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On The Psychoanalysis Of Money: "Heads and Tails" - Money As A Poison Center

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By Lloyd deMause from Psychologie Heute, November 1988

"Heads and Tails"
Money As a Poison Center
by Lloyd deMause

Money is strange.

It seems to be something quite useful - a convenient way to facilitate exchange and acknowledge debt.

Yet a simple experiment will show that money carries within itself more than just wealth. Take a ten-dollar bill and hand it to a friend. No explanation, just give it to him. A strange thing will happen. Your friend will feel uneasy about you, he may avert his eyes when he sees you, he may even avoid meeting you. The money you gave him seems to have transferred as much guilt as wealth.

If you take a careful look at the money you have given him, you'll see its twin aspects of wealth and guilt quite clearly. One side is called "heads," and it usually has on it a head-the part of us with which we enjoy pleasures, eat, smell, hear, look. It represents wealth, the goods side of money.

The other side is called "tails," and it has on it symbols of death, guilt and destruction: tombs of dead people, birds of prey, branches representing sacrificial trees, etc. Even when the back portrays sexual symbols-as, for instance, the German twenty-mark bill does, with its phallic bow and female violin-they are shown next to a death-dealing bird, and thus represent sinful sex. These images represent the guilt, the bads side of money. Whenever you pass along money, you circulate both heads and tails, both goods and bads, both pleasure and guilt, both food and poison, both life and death.

This ambivalent aspect of money can be easily seen in the words with which we describe it. The German word Geld and the English word "guilt" come from the same source - Geld in Old German meant "sacrifice," and has the same source as vergeltung, "revenge." Similarly, gift in German means "poison" in English. In most languages, the identity of gift and poison is found. The gift you gave your friend turned out to carry poisonous guilt with it.

Ever since Freud pointed out the anal origins of money, it has been common knowledge that money unconsciously represents shit and reflects our ambivalent attitude toward our body products. The rich are "filthy with money, "so rich they stink," bank officials are Dukatenseheisser, and debtors are "up to their necks in shit." As we used to say in the U.S. Army, "on payday, the eagle shits." This language reaches all the way back to the beginnings of money in early civilizations. The Aztecs called gold "the shit of the gods," while the Babylonians called it "the shit of hell."(1) The valued and the devalued have always been acknowledged to be combined in money.

But what is not common knowledge is that the earliest money only had one side, the guilt side. The very earliest money was probably shells, since they are found in Paleolithic burials. When shells have been' used for money in early tribal economies, they in fact have not been used to facilitate the trading of goods at all, they were used solely for the magical circulation of bads-that is, of guilt. Let's see how this worked.

One of the best-known shell-money economies, ever since it was so well described by Malinowski in his Argonauts of the Western Pacific,(2) is that of the Trobriand Islanders, who spend much of their time making shell arm-bands and necklaces and exchanging them in what is called a "kula ring" trade route. These money-shells are traded, however, quite separately from their barter system, where useful goods are exchanged. The useless shells are said to be traded for "prestige," and the more one gives away the more prestige one has.

But this anthropological explanation of trading for "prestige" begs the real question-why award prestige to someone because he gives away the most shells?

All early money economies - whether the currency used consisted of shells, hides, huge stone wheels, metal objects or woodpecker scalps - were similar gift-giving systems. Ever since Mauss's pioneering study, The Gift,(3) scholars have tried to figure out why money began as something that you gave away and even destroyed rather than as something you used in trade of good.

One thing is certain about all this scholarship on gift economies-saying that these people are merely "generous" and "friendly" in these give-away rituals is not the answer. When a Kwakiutl man gets very angry at his neighbor, he takes some copper money and gives it to him in a gift-giving "potlatch" ceremony. saying Hap-hap-hap! I've eaten you. You are all in my belly now."(4) He seems to have put his biting rage, not his friendliness, into his money. When he gives money to his neighbor, he imagines he eats him up, kills him. Thus, kwakiutls call giant gift-giving potlatches "fighting with property." When intertribal war was outlawed a century ago by white settlers, gift-giving as a substitute for war increased enormously, and "wars of property" became the central Kwakiutl institution at which tens of thousands of blankets and coppers at a time were given away, burned or thrown into the water.(5)

To understand what's really happening in these early money systems, we have to look at the personalities of those who invented them-which means we have to look at their childhoods. Kwakiutl parents see their children as giant mouths, as inherently greedy and destructive, and their literature is filled with images of babies who devour their parents.(6) Since the Kwakiutl live in a rich environment with plenty of food, it is obvious that these parents are projecting their own devouring need for love into their babies.

