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Radiation At Fukushima Water Jumps To Over 1 Sievert, 10 Million Times Higher Than "Normal", Plutonium Tests Ordered For The First Time

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And the hits just keep on coming. Earlier today, TEPCO announced that the radiation in the water pool of reactor #2 had been measured at 1,000 millisieverts/h (1 sievert/h) - the highest reading so far recorded since the Fukushima disaster started. As a reminder, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says a single dose of 1,000 millisieverts is enough to cause haemorrhaging, which a ten hour exposure to this dose is enough to result in death. "The situation is serious. They have to pump away this water on the floor, get rid of it to lower the radiation," said Robert Finck, radiation protection specialist at the Swedish Radiation Safety Authority, speaking before the operator expressed doubt about the high reading. "It's virtually impossible to work, you can only be there for a few minutes. It's impossible to say how long it will take before they can gradually take control." From Kyodo: "Plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said the concentration of radioactive substances of the puddle was 10 million times higher than that seen usually in water in a reactor core, but later decided to reanalyze the data because it found some errors." And keep in mind this is the idiocy that is resulting after last week the brilliant geniuses at TECPO came up with the plan to water each and every reactor: now it's time to remove the water, but the water just happens to be so radioactive, nobody can remove it. In the meantime the leak into the ocean keeps getting worse: "Radioactive iodine-131 at a concentration 1,850.5 times the legal limit was detected in a seawater sample taken around 330 meters south of the plant, near a drainage outlet of the four troubled reactors, compared with 1,250.8 times the limit found Friday, the agency said." And while Zero Hedge has long believed that the only possible outcome here is the Plan Z concrete entombment, which will guarantee an 80 km non-inhabitable radius around Fukushima in perpetuity, finally the "experts" are warming up to this idea: per Reuters: "Experts say there is still too much heat in the reactor cores and spent fuel at the Fukushima plant for a similar last-ditch solution to be considered yet."

More from Reuters:

LEVELS 10 MILLION TIMES ABOVE NORMAL

The latest scare came as engineers were trying to pump radioactive water out of a turbine unit after it was found in buildings housing three of the reactors.

Officials at first said the water in No. 2 was found to contain 10 million times the amount of radioactive iodine that is normal in the reactor, but noted the substance had a half-life of under an hour, meaning it would disappear within a day.

Later they said the element that gave the reading may have been cobalt 56, which has a half life of 77 days, and if this was the case the level of radioactivity would have been far lower.

Radiation levels in the sea off the plant rose on Sunday to 1,850 times normal, from 1,250 on Saturday, Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said.

"Ocean currents will disperse radiation particles and so it will be very diluted by the time it gets consumed by fish and seaweed," said Hidehiko Nishiyama, a senior agency official.

TOKYO RADIATION LEVELS NORMAL

The elevated radiation detected on Sunday was confined to the reactor, and radioactivity in the air beyond the evacuation zone around the plant remained in normal ranges.

In downtown Tokyo, a Reuters reading on Sunday afternoon showed ambient radiation of 0.16 microsieverts per hour, below the global average of naturally occurring background radiation of 0.17-0.39 microsieverts per hour.

Several countries have banned produce and milk from Japan's nuclear crisis zone and are monitoring Japanese seafood because of fears of radioactive contamination.

Kyodo news agency said Japan would call on World Trade Organisation members at a meeting this week not to overreact to the radiation scare and abide by rules that ban import restrictions not based on scientific grounds.

The accident has also triggered concern around the globe about the safety of nuclear power generation. U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said it was time to reassess the international atomic safety regime.

The crisis looked set to claim its first, and unlikely, political casualty. In Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel's party faced defeat in a key state on Sunday, largely because of her U-turn on nuclear power.

OVERSHADOWING RELIEF EFFORT

The drama at the plant has overshadowed a relief and recovery effort from the magnitude 9.0 quake and the huge tsunami it triggered that left more than 27,100 people dead or missing in northeast Japan.

In Otsu, 70 km (42 miles) south of the stricken nuclear facility, the townsfolk are faced with livelihoods derailed by the natural disaster and now the fear of radiation in the air.

Ninety-three-year-old Kou Murata sat cross-legged on the floor of a school classroom, her home for the past fortnight. Surrounded by piles of quilts and blankets, she fretted over what was to become of her in the twilight of her life.

"I am afraid because people are leaving, and we are alone," she said, looking small and frail in a jacket decorated with snowmen.

Murata's daughter, Hisae, said the government had not helped them.

"I want to go back home, but the situation is impossible," she said. "I applied to the government to get a temporary house, but we need a certificate to say the house was destroyed. Now all the temporary houses have been taken. We thought the government would come to us, but we need to go to them."

