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More On "Chernobyl Solution" At Fukushima As Prime Minister Says Japan Releasing All Information It Has

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Following now pervaseive allegations of a massive Fukushima accident cover up by the Japanese government including non-disclosure of real radioactive levels, the Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan said on Friday that the government has been dislosing all the information it has on the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant according to Reuters. "We have been honestly saying that the situation with the nuclear plant accident remains very serious," he said in a televised address to the Japanese people marking one week since a devastating earthquake and tsunami struck northeast Japan. At this point we are willing to believe him: judging by the increasingly improvised Japanese response to the catastrophe nobody has any idea what is really going on or how to handle it properly. Which is why very expect to hear increasingly more about the "Chernobyl solution" - or the shotgun "resolution" of the problem by literally burying it in sand. From Reuters: "A "Chernobyl solution" may be the last resort for dealing with Japan's stricken nuclear plant, but burying it in sand and concrete is a messy fix that might leave part of the country as an off-limits radioactive sore for decades. Japanese authorities say it is still too early to talk about long-term measures while cooling the plant's six reactors and associated fuel-storage pools, comes first. "It is not impossible to encase the reactors in
concrete, but our priority right now is to try and cool them down
first," a Tokyo Electric Power official told a briefing on Friday.
" Alas if and when the plan to restore power to blown up cooling plants (has anyone actually seen the before and after pics of the reactor) fails, this will be the only option.

From Reuters:

"It's just not that easy," Murray Jennex, a professor at San Diego State University in California, said when asked about the so-called Chernobyl option for dealing with damaged reactors, named after the Ukrainian nuclear plant that exploded in 1986.

"They (reactors) are kind of like a coffee maker. If you leave it on the heat, they boil dry and then they crack," he said.

"Putting concrete on that wouldn't help keep your coffee maker safe. But eventually, yes, you could build a concrete shield and be done with it."

Experts say the cores at the six battered reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant, 240 km (150 miles) north of Tokyo, are likely to be safely contained, but worry about the cooling pools for spent fuel, one of which contains plutonium.

So far, authorities have failed to cool the pools, where normally water circulates continuously, keeping racks of spent nuclear fuel rods at a benign temperature.

Helicopters and water cannon trucks have dumped tonnes of water on the reactors, but still the water in the pools is evaporating and the rods are heating up. It is also feared that the quake has smashed the rods into each other, which could cause a nuclear reaction.

"It is not impossible to encase the reactors in concrete, but our priority right now is to try and cool them down first," a Tokyo Electric Power official told a briefing on Friday.

The only problem with the Chernobyl Solution is that it doesn't really ever work out quite as planned.

 At Chernobyl, an army of workers conscripted by the then Soviet government buried the reactor in tonnes of sand, then threw together a concrete container known as the "sarcophagus" within months of the fire and explosion there.

It failed to set properly and it cracked, leaking radiation into the atmosphere and water. Partly supported by the damaged walls of the reactor building, it has had to be reinforced.

Under a new plan for Chernobyl, a massive structure will be assembled away from the reactor at a cost of billions of dollars, then slid into place over the existing sarcophagus.

Chernobyl-style methods would be even more difficult at Fukushima Daiichi, given the number of reactors involved.

As Japanese officials have said, cooling is still the top priority. Pouring sand onto hot fuel could theoretically produce glass, and that same heat would prevent working on a durable concrete shell.

That means the stricken complex is likely to become an open sore, leaking radioactive particles into the atmosphere, for weeks and possibly months before the Chernobyl solution could even be implemented.

Authorities say radiation outside the Japanese plant is not high enough to cause harm. Still, the 20 km (12 mile) exclusion zone around the plant may end up as a permanent no-man's land, a major problem for small, populous country.

A 30 km (19 mile) exclusion zone remains around Chernobyl.

There is supposedly good news though...

Tokyo, though, is likely to remain largely unscathed no matter what happens because of its distance from the reactors, no matter how nervous its citizens may be.

It is not accidental that the nuclear plant was built so far away from Japan's biggest city, said Yuki Karakawa, international coordinator at the International Association of Emergency Managers, an extension of the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency.

"Those reactors in Fukushima are there for Tokyo's power and Tokyo's benefit, not for Fukushima's," he added. "After all, Tokyo is more than 200 kilometres away."