Then, in order to control what they see as needy, monstrous, biting babies, they subject them to severe impulse training: they tie them (swad-dle them) into cradle-boxes and keep them there for two or three years; they teach them to rigorously control their desires, to conceal their chew-ing, to feel guilty about all their needs. They frighten them with carnivorous animals-such as the Cannibal Bird, which cracks open your skull and eats your brains-and even act out cannibalistic rituals in front of them during gift-giving ceremonies.(7) In short, Kwakiutl children learn to be extremely guilty about everything they want, including simple love from their parents.

As a result, every time a Kwakiutl gets what he really wants-a wife, a big catch of fish, a new house he feels guilty. He solves this problem by holding a gift-giving potlatch ritual, where he dumps his guilt and his bad feelings into some blanket-money or copper-money and gives this guilt-money away with his bad feelings inside it. By sharing the guilt-money with his neighbor or by destroying it-throwing it into the fire or into the river-he feels much better. He can then enjoy his wife, fish or home without fear of his extremely punitive superego, without fear of upsetting his parents' severe strictures against pleasure.

It may be hard to believe that people can manipulate their bad feelings by putting them into objects. But we do it all the time. Psychoanalysts call it ''projective identification," ever since Melanie Klein gave it this unwieldy name,(8) I like to use the term "injection" instead, both because it is shorter and because it conveys the feeling of "injecting" a poisonous substance with a hypodermic needle - since people who inject their bad feelings into objects invariably see them as poisonous.(9)

The psychoanalyst Wilfred Bion gives an example from his practice.(10) His patient comes into his office and is reluctant to lie on the couch. He looks intently at the analyst, shudders, glances briefly at the far corner, and only then can lie down on the couch. He finally speaks: "I feel quite empty.. it's no use; I shan't be able to do any more today."

After analyzing the patient's unconscious fantasies of the incident, Bion reconstructs what went on unconsciously as follows. The patient came in feeling very needy and angry at Bion. When the patient first looked at Bion, he thought Bion's teeth looked threatening-that is, he had injected his own biting rage into Bion's mouth. He then imagined that Bion would bite him, so he was afraid to lie down on the couch, with his back to him. He then imagined he sucked up the biting teeth from Bion's mouth and placed them in an object in the far corner of the room, where he could keep an eye on them. Only then could he feel safe to lie down on the couch. Even so, having injected his emotions into another object, he felt empty inside, unable to feel his real feeling.

All sorts of bad feelings can be injected into what I have termed "poison containers." Biting rage, guilt, despair, needs for love, all kinds of feelings which are too dangerous to experience consciously are injected into money. Early money is nothing but a poison container. The Kwakiutl called their money objects yaklelwas, which means "bad things," a word that has the same root as 'dead bodies" and "intestines." When they had their potlatch money-destruction ceremonies they said they were "wiping off the shame" from their body, like one wipes off shit, by giving money away or destroying it.(11)

All tribal groups invented systems to distribute their bad feelings. Hunting groups usually felt guilty about the game they killed and had kinship distribution systems to give most of it away to others lest they be poisoned by it.(12) Early farming groups had more complex guilt-sharing systems, gift-distribution economies similar to the Trobrianders and the Kwakiutls which circulated money as poison containers, systems which existed separate from their barter systems. The money poison containers themselves were, of course, both sacred and tubu - in New Britain, their shell-money was even called tambu(13) since that which is sacred always contains that which is dangerous and tabu.

The circulation of these poison containers was the central purpose of all early political systems. The group- fantasy involved was that the chief was so strong he could "digest" the poison and "rebirth" it into less dangerous form. The Tikopia, a Polynesian tribe, bring gifts to the chief, and he sings, "You shit here for me to eat/You have brought in a mighty feat/You have brought together/Your death-causing feast.(14) The chief accepts the gifts ("eats" them), cleanses their poisons with magic sacrificial rituals, and then distributes them as small gifts back to the people, reborn, purified of all bad feelings.

Poison-cleansing is, I believe, the main purpose of all social organization, whether economic (gift economies), religious (sacrifices) or political (war).(15) When too much pleasure stirs up our punitive superego, we feel polluted with sinfulness, and turn to leaders who can reduce our pleasures through the destruction of goods. in modern societies, we ac-complish this through bringing about a recession or through war. Those who most cleanse us of our bad feelings earn the most prestige. Those who, like Bismarck and Roosevelt, give us both a war and a major depression are naturally considered our greatest leaders of all.


