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A Question Of Scale: A Destroyed Nuclear Reactor And A Concrete Pump
For all those who need a refresher of the scale issues at Fukushima, below we present a picture showing the scale comparison of a concrete pump and a destroyed nuclear reactor (in this case #4). A picture, in this case, is worth 1,000x scaling.
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Goliath has nothing on this whopper. And I don't see any Davids.
Another pump & dump operation.
The concrete option failed on saturday.
The "nuclear experts" have now turned to plan b: DIAPERS, SAWDUST and NEWSPAPER!!! When that fails too, will you feel safe when they next attempt to seal the cracked container with DUCT TAPE??
What happens when you pour a substance that expands 50 times it's normal size into a tight crevice? Well, the answer is...YOU BUST OPEN WIDE THE CRACK!
YES!! THOSE IDIOTS ARE TRYING TO CRACK OPEN THE CONCRETE CONTAINER!!
assuming the article is all we have to go on (unless you know what is this polymer?) "can expand to 50 times.." does not imply "will expand to 50 times.."
I mean.. surely people there have more information than you/we do. maybe they had at least the same thought that a layman would have? maybe the mixture would expand upward where there is no resistance, eventually "boiling" over at the top if enough was poured? what's the point of being one voice in a cacaphony of uninformed know-it-alls on the sidelines? Yes surely I feel that the reaction hasn't been as good as it could have been, at least, in that surely we could have gotten generators airlifted in there before so many things went wrong.. but after that, how can anyone who isn't in the know be of any help with comments like this? I guess you're just venting frustration.. I want to know why it took so long for other countries to step in and do something. Also, I would not assume that communication between countries on this matter isn't happening by the minute. You're relying on the MSM, for godsake!
what about lava? Could we trigger a volcanic eruption? Cover the damn thing in magma? Just spitballing.
One of the reasons why the Romans ruled the world is they knew how to harness water. They also made cement that could be fashioned under water. No one knew how they did it. Supposedly lava rock was in the mix or something.
lookup Hydraulic Cement on wikipedia, we still know the technology.
Or just cover it in spitballs and get it over with.
This is a tragedy of immense proportions and the response seems to be extremely delayed and lacking.
I know I am just typing on a keyboard about 8000 miles away but something's not right with this response business......
K-Y Jelly (but not for the reactor)
It's "water-swellable powder", an acrylate salt. It works best with distilled water, and is used to dry coat optical cables among other things, to make them water proof (absorbs water to become an impermeable gel). Unfortunately, because it's a salt, it doesn't work well with salt water (about 20% as efficient with sea water).
Perhaps we could send them pallets of our fiat.....we have no use for it here......
Yep and thanks for the :) if this wasn't so sad
Perhaps not burst containment, but certainly will clog the remaining cooling channels in the fuel. Can't see how this is a good idea. Of course when the alternative is a radioactive wasteland for miles around, what do they ahve to loose.
My question yet to see any explanation on, is WHY did TEPCO, allow a 25-30yr old set of 4, built to minimum GE specs be allowed to stay on line that long, and why weren't the containment vessels walls MUCH thicker?.
These plants do not come close to US specs for construction.
Anyone heard why Immelts(GE) cheap shit was allowed to be used.
Last place you want to to save a YEN, is on four reactors.
Newest proposal, to save costs, is a halloween costume.
"Let's drape a sheet over it."
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/82921.html
it's like the commercial, where baldwin says 'it's ok, I've played a pilot before"
i'm guessing there was lots of 'i'm playing a nuclear plant operator' going on these last few... ah... well, a long time
huh? Aristarchan had disclosed that the NRC advised TEPCO to upgrade these reactors at least with hardened H2 venting systems as is mandatory here. They refused.
How many other NRC advisories did they rebuff? Maybe their arrogance is fatal. It wasn't GE's fault that they had no plan for a systemic power outage. They appear to have sat on their asses for nearly a day watching their reactor buildings get ready to blow up. And when one blew, did they take any emergency remedial measures to stop the others?
They needed only a relatively meager DC power supply to keep this shit all running and as a POWER company, how the fuck could they not have been able to provide this within a 12 hour window?
Well, I suggested cat litter and pot noodle yesterday and got junked. And rememember it was me who suggested to tapco that they should use a oil tanker with clean water!