We wonder which expert was consulted on the "Tokyo is safe" determination considering the prime minister of the crisis stricken country still has no idea what is going on. But yes, massive media propaganda certainly was another side effect of the Chernobyl Solution, and unfortunately so were up to a million deaths.

 

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Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:25 | 1070659 LowProfile
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Mish reporting a 'news flash' that pumps restarted at one reactor, B-berg reporting power attempting to be restored to a pump at Fukushima Dai-Ichi power plant.

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/03/risk-of-meltdown-decr...

Anybody want to give odds at this point?

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:28 | 1070679 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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I'll give you odds. Odds are that concrete will crack during major earthquakes.

Confucius say: pools with cracks will wikileak.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:51 | 1070773 johnQpublic
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Confront them with annihilation, and they will then survive; plunge them into a deadly situation, and they will then live. When people fall into danger, they are then able to strive for victory. Sun Tzu

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:55 | 1070792 imapopulistnow
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Man who fly upside down have crack up (anon)

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:05 | 1070840 I think I need ...
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i'm not saying your wrong but its concrete and sand so the sand won't crack

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:22 | 1070895 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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I'm not saying that you're wrong either because I do not have the capacity to argue in this arena but the coolant went somewhere else, no?

And depending on your answer, why did the coolant leak?

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:27 | 1070915 morph
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Well evidently the photos of the nuclear site say other wise. Even the exterior of the plant, which is no where near as ruggedised as the containment is in okay shape. It is the explosions that blew things apart. The containment is at least a few feet thick.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:52 | 1071008 whatsinaname
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The Chernobyl solution ? Well, sorry to say but the sarcophagus at Chernobyl seems to be falling apart. And Belarus & Ukraine have neither the will nor money to fix that problem. Guess what ? Cherny monster is still alive !!

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 12:26 | 1071838 trav7777
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Mish reporting a 'news flash' that pumps restarted at one reactor, B-berg reporting power attempting to be restored to a pump at Fukushima Dai-Ichi power plant.

Absolutely huge if true...don't have any information upon which to assess the veracity of the claim.

If it is true, I will be absolutely furious that they let a simple matter of loss of power cause a catastrophe of this magnitude.  Watch this be a bureaucractic failure, not a technology one.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 13:11 | 1072036 JW n FL
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Tsunami / Eart Quake Area..

Where did they build the pumps? that run on electric power? Sea Level.

What happens when sea water touches electricity?

What happens when diesel is mixxed with sea water?

What happened to the idiot who signed off on this design? the reactors and building (for the most part) are high and dry.

and then the costs to fix this? after they figured out they were in an EarthQuake / Tsunami area? even with the 2 decades of 0% money from BoJ they could not afford a fix? on a 20 + year old plant? built in late 1980's - 1990's monies?

 

The plant was built wrong to begin with.. and then it stayed wrong for decades and decades..

 

It is everyone's fault.. it is what is wrong with the World as a whole.

 

Common Sense, does NOT apply anywhere.. where it could / maybe / possibly affect the bottom line.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:25 | 1070672 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Spin baby! Fukushima Spin.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:24 | 1070673 orca
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Market rumor out there that Goldman Sachs may bid for Japan

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:36 | 1070699 whatsinaname
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They very well might bid for Japan at this rate.

Meanwhile, a Chernobyl solution may also mean Chernobyl consequnces especially for children. The PTB through out the world should look at Cherny children's videos before they gung ho on new "nukulear" projects.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:14 | 1070873 ArgentDawn
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All energy production involves destruction and death except solar and that doesn't cut it.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:08 | 1071097 Ident 7777 economy
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except solar

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On top of that, what about the production of the solar devices ... esp. solar cells, doesn't this process use processes similar to those used in semiconductor fabrication? Clean rooms for processing, acid baths for etching ...  and all?

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 11:02 | 1071437 Byte Me
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Extra extra annual bonus on posting to Tokyo??

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:24 | 1070675 sabra1
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for all these corps. licking their chops, at the fortune to be made in rebuilding, forget about it! these people will have to be relocated, no rebuilding will ever take place within 100 miles!