Poison Money Polluting the World

A typical example of an early gift-giving system and its cleansing func-tions can be seen in a North Indian village area, the Saharanpu District, where the lower castes give food and other objects to Brahmans in order to "remove the evil" from themselves and transfer it to the elite caste.(16) The sinfulness-the pollution to be transferred - was considered so dangerous that it is said that the receiver was "he who, having accepted many gifts, feels as if he had swallowed poison." The Brahman is expected to "digest" this poison, both through ritual means and through redistribution of some of it in further transfers. For this he earns the most prestige, the most thanks of the other castes, because he cleanses them of their pollutions.

Archeologists have found that the earliest money systems of antiquity were also gift-circulating economies, with the elite classes earning prestige through the giving and destruction of wealth.(17) What Hesiod called "gift-eating chiefs"(18) were expected to exchange expensive gifts and even to destroy them in agonistic and sacrificial rituals, particularly those connected with wealth destruction and burial at funerals.(19) [his helps explain why Bernhard Laum, in his brilliant book Heiliges Geld, (20) felt the origin of money was intimately connected with sacrifice.(21) It also explains why the earliest metallic money was either the metal spits which were used in roasting sacrificial animals or the double axes used to kill them.(22)

Those who dared to first trade this sacred money for consumer commodities in the early Greek agora around 400 BC were - like the Jews who lent money in the Middle Ages felt to be full of poison, made dangerous by the poison containers they handled. (23) Medieval money-lenders who died unrepentant were sometimes said to have been so full of poison they were observed to be ''black and swollen' (24) and were "thrown out of the church like a dog" to die unsaved As childhood improved and more and more people used money for trade and lent it out for interest, the scope of illegal money-lending narrowed, but the onus on handling money never left entirely. Money remains dangerous, and those who manage it even today must be strong if they are to avoid being contaminated by the emotional poisons we inject into it.

That is why until recently we always built our banks to resemble sacrificial temples, since bankers-our modern sacrificial priests-are the people who must handle the poison money in ways that will destroy goods when prosperity becomes too threatening and our guilt becomes too great. The reason we have business cycles is because we continue to have a narrow tolerance for pleasure. When prosperity becomes too much (and, as happened to the Kwakiutl, if peace prevents us from destroying our surplus goods in combat), we begin to feel extremely sinful, polluted, and money seems more than ever to be "all tails," full of our guilt. Instead of investing it in productive enterprises, we begin to engage in speculations, we throw it into inflated stock markets, we send the poison money to Third World elites who can be counted on to waste it, we change our tax codes to favor the rich in order to divert more of our money to them, since only they can "digest" its pollution.(23) Like the Kwakiutl, who increased their money a thousand fold after they became more prosperous, we, too, multiply our money supply as we feel more polluted, since we need more and more poison containers to hold our growing guilt.

Since Europe and Japan haven't had a real surplus-destroying war for over four decades, the only way they were able to get rid of their guilt and limit their prosperity was to pump money into the U.S. and depend upon them to destroy it. So far during the 1980s, Europe and Japan have lent (given as a poison-gift) America a half trillion dollars, which the U.S. has promptly destroyed by burying it in the ground (nuclear missiles) and throwing it into the sea (nuclear aircraft carriers), just like the Kwakiutl did in their potlatches. Yet there is a limit to how much of the world's guilt-money America can absorb and destroy.

This is especially true at this present moment, when a terrible thing has happened to the world: peace has "broken out all over," as Newsweek magazine recently put it.(26) The danger to our psyches of simultaneously having a disarmament treaty between Russia and the U.S., peace in Afghanistan, peace in Cambodia, peace in Angola, peace in Iran and peace in Central America is that if there is no place for external sacrifice (war), the pressures for a major internal sacrifice (depression) become much greater. Here is where our money priests-our central bankers and our treasury officials--are called upon to perform their most serious tasks.

''The Federal Reserve's job,'' said William McChesney Martin, an earlier chairman of the central bank, "is to take away the punch bowl just when the party gets going."(27) Paul Volcker, the Federal Reserve chairman who presided over the recession of the early 1980s, agrees. While joking once, he gave away the unconscious secret of his social role: "We [central bankers] have a haunting fear that someone, someplace may be happy."(28) To prevent the dreaded pleasure from continuing unabated, it may become necessary to cause a world-wide slump of major proportions. That is the real reason why at the present moment (August 1988) so many of the leaders of America's financial community are urging policies that could throw the world into a severe economic downturn.

