As Pressure In Reactor 3 Builds Again, Here Are The Downstream Effects From The Fukushima Catastrophe

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Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:25 | 1078262 Dan The Man
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bury the damn thing

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:26 | 1078263 tallen
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+1. They should have started sanding and concreting over this a long time ago.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:29 | 1078269 buzzsaw99
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They can't just bury all that spent fuel.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 09:45 | 1078419 Ray1968
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With enough dirt, sand, and concrete you can bury ANYTHING.

Go long concrete.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:50 | 1078606 Diogenes
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How long will it stay buried? It's on one of the most active earthquake regions in the world and it will not be safe to have lying around for at least 25000 years.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 15:07 | 1079283 dick cheneys ghost
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south korea complaining of radiation from China.....yellow dust

 

nakedempire has a new blog.......thanks to zerohedge and the many zerohedge readers who have visited

http://nakedempire2.blogspot.com/

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 16:49 | 1079502 Ben Fleeced
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Buy Italcemente/ESSROC.

Check

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:33 | 1078278 eigenvalue
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But the nuclear radiation will still leak into the water. The best way is to use antimatter bombs to make the whole nuclear plant into a pile of photons!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:44 | 1078302 Gully Foyle
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eigenvalue

"But the nuclear radiation will still leak into the water. The best way is to use antimatter bombs to make the whole nuclear plant into a pile of photons!"

Much simpler solution

The Doctor: I reversed the polarity of the neutron flow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLD03bU5R5M

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 09:02 | 1078328 jeff montanye
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but, but, can it be that simple??!!  aren't neutrons ... neutral with regard to polarity???!!!  can there be some flaw in using dr. who as our science advisor?  please say it ain't so!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 09:31 | 1078390 spanish inquisition
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Right! The Doctor is not enough. We need to add the Men in Black and find the locker the plant is kept. Scoop it out with a spoon, then put it in the tardis and move it into space. The Enterprise can fly cover.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 16:01 | 1079396 serotonindumptruck
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We may need to include Bill Nye "The Science Guy". I'm sure he can explain the particle physics of a reverse neutron flow while mixing red vinegar and baking soda as a visual aid.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 16:52 | 1079509 Ben Fleeced
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buy P&G. Check

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:51 | 1078600 snowball777
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Do you have any idea how much energy is required to create anti-matter, much less "anti-matter bombs"?

Bonus question: at what energy levels would those photons be after the annihilation? (hint: rhymes with jamma)

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 12:38 | 1078941 dark pools of soros
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time to send down the dark matter asteriods

 

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Dark_matter_asteroid.jpg

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 09:03 | 1078331 Sudden Debt
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So right! They should just ask the Bernanke man how to cover stuff up!

ALL FOR NATIONAL SECURITY!!

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 17:24 | 1079553 Math Man
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"Japan has raised the severity rating of the nuclear crisis to level 5 from 4 on the seven-level INES international scale, putting it on a par with the Three Mile Island accident in Pennsylvania in 1979."

Guess how many people died from TMI - exactly ZERO.  The fear mongering needs to stop - it's boarding on insane.  The world is not ending.

You can all stop worrying about Fukushima.  It's not going to be buried, it's not emmiting enough radiation to be harmful to anyone except those in close proximity.

The only thing that is going to be buried is more silver and canned hams in backyards of ZH readers.

 

 

 

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 20:12 | 1079969 Big Corked Boots
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Ham! I knew I forgot something. BRB...

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:27 | 1078264 Mongo
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Radiation is good for ya'

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7Pge9F5SpE

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:34 | 1078283 gimli
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So is Rabies Ann ..... Bite Me.....!

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 15:16 | 1079306 Ruffcut
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Ann says "Yes, you too can survive brain damage,from ocular penetration." 

Frickin alien he-bitch.

"no weener is too big or too small, My adam's apple and stretched out butt hole, can handle them all."

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:32 | 1078267 Rodent Freikorps
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Mutants, Bitchezz.

Maybe the whole tentacle thing will wind up being prophetic.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:31 | 1078272 buzzsaw99
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Drop a sump pump in the supression pool and drain it bitchez!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:32 | 1078281 Rodent Freikorps
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Only the blood of pensioners will cool the core, and save Japan.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 09:01 | 1078326 buzzsaw99
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Buy nuke credits from the squid, that will fix it!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:35 | 1078274 Waterfallsparkles
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I do not think that I will buy any Tuna fish for the next year.  I also would not buy a car that was made in Japan.  It could be radioactive.  I also would not buy any goods shipped from Japan for at least a year as they could be radioactive.

Plus, they are going to be shipping sugar out of Japan?

