Radiation Expert: "Sr-90 and Uranium and Particulates Will Be Building Up in the USA and Europe ... For Now I Think It Prudent To Stop Drinking Milk"

George Washington's picture

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Preface: I take very seriously any
warning about consuming a product which is important for the local
economy. But when a respected radiation expert issues this type of
warning, I have to pass it on.

 

I
wrote to radiation expert Dr. Chris Busby to ask him if he thought
people living outside of Japan should take any actions to try to reduce
their radiation exposure:

Epidemiologist Dr. Wing thinks people outside of Japan shouldn't do anything to attempt to reduce radiation exposure: Leading Epidemiologist: Instead of Trying to Avoid Japanese Radiation, Put Your Energy Into Demanding a Saner Energy Policy

But the French anti-nuclear NGO CRIIAD says that pregnant women and infants should take steps to reduce exposure: French Nuclear Group Warns that Children and Pregnant Mothers Should Protect Themselves from Radiation

I've also researched the scientific literature, and found that antioxidants can help a little: Can Vitamins or Herbs Help Protect Us from Radiation?

What's your advice for people outside of Japan?

Professor Busby replied:

I
attach my "don't panic" paper. However, since then I have re-thought
this advice as the thing is still fissioning and releasing 10 to the
fourteen becquerels a day. This will mean that Sr-90 [strontium 90] and
Uranium and particulates will be building up in the USA and Europe. I
will assess this later but for now I think it prudent to stop drinking milk. I also attach the particulates note.

Busby - Fukuparticles2

Busby - Dont Panic


Disclaimer: I am not a health professional or radiation expert.

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CyberTramp's picture

I may misremember, but I believe that one of the reasons caesium is likely to cause harm is that the body can't tell the difference between cesium and calcium, and it gets permanently fixed in your bones.

I remember a list of heavy elements like this where this type of effect happened.

AFAIK there really is additionally something important about not having contaminated milk as your main calcium supply, is what I mean. Yes the cows have concentrated it but the best protection against these elements is to have a good supply of the right minerals, then you are just less likely to accidentally wind up binding some cesium or strontium into your skeleton for the rest of your life.

If anyone knows anything more specific I would be interested. I think I originally got this from a book I have here somewhere on the care & treatment of radiation casualties, but I'm not about to go hunting around for it now.

Laddie's picture

The radiation in milk in California, Arizona, Washington state, et al, was from hay fed not grazing, although when grass is there it will, of course also be contaminated. Means beef cattle also.

The only time they could have saved the day was the 12th of March with a Chernobyl style entombment, but they wanted to save the reactors, and Obama apparently felt ACTION was not required.

After all the elite can flee and get uncontaminated foods.

Apocalypse Now!

Matxeu's picture

the blood dried and now americans need to get their fix on the next event, so we can forget about the previous

SingleCross's picture

I grew up on a dairy farm in upstate New York. My parents sold the dairy in 1970, so my first-hand experience is dated but I can drive past a dairy and understand how it is run. The comments by Dental Floss Tycoon are accurate for a lot of dairies, perhaps most dairies in some parts of the country. In other parts of the country and in some "modern" dairies the cows are kept in one area, like a feed lot, and food is brought to them vs grazing. I.E. the silage and grains are brought to the dairy cows (usually Holsteins because they produce so much milk, though in lower quality to other breeds). The cows on these modern dairies are routed through a parlor (assembly line) twice a day for milking.

So, cows eating harvested grass silage brought to them or the cows grazing will both concentrate "bad stuff" on the silage. Corn silage is harvested in late summer / early fall for winter storage in silos or covered trenches. So, there can be up to approx. 6 months between when this silage is harvested and when consumed.

trav7777's picture

Uranium is too heavy to carry across the ocean via these means

primalplasma's picture

I've been trying my best to avoid dairy since the accident but it is very hard to do so. It is much easier to avoid tap water, believe it or not.

Because the media has blacked out all information coming from Japan regarding Fukushima it's easy to let one's guard down and think all is safe, especially when you cannot feel, see, taste or smell radiation. But it's there.