As one financial expert describes the sacrificial scenario now being discussed, "After the election, the leadership of this country will say to the Fed, 'Go ahead and tighten [the money supply] boys.' The Federal Reserve tightens, interest rates rise, the economy slows. Then they will tell the next president and Congress to raise taxes... we're supposed to impose real austerity on the country. It scares me."(29)

Preparations for the internal sacrifice have already begun in America. Articles outlining "the slump we need" proliferate,(30) huge new taxes on consumption are proposed, (31) central banks world-wide have begun to move up interest rates,(32) the International Monetary Fund continues to keep Third World economies depressed so they cannot buy Western goods.(33) Debt and money supplies continue to soar, threatening an eventual sharp reduction-as with the Kwakiutl, the prelude to the destruction of money in a potlatch is the proliferation of debt.

The problem with the suggestion that the President should cause "a small recession" like the one at the beginning of Reagan's term so as "to be in a recovery mode in time for your own reelection campaign'' (34) is that the American economy is in much worse shape in 1988 than in 1980. Debt is far higher, trade is unbalanced, banks are far shakier, corporations less sound. Telling America to undergo "a small recession" now is like telling a man at the edge of a cliff to take "a small jump."(35)

But of course that's the purpose, in the end, of all these austerity proposals. Have a giant potlatch, throw our money and our goods into the fire, cleanse the evil world of its sins in one sacrificial orgy, make our lives-and our money-pure once again. As Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon said in 1929 as the Federal Reserve pushed the world into the Great Depression, "It will purge the rottenness out of the system.''(36)

For behind homo economics lurks homo necans, sacrificial man, filled with guilt at the audacity of carrying out his wishes, this is the legacy of our childhood - and the goal of our institutions. Only a considerable amount of emotional maturity can prevent us from repeating the patterns of the past.

It all depends on which side of the coin we choose; the pleasure or the guilt. Heads, you win. Tails, you lose.

REFERENCES

1. The best compilation of psychoanalytic work on money is Ernest Bornemann, The Psychoanalysis of Money. New York: Urizen Books, 1976. It also contains an ex-cellent bibliography on the subject.

2. Bronislaw Matinowski, Argonauts of the Western Pacific: An Account of Native Enterprise and Adventure in the Archipelagoes of Melanesian New Guinea. London: Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1922.

3. Marcel Mauss, The Gift: Forms and Functions of Exchange in Archaic Societies. New York: W. W. Norton & Co., 1967.

4. Clellan S. Ford, Smoke From Their Fires: The Life of a Kwakiutl Chief New York: Archon Books, 1968, p.182.

5. Helen Codere, Fighting With Property: A Study of Kwakiutl Potlatching and War-fare 1792-1930. New York: American Ethnological Society, 1961.

6. Stanley Walens, Feasting With Cannibals: An Essay on Kwakiutl Cosmology. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1981, p. 12.

7. Ibid, p. 15.

8. Melanie Klein, "Notes on Some Schizoid Mechanisms," in Joan Riviere, Ed., Developments in Psycho-Analysis. London: The Hogarth Press, 1952, pp. 292ff.

9. See "The Poison Builds Up," in Lloyd deMause, Reagan's America. New York: Creative Roots, 1984, pp. 114-135.

10. Wilfred R. Bion, Second Thoughts: Selected Papers on Psycho-Analysis. London: William Heinemann Medical Books, 1967, pp.65-68.

11. Man Dundes, "Heads or Tails: A Psychoanalytic Study of Potlatch," The Journal of Psychological Anthropology 2(1979): 395-424. 1 would extend Dundes' brilliant analysis of potlatch anality to include other levels of poisons. fetal (blood) oral and genital.

12. Main Testart, "Game Sharing Systems and Kinship Systems Among Hunter-Gatherers," Man (n.s.) 22(1987):287-304.

13. A. L. Epstein, "Tambu: The Shell-Money of the Tolai." In R. H. Hook, ed. Fantasy and Symbol.' Studies in Anthropo(ogical Interpretation. London: Academic Press, 1979.

14. Raymond Firth, Primitive Polynesian Economy. London: George Routledge & Sons,
1939, p.224.

15. "The Fetal Origins of History," in Lloyd deMause, Foundations of Psychohistory. New York: Creative Roots, 1982, pp.244-332.

16. Gloria Goodwin Raheja. The Poison in the Gift: Ritual, Presentation, and the Dominant Caste in a North Indian Village. Chicago: The Uttiversity of Chicago Press, 1988.

