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Protests Spread To Vietnam
After protests recently shifted to Korea, they have now migrated to very tightly controlled Vietnam (and some were wondering what the reason for the orchestrated take down of rice in the past week was), in the first public demonstration by unhappy farmer against the controlling regime in many years. In the meantime, as the media blackout over developments in Korea, Bahrain and just as importantly Algeria continues (not to mention China), keeping in mind that as Nomura predicted, a shut down in Algerian and Libyan oil production is all that is needed for crude to hit $220, we now look forward to Venezuela to join the revolutionary ranks, with the culmination being when Afghanistan and Pakistan, and associated nukes, go in play.
In the meantime, the rough rice non-commercial speculators refuse to give up over what is now a blatant attempt by the commercials to suppress the price of rice. One day we hope to get Wikileaks or someone else to disclose just how much pressure China put on JP Morgan to keep Rice at ridiculously low levels in light of the action in other commodities.
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Afghanistan has nukes? Don't you mean Pakistan?
India will handle that.
They have opium, the lazy man's nuke
India will turn Pakistan into a sea of glass.
People will have to get their smack from Asia, like old times.
I was referring to Afghan opium. That opium is one of the reasons why there will be no revolution in the ole' USA. See we use that opium to make vicodin, percocet,morphine,dilaudid, demerol etc. A large part of the american population is drugged with such "medications".
And people claim we are not getting a return on investment.
I'm a little young yet to partake of the Medicare Part D bonanza.
just stop working and soon you'll qualify for medicaid
That Venezuela comment is not that far off. A friend came back from visiting his family in Guatamala. He said a load of bread was about $7.50 (USD).
""A friend came back from visiting his family in Guatamala. He said a load of bread was about $7.50 (USD).""
...and various foods in Cosco's up here have jumped 10% overnight.
Revolutions are a direct result of the non availability of Basic Food, Food and the cost of basic Food...
http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/02/when-money-stops-flowing-down-to-man-in.html
Went to bed thursday night and mogas was $2.99/gal. Wake up Friday morning to $3.19/gal. At noon today, some stations raised it to $3.21 befor noon. This afternoon, it hit $3.25. That's more than a $0.25 hike in less than 48 hours. I'm in the Gulf South, two hours inland and the only thing I can compare this to is a hurricane.
http://hsd.aphsa.org/home/doc/AnnKohlerTestimony.pdf
Freakin' party poopers.
Afghan has Opium but US has Hopium, it's more potent in many ways.
Opioids wear off in a couple of hours. Hopium wears off with disillusionment.
An alarming 1/3 of the US voting population, now termed obamasuckers, lack the gene that naturally flushes Hopium from the brain. As a result, a single hit of Hopium can cause them to remain hopped-up for years, even decades, regardless of the administration of the primary known antidotes, Truth and Reality.
obamasuckers having replaced the bushsuckers
Gaddafi said the revolution is fueled by drugs...several warehouses full with amphetamines were apprehended...it was also reported that he opened the weapons dumps for "the people" to fight it out...just heard it on the news...very modern indeed (sarc)
24 hour terra warning level red and waiting
In grad school for engineering I sat in on a lecture by two professors from texas a & m. They modeled atmospheric permeation of atomic fallout due to nuclear mutually assured destruction scenario between India and Pakistan. Their assumptions were that each possessed only 50 nukes, each nuke had the same yield as that dropped on Hiroshima, and all weapons detonated within the geographic borders of both countries within the span of 24 hours.
Their simulation showed that within 28 days the fallout would completely cover the earth between latitudes +60 and -60.
I hope you can therefore understand why every nuke is everybody's concern.
on Sat, 02/26/2011 - 14:46
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They have opium, the lazy man's nuke
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Food Stamps and Danzig wiff da Starz! BITCHEZZZZZZZ!!!!!
Un-Employment Benefits / Checks to Infinitimmy and Beyond!
True dat!!!! We got welfare for the ultra rich and the ultra poor. Better choose which group you can join because being in the middle is getting harder and harder.
Yeah just a weeee typo.
Got Rice?
Got plastic rice?
Less filling! Chewbacca Obama approved.
Anyone got any theories on how this will affect World of Warcraft gold markets for Americans?
More un-rest would / should equal higher prices... but in a World of Make Believe, anything is possible.