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:28 | 1070681 jbc77
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Even if they manage to plug in their extension cord, who's to say those pumps even work anymore and if they do will they work properly. From the pictures I've seen doesn't look like anything works in that twisted pile of metal and debris.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:29 | 1070682 cossack55
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Is anyone asking why they have 30 years worth of spent rods just sitting around in hot tubs. WTF?

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:32 | 1070691 Bob
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My WAG: Could it be the cheapest solution by any chance? 

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:46 | 1070747 velobabe
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obvious solution to any problem now a days, self storage.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:49 | 1070764 Scisco
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Only the cheapest if you know that if something goes wrong, you would not be held accountable and the government will bail you out.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:49 | 1070761 Blankman
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The rods worked real hard and now need an extended vacation.  Lazy ass rods.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 11:15 | 1071483 ElvisDog
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I read it was partly a matter of security. They could keep them all in one place and use the same security measures that are used for the plant itself. A better question is why weren't the spent rods reprocessed into additional fuel that would help use up more of the plutonium content of the rods?

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 12:29 | 1071853 trav7777
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where were the rods supposed to go?

The politicos and the idiot public have gridlocked any attempt at more permanent solution.

The better question is to ask how many plants worldwide feature colocation of permanent SFPs and reactors

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:30 | 1070684 Seasmoke
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dead zone

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:31 | 1070686 SDRII
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meanwhile slaughter in yemen, pakistan wants an apology from US for drone strikes, iraqis protests actions in Bahrain

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:36 | 1070702 ColonelCooper
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We don't care about that anymore.  That was yesterday's bullish news.  Sheesh.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 11:16 | 1071497 ElvisDog
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You know what I think is funny? The spoiled babies in Wisconsin have been totally knocked off the news cycle. It looks like their 15 minutes is over.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:33 | 1070690 Oh regional Indian
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Extension cord failure? Chinooks took it on the....chin?

I think tomorrow's supertidal forces are going to shake things a little. Possibly a lot. 

Perhaps in the aftermath is when any real decisions are going to be made.

Anyone who thinks that is un-scientific needs to scroogle supermoon and see it's historical asskicke sto hum-unkind.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/archetypal-astrology-from-cathartes-aura/

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:41 | 1070730 cossack55
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Damn it, ORI. Stop trying to confuse people with historical facts. If it doesn't fit their MIT computer model it won't happen.  Shheeesh.  Who the hell ever heard of Georges Santayana anyway?

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:40 | 1070960 Oh regional Indian
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Heh! Funny thing is, when you say Santayana, I'm sure a lot of people will think "Oye Como Va and Black Magic Woman".

;-)

ORI

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:41 | 1070731 Bob
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Yeah, my idle research found that mainstream geologists acknowledge "only" a 1% increase in the continental tidal response.  It doesn't sound like much . . . when everything is stable. 

Problem is that stable doesn't seem to describe our situation.  I'm wondering if that slight shift of the planet on its axis as a result of the Japan quake might introduce an additional wild card.  Previous balance was attained over thousands of years at a slightly different attitude wrt the axis. 

I guess we'll soon find out. 

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:17 | 1070879 ColonelCooper
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Yes.  Jim Berkland was basically drummed out of the USGS for not being completely "scientific" about his predictions.  Maybe it was because "science" didn't fully explain why he was right.  He is calling for earthquake window to open tomorrow for West Coast. 

He was censured by USGS for making that same call in 1989.  Funny, he was right.  Nail on the head right.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:08 | 1070859 ColonelCooper
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ORI - In addition to the moon: Jupiter and Saturn are nearing solar opposition. (Maybe this was referenced by CA, I don't understand much of the astrological meaning...)  This is in effect two large gravitational forces pulling on the sun from opposite sides, in what is already a very active solar cycle.  We are going to be hit by the peak of solar energy from an M class flare tonight/tomorrow.  Equinox tides, supermoon, solar flares, whales beaching themselves in places they aren't even supposed to be, an already disturbed Pacific plate....  The tinfoil on my head is giving off sparks.

 

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:54 | 1071022 Byte Me
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And with Uranus entering Aries recently things are unpredictable...

 

(Gotta have a getout clause..)

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:07 | 1071092 Oh regional Indian
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ColonelC, you are absolutely right and no, planetary body oppositions and placements (as in the jupiter and Saturn ones) are not the stuff of astrology, not literally at any rate.

