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Problems at 6 Japanese Nuclear Reactors ... 2 Have Already Likely Melted Down
Early this morning, the Fukushima I nuclear power plant melted down. See this.
Now, MSNBC reports:
A partial meltdown is likely under way at second quake-stricken nuclear reactor [the Fukushima III reactor], Japan's top government spokesman said Sunday.
Fuel
rods were briefly exposed and radiation levels briefly rose above the
legal limit at the nuclear plant where both reactors are located, said
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano.
His statement came after
Japan's largest electric utility started releasing steam Sunday at the
second nuclear reactor while trying to stop a meltdown that began a day
earlier in another.
MSNBC also notes
that "the government [is] warning there could be an explosion at a
second reactor [i.e. plant number 3] crippled by Friday's devastating
earthquake."
BBC points out that a meltdown at number 3 could be more serious than number 1, because it uses plutonium as well as uranium:
The plant’s operator says pressure is rising inside reactor No. 3 after it lost its emergency cooling system.
A similar problem led to a blast at the plant’s No. 1 reactor on Saturday. …
But the BBC’s Chris Hogg in Tokyo says the second reactor is a different type which uses MOX (plutonium plus uranium) fuel and the consequences of a problem there are potentially more severe.
Hopefully, the problems at the 4 other troubled Japanese nuclear reactors will be contained.
Many experts have said the disaster is not as bad as Chernobyl. But Forbes' William Pentland notes, nuclear expert Kevin Kamp says:
"Given
the large quantity of irradiated nuclear fuel in the pool, the
radioactivity release could be worse than the Chernobyl nuclear reactor
catastrophe of 25 years ago.”
And the Telegraph writes:
Tokyo,
at least, appeared to have got away without the scale of casualties
seen in other parts of Japan. That was before news of an explosion, and
warnings of a possible "meltdown", at the Fukushima nuclear power
plant. As the evening turned to night, the world's second-largest
metropolis was still waiting to know whether it had been exposed to
what would be perhaps the world's worst nuclear disaster.
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After Fuk #3 blows, Anderson Cooper ask where the reactor is...someone off camera say in the south...AC then asks which way the wind is blowing...again, from off camera, from the south....Nervous he asks if he can get the heck out of dodge....MSM is hilarious.....
Have to seperate the article into two because losing paragraph function.
The purpose is to create a public panic on nuclear pollution that will justif the coming slaughter of a "nuclear terror attack".
[quote] CIA Spy Captured Giving Nuclear Bomb To Terrorists Posted by EU Times on Feb 11th, 2011 // 218 Comments ------------- While all eyes in the West are currently trained on the ongoing revolution taking place in Egypt, Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) is warning that the situation on the sub-continent has turned “grave” as it appears open warfare is about to break out between Pakistan and the United States.----------------- Fueling this crisis, that the SVR warns in their report has the potential to ignite a total Global War, was the apprehension by Pakistan of a 36-year-old American named Raymond Allen Davis (photo), whom the US claims is one of their diplomats, but Pakistani Intelligence Services (ISI) claim Raymond Davis is a spy for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Davis was captured by Pakistani police after he shot and killed two men in the eastern city of Lahore on January 27th that the US claims were trying to rob him. ------------- Pakistan, however, says that the two men Davis killed were ISI agents sent to follow him after it was discovered he had been making contact with al Qaeda after his cell phone was tracked to the Waziristan tribal area bordering Afghanistan where the Pakistani Taliban and a dozen other militant groups have forged a safe haven and former CIA agent Tim Osman (also known as Osama bin Laden) is believed to be in hiding. -------------------------- The combat skills exhibited by Davis, along with documentation taken from him after his arrest, prove, according to this report, his being a member of the feared American Task Force 373 (TF373) black operations unit currently operating in the Afghan War Theater and Pakistani tribal areas comprised of US Military Special Forces Soldiers, CIA spies and freelance mercenaries. Further information about Davis discovered by the Times of India includes: ……………. http://www.eutimes.net/2011/02/cia-spy-captured-giving-nuclear-bomb-to-terrorists/ [/quote]Scary as hell? Absolutely.
Surprising? Not in the least.
My article has been moved to the top so that people would miss it. I post it again. I think the earthquake in Japan was done by the Pentagon.
I [quote]DoD News Briefing: Secretary of Defense William S. CohenApril 28, 1997 . Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important. http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674 [/quote]I think I am harassed by the cyber-team of the Feds. My article was posted without paragraph function. It may prove what I said are truth. They are afraid of it.
Would this be considered a black swan event?
Much PAIN but still time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAE7GLE_cOc
Just curious, but doesn't sea water pretty well destroy farm land because of the salt?
Much PAIN but still time.