This is beyond stupid. Little wonder Operation Diaper Plug failed
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/04/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-more-on.html
Forget lengthy, polite nationalization. Kan needs to declare a national emergency and seize control of TEPCO.
20 bails of straw that will stop any leak.
I love how everyone becomes an armchair nuclear expert when they're thousands of miles away from the problem. If you're so versed on how to handle this problem, then why aren't you over there helping?
Can't they nuke the site w/ a different type of nuke?
And counteract the radiation nightmare scenario?
Thanks, I know I've read this somewhere.
Maybe you dreamed it.
Exploding a nuke there would just add more radioactivity and spread it further afield, not to mention the desctructiveness of the bomb itself.
i suggest this a few days ago too, make a hole so big that the sea will go one more mile into the land, and the problem should be finished.
*sigh* no it wouldn't. you (and everybody) would like the heavy plutionium and uranium to remain where they are. roughly in and around the plant, not in the upper atmosphere. which would result in an extinction event, making the planet unhabitable for many many years, except for organisms that can withstand such a harmful environment, like cockroaches, some invertrebrate, and Keith Richards.
shooting DU around the place all the time also doesn't help long term survival chances for mammals like us. eventually it all ends up on our (privileged) plates as well, as would be clear from the fallout detected going in the UK (and other places, but that surfaced in the MSM), during Operation Desert Storm. More and more the actions of the western elite start to resemble some kind of incredibly shortsighted or suicidal plan. Whatever their ideas, they're certainly not very smart.
Bearish on this one.
It wouldn't be an extinction event. But it would absolutely suck very bad.
A few dozen cobalt bombs popped at 20,000ft maybe, but certainly not this.
I think you mean Keith Olberman. Low form of intelligent life.
putzmeister bitches
haha, nice image URL
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/bernanke/Concrete%20Pump.jpg
Does anyone know how the entombment will play out? Time scale...
If memory serves, the Putz's pump 210 yards/hr. A math whizz can figure the ID of the buildings. A little multiplication and....Voila! Doomsday.
For the best estimates of how this plays out time wise . . .
Refer to the great pyramid at giza which is estimated at approximately 6000 years
The Egyptian Solution:
http://wallstreetbear.com/board/view.php?topic=80013&post=281298
Go Full out russian. Get a million men line them up with shovels and have them go racing in grab a shovel full of radioactive material throw it into buckets, have a million men grab the buckets and race them out for five minutes. to another man.
Think of it as a giant radioactive relay race.
They should enlist the assistance of the Chinese in that endeavor. I hear the Chinese have a few million folks standing around not doing anything. They could even make their own human bridge to Japan, sorta like ants do across a stream.
Interesting point. At Chernobyl the Soviets could order tens of thousands to their deaths with impunity.
Japan not so much. This thought bothers me lately.
Yes,
There is nothing quite like ordering men to their deaths. That the Japanese can no longer do it is bothersome indeed. I like your thinking. We could use you in government.
Please don't misunderstand. What I was trying to point out is that the Chernobyl example might not be fitting here since it was, in fact, accomplished by sacrificing the lives of approx. 40k people.
The reason that thought bothers me so much is that it gives rise to the question: How? How in the fuck are they going to do this thing without killing tens of thousands?
I see how you could get the wrong impression though. No worries.
They aren't and they know it and so does everyone else. Anyone that doesn't believe that is full of shit. The Russians knew what they had to do and they manned the fuck up and did it. The Japs, not so much.
I don't see any other options myself. Thousands of people will die regardless of the whatever half-assed remediation option they choose.
The difference is that back in 1986 the Soviets could do what they had to do in secret rather than in front of a 24/7 cable news cycle.
Few realize that in 1957 there was a horrific nuclear weapons facility accident in Russia that even to this day is not well documented.
http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2004/Karabolka-Nuclear-Disaster23apr04.htm
The Japanese are not going to do squat. Instead we are all going to dodge radiation for years.
While what you say is in no doubt, it will come back to bite them in the ass. If there's anyone alive in japan by then.
+ 1,300,000,000
China also has something on the order of a 100,000,000 mismatch of males (more males) to females in the 25 - 45 year old range. Something like that.
