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QE2: The Ship Is Leaving The Dock

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From The Daily Capitalist

You can always tell when something is up when the Fed presidents are making news. For the past several days we've heard  Bernanke, Bullard (St. Louis), and now Evans (Chicago) talk about quantitative easing. The NY Fed's President William Dudley and Brian Sack Exec. VP in charge of carrying out FOMC decisions, have made major speeches about it. You have to understand that the Fed always has a purpose in its communications with the public, and rarely do its interlocutors stray from the official script.

The gist of each of these communiques has been that the Fed will soon, perhaps by the November 2 meeting, start massive additional purchases of Treasurys in order to create inflation. They wish to create inflation because they are clearly worried about "deflation."[1] According to a recent report by Goldman Sach's Jan Hatzius, as reported in todays Zero Hedge by fellow reporter Tyler Durden, GS believes that the Fed will buy at least $500 million of medium-term Treasury's, probably $1 trillion, and "possibly much more."

The Fed hierarchy believes that price inflation is necessary to enable them to carry out their mandate: maintain stable prices and full employment. They will attempt to stimulate the economy by massive quantitative easing (QE), a process by which the Fed monetizes the debt of the federal government. This is one of the ways the Fed can expand money supply. Price inflation, they believe, will create economic activity by reducing the debt burden on borrowers, maintain asset values, improve credit, and create additional income from consumers. And, importantly, they believe it will prevent price deflation.

Today I went through 30 pages of reports including the official texts of Messrs. Dudley's and Sack's speeches, whom I believe to be the most important players at the Fed next to Ben Bernanke.

What is infuriating to me is that they still do not have a clue why i) the boom-bust cycle occurred, ii) why the monetary and fiscal remedies have failed, and iii) what will happen when they print massive amounts of money in QE ($1 trillion plus).

President Dudley according to my review of his lengthy speech,  is the ultimate post-Keynesian, neoclassical, econometrician Monetarist tinkerer. He states that the Fed can set goals for the economy with some precision and carry them out. I believe that much of this kind of talk is "communique" from the Fed that is meant to make financial actors believe that the Fed is in control of the situation. He says:

As the central bank, we and we alone can control inflation—if not precisely in the short run, then over the medium term. By clarifying our intentions, we can reduce the risk of further disinflation.

And, in reference to the Fed's exit strategy, he said:

[T]he Federal Reserve has the tools to control financial conditions and credit creation even with an expanded balance sheet.

In fact they are far from being in control and Dudley's speech is both fascinating and frightening at the same time. One could raise the questions: If they were in charge of things, i) why did they let the crisis happen, and ii) why haven't they revived the economy two years after October 2008?

I'm going to take you through Mr. Dudley's speech and point out to you why we are in so much trouble.

First we need to examine his, and I assume the Federal Reserve's, view of QE. Dudley says:

I am very mindful of concerns here and abroad that balance sheet expansion could be interpreted as a policy of monetizing the federal debt. However, I regard this view to be fundamentally mistaken. It misses the point of what would be motivating the Federal Reserve. The FOMC would only engage in large-scale asset purchases in order to push the economy more rapidly toward the dual mandate goals of full employment and price stability. Once these goals were accomplished, there would be no basis for further purchases regardless of the government’s fiscal position because additional purchases would not be consistent with this mandate.

This is an astounding statement from an economist so prominent as Mr. Dudley. He is saying that debt monetization isn't really debt monetization when they do it for good reasons. He says they wouldn't do it for bad reasons, such as if the economy was fine but the government was still running massive deficits. He notes that those reasons don't fit into their mandate. But since I am certain that the government will continue to run massive deficits, would not the result be higher interest rates, putting a halt to the inflationary boom they create with QE? Perhaps he should have read Mr. Bernanke's speech on Monday:

In the short run, "concerns and uncertainty about exploding future deficits could make households, businesses, and investors more cautious about spending, capital investment, and hiring," he said in remarks prepared for a meeting of the Rhode Island Public Expenditure Council.