I don't know how long I can last without milk. I have some in my coffee this morning. I eat yogurt and sour cream. I like pizza. It's very hard to stay away from milk products.

I just figured that any radiation that comes from dairy will be negligiable enough to not cause me harm, but now I don't know if this is true.

God, I don't want to live in a world where all that I can eat is Spam!

 

falak pema's picture

I hope for GW's sake, this expert is not the same one who taught him his 'Piezo pad free lunch' unlimited, perpetual energy dream... I'm still reverberating from that ride!

vast-dom's picture

best to avoid dairy for too many reasons...........

High Plains Drifter's picture

Fukushima Could Have Been Worse...And WILL Be

http://rense.com/general93/fut.htm

what else needs to be said. there are a few things that are certain. number 1, tepco had better get those fuel rods and cores cooled down asap, (obviously), number 2 , some kind of containment structures have to be built asap, number 3, many workers (as at chernobyl) will have to be sacrificed for the good of the world.

shall i continue?

the japanese were always about revenge for what we did to them during ww2. i can believe that. in a ironic sort of way, they have gotten their revenge on the west now. it is a most terrible thing to comtemplate. i really don't think people fully understand what is happening. when i was a youngster, and i went to church, i remember the preacher talking about revelations one time, and how he said that man would mess things up so bad, that God would have to step in before we completely destroyed the world. looking at this activity of late, one can only speculate, that intervention by the Creator of all things, must come and come quickly now.

Blankman's picture

Dear God,

 

We ain't done messin up the place.

 

Yours Truly,

 

People

RichardP's picture

Dear People:

I already knew that.  But thanks for the note.

Kindest Regards,

God

primalplasma's picture

If you really take the time to consider how much work, time and voluntary death is needed to accomplish these tasks you will realize that it is impossible to do these things in a quick enough time to prevent disaster. It's just impossible.

The reactors aren't even stable yet. Japan is a long way of from entombing the reactors. Many, many people around the world will die because of this.

High Plains Drifter's picture

yeh they say 6 to 9 months.  yeh sure. i asked one time when this first started if this was worse than chernobyl. i was laughed at and scorned. now not so much. somehow i just felt that this one would be much worse. now as time goes by and this crap gets in our food and in our air, one has to wonder just where this all really leads. doctor caldicott, a anti nuclear activist stated in a recent video i posted on this blog, that einstein said one time that nuclear power was a hell of a way to heat water. what the hell where they thinking putting those things in a earthquake zone?  we made them this way though. they wanted total independence from us, because they knew us and our ways. but this energy independence had a downside to it. so now we see that downside. ladies and gentlemen the problems are not just at fukushima. good grief. what is it we don't know about what is going on over there?  i have heard it said, a concrete entombment will not work on this. i don't know. but all of this is a very sobering thing, when you stop to consider what the hell is going on here.

in the video of the song titled born this way, by the artist known as lady gaga, she says the following:

This is The Manifesto of Mother Monster.
(Something), a Government owned alien territory in space, a birth of magnificent and magical proportions took place. But the birth was not finite, it was infinite. As the wombs numbered and the mitosis of the future began, it was perceived that this infamous moment in life is not temporal, it is eternal. And thus began the beginning of the new race-- a race within the race of humanity-- a race which bares no prejudice, no judgment, but boundless freedom. But on that same day, as the eternal mother hovered in the multi-verse, another more terrifying birth took place-- the birth of evil. And as she herself split into two, rotating in agony between two ultimate forces, the pendulum of choice began its dance. It seems easy, you imagine, to gravitate instantly and unwaveringly towards good. But she wondered, 'How can I protect something so perfect, without evil?"

yes my little kabbalistic monarch slave sister, we understand what you are trying to say. as it was in the days of noah, so it is again now. so satan said in order to create his new world he must kill most humans. so he will try. message coming through loud and clear.

i sent out a email with the link from the above post.

here is a reply to it.

"I choose not to think about that..too many awful things here in the
states..just another depressing thing."

typical amerikan thinking.....as usual.

falak pema's picture

what do you foresee coming done the divine tube? Six headed dinosaurs and three tailed sharks with nano-powered flying fins?

notadouche's picture

Dude my lively hood comes from the organic milk industry.  Don't you think you should have milk samples tested and confirmed tainted before start spreading unfounded and harmful information. Maybe you should also stop drinking water?  