100,000,000 men will not get wives...
Go long any Chinese sex related companies ?
colonize Africa, improve gene pool
I understand the US has a few million folks standing around not doing anything also.
They're armed and increasing they are in no mood to sacrifice.
Preparation has been in the works for REAL Americans now for sometime.
Read the 18yr LE Professionals experiences, if you have not already.
http://www.survivalblog.com/2011/03/beware_of_homeland_security_tr.html
Yaz, yaz, well Tyler, there's only four, or six, or ten meltdowns... At this point, I don't think I want to know.
Great work as usual. Even more impressive because the MSM has not a clue on what's happening or the scale of the problems.
Patience, bitchez. On a long enough time line, even the fission fuel in stars run out.
Wouldn't that be considered "fusion fuel"?
http://the-solar-system.info/sun
The Sun is a cold, dark place. Ponder that and a lot of things begin to get very clear.
;-)
ORI
This is gonna be like building another Hoover Dam
Hoover dam exceeds the amount of materials used to construct the Great Pyramid at Giza. There is no mechanism available to compare the Giza Pyramids to the Federal Reserves Pyramid of Debt.
Hoover Dam - Damn Insightful:
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/hooverdam/History/essays/concrete.html
Yes, and remember that concrete generates its own heat as it cures. When you pour a wad of concrete this big, you have to run coolant tubes throughout the mix, otherwise the self-generated heat weakens the pour, and it takes forever to cool and cure. It is estimated that without its 582 miles of coolant tubes, the Hoover dam would have taken 100 years to harden---then it would have cracked immediately.
I don't know how much concrete they're thinking of using in Fukushima, but the Hoover Dam took 3.3 million yards, plus another million for the power plant. And the pour has to be monolithic: once you start pouring, you can't stop till you're done. The first step at Hoover was to build two batching plants on site, then bring in the raw materials in train cars. Add water and stir, one crane bucket of concrete poured every 78 seconds, day and night, for several years.
Given the levels of radioactivity at Fukushima, I don't know where the Japanese could put a batching plant, or, alternatively, how they could deliver mixed concrete to the site.
http://www.concretecontractor.com/concrete-construction-projects/hoover-...
Also, you can't pump heavy concrete into a relatively flimsey form such as the outer containment building. The wall panels would blow out long before you got anywhere near the reactor level due to the hydraulic pressure of uncured concrete. As you pointed out, they will need several batching plants and a round-the-clock operation to supply enough concrete to do the job, and that means lots of people put into harms way. Civilians always think concrete just magically appears and gets slopped into the forms sort of haphazardly. They would need mountains of cement, aggregate, and potable water (sea water and cement don't get along; the resultant concrete would quickly corrode any ferrous embedments or iron-based admixtures as are used for heavy-weight concrete). This is a major engineering project that may not be truly finished in our lifetimes.
financial engineers are not bother by so many restraints.. you really need to lobby nature into a less restrictive environment
And when you keep in mind that they haven't even set up a staging area for what they're presently doing I think we can safely say an engineering project "that might be beyond their capabilities".
All true, I've seen seemingly good walls blow out.
I don't see how they can encase the core and make it work without forms, steel reinforcement, and lots of time.
This is a project from hell and many people will get very sick and die.
Immelt is surely working on a plant that is foolproof.
Remember that Sarcaphogi are outer shells only - not a monolithic block.
Anyone who wants to know how Chernobyl went down, and also gain a pretty good understanding of what Entombment really means, needs to watch "The Battle of Chernobyl". Very sobering. Fantastic documentary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiCXb1Nhd1o
A Freudian slip? "- - - in our lifetimes - - -"
Might not be long at all...
were you fired by BP for saying such nonsense?
Putzmeister water pump. Fire departments should get them instead of those ladder trucks that all firemen dream of. Tall bugger. 70 meters! Somewhere close to 20 stories. Their concrete pumps are impressive.
World's biggest Putzmeister already being prepped for the flight to Japan. One of Savanah River's contractors donated it. http://chronicle.augusta.com/latest-news/2011-03-31/srs-concrete-pump-he...
And the supposedly absorbent resin failed, too:
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/82882.html
An interview with Dr. Michio Kaku -- a bit dated though:
http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=604AB3FA803FF3647DF6E34EC5E8C8A0
Is he being too sensational? Or...