 

"In the longer term, a rising level of government debt relative to national income is likely to put upward pressure on interest rates and thus inhibit capital formation, productivity, and economic growth," Mr. Bernanke said.

In reviewing this and other statements by Mr. Dudley, I believe we will have the desired for inflation they wish for, but it will not be mild.

Most disturbing to me is that Mr. Dudley's explanation of the boom and the bust fail to mention anything about the role of the Fed in the cycle. He discusses the conventional wisdom explanations such as the run up in housing prices, the decline in mortgage standards, the rise of CDOs, and the spending financed by home equity loans. Nowhere does he mention the real causes of the boom: lowering the Fed Funds rate to 1%, thus exploding the money supply, or the role of the federal government and GSEs in guaranteeing the mortgage market's abandonment of common sense underwriting standards.

To his and the NY Fed's credit he fully acknowledges the problems that exist in the economy, including the credit crunch, the decline in real estate values as collateral for loans, deleveraging in all sectors of the economy, increased savings by consumers, lack of loan demand by businesses and consumers, and the reality that there may be a "sea change" in consumer spending-savings patterns.

Then Mr. Dudley gets to his point: we need price inflation to prevent price deflation. He explains the need for more price inflation than we are currently experiencing (1.5% per the PCE deflator).

[A] decline in inflation expectations that drives up the real interest rate and thereby increases the real cost of credit cannot be offset by simply lowering the federal funds rate. Thus, in a very direct sense, a fall in inflation expectations when the target interest rate is at the zero bound represents a de facto tightening of monetary policy and of financial conditions. Such a tightening would clearly be highly undesirable at a moment when unemployment is too high, inflation is too low and the economy has only moderate forward momentum.

And why are falling price inflation expectations important?

As the central bank, we and we alone can control inflation—if not precisely in the short run, then over the medium term. By clarifying our intentions, we can reduce the risk of further disinflation—or even an outright debt-deflation spiral that would make it still more difficult to accomplish the necessary balance-sheet adjustments.

Deflation is the core of the Fed's anxiety. By creating price inflation debt can be paid off cheaply. Who are the big debtors right now? The consumer and the federal government (actually all governments). If we experience price deflation, money will be more valuable, debtors will have a greater burden, creditors will benefit, but the upside is that goods will be cheaper.

But, Mr. Dudley is, of course, on the side of debtors, not creditors. He believes that by careful purchases of Treasurys, perhaps at least $500 billion, they can effect a reduction of long-term interest rates from 50 to 75 basis points. They will target maturities from 2 to 10 years, average 5 years, and thus reduce the holding period price inflation risk premia for such debt. This would reduce interest rates or at least prevent a further decline.

The benefits of such renewed price inflation:

Even in today’s challenging circumstances, lower long-term rates would support the economy through a number of channels. Lower long-term rates would support the value of assets, including houses and equities and household net worth. Lower long-term rates would make housing more affordable and support consumption by enabling households to refinance their mortgages at lower rates. This would increase the amount of income left over for other spending. Of course, this channel can be made more powerful to the extent that further progress can be made in efficient mortgage debt restructurings that allow households with negative equity in their homes to take advantage of the drop in mortgage rates. In addition, lower long-term rates would reduce the cost of capital for businesses, thereby fostering higher levels of capital spending for any given economic outlook.

This is of course is an economic chimera. What he fails to see is that by benefiting debtors, he reduces the incomes of creditors. Thus there is really no net gain when you think it through. The price inflated dollars used to pay back  creditors are now worth less than when the debt obligation was originally created, so in effect, this policy just transfers money from creditors to debtors. But then the federal government is a debtor. In essence, they are trying to avoid the consequences of the housing boom and bust by creating a new inflationary boom.

There are further depressing mistakes he makes about the economy. Such as the idea that with capacity utilization low, it might be hard to start price inflation. Of course, that just isn't true. During the stagflation of the 1970s we had high price inflation and low capacity utilization. These little ideas are the reason we are still having big problems.