Looks like that is one way to get rid of all of their radioactive products is to ship them to the US.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:34 | 1078285 Gully Foyle
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Waterfallsparkles

 

Just a car and Tuna?

 

http://www.dailytech.com/Halted+Japanese+Production+Causes+Worldwide+Com...

Halted Japanese Production Causes Worldwide Component Shortages

Case in point: Reuters is reporting that at least two LCD-producing assembly plants in Japan will both be out of commission for at least a month. A Toshiba Corp. plant and a Hitachi Ltd. plant are reported to be halting production of small LCDs. 

Toshiba's plant near Tokyo, which makes LCDs for smartphones, is busy repairing equipment knocked out of alignment by the quake, a Toshiba rep told Reuters. Another Toshiba plant in Japan was undamaged.

"Given that the market for smartphones outside Japan is pretty active, supply disruptions there could cause problems for some handset makers of some models," Damian Thong, an analyst at Macquarie Capital Securities told Reuters. The two Toshiba factories account for an estimated 5 percent of the global small LCD display market, he said.

Toshiba also made some of the reactors at the Fukushima nuclear plant and has experienced a 30 percent drop in its shares this week.

Meanwhile, Lenovo has expressed concerns over its parts supply. "In the short term there won't be much impact. We are more worried about the impact in the next quarter," Lenovo CEO Yang Yuanqing told reporters in Shanghai. Lenovo shares were also down -- 4.1 percent in day trading.

The regional disruptions, which have affected supplies of car parts and semiconductors as well, could threaten global supply chains and impact economic growth around the world. Key suppliers for batteries for notebook computers, such as Sony, have also shut down factories.

"Sony and Sanyo would be two of the key suppliers, and Sony has essentially shut down five or six of its factories in Japan so that's clearly going to cramp the battery supply for notebook PCs, where you see Lenovo making a big push these days. It's going to cast a lot of uncertainty over their Q2 ability to make shipments," Michael Clendenin, managing director of RedTech Advisors, told Reuters.

And it doesn't stop there. Ericsson, Alcatel-Lucent and STMicroelectronics also chimed in with warnings of limited supplies. In response, Taiwan -- whose economy is based largely on the high-tech sector -- has considered cutting tariffs on components if supply shortages continue.

"The impact from the earthquake has been limited as most companies have inventories at hand. But we're closely watching the power disruption situation in Japan. If necessary we'll consider lowering import tariffs on components," Lien Ching-chang, deputy director general of the Industrial Development Bureau of the economics ministry in Taiwan, told Reuters.

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:49 | 1078310 Waterfallsparkles
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So, if you buy an I phone or I pad it could contain radiation.  Then all of the scare tactics about causing brain cancer could come true.

Looks like it will affect Computers and screens for monitors and tv's as well.

What a mess.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:38 | 1078292 Waterfallsparkles
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How about all of the fruits and vegtables from California?

You will need a gieger counter for your lettuce.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:47 | 1078309 Gully Foyle
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Waterfallsparkles

I see California mentioned as getting radiation. But what about the rest of the coast up to Vancouver, and maybe Alaska.

The scary 750 rad map had a large footprint. How did that get downsized to just California?

And someone mentioned the entire Northern hemisphere.

So when does Vancouver get hit? Will the Canucks be more honest? How about Kansas?

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:55 | 1078314 Waterfallsparkles
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That is why I said tuna fish but I guess that could also include King Crab and other fish harvested around Alaska.

Forgot milk and cheese from California.  Remember the happy cow that went to California in that add?  That poor cow is not so happy anymore.

Just blows your mind to think how this could affect so much food and other things.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:00 | 1078446 tmosley
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Just to be safe, I'm going on an all fiat diet.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:53 | 1078608 snowball777
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High fiber. Goes right through you...back from whence it came.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 11:28 | 1078743 Heavy
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Kind of poetic in a "from the dust, to the dust sort" of way.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 13:23 | 1079040 knukles
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The radioactive isotopes ain't gonna stop at the CA-Nevada border.  Getcher lettuce from England?

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 16:18 | 1079429 serotonindumptruck
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Grow it yourself in a backyard greenhouse.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 11:19 | 1078709 franzpick
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Well, I bought 60 more cans last week, doubling the tuna supply in my prep boxes, and will double that if things keep getting worse, then no more after a few weeks.  Stale-date is usually 3.5 years away.

Discovered canned salmon has a higher 5.5 year date, so I'm adding two boxes of that before reports of Pacific/west coast radiation start appearing.  Don't know how long the pipeline is but am already uncomfortable about buying Pacific seafood after a few months.

Been teased about prepping and my boxes of 6 months of stored food (bought on sale) but suddenly it's looking safer and priced right.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:32 | 1078279 Gully Foyle
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Well this is a nifty reminder.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/business-tech/science/110315/nuc...