The first opinion poll to be taken since the disaster showed the approval rating for Prime Minister Naoto Kan had edged higher, to 28.3 percent, but more than half disapproved of how the nuclear crisis had been handled.

Making things much worse is that, apparently for the first time, TEPCO has ordered tests for highly toxic and extremely lethal plutonium on the site:

As the worst atomic accident since Chernobyl entered its third week, the government said soil near the Fukushima plant would be tested for plutonium contamination. The radioactive metal was used in one of the reactors and its presence outside the plant would suggest the fuel rods were damaged.

 “I’ve said the situation won’t immediately improve, and high radiation water is one of the unexpected things that I had said might occur,” Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said at a briefing in Tokyo today. “We want to continue cooling, and establish a direction toward ending the situation.”

Soil samples have been taken and will be tested for plutonium, Edano told reporters.

Radiation leaks have contaminated vegetables in regions around the plant and sparked scares over tap water in Tokyo, 227 kilometers (140 miles) southwest of the Tokyo Electric Power Co. Dai-Ichi power station.

Which of course means that up until now nobody had been measuring for plutonium fall out. Brilliant.

And while nobody really knows anything that is happening at the plant, one thing we can be sure of is that the latest surge in radiation by 10E6, will cause Joe LaVorgna to hike his GDP forecast for Japan by a comparable amount.

Update: Now we get this hilariously farcical interlude:

The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant said on Monday a very high radiation reading that had sent workers fleeing the No. 2 reactor was erroneous.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) vice-president Sakae Muto apologised for Sunday's error, which added to alarm inside and outside Japan over the impact of contamination from the complex which was hit by an earthquake and tsunami on March 11.

In other news, radiation burns suffered by three TEPCO workers while puddling along reactor 2 was just due to unfortunate combination of too much sun and little to no tanning lotion. We are confident repair on Reactor 2 will proceed immediately...by mutant 3 eyed ill-tempered seabass. Or was the seawater radioactivity count faulty too?

 


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Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:31 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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What are the true levels?

If you don't know (which you don't) then shut your stupid fucking whore mouth.

All you do is shit out of your mouth

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:33 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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should I don my shit proof pants now?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:37 | Link to Comment Stormdancer
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Only if your derriere is somewhere in the vicinity of Trav's mouth.

If not you will probably be ok just keeping the pants close by for the moment.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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It looks like the very first post at the top of this thread by Trav7777 is well on it's way to junk heaven. So I'm reproducing it here for those who will come later and wonder what the hell is going on since Trav7777's post with be where the sun don't shine.

 

by trav7777
on Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:24
#1105294

 

"10 million" claim later retracted as error.

Tighten up the BS, Tyler

reply flag as junk (22)

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:25 | Link to Comment TaxSlave
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@CD--

 

I don't know if you returned to see my apology for my ill-considered response to one of your comments the other day.  If not, it was my mistake, sorry bout that.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I'm not sweating it in the least so you should not as well. I am most certainly guilty of opening my mouth and inserting my foot far more often than my ego would care to admit. But thank you for so honorably apologizing. It wasn't needed, but it is most certainly a class act. :>)

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:40 | Link to Comment long-shorty
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how many junks does it take for a post to go to junk heaven on ZH? just curious.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:13 | Link to Comment RichardP
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I read earlier today in a different thread that it used to be 10, but was later increased to 50.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:47 | Link to Comment jhalmos
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I also read a retraction on the number. Is 10 million even possible without Jack Lemmon and Jane Fonda showing up?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Blankman
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I think Trav just saw his chance to be the first poster on the thread and jumped on it.  Trav I enjoy reading what you have to say sometimes but shit man, for you to believe the revision numbers coming out of Japan.  I think you have your head up your ass this lovely Sunday morn.  Do you really not think the gov of Japan would not revise these #'s to their favor?  Come on.

 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:01 | Link to Comment trav7777
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I have insufficient facts upon which to base a statement.  Therefore I do not make one.

I know this concept must seem revolutionary to all the talking asshats on ZH, but it is what it is.

My original post was intended to do no more than state a fact.  If you choose to only believe bad news, that's your prerogative.  Why should I believe initial numbers and not revisions?  Why are the first less credible or more credible, when as I am told, TEPCO and the gov't does nothing but lie ALL the time?