The important question is: how much? Mr. Dudley and Mr. Sacks refer to research that supports their contention that $500 million of new QE will result in a long-term interest rate reduction of 50 basis points. Goldman Sachs believes that will be the minimum number. I don't really know, but half a billion now sounds right to me. The key to the intensity of their efforts will be the unemployment numbers. Lately they appear to be bottoming out and new jobless claims are on the decline. I believe that a lagging manufacturing sector will spillover into the general economy and keep a lid on employment, perhaps even decreasing it further. If the data coming in from the EU and other buyer of US goods continue to soften, then a slowdown will hit the multinationals as well.

If unemployment does increase or fail to trend down, then you could see the QE2 exploding well beyond $1 trillion. This, despite Mr. Dudley's protestations would monetize more debt which would lead to higher inflation than the Fed ever intended. This of course is difficult to predict because you have to tell me what the Fed and the government would do in the future. As Mr. Dudley said:

In making our assessments about next steps, we need to be a bit humble about our capacity to forecast how market participants would respond to our actions. We do not control their behavior nor have much historical experience that we can draw on to easily assess how they are likely to behave. Even viewpoints that turned out to be incorrect could persist for a long time and generate adverse consequences. It is not enough for us to be right in theory. We also have to be convincing in practice and in explaining why concerns we think are misplaced are indeed unwarranted.

He has no idea how right he is. I am still convinced the Fed has no idea what it is doing.

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1. In order to not confuse my readers, I need to be more precise in how I define inflation and deflation. My definitions are different than the Fed's. The Fed and most economists say inflation is a general rise of prices and deflation is the opposite, a decline in prices. In Austrian theory, inflation is an increase in money supply and deflation is a decrease in money supply. Thus inflation and deflation are monetary phenomenon. One of the results of inflation is rising prices. Other impacts are a distortion of the entrepreneurial process which leads to our typical boom-bust business cycles. I will refer to the Fed's usage as "price inflation" or "price deflation."

 

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Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:25 | 629723 kengland
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+1

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:17 | 629698 Edwardo
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"But, Mr. Dudley is, of course, on the side of debtors, not creditors. He believes that by careful purchases of Treasurys, perhaps at least $500 billion, they can effect a reduction of long-term interest rates from 50 to 75 basis points."

If he were on the side of debtors he would simply arrange to pay off their debt, not simply engage in lowering the price of crack. The Fed can't solve the problem, my friend, because the very way they operate is the problem.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:16 | 629694 Cyan Lite
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I wonder if the QE2 announcement will coincide with an "All-new Special Episode" of Dancing With The Stars...

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:16 | 629693 starfish
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Watch this video series and tell me again that you think they do not know what they are doing.

http://csper.org/renaissance-20.html

 

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 15:28 | 630134 RockyRacoon
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Get real, too much video for me.  Could you capsulize it for me?  Get it down to 25 words or less.   I have a dozen other ZH articles to get to!

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:00 | 629643 nevadan
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The Fed is like a trader adding to a loser.  Increase the leverage hoping for a change in trend to bail the trade out.  It's a classic Joseph Heller moment.  The first step in cutting losses short is admitting a mistake, but they can't admit a mistake because it would destroy confidence, (a vanishing commodity, that) but at the same time they can't do nothing or else the levitation act will collapse.  

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 16:15 | 630259 Rahm
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+55

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 12:54 | 629614 tunaman4u2
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Once I put 100% of my savings in gold I can't buy anymore... my wages keep shrinking to costs & then I have to sell off my gold to survive. Its better than having my savings inflated away but either way we are screwed... I'm not whistling to work holding gold when bread is $50 bucks & gas $20 per gallon. 

We lose no matter what eh? 

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 12:57 | 629630 tunaman4u2
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Reminds me of reverse mortgages for the elderly, is Gold the next reverse mortgage? Retire dead broke no matter what is the Feds mandate

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:36 | 629743 Widowmaker
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Make the demise of generational wealth your focus and you are correct.   It's bigger than the elderly, it's taking everything.

