Radiation Detected In Fukushima Children Urine Samples As Fort Calhoun Orders 10 Mile Evacuation Radius

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Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:07 | 1416241 Gully Foyle
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Isn't that urine story like five days to a week old now?

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:15 | 1416269 Herd Redirectio...
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Certain things in life we have no control over.  We can control how close we live to a nuclear plant, but we can't stop it from meltdown.   The rational response is to make decisions regarding things that ARE under your control.

Take the financial system, for example. Completely man-made, and under our control (as a society, although in the more literal sense it is currently bankster-controlled) to modify or reform as needed.  The important thing is to not live in fear, or ignorance.

Check out the latest from the Capital Research Institute "Misdirection, Disinformation and Lies":


A few days ago, on June 26th, 2011 the BIS (Bank of International Settlements) released a warning:

“Interest rates must rise worldwide, says BIS”

Hmmm,  OK.  Pretty sure the Capital Research Institute beat you to that revelation by 6 months or so.  Thanks for that, BIS.  Who is the BIS any way?  What are they warning us, the common folk, for?

 If central bankers want to discuss things with other central bankers, they would do so at the BIS...

Banks in Europe, North America, and China all have low reserves, and large amounts of low quality loans.  The BIS talks a good game, but it knows that credit growth has been rampant in the last decade, and that it has failed in its attempt to ensure banks worldwide hold adequate reserves.

So what does that have to do with interest rates?  And the BIS warning that rates ‘must rise worldwide’?  Well, if you see that the BIS has been unsuccessful in its stated purpose, maintaining ‘capital adequacy’, then you can make an informed judgment whether the BIS will successfully complete its current task.  But more importantly, you should realize that if the BIS was serious about interest rates being hiked it would not have to release warnings or official statements, it could merely have a meeting between the central bankers, who are part of the BIS, and discuss it at that time.  The reason for the statement, then?

The warning is all politics.  They are saying the right things, while doing nothing...

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:16 | 1416272 andybev01
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Jesus; that guy's eyes where everywhere but on the camera...

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:36 | 1416363 blunderdog
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That's a GOOD thing.  It's easier to lie to a camera than a person.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:13 | 1416273 Cognitive Dissonance
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Isn't that urine story like five days to a week old now?

Nope. With Greece saved it's now all about the PIIS.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:22 | 1416309 cougar_w
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Twisted! Feels like the entire story was set up just to get that comment.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:46 | 1416319 Cognitive Dissonance
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It's something I imagine the twisted sisters would say. :)


Thu, 06/30/2011 - 16:06 | 1416708 Jason_1sandal
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Fascinating Cog, where in the world did you find these stories ? I just read Evening and Dinner with the Destroyer....  

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 16:32 | 1416808 Cognitive Dissonance
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cougar_w (yes, ZH's own cougar_w above) is the author. He's just too shy to promote his own work so I carry the water when I find the right opportunity. I 'Guest Posted' one of them here on ZH some time back. 


I love the way his mind works. And the sisters are way too cool to ignore. Good semi clean fun.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:26 | 1416327 Cognitive Dissonance
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Feels like the entire story was set up just to get that comment.

In this volleyball game Tyler's the set up man. I just bang the ball home. Just doing my job and going for the Gold (and Silver).

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:59 | 1416441 mick_richfield
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It just hit me -- like a diamond bullet in my brain -- TPTB won't let us have silver and gold -- but they're spewing U-238 around the environment in all directions for free.

Any one of the reactors at Fukushima, with its spent fuel pool, has about the same amount of heavy metal as COMEX has silver.  (And that's officially.)


Thu, 06/30/2011 - 21:07 | 1417545 New_Meat
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"...but they're spewing U-238 around the environment..."

au contraire.

spewing? non!  Highly controlled.  COMEX? I have no knowledge.

I doubt the tons == tons comparison that youi suggest, though ;-)

- Ned

{another old guy with a _ in his handle}

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:35 | 1416569 LudwigVon
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Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:38 | 1416352 Fukushima Sam
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The fact it is children is new, the previous story was adults.

This shows internal radiation exposure.  This is much, much worse than external exposure.

Here is a good recent interview with Arnie Gunderson talking to Helen Caldicott.


We are incredibly fucked.  But it takes decades or even generations to play out.  We need to stop playing with nuclear power before it is too late, if it is not already.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 16:10 | 1416730 Slartebartfast
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No evacuation has been ordered.  Listen to the story.  They don't say an evacuation order has been issued.  They only state there is an evacuation plan.  They've since run a retraction on their website saying they didn't intend to say an evacuation has been ordered.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 23:15 | 1417785 Money Squid
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Its called Tepco speak. Say something, retract it. Say it again, but then clarify it. The truth is in there somewhere, you just need to find it. They play these games so they can pick any sentence and claim "see, we told you." Endless truths, lies and contradictions. Gotta read betwen the lines.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 19:26 | 1417318 RafterManFMJ
Thu, 06/30/2011 - 20:58 | 1417522 WarPig
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NO EVAC WAS ORDERED:  http://www.oilfreefun.com/2011/06/nebraska-nuclear-meltdown-coverage-fro...