But, Nam is Communist... so are they (being the thier goobermint) going to encourage the farmers they just evicted off of thier own farm land to buy Gold like in China??? I will go out on a limb and say no, thats no going to happen... of course I could be wrong.
I worked on the original WoW in a former life; when they start firebombing ISPs, it will be very difficult to get your twink on.
When "they" start firebombing ISPs. Wink, wink. When I start firebombing ISPs.
I've been listening to the Charlie Sheen interview again (1 2 3). I'm starting to hear it more and more as both CS and AJ telling people between the lines "it's Apocalypse now" "get strong" "don't be in the middle" "reject Hollywood, reject everything but what you trust". Anyway, here's a quote from CS:
And here's a quote from something else:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEKhl1-G7Jo&playnext=1&list=PL0C6068AED33...
Points considered. Thanks to you.
On the other hand, I'll be a lot less edgy when the telco's and the data-masters and the DoD and the CIA and the NSA and any corp I've left out all come clean about their psy-opery and their media manipulation. I don't take kindly to being boiled like a frog in a pot, while they set fire to the house around me.
Bro... its just warm bath water... no worries... enjoy a nice warm bath, why not just take a nap... it will be over soon...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im27FD077zk&feature=related
3:06 is the best I could do... I wanted Buggs Bunny in a stew pot, but it is what it is.
Charlie was also way high on drugs, IMO.
edit: and Alex Jones looked as sponsored and scripted as Letterman.
Hm.... then the price for rice may definitely goes up. Vietnam is one of the biggest rice producing countries.
WAS!
Vietnam, Laos & Cambodia are really experiencing severe droughts because China is building a dam to divert the water from the Mekong river back into China.
The place where they are building the dam is also a dispute point with India and China because it's not fully clear who ownes the part in the Himalay where they are building it.
I've seen this with my own eyes 2 years ago and it's VERY scary to see.
Water levels on the Mekong are down 12 meters in the last 5 years.
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/dams-china-turn-mekong-river-discord
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8603112.stm
Good tip, SD. Used to be "follow the money", I think new paradigm is "follow the water" tho "follow the river" sounds like a great book title.
Another old saying that is probably done, "you can't eat gold". To be replaced by "you can't drink oil".
alrighty then.This person is in, off rant mode. We can read some links and enjoy the company!
You're making this tooo eaaasyyyyy....
Wait a minute this can't be true because future world leader wonderful China is only spreading love and happiness around the world no way they would steal the water upstream from good friend and neighbor Vietnam woud they? I swear some cranky dude yesterday was selling love beads for China how everybody hates usa but loves China.
Reality - they are working on starving their old enemies the Vietnamese. Am I the only one who remembers China's failed border dispute [read war] with little ole Vietnam back in the 1970's? Payback time it appears.
The Sino–Vietnamese War (Vietnamese: Chi?n tranh biên gi?i Vi?t-Trung), also known as the Third Indochina War, known in the PRC as ??????? (duì yuè zìwèi f?nj? zhàn) (Counterattack against Vietnam in Self-Defense) and in Vietnam as Chi?n tranh ch?ng bành tr??ng Trung Hoa (War against Chinese expansionism), was a brief but bloody border war fought in 1979 between the People's Republic of China (PRC) and the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. The PRC launched the offensive in response to Vietnam's 1978 invasion and occupation of Cambodia, which ended the reign of the PRC-backed Khmer Rouge.
After a brief incursion into Northern Vietnam, PRC troops withdrew about a month later. Both China and Vietnam claimed victory in the last of the Indochina Wars of the twentieth century; however, since Vietnamese troops remained in Cambodia until 1989 it can be said that the PRC failed to achieve the goal of dissuading Vietnam from involvement in Cambodia. However, China achieved its strategic objective of reducing the offensive capability of Vietnam along the Sino-Vietnam border by implementing a scorched earth policy. China also achieved another strategic objective of demonstrating to its Cold War foe, the Soviet Union, that they were unable to protect their Vietnamese ally. As many as 1.5 million Chinese troops were stationed along China's borders with the USSR and were prepared for a full-scale war against the USSR.
I studied this as part of my grad thesis. The Mekong Delta waters naturally rise and fall annually sometimes 2m.. i did a time lapse of satellite data.. looks like the delta is on fire in dry season and flooded 2m in wet season. amazing place. thrives on this annual pulse of nutrients that are brought into the delta through the flooding.