17. Ian Morris, "Gift and Commodity in Archaic Greece." Alan n.s. 21(1986):l-17.

18. Hesiod, Works and Days, 38.

19. Richard Bradley, "The Destruction of Wealth in Later Prehistory." Man n.s. 17 (1982): 108-122.

20. Bernhard Laum, Heiliges Geld: eine historische Untersuchung ueder den sakrelen Ursprung des Galeds. Tuebingen: J. D. Mohr, 1924

21. See William H. Desmonde. "The Origin of Money in the Animal Sacrifice." in Ernest Bornemann, Ed., The Psychoanalysis of Money, New York : Urizen Books, 1976, pp 113-133

22. Paul Einzig, Primitive Money: In its Ethnological Historical and Economic Aspects. 2nd Ed., Rev. Oxford: Pergamon Press, 1966, p. 190.

23. T.F. Carney, The Economics of Antiquity: Controls, Gifts and Trade. Lawrence, Kansas: Coronado Press, 1973.

24. Jacques Fe Cuff, Your Money or Your Life: Economy and Religion in the Middle Ages. New York: Zone Books, 1988, p.60.

25. See "Carrying Out the Sacrifice," in Lloyd deMause, Reagan's America. New York Creative Roots, 1984, pp.68-90.

26. "Is Peace Really Breaking Out All Over?'' Newsweek, August 1, 1988.

27. William Greider, Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country. Ncw York: Simon and Schuster, 1987, p.65.

28. Ibid, p.70.

29. William Greider, "The Shadow Debate on the American Economy.'' Rolling Stone, July 14-28,1988, p.85.

30. Paul Blustein, "Squeeze Play: The Slump We Need Has Started" Washington Post, February 7, 1988, p. C1; Maxwell Newton, "Fed Must Move to Stem Growth in 14.5;. Economy," New York Post, January 26, 1988, p.35 The Inevitable Tax Hike," U.S. News & World Report, July 11, 1988, p.17; Jeff Faux The Austerity Trap and the Growth Alternative," World Policy Journal 3(1988) 367 414 Eliot Janeway. "It's a Bad Time To Cut Consumption," The New York Times May Is, 1988, p. F3; William Greider, "The Shadow Debate on the American Economy ' Rolling Stone, July 14-28,1988, pp. 85ff.

31. John B. Judis, "Cuomo Report Warns of Potential Economic Split," In These Times, July 6-19,1988, p.2.

32. "Dearer Money Comes Creeping Back," The Economist, may 7, 1988, p. 71.

33. John Eisendrath, "How the IME Makes the World Safe for Depression, The Washington Monthly, February 1983, pp.15-20.

34. William Greider, "The Shadow Debate on the American Economy," Rolling Stone, July 14-28,1988, p.86.

35 . Since America's trade deficits and budget deficits are so high, Washington is no longer so free to use monetary and fiscal stimulations to reverse the recession; see Barry Fichengreen and Jeffrey A. Frankel, ''Now It's Harder to Fix a Recession.'' The New York Times August 14, 1988, pg. 1:19.

36. William Greider, Secrets of the Temple, p .300.

h/t Filip Dousek

 

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Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:17 | 1252957 Sock Puppet
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After this week's bloodbath, "some of these people probably would never touch silver again," says Mr. Smith of Bache Commodities.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703859304576307380172271272.html

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:21 | 1252965 Sock Puppet
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Long-time fans of precious metals often are mavericks who can be suspicious of mainstream securities firms, wary of financial catastrophe and reluctant to keep their money in the bank. They often rely on the advice of newsletter writers, obscure websites and coin-shop proprietors or their own research.


Silver-Mad Small Investors Fueled an Epic Rise and Fall

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703859304576307380172271272.html

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:34 | 1253007 traderjoe
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Did you just reply to yourself so that you could post the same article twice? A precious metals hit job from the Mainstream Media? 

Fail!

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 13:28 | 1253143 topcallingtroll
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He probably forgot to change avatars.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 04:35 | 1254791 Harlequin001
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'They often rely on the advice of newsletter writers, obscure websites and coin-shop proprietors or their own research.'

Yes, it's what keeps my money in my pocket, and doesn't require a multi trillion dollar bailout to ensure I don't lose it...

and yes, Sock Puppet is a troll...

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:28 | 1252993 WmMcK
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That may be true of some of the johnny-come-latelies and weak hands.

I'm new here, but am impressed so far that zh'ers do not fit this profile.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:46 | 1253045 Oracle of Kypseli
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Minor set back even for the latecomers, as long as we are talking about physical.