Most people would be happy if interest on savings kept up with shadow inflation, but no, it's robbing the savers blind too.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 12:53 | 629612 Bankster T Cubed
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yeah...whateva

the final unravelling has begun, with or without QE2 thanks to the criminal banksters quantitative squeezing of the past 5 weeks....12 years.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 12:50 | 629602 Goldenballs
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Propaganda for the masses.Buy Gold,buy Silver,make them earn their money,then put em out of a job.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 12:43 | 629572 Sudden Debt
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Yeah... if only China revalued their yuan, all of this wasn't necessary.

That's why the Fed need to do this. Evil Chinese...

Or can we blame somebody else?

 

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 15:26 | 630126 RockyRacoon
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Or can we blame somebody else?

It's all Obama's fault ... somehow.  I'll figger it out and get back to you.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:48 | 629790 dhengineer
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If the Chinese are "forced" to revalue the Yuan upward, doesn't that mean that they have to sell their stash of USTs and buy Yuan, thus crashing the "dollar"?  How does any effort to revalue the Yuan work in our favor?  Or, maybe that's the Fed's plan all along.  Make the Chinese the heavy, blame them for the smoking ruin that once was the dollar, and deflect blame away from the inept trolls manning the Fed printing presses.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 14:38 | 629946 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Pls see Martin Wolf in the FT today

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/52b8a8e4-d0b0-11df-8667-00144feabdc0.html

Please see Michael Pettis

www.mpettis.com

The Chinese have foreign reserves of more than 50% of GDP. Their economy is growing increasingly lopsided on investment and exports, as is ours which has become nothing but finance based where in 2007 50% of all earnings on the SP5 were from financial companies.

Revaluing the YUAN is one lever which should decrease Chinese dependance on exports and help to decrease US dependance in imports.

That is certainly not the end of it and of course there is Steve Roach's argument that Americans simply need to save more ... And that means consume less and invest more.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 14:53 | 630005 minus dog
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Save more of what?  The younger generations increasingly have nothing to save.  Wages and salaries are stagnant.  Entry level pay for jobs requiring degrees will often land you solidly in food stamp territory, depending on your household size.

Meanwhile the older workers in lower end jobs (the ones who still have them) who are making more than your typical entry level college grad are blowing all their money on beer, tobacco, and nascar hats.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 15:14 | 630093 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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I need a nascar hat ...

Tough situation. But when the bills come due as they are now, what other alternatives are there?

The Chinese only quite recently in history were enjoying the fruits of self discipline and utter deprivation during the cultural revolution. Chairman Mao was an utter nut job and they ate so much dirt I don't think that we have any idea of what that kind of a life style that means. The depression of the 30s in the US was a picnic in comparison.

I'm not endorsing a cultural revolution here. But in essence, the culture of consumption in the US will change. Blowing your money on Beer and Tobacco is fine if you are counting on Social Security to help tide you over when you retire (even better if you have Obamacare to help you through health issues). 

Personally, I would not count on either.  When Obama said Change was coming, I don't think he had any idea ...

Nor do I personally think that consuming less material goods is a bad thing in and of itself. It may lead to a higher quality of life, despite what the US Chamber of Commerce is telling you.

Flip side is that if left to the multi national corporations, jobs will never come back.

 

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 16:47 | 630389 gmrpeabody
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I'd really love to debate the issue with you. I mean, I could really unload and tear you to pieces on this one... if I could just find where you went wrong. Let me re-read your post and I'll get back to you.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 18:40 | 630653 Fearless Rick
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Beer and tobacco are just fine and eminently affordable, if the tax authorities would get out of the way. No need for SS either if Americans were allowed (note that word, like we need permission) to DRINK, SMOKE AND SAVE OUR OWN DAMN MONEY.

And then this insult: "If we experience price deflation, money will be more valuable, debtors will have a greater burden, creditors will benefit, but the upside is that goods will be cheaper."