I was walking on my terrace, looking at the almost full moon (it's early evening here in india) and thinking the same thing, CME is due. Everything seems "charged" up. Liek a giant Super-capacitor.

I'm keeping my tinfoil grounded to avoid said sparkiness. Just sitting back and watching.

ORI

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:34 | 1070694 NumberNone
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Japan apparently has a pretty poor track record of being honest about nucular power.  I'm sure they are being 100% honest this time.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-17/japan-s-nuclear-disaster-caps-decades-of-faked-safety-reports-accidents.html

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:55 | 1070758 Bob
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While its tempting to focus upon this issue as a Japanese question, has there ever been an incident in world history where corporate interests haven't minimized actual risk of externalities--anywhere at any time under any conditions whatsoever? 

The corporate person is a flaming sociopath.  He's like the molestor up the street who always brings toys and candy for the kids at the block parties. 

Strangely enough, some experts are saying that the widely accepted belief that the SOTUS addressed and resolved the question of corporations having status as "persons" is absolutely untrue:

Unequal Protection, Part I: Corporations Take Over

http://www.truth-out.org/unequal-protection-the-deciding-moment68397

It's a long article that begs for attention from the lawyers. 

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:07 | 1070846 Byte Me
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+

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:59 | 1071047 MachoMan
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It's pretty simple in most regards...  you just have to understand that: (a) objectivity is an impossibility within the human condition; (b) despite our best efforts, humans, even historical scholars aren't that great at history [bias]; and (c) these lead to a "results oriented" judiciary.  You want to see how a divergence in the law is created?  Look no further than the pathetic resolve of the judiciary to find and apply pre-existing law.  Obviously some courts are better than others...

But, make no mistake about it...  even if we resolve ourselves to being result oriented, we still must have a reasonable basis for making each and every decision.  Similarly to the legislature, the judiciary can also utilize small building blocks (individual cases) to eventually lead to establishing a rule that is completely contrary to the purpose of anything reasonable.  I think this concept is admittedly prevalent in the dormant commerce clause expansion and more recent backtrack.  [see united haulers].

In the end, I speculate that a similar backtrack will be had for corporate status and privilege.  [but then again, I can't fathom how it's gotten this far already].  Can't see the forrest for the trees.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:18 | 1071165 Bob
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Apparently, from the article I linked, the original citation that other courts have subsequently relied upon, effectively does not exist as claimed.  Weird stuff.

Your lawyerly feedback appreciated, MachoMan!

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:36 | 1070703 proLiberty
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This shows there is ongoing risk when spent fuel is kept at the reactor site when it could be moved to buried storage in some distant desert mountain. Yet, thanks to the opposition in Nevada, we have stopped work on the Yucca Mountain storage facility and every nuclear power plant in the US keeps all of its spent fuel onsite. That's one more issue for a new Congress to examine.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:05 | 1070839 FilthyLucre
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Why the f would Congress look at that issue? Its way too hard. Then again the lobbyists would most probably be willing to pay a whole lot for the right outcome. More bread and circuses?

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:06 | 1070842 buzzsaw99
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The vast majority of waste all over the world is stored on site. Do you blame Nevada for not wanting the entire world's nuclear waste? That is like a metric buttload of toxic chit yah. nimby my ass, what's in it for me mofo?

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:06 | 1071099 Byte Me
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what's in it for me mofo?

An extra sibling for your bril avatar perhaps?? ;-)

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:47 | 1070993 Die Weiße Rose
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The Japanese Volcano ShinmoeDake on the southern tip Island of Kyushu just Erupted,maybe they could have buried their spent fuel Rods there ?

Some of that Fuel is funky Moxo Fuel, a Mix of Plutonium and Uranium...

Plutonium,with a half life of 80 million years would make a great fireworks display during a volcanic eruption. Who was the genius building Nuke reactors in the deadliest Earth-Quake Zone ?

GE  designed the reactors and with a little PR from the ever more greedy and corrupt Nuclear Industry,who have a history of putting profits before safety,the deal was in the bag

at a bargain price,with a few storage short-cuts of course for the 115 tons of spent unstable Fuel Rods right on top of Nuke Reactor 4. Brilliant, pure Genius,Einstein would be proud !