From the Kyoto News article Roger posted--The pit photos that go along with the story are a must see too. Absolutely stunning incompetence!
"Engineers put 8 kilograms of the polymeric water absorbent together with 60 kilograms of sawdust (MY NOTE: I put this much sawdust in my horse's stall every week & it doesn't even absorb all his pee.) and three bags of shredded newspaper into pipes leading to a pit connected to the No. 2 reactor building where a 20-centimeter crack has been found to be leaking radioactive water into the Pacific Ocean, the agency said.
However, those materials injected at a point 23 meters away from the seaside pit have not been sucked into the water flow, leaving no impact on the rate of leakage..."
And since the saw dust failed "The utility known as TEPCO deployed the absorbent called ''water gel bag,'' which contains polymeric materials used for diapers, as its efforts to encase the pit's fracture in concrete failed on Saturday."
If you want to block a drain real quick drop straw in the water , hell it will even block a hole in the bottom of a bucket , the more water pressure the better it works.Go long straw
That same photo (kyodonews) shows a crack extending across a concrete slab to the pit with the crack. It appears the crack in the pit is part of a longer crack from a significant failure of the structure or the foundation (soil and/or bedrock) beneath the structure.
This photo is a better view of the long crack.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0402/Japan-nuclear-update-Repairing-cr...
Japan built a series of reactors on a falut line
Got hit with an earthquake with a level of 9
The workers like lemmings plodding away
Two of them died just the other day
The tsunami came with a routhless abandon
Two horrible evens...a shame and in tandom
Bartender Please...a drink...shaken and stirred
This will be the worst nuclear disaster ever heard
caught his quote from earlier today
I don't know either.
Chu know, Steve?
Thanks for all your great posts, prophet.
Here's another quote:
On March 21, Stanford University presented an invitation-only panel discussion on the Japanese crisis that featured Alan Hansen, an executive vice president of Areva NC, a unit of the company focused on the nuclear fuel cycle.
“Clearly,” he told the audience, “we’re witnessing one of the greatest disasters in modern time.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/science/03meltdown.html?pagewanted=2&_...
Entombment of reactor buildings buys them nothing. They are connected to the turbine buildings, which are in turn connected to the sea. It's all one gigantic radioactive kluge.
That's why I advocate drowning everything in a lagoon.
http://oilgeology.blogspot.com/2011/03/broken-piping-andor-vessel-rupture-has.html
After reading the posts from the two concrete "guys" above, I believe your suggestion has merit.
[Diapers and sawdust didn't work, so what the hell, no?]
Post here in the comments section. http://bigthink.com/blogs/dr-kakus-universe
Kaku may actually read the comments. Worth a try.
He has a national and international media platform. Somebody important who can affect this situation may actually hear him.
heck, the airport was built on the ocean..
would such a seawall be water tight?
When 9th Ward Nawlins levy failed it was plugged with a Corps of Engineers metal seawall. Personally, I'd rather hire the big Dutch dredging contractor Heerema.
I've given a lot of thought to your idea since you first raised the possiblility.
What I can't really understand is how they move 4 half melted cores (one of them with pockets of ongoing criticality), and the remaining 2200 tons of spent fuel into the containment you have designed.
Also remember that the plutonium in this stuff has a half life in the millions of years. Who will tend this for all that time? This might be a moot case no matter what they do anyway, but at least with entombment it is not in the ocean.
Maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough.
Step 1 is to build a seawall to contain runoff and close up the seawater cooling loop that runs under all four turbine halls. Good strong breakwater forms a six-acre lagoon. Water will evaporate. Radioactive particles won't.
Step 2 is to build a 20-ft tall dike along the west walls of all four reactor buildings, plus two flanks to the lagoon. Start serious water flooding to cool reactors. Smash the roof of #2 and airdrop boron, shredded tin, water. Keep it up until all four reactors are cool enough to entomb by pumping concrete from the top of the dike.
I think it's a good idea to bunker-bust the turbine halls, to aid runoff of radioactive liquids into lagoon. The main idea, however, is to use vast amounts of seawater to drown everything. Clean up the lagoon later by adding cement? Jello? cat litter?