OR, if there was one ordered, apparently noone told the newspaper headquartered 3.5 miles from FC Plant.  http://www.enterprisepub.com/

After studying it, I think Fort Calhoun will turn out a near miss UNLESS one of the dams upstream fails.  This is a legitimate possibility given that they're releasing 2-3x record flows and the flooding is expected to last most of the summer.

A guy did get burned when a pump caught fire at FC today... http://www.enterprisepub.com/news/flood_coverage_2011/one-man-burned-at-...

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:07 | 1416244 HungrySeagull
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Not again damn it.

Forcing me over towards buying more precise monitors from Nukealert, LP of Gonzales Texas.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:09 | 1416249 Duuude
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Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:11 | 1416264 Cognitive Dissonance
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Exactly how big an adult diaper does Depends make?

Ft. Calhoun size I hope. There's a lot of seepage to soak up.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:23 | 1416282 hedgeless_horseman
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At 2:05 into the clip, "Pumps are handling the problem," despite all visual evidence to the contrary.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:31 | 1416328 cougar_w
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Yeah the dude needs to work on his double-speak:

"There is no problem because there is no water. There are pumps at the facility, they are a waste of money and will never be used, but we are committed to safety."

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 17:07 | 1416948 A.W.E.S.O.M.-O 4000
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Hey, anybody know where I can buy a litre of 8 year old girl's piss from?


Don't ask. It's personal.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:10 | 1416251 Cognitive Dissonance
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But....but....but I thought all was well at Ft. Calhoun?

Tyler, please check your info because I always believe the MSM and there's nothing on CNN about this.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:23 | 1416311 hedgeless_horseman
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"An eight foot tall berm has collapsed...however officials remain confident that everything still is secure."


Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:34 | 1416339 cougar_w
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Meaning I suppose that their retirement accounts are securely invested.

They have no more handle on the site security situation than you or I do. It's all up to God now.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:34 | 1416349 hedgeless_horseman
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I think the chances of a major radiation disaster in either New Mexico, Nebraska, or both are pretty good.  Therefore, I am doing the only rational thing; I am going long SPY!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:50 | 1416407 Cognitive Dissonance
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Just found some video from CNN taken on the grounds of Ft. Calhoun.


Then some raw overhead Helicopter video shots.


Similarvideo from AP with pilot chatter.


Thu, 06/30/2011 - 16:02 | 1416656 NotApplicable
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While there may (or may not) be any danger of the dry storage casks causing problems, they are at least still out of the water, but just barely. You can see them in CD's 2nd link above between 0:50-1:06. They are the big square concrete blocks with the white doors.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 17:48 | 1417039 krispkritter
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Dammit Janet!...(CNN) It's getting more surreal every day...

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:07 | 1416253 flagg707
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Just got off the phone with someone who lives near Fort Calhoun.  They have heard nothing about a 10 mile evacuation zone.  Could you post the link so I can pass that info along to them?  He isn't seeing elevated traffic or anything like that.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:09 | 1416258 Tyler Durden
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45 seconds into the ABC news clip.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:17 | 1416275 flagg707
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He's referring to the standard 10 mile evacuation planning zone which has been part of the regs since 1978.  Listening to it, it sounds like the news reader doesn't understand the difference between a planning zone required by common sense and by the regs and an actual order to evacuate, which according to yet another person living in that area, has not been published.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:19 | 1416284 Tyler Durden
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Is that something like a Schrodinger's cat evacuation?

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:36 | 1416361 Fukushima Sam
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Fuckin' LOL, Tyler!

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:58 | 1416677 NotApplicable
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You know, snark is not an appropriate response when someone points out that you're propagating false info. Especially when they have family members lives' at stake.

It smacks of childishness, and does your cause no good whatsoever.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 18:01 | 1417097 davepowers
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Jascko (sic?) sure made it sound like the evac had been ordered. If it hasn't, then he should have been more careful and precise with what he's saying.

I'd never seen or listened to him before, but this clip didn't inspire confidence here. He looked wet behind the ears. Sort of Geithner-like.

Are there any adults dealing our problems these days?


Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:16 | 1416290 hedgeless_horseman
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...unlike Los Alamos, which has been evacuated.


Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:45 | 1416381 Rusty Shorts
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Los Alamos already burned, hence the flying drones taking measurements.


Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:28 | 1416550 hedgeless_horseman
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The fire has forced the evacuation of the entire city of Los Alamos, population 11,000, cast giant plumes of smoke over the region and raised fears among nuclear watchdogs that it will reach as many as 30,000 55-gallon drums of plutonium-contaminated waste.


"The concern is that these drums will get so hot that they'll burst. That would put this toxic material into the plume. It's a concern for everybody," said Joni Arends, executive director of the Concerned Citizens for Nuclear Safety, an anti-nuclear group.


Arends' organization also worried that the fire could stir up nuclear-contaminated soil on lab property where experiments were conducted years ago. Burrowing animals have brought that contamination to the surface, she said.


Lab officials said there was very little risk of the fire reaching the drums of low-level nuclear waste, since the flames would have to jump through canyons first. Officials also stood ready to coat the drums with fire-resistant foam if the blaze got too close.


Lab spokeswoman Lisa Rosendorf said the drums contain Cold War-era waste that the lab sends away in weekly shipments for storage. She said the drums were on a paved area with few trees nearby. As of midday Tuesday, the flames were about two miles from the material.


"These drums are designed to a safety standard that would withstand a wildland fire worse than this one," Rosendorf said.



Fri, 07/01/2011 - 05:49 | 1418088 fredquimby
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WPS/700: 500 litre Drum Waste Package
Specification: Explanatory Material
and Design Guidelines
March 2008
Number: 8766510

March 2008

The effects of fire accidents can potentially affect waste packages at all stages of their long-term management, up to vault backfilling, in a similar manner to impact accidents as
discussed in Section 4.13.

Accordingly, waste packages must be capable of withstanding specified fire conditions without excessive loss of contents. For the purposes of this document, the stages at which the effects of a fire accident are considered are limited to transport and subsequent handling and emplacement in a GDF (although the latter will have many similarities to operations during storage by the waste packager prior to transport).

4.14.1 Fire Severity

In developing the criteria for the required fire performance of waste packages it is necessary to define appropriate fire accident conditions (i.e. temperature and duration). The thermal test specified for Type B transport packages by the IAEA Transport Regulations [5] requires such packages to be exposed for 30 minutes to a hydrocarbon fuel/air fire with an average temperature of 800°C, fully engulfing the package. This would result in waste packages being exposed to a thermal transient of significantly less severity. The potential for more challenging thermal transients, when unprotected waste packages could be directly exposed to fires during the operational period of a GDF* and this has been considered to allow bounding conditions for such fires to be determined

[35]. This work has concluded that, although a fire duration of 30 minutes encompasses 85% of road transport fire accidents, the complicating factors of restricted access and fire fighting capabilities in an underground disposal facility mean that a longer duration (i.e. 1 hour) should be adopted as the fire challenge for waste packages. With regard to flame temperature, experience from transport accidents suggests that although 800°C is appropriate to the transport of waste packages, it does not take into account the particular conditions that could pertain to an underground fire. ** Recent fires in similar circumstances, albeit with large fuel inventories (my emphasis WTF!!) , have yielded evidence of flame temperature transients in excess of 1000°C. Accordingly a more conservative temperature than would be required for transport fires alone has been adopted and 1000°C has been specified as the average flame temperature for the fire challenge.

* GDF is a "Ground Disposal Facility" - I bet my grandchildren will love that term.

** This also ties in with my bet that the salt lined oil caverns that the SPR is held in are either empty or tainted.....

Fri, 07/01/2011 - 08:58 | 1418341 hedgeless_horseman
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** Recent fires in similar circumstances, albeit with large fuel inventories (my emphasis WTF!!) , have yielded evidence of flame temperature transients in excess of 1000°C.

Amen.  WTF?  Didn't read about that in the New York Times.

Fri, 07/01/2011 - 10:13 | 1418660 malikai
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I hope there were no reprocessing wastes there. Nitric Acid boils at 80ish C. For those who recall, the Kyshtym disaster comes to mind..

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:35 | 1416342 Cognitive Dissonance
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....a planning zone required by common sense.....

You are talking about running a nuclear reactor with no means to permanently dispose of the waste, thus the plan is to store it on site for 1,000,000 years, and you use the term 'common sense'?

BTW the 10 mile evacuation notice is on double secret probation so as not to alarm the local riff raf.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:38 | 1416366 Fukushima Sam
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I wonder where the Oracle is during all this....

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 14:57 | 1416435 NotApplicable
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Somebody should call and check up on him.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:07 | 1416472 agNau
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You must be pre-med too. I trust you.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:42 | 1416598 Cognitive Dissonance
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No pre-med........but I am pre-nursing home.

Does that still count on the trust factor scale of confidence? I can show you my Depends if you need proof of age and wisdom. Hurry because I'm starting to roll over to senility.

Thu, 06/30/2011 - 15:14 | 1416475 agNau
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