Dejean Splicer's picture

Ah, hey dude. Check it:

Japan nuclear radiation in Phoenix Arizona milk samples show radioactive Iodine contamination levels up to 1600% above EPA drinking water limits.

http://www.azein.gov/azein/2011/Milk%20Data_3.pdf

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/20/radioactive-iodine-phoenix-a...

Taint Ted bitchez.

SWRichmond's picture

The highest reading was 100 times below the "intervention" level.

above EPA drinking water limits.

But it's not water, is it?

 

mworden's picture

Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk.

HDT

Dejean Splicer's picture

Google is your friend.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_milk_is_water

Milk is 85%-90% water. Let's call it dirty water, a cousin of dirty bomb.

Time to intervene?

~D'jean Splicer

SWRichmond's picture

OMFG.

Please elaborate; I'm dying to hear this.

Dejean Splicer's picture

Once you read it how will you spin it?

Radiation Found In San Francisco, CA Tap Water — Rainwater Radiation 18,100% Above Drinking Water Limit

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/01/breaking-radiation-san-franc...

SWRichmond's picture

Radiation Found In San Francisco, CA Tap Water — Rainwater Radiation 18,100% Above Drinking Water Limit

You are deliberately conflating rainwater activity with tap water activity in a manner meant to cause alarm.  It's flagrant, disingenuous and greatly harms your credibility.

Japan nuclear radiation in Phoenix Arizona milk samples show radioactive Iodine contamination levels up to 1600% above EPA drinking water limits.

Again, conflating one with another, this time drinking water with milk.  Drinking water limits are probably "minimum detectable."

From the UCB data: "The number in parentheses is the number of liters of water that one would need to consume to equal the radiation exposure of a single round trip flight from San Francisco to Washington D.C. (0.05 mSv)"

For the one data point you cite, the number in parenthesis is 136.  In other words, you would have had to consume 136 liters of rainwater in order to get a dose of 0.05 mSv.  And, only on that particular day.

I am not saying this is acceptable; it is unacceptable.  Neither am I saying it is excuseable, because it is inexcuseable.  What I AM saying is that, in San Francisco, it was a transient condition, the health effects of which are possibly nonzero but in any event very very small if measureable.

You are conflating rainwater activity with milk activity.  You are spinning, not me.

Also not spin: what are the levels now?  How long did the elevated levels last?  What was the accumulated average per person exposure caused by those elevated levels?  What are the expected health effects of those exposures?

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/RainWaterSampling

Or, would you rather just continue to freak out?

RichardP's picture

Channeling Trav.  Interesting.

Dejean Splicer's picture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w62ujVBVqOc

Start @1:38

Cumulative Cesium-137, total deposition amounts starting to climb in US. Look for unhealthy US crops by 2011 harvest.

2012 planting season will be in irradiated soil which should damage the germination cycle, affecting yields and commodity prices.

DEMAND food sourced from South America at your local grocer.

Geiger counter reading from NC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMn4o2SjzE4

Strange eerie silence from US leadership regarding this event.

Bastiat's picture

This rad detector, a Radiation Alert Inspector, has a setting for "Total."  Which is what it is set on.  This means that the count is cumulative--that is why it keeps going up.  There is another setting for raw count, and another for mrad (micro sievert)/hr.  It's one thing to own a radiation detector, it's another to actually RTFM!!

SWRichmond's picture

Bastiat: do not try to be rational, their minds are already made up.  I think the user DID read the manual, and knew to set the meter to totalize, since this would produce the desired and misleading result.

Dejean Splicer's picture

I noticed neither of you .gov shills bothered to mention the Cesium-137 gains in total deposition. Nice spin technique.

I'm also glad to see your frustration and anger in regular Americans taking radiation seriously by purchasing equipment and making their findings public.

It may take him a couple of times to get it right but when he does your comrads over their in Hendron and Reston will have to start putting in the overtime.

trav7777's picture

124cpm at elevation next to GRANITE?

become educated.