Yes, I did misunderstand. Sorry. Let me think on it further.
Question: have you followed up on suggestions from others to communicate this idea to a wider audience, perhaps even those at Aveya or Tepco?
I'd rather have peer review first: yourself, Jim in MN, Ari, naval nuke guys
Is a 20-ft tall dike high enough?
Who is going to build it? "Liquidators?
How long will it take to build, especially considering the on-going earthquakes?
Despite the monumental design and manufacturing process involved, you have the best idea yet.
The seawall could be done in two weeks. Push a dozen barges overloaded with cement, rocks and debris into position and scuttle them sideways. At the same time blast the outbuildings to rubble and start building a perimeter dike around the reactors by pushing rubble with bulldozers. Install big pumps to move seawater. Doesn't matter how tall the dike is -- start flooding the reactors, blast the roof off #2 and air drop boron. When the dike is 20 ft high and the lagoon is more or less secure, Tomahawk the turbine halls. The key to making this work is an enormous water flood, as in multiple acrefeet per hour, pumped from the sea to the reactors and partly aimed to hit the SFPs. Ideally everything should be wrecked, pulverized, washed toward the lagoon and cool enough to start pumping concrete from the dike.
I know it's nuts. I don't see any other way to gain control.
what's the point of the tin and boron?
they seem to be coffin cornered here- they can't cool without irradiating the site beyond ability to work, and they can't stop cooling without risking further meltdown.
This is NOT chernobyl...there is no burning open pit in which to dump anything. They have melted rods and piles of pellets probably in contained locations and uncontained ones. If they have leaks in SFPs or reactors, additional cooling causes additional contamination. Stopping cooling causes additional contamination (more meltdown and potential fire).
They have to plug leaks...the site can't be worked on until radiation levels decline as a result of not continuing to pump water through nuclear rods which then leaks out onto the floor.
Washing it all into the ocean may be the end-state though...
Washing it all into the ocean may be the end-state though...
Maybe they'll pop a w-87 underneath the site. The subsistence crater would turn it into a beautiful glowing blue lagoon. Would make it into one hell of a tourist spot - it would be the only place in central Japan with warm glowing waters. But dealing with criticality would probably be problematic.
@ MB, well and simply put.
Thank you, Mr. Farmer. That guy works for the nuclear industry and is basing his judgment on real data from Fukushima.
Makes our pro-nuke trolls looks silly, imo.
I, personally am giving up on imagining good ways to ameliorate Fuk, especially since the men who are in charge of the situation appear to have chosen a course of genocide by inaction.
I've decided instead to expend my last reserves of worry on the fact that there are spent fuel ponds all over the United States, where I sit.
What happens to those ponds in case of something like, oh, say ... A Carrington Event ?
Fed delenda est.
( except maybe they delendad us! )
Read the wikipedia entry on the Diablo Canyon Plant.
It will scare the crap out of ya.
Faultlines on and off shore...suseptible to tsunami from immediate off shore faultline and the larger Cascadian subduction zone...botched-up remidiation.
This could take a while...............
Its like draining the ocean with a teaspoon.
Did Ashmore arrive? Don't see the rig in photo.
SRS pump will head to Japan
http://chronicle.augusta.com/latest-news/2011-03-31/srs-concrete-pump-heading-japan-nuclear-site
A German made pump truck in the US being flown by a Russian plane to Japan.
How fitting.
Antonov AN 225
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otEC-lHkHkU
The comedy hour is growing stronger by the day.
Not to mention the irony of it being used to build a Mox plant in the U.S.
And I notice that the giant Putzmeister is being pulled off another nuclear project, one that one day will be making MOX fuel! Also, Fukushima will be the last job for this pump. It will be too radioactive to be used later anywhere else.
TEPCO put a diaper on the leak... s'all good
All your TEPCO's are belong to us, make your time!
Will be possible to cool down the reactor with sand-boron-concrete ? And even if they could entomb the entire site and cool down the reactor, won't the radiation leak to the underground water?
CNN said they tried a combination of chemicals, newspaper and wood-chips.
And that it didn't work.
Is anybody serious, yet?
Chemicals, newspaper, and wood-chips... sound like my favorite BBQ grilling mix...