30' wall of seawater hits the plant. this will cause extreme damage to all the electrical components in the plant (control systems, wires, motors (pumps), switchgear, mcc's, etc). i don't know how 'contained' the concrete outter containment is to 30' of flooding seawater....
i personally visited plants after katrina/rita here in the states and all electrical equipment/electrical infrastructure was ruined and had to be replaced and took months/years to complete. don't know alot about nuclear plant design but i'm certain they have non-electrical backup...or at least i hope.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/03/chernobyl-radiation-nuclear-expl...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster
effects still being felt today.
Now we have this thing in Japan. What will the ultimate outcome of this event?
While we worry about radiation from the air they are dumping who knows how much radioactive sea water back into the ocean and no one seems to care!
where do you get "dumping into the ocean" from "flooding with seawater?" - Ned
I know this is inappropriate,
but - buy the dip
Kudlow's comment while not worthy of comment, makes no sense at all.. The Economic and Human toll are both catastrophic, and one immeasurable. The world will be a better place when Larry no longer inhabits it.
http://au-bout-de-la-route.blogspot.com/2011/03/manquait-plus-que-ca.html
Caption of the radioactive cloud from Japan to the US
I'm listening around online to different news sources (some here in the States and others abroad). So far, everyone is putting out the same line:
This is the most serious accident since Chernobyl.
The Japanese govt. is lying.
How does the Japanese public maintain their "stoicism"(what does THAT mean)?
The reactor in Fukushima uses G.E. equiptment.
What does this mean? The MSM (and much of the progressive) knows not to trust anything that the nuclear industry talking heads say. A nuclear cloud is going to hit North America and destroy all life as we know it. And so on.
Also, will we have a rational discussion of nuclear power? No we won't. Will G.E. tolerate this? Of course not. Maybe the MSM CEO's see that nobody cares about Charlie Sheen anymore. Now they need a new story to hype.
More fodder for Casey Kasem (he even still alive?) et al, to take on the nuke power industry. Just when we thought the dinosaurs were all dead, somebody takes some leftover dinosaur DNA and starts a whole island of dinosaurs.
Thank God they are not looting Wallmart as would be here in the states! The japs are so well behaved in a crisis.
I blame the lefties for this travisty! It was GE that built these units. Did Al Assgore sign off on this?
The Japanese are buying their food and not looting and are civilized, opposed too these
people...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RVHDlPqZWE
What I want to know, with all of our governments capabilites to monitor radiation, why they have not come out with either public assurances that the radiation danger is indeed low, or if has reached dangerous levels. They never tell us the truth. Credibility is at an all time low. Remember the BP oil spill? Yeah, the government run by the corporations is never going to tell the truth, becuase if they did, they would have to admit things are much worse then we're being told. So, more lies to protect the guilty.
A moment of prayer for those lost due to the earthquake and tsunami in Japan.
This is also a wake up call. Obammy should do a television fundraising special highlighting his soft shoe dance routine with all his musical friends.
Working on the garden soon, food prices are going through the roof..Travel due to fuel prices has been curtailed dramatically. Have been buying clothing ahead of the crushing price increases. Local food banks need has risen spectacularly. I fear for our 2 children in the Marines are going to be cannon fodder to one of Warshingtons last gasp attempts to start a world war. Yup, pray for the Japanese, and the fools here at home.
radiation isn't the main threat.. thirst, freezing, starvation are ahead in the Death's que over there
Has anyone mentioned anything about helping these people? I mean, we had Angelina Jolie and Sean Penn in Haiti, along with President Dubya wiping his hand on President What-'is-name's back... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlw_2SS6rgo
but we hear nothing about getting food and water to the Japanese, our staunchest ally in the Pacific for decades? This is beyond disgraceful.
We could send Boehner, he seems already impervious to high levels of radiation.
agreed - see my comment a few notches up
and I'll gladly adopt a few homeless young geisha girls
Where'd all the sock-puppets go? The truth is a mighty disinfectant.
In a similar fashion to the Soviet government of 1986, the Japanese Government of 2011 is lying about the spread of radiation. Soon the wind will carry radiation all over Japan, and then to Russia, China, and the Korean Peninsula... the wind is mighty powerful, and it is possible that low readings of radiation will show up on the West coast of the US and Canada. Think again about eating that tuna, you might be getting more than you bargained for.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former" — Albert Einstein
There is no reason for the Japanese to hold back any bad news. The world feels unlimited sympathy for them now and every failure can be attributed to "acts of God". They should tell the world the absolutely worst possible scenario and then let everyone breath a (hopefully non-radioactive particle laden) sigh of relief when the outcome is somewhat better than unmitigated armageddon. (what I meant to post in the previous comment...)
but we all spent our sympathy cash on Katrina, and sympathy credit on Haiti... we're maxxed out
but we all spent our sympathy cash on Katrina, and sympathy credit on Haiti... we're maxxed out
We spent the cash on AIG, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, JP Morgan and other parastic friends of Hank Paulson & The Bernank's/Sacks'/Frost's.