Next uptrend will be more powerful as there will be no physical available. As it has been calculated numerous times, if everyone buys a few silver coins it will be game over for the dark forces.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 13:26 | 1253140 Hephasteus
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When I bought gold at 930 it topped to 1050 and disappered for long time to 850ish area. I just preserved cash and waited it out.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 13:27 | 1253142 WmMcK
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I buy as much as i can with FRN.  The 10K limit per dealer does make me plan my trips to save  petrol.  Wife and a few others are on board.

When the ratio's in range I also trade the other metals for silver (anonomously).

I'm not a persuasive recruiter yet but will barter even at a slight discount to get others in the game.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 14:15 | 1253263 firefighter302
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Never touch silver again?   LOL, the ETF traders never touched it in the first place...

Keep stacking physical silver.

Firefighter302

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 16:50 | 1253683 Johnbrown
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Exactly. Therein lies the irony.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 01:29 | 1254708 longorshort
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They are still still trying to make a hole big enough in their backyard for the comex deliveries LOL.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 04:37 | 1254792 Harlequin001
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Now that JPM has it's own vault, the delivery of physical for settlement is now largely irrelevant...

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:33 | 1253003 Dr. Porkchop
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I think i'll be keeping my money.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:52 | 1253065 The Navigator
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I think I'll be keeping my silver and gold.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 14:46 | 1253352 Dr. Porkchop
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 That's what I meant ;)

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 04:38 | 1254793 Harlequin001
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We know what you meant Porkchop, even though you said it wrong...

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:38 | 1253011 Troy Ounce
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Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:36 | 1253016 brodix
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There is some minor cyclical truth in here; That the old must go in order for the new to rise, but somebody has been drinking too much bath water.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:39 | 1253029 Troy Ounce
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I understand stinking rich came from the unpleasant odours from the graves of the rich underneath marble grave stones placed on the floor and as part of the walk ways in European cathedrals?

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 16:25 | 1253618 dark pools of soros
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You will leave such a prestigious stench my Lord

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:41 | 1253039 blindman
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fascinating. btfd.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:45 | 1253041 velobabe
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p o_o p!

happy mother's day, stay strong mothers, they want to kill us and take our children.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 13:22 | 1253129 slewie the pi-rat
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happy mother's day, v_babe! 

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 13:25 | 1253144 Hephasteus
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Happy mothers day Velobabe!!

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 12:50 | 1253052 nevadan
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Psychobabble

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 15:48 | 1253534 Stormdancer
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Psychobabble?  What ever do you mean??

Can't you see this is proof that it's NOT greedy banksters and corrupt politicians that are responsible for what's coming. 

It's a well documented historical need for societies to transfer all that accrued guilt from having enough to eat healthy, enjoy the fruit of their labors and have some dignity in their elder years?

The bankers are just a kindly monetary priesthood serving the deep psychological needs of lesser mortals.

Right.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 04:39 | 1254795 Harlequin001
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I'm guilty as fuck me, now, who wants my gold...

Perhaps JPM could make me feel a whole lot better by taking it from me in another manipulative route...

Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase 'doing gods' work'...

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 13:03 | 1253092 Sophist Economicus
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OK Tyler, time to stop visiting the local 'New Age' shops, get on a plane and have a REAL vacation, you earned it....

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 13:16 | 1253118 equity_momo
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Is that article basically about wiping ones ass with 100 dollar bills?

 

Totally bizarro.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 13:20 | 1253127 Sophist Economicus
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Yes, but instead of flushing them when your done, you then give the money to your friends and neighbors.   Whoo hoo

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 13:31 | 1253153 Hephasteus
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No it's an article about why Dick Fuld buys gold toilets.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 13:17 | 1253119 Oh regional Indian
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Wow! such a superbly insightful article. 

Something about the nature of money became clear to me as I read. Definitely a keeper.

 

Heads you win, tails you lose! Priceless.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/movement-water-radioactivity-etc/

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 14:39 | 1253151 Rynak
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If i could junk an article, i would junk this one. It is full of arbitrary connections.

All this article is, is an opinion - but the author's mind is weak, as typical for humans, he cannot just make such an absolutistic statement by saying that it is HIM who decides it. Rather, it needs some external justification... something else that "makes it so".... so that the author is not the subject but the object.... he's just reporting it... something else is doing it.

To come up with this external justification of his opinion, he just pulls relationships out of his ass.... even goes as far as claiming linguistic relationships where there are absolutely none in the definition of the terms.