Uranium shares went up by 10% today in Australia, so I guess things must be

"better than expected" in Japan ?

if you invested in Uranium, that is.If not, tough luck - you are fucked !

We all have to die one day,some just more slowly and painfully than others.

as long as the recovery is on track,never mind that your ground water is toxic and

your cows give green Milk.

The Elite Casino and the post GFC Economic Recovery is all that counts.

Fuck all the rest,including you and your families -

Why do I have this constant feeling that I am living on a planet

of greedy, ignorant and stupid fools ?

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:11 | 1071117 Ident 7777 economy
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GE designed the reactors and with a little PR from the ever more greedy and corrupt Nuclear Industry,who have a history of putting profits before safety,the deal was in the bag

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Forty years of electricity production and one Tsunami later and this is the conclusion?

Oooo-kaaaaay ...

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:35 | 1071276 Die Weiße Rose
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So what are you saying ? Chernobyl never happened ? 3 Mile Island never happened ?

Hiroshima and Nagasaki never happened ?

There is some shit that humans are better off without,no matter what

cost or Profit. Where is Japans profit now, from going Nuclear ?

If you want to control carbon dioxide,plant some trees,stop ripping down Rain forrests and go solar or wind or Hydro...but don't go for greedy shit that poisons the food we eat and the water we drink.Fuck that arrogant greedy attitude,Nuclear power was and will never be safe! It is the most unsave and toxic of all Industries.So fuck you with your 40 years of electricity,I'd rather go back to candle-light in a cave,than put up with your vision of progress ! To fuck up the world and nature is not progress,it is criminal terrorism and murder by the Nuclear Industry,who tell everyone it is safe,just to make more profit.

If it is safe,then why are they taking 6 days to even take a look at the explosions ?

I have to stop now,before I get mad! Fuck you !

Japan's nuclear accident evokes Chernobyl memory

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/indepth/2011-03/18/c_13785896.htm

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:50 | 1071357 Tom Servo
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So, what kind of vehicle do you drive?  Or are you a low-footprint "steward of the earth"?  I don't think you'd much like the life of a subsistence farmer.

 

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 11:00 | 1071385 Ident 7777 economy
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Die Weiße Rose, I don't understand - why all the italics?

Are you quoting someone?

(This is almost as bad AS ALL CAPS in a post.)

FWIW, can't take you seriesoly when you 'F U' somebody in italics ... just doesn't fit somehow ... again, almost as BAD AS ALL CAPS IN A POST.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 11:02 | 1071425 ColonelCooper
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"I'd rather go back to candle-light in a cave,than put up with your vision of progress !"

Do you really mean that?  If so more power to you, but what are you actually doing to achieve that?  If you tell me you recycle your water bottles and buy overpriced bullshit organics at the grocery store, which you load into your car and haul them home where you store them in your refridgerator, than you are still a part of the problem you rail against.

Are you okay with the die off of population that your candle lit cave world would bring about?  Can you make a candle?  Out of tallow from the deer you killed?  Can you salt and dry meat?  Ferment vegetables in stoneware?  Have you ever felled a tree with an axe?  Worked up a garden big enough to feed your family for a year, with a shovel?  Dried vegetables in the sunlight?  Speared a fish?

I'm not trying to flame you, because I agree with your premise for the most part.  I simply find that MOST people who feel the way you do are wholly incapable of living in the world they wish for.  I'm just asking you if you really mean what you say.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 14:48 | 1072625 Ruffcut
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Are you okay with the die off of population that your candle lit cave world would bring about?  Can you make a candle?  Out of tallow from the deer you killed?  Can you salt and dry meat?  Ferment vegetables in stoneware?  Have you ever felled a tree with an axe?  Worked up a garden big enough to feed your family for a year, with a shovel?  Dried vegetables in the sunlight?  Speared a fish?"

No but did stay at holiday Inn express last night.

Really, this stone age scenerio is remote from this argument.

These corrupt assholes make all the profit and the nearby residents absorb ALL OF THE RISK.

How in the hell do you trust these credos of crime in the profitable financial arena to properly handle very dangerous and complex energy processes? Really!

No one can be all pro nukie where they don't live on one. Put you ass where you mouth is, in these time bomb locations.

I live within 40 miles of one and don't like it, never did and never will.

Oh, and "conservatives" back nuclear energy.