There is no reason for the Japanese to hold back bad any news. The world feels unlimited sympathy for them now and every failure can be attributed to "acts of God". They should tell the world the worst possible scenario is unfolding and then let everyone breath a (hopefully non-radioactive particle laden) sigh of relief.
Failure is loss of face to them NO MATTER WHAT.
Remember. These are people who still commit seppuku over shame.
Larry Kudlow Devalues Human Life With Japan Earthquake Freudian Slip
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2011/03/larry-kudlow-devalues-hum...
Who didn't already know that the Kudlow asshat was a damn sociopath?
I mean, I knew he was somewhat twisted but for real? This even stretches the word "sociopath" to new extremes.
What an asshole.
Mr. Green Shoots douchebag Larry Kudlow. . .
http://www.businessinsider.com/libya-military-2011-03?op=1 http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/03/13/libya-brega.html meanwhile back at the ranch, el presidente for life , is taking care of business, like i suspected he would do, now that he has been forced off the front page. If I were him, I would push toward Benghazi and then surround it and attempt to stop anyone from fleeing to Tobruk and then, ladies and gentlemen, then i would bomb it back into the stone age since it was the city of the birth of the rebellion against me......Then when this thing is over, I would serve up some Arab styled revenge on the scumbags that tried to side with my ememies and that includes many in europe who need my oil........etc etc. needless to say the rothschild pigs with their BP petroleum can go suck eggs.
Cost of a no fly zone in Libya - 100-300 million/week
Cost of Obummer having his balls fed to him in public by a tin pot dictator -
Priceless
Like the drunk driver (Ron White) POTUS had the right to remain silent, but not the ability.
Everybody knows everything, but only a few people know anything relevant, and the truth is concealed by fear of failure. We'll know a lot more by next weekend. I, for one, trust the Japanese to get it right and if they don't then the whole damn stinking world might as well collapse because nothing is as it seems and it really is every man for himself.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
If anybody has a few minutes to kill, please check out this submission from a nuke engineer written a while back, concerning loss of power at nuke plants. (it dealt with EMP, not this scenario). I didn't want to re-paste, and hijack the thread. I would love to get some input/thoughts on this:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/iaea-refutes-reactor-3-cooling-problems-provdes-fukushima-status-update#comment-1046492
it sounds mostly correct.
This is precisely why madmaxers with bailout spreads are not in their right mind.
Nevermind all the EMP stuff; nuclear materials generate lots of heat and without cooling, they will eventually melt shit.
I understand the EMP issue. The reason I pasted it, is I want to know if this is the same issue the Japanese are trying to deal with right now. Are they just throwing sea water into the pool at a reate able to keep up with the cook off?
Is the real issue in Japan the pools and their lack of containment, rather than the reactors we are so focused on?
Thanks Colonel. Took a couple of minutes to find (page 2) but well worth it. We have problems of scale and scope that have not been addressed.
BTW, bet you know this but most won't. A simple Faraday cage, plain old chicken wire, is usually protective against EMP. On the other hand, once electronics are fried, you just have a messy paper weight.
Exactly! That's why I expect Nintendo and electronic gadgetry in general to become less popular in certain parts of Japan. There will be a considerable boost in the paper-weight industry, though.
These are British Broadcasting Corporation tweets from a (whistleblower?) nuclear power plant designer (did he help design Fukushima-Daiichi?) regarding the gravity of the situation and his claims the Japanese and international officials are severely downplaying the risks at present - the numbers in bold are time stamps (link is at end):
1541: A former nuclear power plant designer has said Japan is facing an extremely grave crisis and called on the government to release more information, which he said was being suppressed. Masashi Goto told a news conference in Tokyo that one of the reactors at the Fukushima-Daiichi plant was "highly unstable", and that if there was a meltdown the "consequences would be tremendous". He said such an event might be very likely indeed. So far, the government has said a meltdown would not lead to a sizeable leak of radioactive materials.
1548: Mr Goto said the reactors at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant were suffering pressure build-ups way beyond that for which they were designed. There was a severe risk of an explosion, with radioactive material being strewn over a very wide area - beyond the 20km evacuation zone set up by the authorities - he added. Mr Goto calculated that because Reactor No 3 at Fukushima-Daiichi - where pressure is rising and there is a risk of an explosion - used a type of fuel known as Mox, a mixture of plutonium oxide and uranium oxide, the radioactive fallout from any meltdown might be twice as bad.
1558: He described the worst-case scenario: "It is difficult to say, but that would be a core meltdown. If the rods fall and mix with water, the result would be an explosion of solid material like a volcano spreading radioactive material. Steam or a hydrogen explosion caused by the mix would spread radioactive waste more than 50km. Also, this would be multiplied. There are many reactors in the area so there would be many Chernobyls."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698
Thanks. And it was soo assuring to hear the UN guy thinks there is no problem.
Like you, I am deeply comforted by words of U.N. officials, MLH.
/sarc