Dejean Splicer's picture

If you caught that you also saw that he will return today to fix his error.

5000 is elevation to such an educated person as yourself?

SWRichmond's picture

GW, you are totally discredited.

Tyler: why do you tolerate this buffoon?

falak pema's picture

the quality of mercy...is not strained...it blesseth...It is Easter Monday!

SWRichmond's picture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Busby

Christopher Busby (born 1945)[citation needed] is a British scientist known for his controversial theories about the negative health effects of very low-dose ionising radiation. Busby is the director of Green Audit, an environmental consultancy agency,[1] and scientific advisor to the Low Level Radiation Campaign (LLRC) which he set up in 1995.[2] Busby was also the National Speaker on Science and Technology for the Green Party of England and Wales,[3][4] and the Scientific Secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risks, an informal committee based in Brussels.[5]

mworden's picture

so-called "respected" scientist, mostly self-published.  But that's not to say he's wrong. after all a broken analog timepiece is right twice a day.

UninterestedObserver's picture

Mark Lynas is an AUTHOR not a scientist - just saying. The very last comment in the comment section made a good point. 

 

Greenpeace said this about the death toll 

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/features/chernobyl-deaths-180406/

aVian's picture

Georgia Guidestones...nuff said

Maximus Failius's picture

aVian,

 

I just recently came across the Georgia guide stones.  As a newbie to the subject matter, would you care to expand?

Broomer's picture

If you are worried about this you can buy powdered milk made before the tsunami.

proLiberty's picture

 

"...Put Your Energy Into Demanding a Saner Energy Policy"

Like with every liberal utterance, whoever controls the meaning of the words, controls the predetermined outcome of the debate.  In this case, the key word is "saner".

Just what is meant by "saner"?  Nuclear power plant technology that is fail safe in every possible operating mode would be saner than many of the present designs.  But all too often, what is meant by the word "saner" is the idea humanity would be purified if everyone was forced to return to a more rural and less industrial lifestyle.  The hard work would be good for them and would drive the modern materialism out of their petty bourgeois heads. That they would come to cherish living so close to nature. Just like the attempt to bring a more sane way of life to the people of Cambodia.

 

 

 

prophet_banker's picture

Great idea. Too bad TPTB policies has taken the small farmers off of the land already.

UninterestedObserver's picture

LOL bullshit - how about "saner" meaning don't build power plants on fault lines? Where does all the spent fuel go by the way?

trav7777's picture

Why do you idiots keep repeating this "fault line" bullshit?

The entire nation of Japan is a fucking fault line.  The earthquake did not strike UNDERNEATH THE PLANT, nor was the fucking earthquake the CAUSE of the disaster.

A tsunami was!

Dejean Splicer's picture

Err, I donno but seems to me I recall a photo of a TEMPCO employee standing on top of an enclosed pool and pointing downward to a huge crack in the concrete caused by the earthquake.

Now I'ma not a edubicated like you is but I know that Confucius say: crack in concrete make pool go dry.

http://gothamist.com/attachments/jsaxena/040211plant.jpg

recursion's picture

Isn't it fair to say that the tsunami was caused by the earthquake though? Which ultimatly boils down to -> the earthquake was the problem.

It almost sounds like your saying... "Well jeeze you idiots, all of Japan is a fault line, what the hell are they supposed to do?? Not build nuclear power plants?!?!?!"  ---> The answer to that is a resounding "Hell no, they should not build nuclear power plants in, on or around fault lines, ever. For exactly the reasons we see here."

TheMerryPrankster's picture

What exactly caused the Tsunami? What causes most Tsunamis?

Soul Train's picture

I guess it's best just to eat less and drink less milk and other animal products. Try to drink lots of pure water - Dr Strangelove here we come.

Bagbalm's picture

I'm not going to go to an anti-nuke group for information about protecting myself from radiation. That is like going to the KKK to get information on harmonious race relations.

Creed's picture

That is like going to the KKK to get information on harmonious race relations.

 

 

bwhahahaha

 

Bagbalm eh? posting on a milk thread? bwahahaa