Just for basic definition; what is so conservative about high risk? It sounds more like being very liberal with risk.

United we stand, divided we fall and boy we be a fallin.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 15:27 | 1072840 ColonelCooper
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Don't attempt to rope me into a "groupthink" category, it isn't that simple and I won't play that game.  I'd be the first one to stand up and clap if we shut down every one of the damn things tomorrow.  He was the one who brought up the candle in the cave, and I called him out on it.  Why would I be the first one to clap?  Because I have lived off grid, and am more than ready and willing to do it again.  Most people I talk to aren't.  Not even close.

Keep in mind that I'm really broadbrushing this because it would take many cases of bourbon to have a REAL discussion about how I feel on this: 

I just feel that too many people (not necessarily saying he's one of them, just asking for clarification) think emotionally and not rationally.  Right now, on this planet we use every last iota of the cheapest energy available, and we are broke.  If you want to shut down nuclear, fine, but what is your alternative?  He said caves and candles.  I understand he was speaking figuratively not literally.  Solar? We can't afford it, and it isn't as green as it's made out to be.  Wind?  Not reliable enough, can't afford it.  Hydro?  Great if you live by a river.  Burn more coal?  Environmentalists will howl, and it too is a non renewable resource.  Nat Gas?  Plentiful and cleanER, but non renewable and expensive. 

The dirty little secret that nobody wants to talk about is that we can't afford to feed, clothe and house the people we have right now at the lifestyle that Westerners have come to EXPECT.  The world's economy is hanging on the edge of one helluva cliff.  Shut the nukes down, I personally don't care.  In many ways I'd prefer it. I just don't think most people think it past the first step.  If that's what we're going to do, then we had all better plan on some serious consumption haircuts; seperating plastics and turning your t-stat down five degrees ain't gonna cut it.

I also find an irony in the hysteria that ensues after an event like Japan, hysteria amongst people who aren't even directly affected by it.  The idea that we are destroying the planet seems somewhat ludicrous when nature has just shown us it can bat us away like a gnat on our arm.  If we continue on our path, we will destroy ourselves.  In the big scheme of things, the planet will recover.  Maybe there will be a few people left to try to live with nature, instead of in spite of it.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 17:08 | 1073393 Ruffcut
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General Cooper,

Yes you have promoted.

"Environmentalists will howl, and it too is a non renewable resource."

This is a flaw of opinion. I have gone through this power base, and can't find one. Environmentalists like the sierra club?

Alaska drilling, with full repubician prez, congress and hungry consumers like us?

WHO WERE THESE PEOPLE? Please name them. Fuk, I can't even find them. I bet they are terrorist also.

We all need to get hooked up , and sift though the bullshit.

And do they like you going off grid? It is their worse nightmare.

Financial, self substaining, and energy independance!!!!!

HOW DARE YOU!

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 15:34 | 1072878 ColonelCooper
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Oh and BTW,

"No one can be all pro nukie where they don't live on one. Put you ass where you mouth is, in these time bomb locations.

I live within 40 miles of one and don't like it, never did and never will."

Don't be pissed at me because of where you live.  I have a very easy, one word solution for you: Move.  I'm not being a dick, I'm serious.    My ass is where my mouth is, not living next to or downwind of a nuke plant.

 

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 11:51 | 1071658 Boxed Merlot
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GE designed the reactors and with a little PR...

 

Yep, and here in California we're continuing to live the dream.  GE, they still "Bring Good Things To Life".

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:27 | 1071215 h3m1ngw4y
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hilflos

stupidity reigns supreme, ignorance is bliss, the best option is to let the world go to complete waste. hardship breeds intelligence and community.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:37 | 1070707 AUD
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Interesting though long article

www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23764

I tend to agree with him. That explosion was fucking huge, the chances of anything other than a complete radioactive disaster are negligible.

They're probably just squirting water on what's left of the reactors for the cameras.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:13 | 1071130 Ident 7777 economy
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Right; 'optic event' ...

 

/sarc

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:16 | 1071157 Die Weiße Rose
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That water evaporated before it even hit the ground...

4 missions were flown, 3 missed their target completely.

Then the operation was abandoned,because its futility was just too blindingly obvious.

www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23764

thanks for posting this article above AUD, and thank god for the Internet,

without it I would be a mere Mushroom glowing in the dark -

and feeding on Corporate sponsored Bullshit.