The damming will (has? )change(d?) all that. Amazing case of some kind of skewed destruction of commons. I met some old timers deep in the Mekong still wearing their black pj's. Bet they know how to handle that dam.
Interesting guy Mick O'shea KAYAKED down the whole Mekong from the source in china to raise awareness of this. Insane adventure, as he had to sneak through parts of the PRC.
http://www.mekongdescentfoundation.org/mother_of_waters.html
Mekong really an amazing place.. the people that live in/around it are pretty amazing as well.
This is beyond a bummer. Gulf of Mexico+
i sit here today and i wish to extend my hope and prayers, along with my respect to all of those who are standing in a line in overthrow of central governments. no matter what they are labeled.
i salute their spirit and their courage and send my moral support.
someday i fear we will be in the same position, and i hope i have the courage and force of will that they are showing all the world.
god be with them all.
Vietnam, I can believe. This "Jasmine Revolution" in China smells fishy to me, like a chance for the government to round up liver donors.
The "Jasmine Revolution" in China hadn't a chance....NONE. the new middle & rich classes are 100% co-opted...and the newsfeeds, Twitter, whatever, are 100% controlled...unless you specifically connected to WSJ or whatever in China, you would NEVER have know it was even a "thing" because it was 100% not available in China...and the new rich & middle classes are NOT going to rock the boat & in China...the "poor"...well...fuck 'em.
Wow, Vietnam. More Tea Partiers popping up everywhere.
Vietnamese really deserve a lot better than they got.
Grow up junior spalding!
Destabilizing two regions is a silent monetary proxy war. At some point, North America will be told that the Constitution & present financial model has run its course. Central planners will institute emergency measures to transition the new system.
I would tend to disagree with that one. The system the US has setup at the moment is almost perfect. If it wasn't for the simple law of exponents in a finite system problem, the moneychangers would be good for millenia.
How many people do you see drive around with the "God Bless America" bumper stickers? Cry when they see the flag or hear the anthem?
Sorry, this system is as perfect a system as one can have in an imperfect world. When I say perfect, I mean for the ones who own it. And it ain't you or me.
pods
Sadly, what you say is all too true. Why would the banksters suspend a constitution they already don't use? It is like those state laws on the books that you must take a bath once a year or nobody can own more than 3 buggywhips. They just don't follow it. Shoot, during the private healthcare takeover they said as much. The black members of the gang don't try to pretend that they are following thier oath.
<HELP> for explanation
+1. The system is good. That's why they intend to take it down.
Governments collapsing, commodities soaring, propaganda desperately trying to hold together the last illusions of stability...mark me when I say that we really are witnessing the death-rattle of global society. I hold very little in the way of belief that we won't be driven back to the damn-near stone-age. Every thermodynamic system seeks its own equilibrium. Where we find ourselves now is in a moment at which our system has been squeezed from one side so fiercely that it must pop. The kinetic backlash when that happens, in response to decades if not centuries, of gradually applied pressure will come back like a tsunami...it will happen so rapidly that what we've built over generations will come undone in the blink of an eye, by comparison.
As if Mother Nature herself were saying, "Model THIS, Bitchez!"
+1
The idea that we, who emerge from the universe around us, aren't bound by the same principles is a fairly fucking absurd idea.
From "Give a Monkey a Brain and He'll Swear He's the Center of the Universe"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hynqbCgHbzM
Apes, not monkeys - monkeys have tails
My name is REASON (777) I am my own Bitch!
Criss/crossed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zy1VLvcsqc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0BlXy3Roj4
It takes decades to build up infrastructure and only weeks to wreck it. Even if we dont wreck it we have built up way more than we can afford to maintain.
Naw, they're just trying to drive the suckers back into bonds.
The time must be right for Zero Hedge to now do an article on how our representitives are going to come to their demise eg: hung from a lamp post, shot, their escaping jet run out of fuel mid-flight, managed to get to Brazil where they were hung from a lamp post, heart attack, drowned in a jacuzzi, suicide by garot, etc.... Would it be possible for the readers to vote on each polititcian's demise? Please conside this Tyler - thank you
i don't think it will be a "go down easy". i think a lot of the posters here including me will have to answer the call.
a quote from a movie that still holds power in its words.