Hey, smartass..... how about this.... i give someone out of nowhere ANY form of wealth... and exactly the same as your initial example will happen. That this has anything to do with money specifically is pure bullshit. All it means is "someone did give me something for no reason and with no compensation, without owing me anything.... so now i feel i owe him something in return"

P.S.: What is true, is that money is closely related to "guilt/debt" (there really isn't much difference between both) and wealth. It is so, becaus it's only purpose IS a latent transaction... the intermediate state between having received something, and returning the favour.

The supposed "dual nature" simply is a matter of POV: When i owe someone something, i'm in debt/guilt, and the other one "owns" that debt (this is why others being indebted to me, counts as wealth for me.... unfortunatelly, economists like to ignore that in reality, it is just POTENTIAL wealth.... i will only "have" it once the debt is paid... and it may not be paid (default) ).

However, this again is not specific to "money". To understand this, lets first figure out something else. When trades happen, it looks a bit like the following:

Point A ---(X)----> Point B ----(Y)----> Point C

In this example, at point A the traders each have certain physical goods. They control them... the goods aren't something which they "potentially" have - they actually have them.

Then, process X happens.... the first trade.... the traders exchange goods. However, the problem is that they may possibly not all make this trade instantly.... one trader may first send his wares, and then afterwards the other trader sending his wares to "return the favour". Thus, there is an intermediate phase, which i here call "X".

The problem then is how to keep track of things during this intermediate state. We could simply on a piece of paper make a contract, that says who still "owes" someone what. THIS is debt!

Or, we could use an "intermediate currency": All trades are actually settled instantly, but in smaller steps.... if trader A exports cows but needs chicken, and trader B exports chicken but needs cow, then with an intermediate currency, this happens:

1. Trader A gives trader B cows

2. Trader B gives trader A intermediate currency

3. Trader B gives trader A chicken

4. Trader A gives trader B intermediate currency

 

Now, as for what to use as the intermediate currency? One could just use a good, that has some generic purpose, or which generally is accepted as intermediate currency. Or we could print fiat.

Printing fiat is easier, can be manipulated, and has the advantage of easy transfer (nowadays even electronically). But the problem is that fiat by itself is rather useless, and its value at the whim of the issuer. THIS is what makes people feel fiat being so similiar to debt: It's all mental and just there for the purpose of tracking debt during the intermediate phase.

With PMs on the other hand, everyone at every phase owns something physical. However, the problem with physical is that it cannot be easily transfered, especially not electronically. Thats not so much a problem when going shopping locally, but it becomes a problem in long-distance trades. Even with bank-deposits, either every bank needs to have a giant PM storage, and transport stuff around the world like mad.... or you end up with something in-between physical and fiat: SLV :)

 

P.S. 2.: If the above still not made it clear, why fiat is not "debt-based", and physical not "wealth-based", then think about it like this: You can use anything to "track debt". You can use fiat to track debt in the intermediate phase, and you can use physical to track debt in the intermediate phase. The difference is just that fiat cannot do anything else than this, while physical can also be used for other purposes (wealth). Or in other words: "Debt" and "Wealth" is not in the things.... it is what you use them for (and what you can use them for).

 

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 16:33 | 1253638 RockyRacoon
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Talk about your arbitrary connections...

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:06 | 1254135 Snidley Whipsnae
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Anthropology is full of 'arbitrary connections', gained from living amongst the subject groups, observing their behavior, and making a record of what is observed.

The author does not credit Margaret Mead for her work in anthropology. Why not? Mead observed and recorded exactly what the author of this article writes about when she was living among the American Indians of the Pacific Northwest.

How would anyone carry out an anthropological study if it was not accomplished by observation and recording what is found?

Perhaps it's an inconvenient truth that money and guilt are associated in all observed cultures throughout history... That it is inconvenient does not make it not so. 

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 20:24 | 1254164 Rynak
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Okay, point taken.... it may be, that we here simply have a conflict of interest.

If the articles point was to point out that CULTURALLY people view money as tainted and sinfull, and simultaneusly as ecstatic blessing, then this point certainly is true. The way how it attempts to "prove" this, is desperate grasping for "relation implies causation". So, if that was the point of the article, then i view it as "correct result via invalid procedures".