Thanks also to Zero Hedge for doing an excellent job. ;)

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 11:03 | 1071423 Ident 7777 economy
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From the 'friendly suggestion' dept: Dump the italics if you want to be taken seriously ...

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 11:07 | 1071362 Ident 7777 economy
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Read the article; sets up a nice "prosecutor's case" against nuclear, but, he had to either to stretch the truth in places, 'extrapolate circumstances' or ignore actual facts of other events (some of which have turned out to be non-events like the 'declared emergency' at Onagawa Nuclear power plant which was declared to have been radiation from coming Fukushima I instead).

Long story short: fairly well-written piece, but, inaccurate in a number of places and it's clear 'he has an agenda'.

All IMHO of course.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:36 | 1070709 viator
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They have thirty years of spent fuel rods hanging around because anti-nuclear forces have for the most part prevented the reprocessing and storage of nuclear waste. US nuclear plants also have all their nuclear waste sitting around in pools. The execption is France where thay have an advanced reprocessing inductry. The French get 80% of their power from nuclear reactors.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:07 | 1070848 Reptil
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At some point the french spent fuel is useless. It then gets shipped from the plant at Le Havre to Russia, where it disappears.

Abacadabra..... problem gone.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:02 | 1071068 MachoMan
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And dumped off the african coast?

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:15 | 1071149 Oh regional Indian
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Bingo Macho. If only more people knew about the reason behind Somali piracy.

EU schmucks have some baaaaaad karma on their hands.

ORI

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:06 | 1070849 buzzsaw99
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One day France will nuke itself and then they can come live with you.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:31 | 1071241 h3m1ngw4y
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how sad is a energy technology which produces spent fuel which cant be stored anywhere safely and needs constant cooling. i think it is time to take this fakt into consideration.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:38 | 1070714 pacu44
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Nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure...

 

Game over man! Game over!!

 

 

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:32 | 1071245 h3m1ngw4y
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this is ripley out

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:37 | 1070715 velobabe
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glass blowing cement mixen, bitches.

damn, it doesn't get any finer then making glass while mixing in some cement.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:39 | 1070724 velobabe
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2000 degree Fahrenheit. i still want to go to japan. i am a pyromaniac.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:44 | 1070744 Byte Me
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As a nuclear power farm -- not so bad

- It didn't collapse under a 5x stronger than designed EQ

- It withstood a 30' "harbour wave"

So it wouldn't be so bad if the site hadn't ALSO been used as a defacto spent fuel dumping ground. That's the design whoopsie. Burying the reactors -- maybe. But you have to get 11000 spent fuel bundles out first, leaving them there is not an option that makes sense. All that THAT leaves you/us with is a non-processed fuel dump on a coastal site in a tectonically active region with the bonus of leachout to the biosphere of densely populated nation / marine area.

 

again:

http://www.digitalglobe.com/downloads/featured_images/japan_earthquakets...

 

What the fuck is the flotsam in the inner harbours????

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:10 | 1071114 jomama
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on the plus side- when all is said and done, we can accurately measure the level of radiation exposure by analyzing the cell walls of all those trees in that area...

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:11 | 1071121 Convolved Man
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Ding

What are shards of plastic and styrofoam , Alex?

Ooohh no, I'm sorry.  We are looking for a complete answer, and you left out irradiated dead fish and seagulls.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:40 | 1071301 Byte Me
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Yeah.

I thought it was styrofoam -- til you tumble that -

It wasn't there yesterday

http://www.flickr.com/photos/digitalglobe-imagery/5531426810/

..and the pices are pretty big

Surely they ain't had a nocturnal 'ant army' à la Chernobyl -- and those are the ants' hard hats...

Hey! maybe the buildings were insulated with asbestos.. how could I have missed that fine GE bolt-on extra.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 12:34 | 1071872 trav7777
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this was a pretty big natural disaster.  Saw a CNN thing on one of these cities, had a fucking TEN METER tsunami seawall.  The wave just went over the top of it.

Surely someone will bitch WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST MAKE IT TWENTY...