" Dying by the thousands! Dying for *you*, fool! I know, 'cause I dug the graves. And all this time I keep askin' myself, when, O Lord, when it's gonna be our time? Gonna come a time when we all gonna hafta ante up. Ante up and kick in like men. LIKE MEN!
And that, my friend, is exactly the truth.
And I shall watch the excitement in my comfy recliner with a nice glass of bubbly on my big screen. The small fuel cells are commercially available. It wont give you away like the noise from a generator!
Actually, given my choice, I'd opt for a really nice geothermal well. Even as it is...there are ways to keep the lights on and the people warm, if you're mechanically inclined to a sufficient degree.
Keep the sound low and your curtains shut tight, sweetie.
Ok blue ghost pilot. Remember (I'm on your side)
You forgot jumping in front of high-speed train. I guess they would have to go to Europe of Japan for that.
"just how much pressure China put on JP Morgan to keep Rice at ridiculously low levels in light of the action in other commodities."
It'll work till the seed rice runs out.
Pressure cooked rice price...there's a gag in there somewhere...
Someone please reassure me:
Where is the USS Maddox at this time?
Vietnam oil production
About 390K bpd
My ex girlfriend's family is from Venezuela. They are still quite a long ways from serious protests. The bottom 40 percent believe everything Hugo says and the rest have conveniently been labeled oligarchs or USA loving traitors, so it has been difficult for people to speak up. The poor still believe it will eventually get better so until his militant base loses faith there will be no major rioting but their young people are just like the french and always having minor demonstrations.
Global political coalition supporting the status quo is disintegrating fast. Looked like it might slow down after Egypt, instead it's gained traction and accelerating.
Solutions won't come easy in this environment. Old Western powers won't get their way without hardship and cost. Reverberations from 2008 are still spreading. We're in the early innings of conflict and realignment.
More Tea Partiers popping up everywhere.
lol gwar I owe you a beer for that little nugget of truth
poor liberals think only they have the moral right to revolution, it's downright revolting!
Chinese will have nothing of Uncle Ben's Instant (plastic) Rice ...
Maybe the Mayan's really do have something with THE END being in 2012........pretty fucking close anyway. Anyway, after consulting a vast array of financial charts, algos, my broker, checking account, debt, and other miscellaneous bullshit, the bottom line is the ONLY thing that is going to save our asses is Jesus Christ walking through my front door, seriously, by the Ultimate Optimist. Sorry, the EX-Ultimate Optimist.......
On the point of 2012 the Mayans did not say it would be the end of the world they said "the end of society as we Know it " so that seem to strike an even closer cord, as it was not the Mayans themselves that predicted this, it was there god who was a white haired Caucasian who traveled in a "ship " and left promising to return one day, So with that in mind would it not be fair to say when all the Fiat money collapses at the same time , well you get the picture . Also they finished their calender on the 21/12/2012 because that was the end of the year for them ,so the end of times has to happen before that date
The mayans were a bunch of superstitious savages with idiotic ideas about what is what. And anyway, the civilization as they knew it ended a long time ago.
'it was not the Mayans themselves that predicted this, it was there god who was a white haired Caucasian who traveled in a "ship "'
Spanish/European propaganda. Don't forget, they practiced ritual human sacrifice too. Oooo.
If you're watching oil prices you may want to check these breaking news articles. Tehran is in the process of sabotaging oil supplies for their own gain.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/27/world/middleeast/27iraq.html?partner=r...
http://www.debka.com/article/20710/
Presumably toward the same end, Al-Qaeda is also calling for the ouster of ruling elites in both Saudi Arabia and Yemen:
http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE71P04420110226
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jf6pRbeqhpL...
Just a helpful note:
Might not want to include Debka in your links.
Nobody here is big for bobbing for apples in a tub with a big turd like that in there.
Personally, I would say that the Al-CIA-DUH reference makes two turds, but that is just me.
pods
Vietnam!! We better invade before the dominos start falli...oh, er...nevermind.
OK, that was pretty damned funny!
We posted at the same time my analogy looks pretty funny now .
At this point, I'd not mind seeing Vietnam collapse - undoing their government's deeds from the 1970's.
Iraq is also protesting, didnt a refinery get blown up there yesterday? This is like watching dominos fall at some point there will be a fork in the road and whoosh the world is in revolution without any idea of what the solution to the problem is . ...whoohoo real fun[intended last remark as sarcasm]
No that was today.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/27/world/middleeast/27iraq.html?partner=r...
http://www.debka.com/article/20710/
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/27/world/middleeast/27yemen.html?hp Yemen about to ignite now that tribal leader has turned on leader.