Cheaper goods equates with more money to pay off debts. This argument, which has been going around for years, is complete nonsense.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:26 | 629729 kengland
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What does the Yuan have to do with anything? These guys are newbs relativley speaking.

They took the concept of stealing from the Japaneese...circa 1978-present.

 

Ever wonder why J6P never rants about Japaneese manipulation?

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:18 | 629705 ATTILA THE WIMP
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Belgium. The B52s are on the way.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 13:59 | 629832 pyite
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Yeah, those Phlegms have it coming to them...

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 16:13 | 630247 Rahm
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Never waste a good crisis...

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 12:42 | 629566 Robslob
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Excuse me...I am having a Prechter moment...

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 21:57 | 631023 Sam Clemons
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Does anyone else think that they might be just bluffing?  I recall the speech where Bernanke said he could simply allude to printing more money to fight deflation.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 16:58 | 629880 More Critical T...
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What is infuriating to me is that they still do not have a clue why i) the boom-bust cycle occurred, ii) why the monetary and fiscal remedies have failed, and iii) what will happen when they print massive amounts of money in QE ($1 trillion plus).

There are answers for all three questions of yours - if you are looking for answers:

  • i) The boom-bust cycle occured because 1) the housing bubble was followed by a financial (banking) shock 2) the Bush administration squandered 2.1 trillion on tax cuts and ~3 trillion on the Iraq war instead of reducing the deficit and saving for worse times. The mother of all bubbles followed by the mother of all shocks, meeting a thoroughly mismanaged budget cycle. Three hurricanes forming the perfect storm of the century.
  • ii) The monetary and fiscal remedies failed because they were about half the size that was necessary to close the output gap. Subsequently the positive feedback loop of the hag-hunt game theory scenario (paradox of thrift, etc.) persisted and kept the economy depressed and kept a demand gap in place which keeps unemployment high. High unemployment only strengthens this positive feedback loop and is a historic example of a road to a long cycle of depression and human suffering. People and corporations all try to save at once - creating even worse problems.
  • iii) What will happen when the Fed prints another half trillion? The effective deficit raises another 4% real-GDP and long-term inflation goes up (rates go down) - possibly causing corporations to do more production, hire more workers, close the output gap, etc. - which might break us out of the paradox of thrift scenario. How effective this will be depends on the multiplicator between Fed action and real-economy reaction - and that is a big unknown. I'd guess if the Fed prints 1 trillion it might be enough - if it prints 0.5 trillion it might be too small.

If you have any other questions ...

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 17:29 | 630506 More Critical T...
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I missed this gem:

If we experience price deflation, money will be more valuable, debtors will have a greater burden, creditors will benefit, but the upside is that goods will be cheaper.

And, as we know it from the 1930s, deflation was such a great, wonderful experience, with upsides!

There was 25% unemployment and wage deflation, half the nation's production capacity was unused. Unemployed workers could not buy those 'cheaper' goods with the zero money they got - but bankers who hoarded their gold got richer and got their goods cheaper, which under Austrian economics is such a jolly good thing to have.

But on a tragic day the keynesians prevailed and some sort of stupid, shortsighted stimulus was enacted and the deficit ballooned - only to build useless entitelment crap like the Hoover dam, the newfangled 'A-Bomb', 'radar', a 'space' program, rebuild Europe and more. For global US dominance and prosperity it was clearly downhill from that point on.

We want deflation back again!

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 22:01 | 630985 Popo
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Is it your position that the private banking system represents a similar "public work" to the Hoover Dam, and that it's continued rescue via stimulus, legalized accounting fraud, and unprecedented government support represents a net job creator? Or will increase US hegemony?

Is it your position that the debasement of the US Dollar in the current geoindustrial scenario (in which a majority of US oil and US consumer products are imported) will result in price stability? Your use of historic models to justify what is a vastly different geopolitical and geoindustrial scenario is either deeply disingenuous or deeply misinformed. Either way, it is dangerous.