CheapKF,
What's your favorite? I mean whats on your grill. It can't be... sushi.
Just as I always suspected: the obvious solution to a nuclear disaster is .... mulch!
(Like the managers of TEPCO, I am not a nuclear engineer ---- but I did stay at a Tokyo Holiday Inn last night.)
Mulch...LMAO!
Yeah! Think of the size of the tomatoes you could grow there. Like a foot in diameter frankenmaters. Yummy.
I can't even imagine how this is going to 'enhance' the seafood too, Rocky. Shades of 3,000 Leagues Under the Sea.
Why sand-boron-concrete will not work ?
I don't think people are ignoring your question. We just don't know.
The nukes among us seem to think there is too much of the stuff (especially the spent rods) in unpredictable piles. The concrete would not set due to the extra heat, and it would only create a bigger mess. There will have to be some sorting through this shit first, hence the cranes and the fire trucks on the way. Gawdhelpus.
Thanks for the anwser, but boron can stop the reactor and cool it down. And seems reactor 3 will be the problem, a lot of people will die because they have to inject this boron into the reactor. But if this don't work. Ok it's time to freakout and evacuate japan, maybe korea and north china.
I don't know to what extent they have tried that. From the beginning, information has been inadequate. The managers have often seemed panicked and ill informed.
The worst elements are pretty heavy. Looks like central Japan has a real problem, especially with water supply. Keep reading ZH and you will be as well informed as anyone. Good luck.
This is an intractable problem, a puzzle that can't be solved. All they are hoping is that you turn you attention to some other matter, maybe American Idol, or maybe the goings-on of Charlie Sheen...
Is that Ann Colter observing the operation while munching on fresh-caught Sushi and iced water?
Dont' be silly! Everyone knows that the only foods Ann Coulter consumes are live mice and the freshly-drained blood of young virgins.
I thought Ann bathed in the blood of freshly-drained virgins.
It might be a required regular treatment for a successful sexual reassignment surgery.
First she bathes in it, then she drinks!
It's really a win-win: Ann not only ensures her health and her satanic immortality, but by being drained of their blood, their virginity and their very souls, her victims are now eminently qualified to enter the world of Washington corporate lobbying.
victims are now eminently qualified to enter the world of Washington corporate lobbying.
+1 (oz-Au)
Please, Tyler - enable a positive rating system as well as the negative system in place; might have several components, such as LMAO, SF - StronglyAffirm, and perhaps DGAS (don'tgiveashit) or WTFC - whothefuckcares.
akak gets a LMAOROTF as well as the SF ...
and so it goes
I junked you on GLBT grounds. I despise Coulter and her hated objects du jour, but trans-folk are among the strongest people I know, with the most integrity.
You mean freshly-caught sushi in boiling hotwater?
She will like that.
I haven't really read any news about radiation levels in Hawaii. Anyone heard anything?
It arrives here after passing by CA and picked up by the westerly trades. Timing is about the same as Chicago, probably similar strength. Expect Obama to be spending more time in the southern hemisphere....
Why? You mean the Jet Stream doesn't go there?
Oh, I get it, night out time. I mean light...oh, never mind.
http://www.fairewinds.com/ April 2, Sunday. Gunderson explains that reactor 1 of the Fukushima plant is very likely engaged in periodic criticality, exposing workers to dangerous but unmeasurable neutron radiation
That guy explains the most horrifying things in the manner of a kindly old grandfather. It makes me want to climb into his lap and cry myself to sleep. lol...
Great video. thanks.
Conservative projection of cancer rates going forward in Japan.
http://www.fairewinds.com/content/health-outcome-fukushima-catastrophe-i...
Skip to page 12 for summary.
They will be luck if this is the worse that happens...bearing in mind this crisis is far from over.
An extra 200k cancers in the surrounding 200km over the next 10 years is conservative?
Yes, you are right I think. This thing holds terrible potentials of which almost nobody in the general public has any inkling as yet.
Some better photos here.
http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp/daiichi-photos.htm
http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp2/daiichi-photos2.htm
It's pumping water, not concrete...
It was designed for concrete, and that's the eventual hope. As Tyler points out, probably hopium.
Right. A concrete pump has a huge hopper and is a double-action piston affair that is pretty hefty. This pump is pretty small considering they are pumping to the top of the building. And the only thing feeding it is a relatively small-diameter hose.