As for the conflicting interests: I do not care much about culture and morals. I care about what is true regardless of culture and morals. I mean, heck.... if all one wanted is to understand current morals, why go through all such complicated procedures, and all those pointless citations to give the paper a coat of "professionality" and "authority"? I don't need a fucking degree and all kinds of historic research, to know that people associate money with guilt - even that they think it corrupts which means that it "makes one evil". Knowing what current morals are like, doesn't require "research".... understanding WHY those morals exist, and what is true in the absense of specific morals does require research.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 14:19 | 1253272 Pimp Juice
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If anyone here wants to offload some guilt, I am willing to take it off your hands.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 15:07 | 1253410 uhb
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+7$

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 14:36 | 1253322 schizo321437
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Hmm, if you want to throw money away in a sacrificial orgy just buy a Damian Hurst.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 14:42 | 1253342 silberblick
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Here's a real psychoanalysis of the situation and a hilarious animation exhorting folks to get even against the banksters and government: http://thesilvergoldhedge.blogspot.com/2011/05/join-sla-to-get-even-and-regain-your.html

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 14:48 | 1253354 Dr. Porkchop
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcYBSXgtmKQ

 

Watch all parts of this.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 17:01 | 1253722 anony
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The one and only thing I feel guilty about is telling a very, very attractive, intelligent, leggy, and well endowed young lady---- who was experiencing some fear of living alone in her apartment----when she asked to stay with me one night ( and I said yes) that I didn't make any amorous advances towards her. Sleeping in the same bed.

This I will never forgive myself for. I still wear a hairshirt on the anniversary of that night and will forever.

oh the horror.....

And that's why my avatar is,  "Anony". I am that mortified.

Gawd, I hope she's reading this.

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 17:19 | 1253768 michigan independant
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I have tested this effect of coca, which wards off hunger, sleep, and fatigue and steels one to intellectual effort, some dozen times on myself; I had no opportunity to engage in physical work.


From ‘Über Coca’, Centralblatt für die ges. Therapie, 2, pp. 289–314, 1884 Sigmund Freud

 

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 18:44 | 1253955 indio007
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I read in a law book that the law shuns a profit. I wish I could remember the name of it . The premise was that a profit is presumptively an unfair trade because there is no profit when there is an even exchange.

 

 

 

 

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 19:12 | 1254020 Rynak
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The idea of "profit" in financial procedures is a bit missleading, because the aspects by which profit is calculated, usually aren't the complete picture.

An example: Let's say, i provide a service to someone. Let's further assume, that providing this service involves no "costs" on my part... all i invest is my time and effort.

So, did i just make 100% profit - a totally unfair trade?

Let's zoom out a bit: Someone else had a problem. I provided the service of solving this problem. The customer thus "gained" something, and he paid a price for it which is easily in his budget (lets assume that my prices are nice)

As for me, i use this income to pay living costs. Let's assume after theses costs, i have no income left.

What does the balance sheet say? Well, WHICH balance sheet? The one according to which i will pay taxes? That one will register 100% profits, because my living costs aren't covered in it.

Sooo, does that mean that "fairness" is just a matter of which aspects you include in the calculation?

Well, it certainly matters, yes, but even that isn't all. To show this, a little twist on the example: Let's say, i charge insane prices for my services, so that i can pay for a ridicously wasteful lifestyle and a truckload of luxury.... the balancesheet will register zero... no profit, no loss.... does that mean that it's fair?

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 21:44 | 1254335 Wakanda
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"On The Psychoanalysis of Money..."

Tyler, money can't be psychoanalyzed, it's a thing, it has no psych.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 05:52 | 1254455 Clay Hill
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Intriguing analysis.

I'm surprised no one else here has mentioned the correlation between the shamanistic traditions described and the Judaic, (and by extension) Christian practise of Tithing. Seems like a close match. I could be wrong. I wasn't raised in a sect that practised it, and don't have direct knowledge of it.

 

Anywho, I gotta agree with nevadan, Rynak, and Stormdancer on this one.

Complete psychobabble.

Lloyd goes straight off his nut trying to claim any such redemptive role for CB's or .Gov wealth re-distribution scemes.

 

Sun, 05/08/2011 - 23:33 | 1254551 andyupnorth
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Interesting.  My two-year-old daughter simply loves to throw perfectly good things in the garbage.  She empties out the floss and tosses it in the trash.  She grabs a few squares of toilet paper and, without using it for anything, just tosses it the toilet and flushes. She opens the box of Godiva chocolates, takes a minuscule bite out of each one and tosses it away.

I concluded a while back that her needs are so met, that there's always more clothes and always more food that magically appears, that she feels the need to spoil things regularly.

Although I'm in the process of educating her on how it's wrong to waste so that others can enjoy the object (i.e. share), this article does add some perspective to it all...

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