If you believe that it is possible to debase the US dollar sufficiently to restore America's balance of trade (and regrow America's manufacturing infrastructure) by tilting costs in favor of US labor, then you are quite simply insane. In a war of competitive devaluation with Asia, we will clearly lose.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 06:56 | 631696 More Critical T...
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Is it your position that the private banking system represents a similar "public work" to the Hoover Dam, and that it's continued rescue via stimulus, legalized accounting fraud, and unprecedented government support represents a net job creator?

Sadly, in the real economy banks are much more important than the Hoover Dam - they are at the heart of every economy, like it or not. (Btw., there are ways to reduce the looting in that critical piece of economic infrastructure - are you arguing for the nationalization of banks?)

And yes, financial shocks have the uncanny property to cause a decade or two of suffering, unemployment and general economic contraction. Compared to those kinds of problems the legalized theft via TARP is a trifle price to pay.

Or will increase US hegemony?

The point is for the US to not reduce US hegemony, voluntarily, amids the cheering of all competing nation-states.

All historic examples of banking crisis orginated depressions show that the country suffering them is not better off, at all. Well-known examples are US in the 1930s and Japan since the 1990s:

http://modeledbehavior.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/phillips_curve.jpg?w=...

Look at the Phillips curve, how unemployment goes up when prices go down. Compare it to the performance of the Nikkei index in the same timeframe.

Is it your position that the debasement of the US Dollar in the current geoindustrial scenario (in which a majority of US oil and US consumer products are imported) will result in price stability?

Our main problem is protracted price stability, in fact there's a steadily increasing expectation of disinflation (which, once it crosses below zero, means deflation):

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/chart?h=200&w=280&range=1y&type=gp_line&cf...

Check how from May 2010 it went from above 2% to 1.1% in September, in just four short months. (In September the Fed decided that this rate of disinflation is too dangerous and too fast and started communicating their concerns - the effects are already visible in market expectations, at the end of the curve.)

Inflation, which a blown up Fed balance sheet (and US debt) may cause in the long run is a walk in the park compared to deflation and depression ...

Your use of historic models to justify what is a vastly different geopolitical and geoindustrial scenario is either deeply disingenuous or deeply misinformed. Either way, it is dangerous.

If your only argument is that "they are different" then that's not much to base a rational discussion on.

If you believe that it is possible to debase the US dollar sufficiently to restore America's balance of trade (and regrow America's manufacturing infrastructure) by tilting costs in favor of US labor, then you are quite simply insane. In a war of competitive devaluation with Asia, we will clearly lose.

Lose in what way precisely? This is a common misconception I've seen here on ZH.

Fact is, Asia has little leverage over the US. The US, on the other hand, has a lot of leverage over China - the US is the main market of China and China has a massive trade surplus towards the US.

Importers control exporters much more than the other way around, so it is China who is vulnerable in any trade war.

The US could unilaterally strengthen the value of the yuan if it elected to do so.

So please explain this position of yours.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 19:38 | 630762 Nels
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The space program was in the 30s?  Who knew?

Right, let's bomb the h*ll out of some other continent and then get rich selling them the stuff to rebuild, that's the ticket!

No, I don't really see any realistic scenario that will make us the last standing un-bombed industrial economy this time around.

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 19:39 | 630761 Nels
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The space program was in the 30s?  Who knew?

Right, let's bomb the h*ll out of some other continent and then get rich selling them the stuff to rebuild, that's the ticket!

No, I don't really see any realistic scenario that will make us the last standing un-bombed industrial economy this time around.

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 06:20 | 631670 More Critical T...
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The space program was in the 30s?  Who knew?

FYI, it was the direct result of deficit spending - which spending started with the New Deal and then (after a short pause) continued during WWII - by which time the federal debt reached a level of 120% of GDP.

Which was then grown and inflated away. See:

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart_gs.php?year=1930_1960&view...

Right now US federal debt is at 95% of GDP.

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