If you look at the photo carefully you can see the water spraying over the reactor.
I think this interview will put things into perspective for you. Wez Be Fuc%ed !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2AtUzaFLbs
Serious question:
If Fat Man had a relatively small amount of Plutonium, does anyone know the weight? According to the video there is the possiblility of roughly 500 pounds of the stuff to melt into a random, uncontrolled critical mass. If conditions were ideal for a nuclear explosion, what would the magnatude be for 500 pounds of Plutonium? How big a blast radius and how deep the hole? Anyone out there that can calculate the fall out and effects?
Second: Is there a method for home use to detect radiation in water? Is there a method to remove it that can be done by families?
Over the past few weeks, knowledgeable folks have posted about how difficult it is to build and explode a nuclear bomb. The plutonium must be processed and shaped and triggered in certain ways, or nothing will happen. The free-flowing plutonium in these power plants will not explode in the way a nuclear bomb will. You might search this site on "nuclear bomb" and see if you can find a few of these posts. Many contain links to more detailed explanations about the difficulty in making plutonium explode in a nuclear bomb.
Having said that, plutonium is quite deadly. The concern here is not a nuclear-bomb-type explosion. The concern is any explosion that would send plutonium particles into the atmosphere so they could be distributed by wind and rain.
Have they tried pissing on it? #2 might work as well or even better than concrete.
Piss off Fukushima or I'll #2 on you too!
Could hardly be less effective than what the rocket scientists have tried, I guess. Maybe they should try putting toilet water on it.
I'm thinking a "Dutch Oven" would work better than the junk-shot. It could be like a sarcophagus of shit rather than bull shit.
That piece has been there for at least 10 days to pump water.
weren't those janet napolitanos breast pumps?
Max Keiser:
Flashing Blue Light Seen Above Exploded Nuclear ReactorWhat's that mean? Aliens landed, saved Planet Earth?
I get it, cher-en-kov on Fox. But who are they?
K-Mart special on Isle 1. We need to sell this shit.
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Looks like we have progressives in a meltdown mode. Hahahaha
Uh....isn't that the water pump that was shown before?
I wonder if they have tried using bentonite to plug the hole enough to eventually seal it with concrete.Bentonite is a type of clay slurry that is used to temporarily shore up piling hole's until concrete is poured.As far as the entombment,that's going to be a massive project,if they can even pull it off
If the crack won't contain the concrete, the slurry would also flow out. Slurry works great in contained areas, such as for slurry walls and piles, but not if the bottom of the hole has voids. I was on a job once where the slurry contractor pumped triple the calculated volume only to find out that the slurry was slowly filling an unknown and abandoned sewer line directly below the slurry wall location. It's probably a similar situation here, where the concrete is falling into some sort of void below the plant. As if they needed any more complications...
Engineer,I was wondering if it would clog the water flow enough to slow thing's down,thank's
Whoopsing, you have a whoopsy. This event occurred on March 10, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eIVp8EwG5Y
Please tell us how you plan to convert the peasants.
A non working Google link - Do you see the link? Global internet banking. Right. lol
Global Internet Banking
... you. Maurice Strong at root of Global Warming Scam ..... Rt Hon David Cameron MP speaking at the Conservative Middle East Council Annual Gala Dinner ...
www.globalinternetbanking.com/ - Cached
Your Gala will never reach puberty. Good luck selling on the MSM backside. Adults reverting back to childhood dependency. Nice..
Yes Atom,I am aware of the tsunami,as far as the rest of your post,not quite sure what you are getting at.
You will in time, Sheep were sold on Hopey & Change. Once The FED is ripped too shreds, you will be told about another banking solution. They have been hoping on your Federal Reserve dissatisfaction to move the agenda further.
NWO is a socialist government/banking system. Remember, a sovereign country can re-coin its own currency.
Edit: Bookmark this post cuz the sheeple will declare "we never saw the Basell III coming"
http://www.bis.org/
Whoopsing, you have a whoopsy.
You also have comma-itis and a problem finding the space bar on your keyboard.
What time should I call the bus to pick you up? Shall we make a sweep by the Post Office first, then finish at the grocery store?