Gundersen: The chain reaction has stopped. That happened in two seconds. But the radioactive isotopes are still decaying away. They’ll decay for at least a year. So you have to release the pressure from that containment pretty much every day. With releasing the pressure will come releasing radioactive isotopes as well.

So yes, the Times is right that every plant — there are now three or four of them — will be opening up valves every day to make sure the pressure is down. And there will be releases from these plants for at least a year.

GlobalPost: How much of a health threat is that?

Gundersen: Within 90 days, the iodine health risks will disappear, because that will decay away. But the nasty isotopes — the cesium and strontium will remain for 30 years. And they’re volatile.

After Three Mile Island, strontium was detected 150 miles away from the reactor. That ends up in cow’s milk and doesn’t go away for 300 years. The releases from these plants will last for a year, and will contain elements that will remain in the environment for 300 years, even in the best case.

If we have a meltdown, it will be even worse than that.

GlobalPost: The ultimate risk in any nuclear accident is that the heat can grow so intense that the steel containment vessel is ruptured, releasing a large amount of radiation. You say there’s a 50-50 chance of this happening. What kind of health effects can we expect?

Gundersen: First, it’s important to know that this steel containment is about an inch thick. It’s not some massive battleship of steel. The reactor is already open, because the pressure relief valves have to stay open.

On top of that, these containments have already breached. We saw iodine and cesium in the environment before the first unit exploded. When you see that, that’s clearly an indication that the containment has breached.

Now, is it leaking 1 percent a day? Probably. Is it leaking 100 percent a day? No. I think for the neighboring towns out to 2 miles, they won’t have anybody back in them for five years. Out to 15 miles, I doubt you’re going to see anyone back for six months. And that’s in the best case, without a meltdown.

If we have a meltdown, I don’t think anyone will be back within 20 miles for 10 or 15 years.

GlobalPost: What would happen if they did return?

Gundersen: There would be higher incidence of cancer. The groundwater would be contaminated. With a meltdown, you’re worried about surface contamination of everything within miles of the plant, and groundwater contamination as well.

GlobalPost: How far would the ground water contamination spread?

Gundersen: Chernobyl had a meltdown, and that groundwater wedge is gradually working its way toward Kiev, which is a very large city [about 80 miles away]. That groundwater contamination lingers for 300 years. It’s not something that’s easy to mitigate.

GlobalPost: That’s a serious issue in a country like Japan with a large population and a small land area.

Gundersen: That’s right.

GlobalPost: You mentioned that the containment vessels have already been damaged. It appears that officials are reporting the opposite. How do you know you’re right?

Gundersen: We’re seeing iodine and cesium in the environment. That’s an indication that the containments are leaking. Exactly how much they’re leaking it’s hard to say.

I can’t understand how officials can say that the releases are low, when they don’t have any instruments that are working. Their batteries have failed, and when the batteries fail, all of the instruments stop working. So it’s hard to determine what the radiation levels are, and what the pressure levels are.

The Japanese and the nuclear industry are heavily, heavily financially invested in this. My experience is that, after Three Mile Island and after Chernobyl, everybody said there wasn’t a problem, until there was a problem. So I really don’t put much faith in official pronouncements the first week of an accident.

GlobalPost: So the people who have access to information have a self interest in making that information look as benign as possible?

Gundersen: Yes. On top of that, the officials don’t want to provoke a panic. So there’s a financial long term interest to try to minimize the impact. The flip side of that is that in the process you lose transparency. There is no transparency right now. We’re dealing with second hand information.

I understand from one source that the second unit cannot be vented, because the vent is jammed. I don’t know if that’s true or not. I have one source, and I like to have two. But this accident hasn’t played out yet. It could clearly get worse before it gets better.

GlobalPost: When you say the venting system is jammed, does that mean that pressure will keep building up until something catastrophic happens?

Gundersen: Yes.

GlobalPost: That sounds bad. There have been explosions at two of the buildings where the reactors are housed. You used to operate nuclear reactors. Would the control rooms be affected by these explosions? And how do they continue controlling the reactors under these circumstances?

 

Gundersen: Yes. The control rooms have become almost uninhabitable. The operators would have to be in Scott air packs, because the ventilation failed. Otherwise they would be breathing contaminated air. The control room is very close to these reactors. Probably 200 feet away. I doubt there’s much being done in the control rooms. They’re contaminated, and the air is unfit to breathe. It’s very difficult to get anything done if you’re wearing an air pack and a bubble suit.

GlobalPost: So how do they release the pressure? Are they sending people to the reactor to manually do these things?