What a terrible thing for a president to order an attack on his own people. Oh wait..... Lincoln did that... oops....
Silly Occam. Democracies don't fight each other... oh, wait.
Many would say that there is a much more recent reference that you could site.
pods
Hosni? Nixon? Who'd you have in mind?
The real MSM blackout is about riots in Europe. Civil war is about to break out in Greece.
And this just in:
Fianna Fail meltdown in Ireland.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0226/breaking8.html
I looked at that chart three times. All I see is that the initial runup in rice in '08 was accompanied by SOME speculation. The last two rallies seem to have more speculation than the rice price warrants.
I don't think a turndown from here would be the result of any manipulation, but probably the expected actions of agile speculators.
Just looking at the charts,
gh
Of course America lost the Vietnam war (not any battles, but of course not the hearts and minds), but who won it? Everybody thought it was the vietnamese.
Looks like whatever the case WAS, it is obvious they have been returned to the imperialist fold (i.e. getting screwed over).
Now that they are communist AND still getting screwed over by the imperial monetary system, what will they do?
Well Riot for one.
Two. Hook up a couple of electrical wires to Ho Chi Minh's grave. (might as well capture the current from him spinning in his grave).
Three?
If they have any inflated dong left after buying their daily ration of rice and weeds, they will buy gold.
If they have any inflated dong left after buying their daily ration of rice and weeds, they will buy gold.
I'm meeting with the Vietnamese Ambassador to the US tuesday.
I need some intelligent questions. What would y'all like to know?
Ask when they are going to allow free speech.
Ask if they are willing to take in some good Marxist cousins, fleeing Wisconsin Senators, and maybe 20 million or so Talupas.
On Wisconsin!
This makes me wonder. Have we intentionally smuggled in or infected these nations with unrest due to high unemployment, food shortages and inflation to subvert the governments and foment unrest and rebellion? I mean, we cannot fight an Iraqi type of conflict with each one - not enough troops or national will to do it that way. So, in instead have we sent computer viruses and created financial WMDs to do the job?
My second question is if so, why? Are we opportunistic, lucky or is there something more sinister behind this like world domination by the monied interests?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
"India will handle that ".......
its not that easy ....the Rothschild gang has been trying hard to denuclearise Pakistan....funding the TTP....but havent succeeded....these ISI peopel are smarter than those people from Central Asia , Latin America and ME and Africa where they start a revolution at the click of a button
details :
http://markettechnicals-jonak.blogspot.com/
Saw a Bank of Vietnam note recently - 50000 dong it said & I keep hearing of devaluation. Things are not stable in Vietnam.
By the way, these notes are produced by the Reserve Bank of Australia or at least its graft taking note printing branch - 'Securrency'.
There are some crazy times coming...
Hyperfinationary times coming...
http://thehardrightedge.com/troubledwater/
I think it's becoming ever more difficult to manage all this claptrap. I seriously thought it was going to unravel the first part of this week but someone tightened up the girdle and pulled everything together.....for the moment.
The phrase the "largely contained" comes to mind and I wouldn't be surprised to hear it again in the very near future....
In case anyone cares, the Al Jazeera report was total bullshit, and ZH sounds silly talking about "first public demonstration by unhappy farmer against the controlling regime in many years."
The protest noted in the report was some farmers angry because the government took their land. It's silly to comment without knowing details of the case, but probably it was the typical scenario: government takes land from small people for an industrial park or some condo towers; and the former occupants were given less than market price in compensation. Al Jazeera just had some bootleg video and know-nothing commentators outside the country, and can't be bothered to do any real reporting on the matter.
Point one: government land taking for development is an old story in both China and Vietnam. Happened many times over the years, and protested many times in both countries. Never has it led to a general uprising in either country, and it won't now either. Attributing such a protest to Arab events is butt stupid.
Point two: people in Vietnam do not follow or care about Arab events. People here (yes, I live here) benchmark their affairs against nearby countries with similar culture and history, like Thailand, Philippines, China, Taiwan, Korea. Events on the other side of the world or on other planets have no influence.
Reports like this one should terminate any illusion that Al Jazeera is more insightful or less idiotic than the American MSM.
Thanks for the insight.