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 14:02 | 1072296 krispkritter
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Looks like reflections off wind-addled water. Note how it's in rippled 'sheets' and there are star-like reflections appear as pinpoint dots. It doesn't cover the entire surface because of the angle of the shot.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:46 | 1070750 jomama
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i miss when TD used to be able to spell correctly.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:08 | 1070860 buzzsaw99
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when was that?

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:46 | 1070751 SDRII
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10 yr flashes up

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:48 | 1070762 prophet
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Cover Up!

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:50 | 1070766 viator
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The blue text at the bottom says, "Fukushima #1 Nuclear Plant #3 Reactor: Japan Self-Defense Force (SDF) has restarted water pumps (at 2:03 pm)"

http://modernmarketingjapan.blogspot.com/2011/03/success-nhk-confirms-th...

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:03 | 1070826 JimboJammer
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Plan  A   build  and  run  a  nuke  power  plant.

 

Plan  B   if  it  overheats  and meltsdown,

                   there  is  no  plan.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:05 | 1070845 JimboJammer
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the  next  big  crisis....

Earth Quake  at  the  California  Coast.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:19 | 1070887 TruthInSunshine
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Don't worry. This will not be a problem. They will miraculously keep any leakage of radiation at bay (or at least any news of any serious leakage), until after 4 p.m., which just so happens to coincide with market closing.

Look for major problems and revelations to be reported from 4 pm est through 9:15 am est on Monday, just prior to market open, at which time more Hopium will be found and infused into the reactors.

Hopium is more powerful and has stronger real world effects than all the uranium, plutonium and cesium combined.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:48 | 1070924 Incubus
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Belief will always precede reality.  "Truth" doesn't matter; faith in a version of truth is all that is needed to make human systems work. 

Our entire system of values is based on belief and the willingness to accept versions of truth.  So yes, facts do not matter.  How you spin it, and how you present to the labor resource pool, well that's what matters. 

A "fact" is that we (average people) are nothing more than units of labor.  We're resources to be utilized in the rich person's grand scheme. The average person's hopes and dreams don't really matter: we're given our system of values, and we're nothing more than 'domesticated' units that are at the mercy of whatever arbitrated environment that we popped out of our mothers, into.

We're born, we believe, we die.  And that's that.  So, paint the canvas as you will, with shades of hope and ambition.  In the end, it doesn't really matter, anyway.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:56 | 1071023 Bastiat
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I don't believe.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:36 | 1070935 writingsonthewall
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All you need to watch is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zByDY-nPNJc

...and then this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omyOnaKxbas

 

Two parts of the same documentary - first part showing how close we actually came to a catastrophe (I didn't even know that nuclear reactors could create H-bomb explosions) and the second showing how the world conspired to cover it all up by reducing the number of deaths so the public wouldn't reject the new fleet of Nuclear power stations.

The real damage for the Russian people was not the radiation - but the lies told to cover it up. A problem which still seems to be an issue today.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:08 | 1071101 whatsinaname
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To make matters worse, the sarcophagus at Cherny is in pretty bad shape and is being held up with patchwork.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 12:39 | 1071890 trav7777
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nuclear reactors cannot create H-bomb explosions.

Google teller-ulam, just do yourself a favor.  Drop the conspiracy tinfoil sites and just read encyclopedias.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 10:44 | 1071326 AldoHux_IV
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These world 'leaders' have failed time after time in dealing with crises-- it's about time they start being more upfront and not so concerned about how the newsflow will affect the already manipulated market.

At this point, solve the damn issue and help your fellow countrymen who are starved, cold, and exposed to high levels of radiation.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 11:10 | 1071461 rapidsingleflux
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The earth's axis shifts with all major seismic events, last time was the Chilean earthquake in 2010. But there is definitely an increased chance for earthquakes in the next month. The span stretches into April because of a combination of the super-moon and increased solar activity/winds.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 12:49 | 1071936 Simple.Machine
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Forgive me if this is a repost, I looked and didn't find it.

Since they are thorwing around phrases such as the "Chernobyl Solution" thought it is applicable.  This is a NOVA special on the conditions of the Chernobyl site a few years ago;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KeSXMTzt6M&feature=related

 

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 14:12 | 1072342 10kby2k
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The above ground encapsulation will be easy......its the below ground and under the reactor site that will be difficult and costly.  The radiation can't be allowed to go down into the water table.  This entire site and a 5-10 mile radius will be wasteland.

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