 Anonymous
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Where was the run on central european banks? Didnt happen. Where is the run on greek banks? didnt happen.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 23:20 | 235034 merehuman
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they must have drunk the cool aid.We did since 911. Why no american bank runs?

Good coolaid! Television, killer of imagination and asset of the vampire sqid.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 23:44 | 235064 JohnG
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Takes a bit for the sheeple to wake up, and it happens gradually with electronic money in this day and age.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 23:23 | 235037 merehuman
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Squid. Caught the mistake too late. Wondering why americans dont care about their spelling. I see tons of mistakes. Makes me think we are lazy, stupid or under educated. 

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 23:40 | 235056 Anonymous
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Where is tiny 'ol Luxemburg ? With all the banks and the clearing happening there, I can't believe their ratio isn't through the roof !

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 02:21 | 235148 Reggie Middleton
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Wow! This stuff looks awfully familiar...

I will attempt to illustrate the "Overbanked" argument and its ramifications for the mid-tier sovereign nations in detail below and over a series of additional posts.

Sovereign Risk Alpha: The Banks Are Bigger Than Many of the Sovereigns

This is just a sampling of individual banks whose assets dwarf the GDP of the nations in which they're domiciled. To make matters even worse, leverage is rampant in Europe, even after the debacle which we are trying to get through has shown the risks of such an approach. A sudden deleveraging can wreak havoc upon these economies. Keep in mind that on an aggregate basis, these banks are even more of a force to be reckoned with. I have identified Greek banks with adjusted leverage of nearly 90x whose assets are nearly 30% of the Greek GDP, and that is without factoring the inevitable run on the bank that they are probably experiencing. Throw in the hidden NPAs that I cannot discern from my desk in NY, and you have a bank that has problems, levered into a country that has even more problems.

This is from http://boombustblog.com/Reggie-Middleton/1310-The-Coming-Pan-European-Debt-Crisis.html where I made the risks quite clear:

The fact that governments worldwide have made the (generally unwise) attempt to bailout their big banks by transferring bad debts and liabilities from the private sector and bank investors to the public sector and taxpayers doesn't mean that the problem has been solved or even ameliorated. As a matter of fact, I believe the problem has now been amplified, for now we have effective increased the implicit leverage in the already excessively leveraged banking problems as well as removed the natural firewalls that may have been in place by having the problems in individual financial institution versus sitting on government balance sheets, able to affect all without the need of the "domino effect" that was feared from the Lehman collapse.

This leverage stems from the fact that most European sovereign nations are considerably "overbanked". The levered assets of the banks in many Euro-sovereign nations easily outstrip those nations' GDP's. So when the nations' banks get in trouble from bad banking practices (and a very large swath have), the nations themselves not only are helpless in attempting to truly save the banks (and instead only institute a bait and switch wherein private default risk/insolvency potential is swapped for public manifestations of the same), but are put at risk themselves for the bank is actually more of a sovereign entity than the sovereign is - at least from an economic footprint perspective. This is what happened in Iceland. If one were to take an empirical look at other nations in Europe, Iceland and Greece are merely the tip of the iceberg. I have warned about this over a year ago regarding Spain and the Spanish banks (see The Spanish Inquisition is About to Begin...), and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

It's the non-performing assets that tell the true story. When there is a run on the bank, the street knows who not to lend to. That is why no one touched Bear and Lehman in 2008! You can clearly see which nation's banks will get ostracized when the choco pudding hits the fan blades.


I have harped on this topic in my previous Pan-European Soverign Debt Crisis post, but let me drive it home again. Greece is merely a test drive by traders and those who are truly concerned about the debt overhang from the global bailout. Yes, it has the highest debt to GDP ratio, but it is closely followed by much larger nations with much worse, and much more immediate debt and NPA issues.

As initially illustrated in my last post on this topic, when pondering the sovereign debt status of Italy, Spain and Ireland, keep in mind how much of their GDP is bogged down by NPAs in their banking systems - and this is what is reported, knowing full well that the reporting is at best, lagged in terms of non-performing assets... 


from http://boombustblog.com/Reggie-Middleton/1311-What-Country-is-Next-in-the-Coming-Pan-European-Sovereign-Debt-Crisis.html


When comparing these sovereigns using metrics that encompass more than the usual suspects, you get a clearer picture. The bank bailouts were expensive, arguably too expensive. It may have been better to let them fail in the market and nationalize them. Notice how the nations with the highest NPAs are doing the worst. In addition, one should remain cognizant that the "extend and pretend" game has allowed hundreds of billions of "phantom" NPAs to roam free in each of these countries' GDPs unrecorded. I believe there may be some surprises left in quite a few of the German banks. We will probably see if I'm right over the next few quarters. See German Recovery Stalls Unexpectedly in Fourth Quarter:German gross domestic product showed no growth in the final quarter of last year, official data showed on Friday, leaving Europe's largest economy on a weak footing going into 2010.

All one really has to to is follow the banking losses. They are deeply concealed in the Spanish banks, but are now coming home to roost (From Bloomberg: BBVA Fourth-Quarter Profit Plunges 94% to $44 Million on Asset Writedowns). 


from http://boombustblog.com/Reggie-Middleton/1313-The-Pan-European-Sovereign-Debt-Crisis-If-I-Were-to-Short-Any-Country-What-Country-Would-That-Be.html last week.

The next one will be on CEE nations which will really be an eye opener.

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