Gundersen: They’ll send someone out to manually open a valve. And then that person will go back out to manually close a valve. In a high radiation field, there are only so many trips you can make before you’ve exceeded what they call emergency limits. So these people are picking up very large doses in very short periods of time. For their personal health, you can’t send them out again.

So they’re running through the available number of operators to do these high risk maneuvers.

GlobalPost: Is it highly skilled work?

Gundersen: Yes.

 

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78123.html

March 15, Kyodo

Also, a fire occurred around 9:40 a.m. at the plant's No. 4 reactor, where spent nuclear fuels are stored, but it was extinguished later, according to TEPCO. Edano said it was likely caused by another hydrogen explosion.

The nuclear agency said the explosion at the No. 2 reactor may have damaged the ''suppression chamber,'' a facility connected to the reactor's container which is designed to cool down radiation steam and lower the pressure in the reactor. It said a sharp decline in the pressure level of the chamber suggests damage.

Given that the building that houses the No. 2 reactor has already been damaged by Monday's hydrogen blast at the neighboring No. 3 reactor, a spread of radiation outside the plant has become a serious threat, experts say.

In Ibaraki Prefecture, just south of Fukushima, an amount of radiation up to about 100 times the usual level was measured Tuesday morning. In Kanagawa Prefecture, southwest of Tokyo, radiation of up to nine times the normal level was also briefly detected.

The Tokyo metropolitan government also said it has detected a small amount of radioactive materials such as iodine and cesium in the air of the metropolis.

The wind was blowing from north to south when the incidents occurred at the Fukushima plant.

The cores of the No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 reactors at the plant are believed to have partially melted following Friday's magnitude 9.0 earthquake that hit northeastern and eastern Japan.

 

 

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:33 | 1078284 ShankyS
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Planet has now entered a state of Fuckwardation.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:39 | 1078289 Rodent Freikorps
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Thanks, dude. I thought I might just be going mad.

My whole plan now is just to find a secluded valley with good water source. There is nothing left to save, but yourself.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:50 | 1078313 TheGreatPonzi
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I'm also planning my expatriation. 

If you have any ideas I'm open to suggestions. I was personnally thinking about Guatemala. 

You can live cheaply there, the government and the police will leave you alone, and you can acquire a residency/citizenship very quickly, in total anonymity. 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:58 | 1078324 Rodent Freikorps
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I'm planning on El Salvador. I have family there, and they have the highest density of educated workers in Central America.

The hell of it is, in all my travels, I have never felt more free than while...er...visiting El Salvador. Truly good people.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 09:55 | 1078440 eddiebe
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I don't know. I've been coming to Costa Rica for 4 years now every winter for 4 months. I have decided not to buy a property, even though the cost of living here is very affordable and people are friendly and there definitely is more freedom.

 The problem would come when the shit hits the fan.

How would the locals treat obvious gringos then? If you are a norte americano you will all of a sudden be 'persona non grata' and will have to get on the next plane if you can and head north to save your hide. These people are not stupid. They know where their serious money comes from, as long as it comes. They also know who has been exploiting them(and everybody else on the planet) and they will not stop to judge you for the nice person you may be, but only for the color of your skin and the passport you carry.

 So as long as the good times roll, sure this is the place to hang, but not, in my opinion, when the fecal matter hits the ventilator.  Pura vida!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:04 | 1078455 TheGreatPonzi
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This is why it's obviously better to live in gated communities with loyal bodyguards. And it's also better to avoid displaying/transporting wealth in these countries. 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:42 | 1078556 MSimon
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The cost of armed guards more than makes up for the low property costs. And then there is the loyalty thing.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:57 | 1078623 TheGreatPonzi
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All right. I see everybody has his little excuse for not leaving.

You're free to continue to live in the USA and thus paying taxes to the Gov (i.e. financing it).

Rahm Emmanuel and Lloyd Blankfein thank you. You are good serfs.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 16:36 | 1079477 serotonindumptruck
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It's easier to preserve your means of self-defense in the USA.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 22:31 | 1080400 ceilidh_trail
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unless you renounce citizenship, you still have to pay uncle sam- no matter what country you reside in...

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 11:00 | 1078632 Diogenes
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I would say it is important to get in good with the locals. Join the church, and other organizations. Go to parties and social functions. Chip in to local charities (just enough to be a good sport, not enough to look like you are showing off). In other words become part of the community.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 12:20 | 1078866 QQQBall
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IMO safer to lease or rent and keep a bag ready. When the country starts to unravel, just grab your bag and head for the airport or border. Its one thing to talk about being an expartiot, making a big financial committment in Centeral America or whereever sounds great over a few beers, but the reality is a little less sexy if you have to walk away from a chunk of your nest egg.

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