Perhaps the initial number and the revision were both lies.  I find no basis to believe that one is any more or less credible than the other, but the facts are that the initial number was retracted as error.  If we are going to quote TEPCO we must quote them in their entirety, not just cherrypick the statements we like and then rush off to ZH for group affirmation.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Blankman
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My alarm bells inside my head have been ringing on this one since it happened.  Sure the facts are not all completely in but my gut is telling me this reactor is fucked.  What is being done now is being done only as a mortician puts lipstick on a dead guy before the funeral.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:58 | Link to Comment What does it al...
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+1, I agree with you, I replied to Trav7777, but I doubt that he cares.  

Then again, I don't care that he doesn't care.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:47 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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That's actually a good point.

I think you're just misunderstood.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:55 | Link to Comment What does it al...
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In that case, you better be a theoretical mathematician.  Because everything else requires hypothesis, conjectures and educated guesses!

So, your rebuttal is itself pointless.  I get it.  So, it is not a very good point.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:41 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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This might be a better option.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5CaJP7b29k

You may need to change if the news gets worse.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:22 | Link to Comment franzpick
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Overheating, radioactive, toxic, yellow junk in the road ahead.  Step over it.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:03 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Don't worry they'll clean it up...

 

KAMIKAZE CLEANUP CREW TO ILLE 2 PLEASE!! 

 

AND PLEASE!!! CLOSE YOUR CURTAINS OR THE RADIATION WILL GET YOU!!

 

 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:45 | Link to Comment trav7777
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the true levels are somewhere north of your IQ, but slightly south of room temperature

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:49 | Link to Comment LeBalance
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Trav, give a link or just keep spewing.

You have not come to the table as anything other than a child.

Bring it or we will put the diaper on you.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:07 | Link to Comment trav7777
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link already posted.  I think in response to YOU.

As if YOU were incapable of verifying for yourself...wtf.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment reading
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Do you seriously believe them when they say, "those readings aren't accuarate," but fail to give an alternative reading?  

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:35 | Link to Comment avonaltendorf
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Shut up Trav.

Dr. Michio Kaku: "I have suggested on TV that the leadership of the crisis management be replaced. The utility should be kept on as a consultant, but a top flight international team of nuclear scientists and engineers should take over, aided by access to the Japanese military. The utility is simply overwhelmed by the crisis. Only the mililtary, guided by an international team of top scientists and engineers, can tame this monster."

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:02 | Link to Comment trav7777
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do you think I disagree with Dr. Michio?  I think I recall suggesting the same thing over a week ago.

I also went out on a limb and said that I thought the US was calling the shots as of the time of the helo water drop.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:29 | Link to Comment RichardP
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Only the mililtary, guided by an international team of top scientists and engineers, can tame this monster.

For the time being, can this military/science group do anything other than what is currently being done - spray water to keep things from igniting?  Serious question.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:07 | Link to Comment trav7777
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no, probably not.

The only issue I took was with the timeliness of their initial actions. I thought it incomprehensible that they didn't airlift generation capacity and then vent the buildings and I said so at the time.

It appears after 3 of them blew, they vented the 4th.  And after days of failure, they resorted to firespraying the areas.

At this point, if they can prevent fire, they will avert total hellbreakloose.  But they will have to deal with a lot of radiological contamination for some time.

Lost in the hysteria over the 10 million vs 10,000 was the fact that workers are ACTUALLY INSIDE THE PLANT COMPLEX, which is itself a lost piece of GOOD news.  That we were treated to video of workers actually walking in the plant complex and not dropping immediately dead is evidence that the worst-case of fuel rods and reactor core all over the facility was simply not true.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 16:16 | Link to Comment RichardP
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Thanks Trav.  I was actually responding to avon, who was insisting that the military take over with scientific and engineering  guidance - as tho they could do something different than what is being done now.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:06 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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ayooooooo

Someone call up the TEPCO burn unit cause trav just scorched me with one of his thousand millisievert  zingers.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:39 | Link to Comment franzpick
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Water off your back Bob:  'An insult a person makes about someone else says everything about the declarer, and nothing about the intended recipient.'

Plus, think of how all the 1000s of women named Millie Sievert are feeling when they see the reactions they get when they show their credit card, write a check, sign their tax return, fill out the doctor's office form, make a phone purchase ? 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:36 | Link to Comment malikai
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I'll bet miss Millie Sievert is a "hot" chick.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 15:06 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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She is truly radiant.  But don't be around when she's on her period because she usually goes into a meltdown.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 23:39 | Link to Comment TerraHertz
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So 'Millie Sieverts per hour' is really a measure of manly stamina?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:00 | Link to Comment VyseLegendaire
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Your mission to apologize for the incompetent has been a resounding success. 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:00 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I love it how often Trav7777 claims he's attacked by really nasty bad guys and gals using ad hominem techniques when he is cornered. But he has no problem using these techniques himself when it suites his purpose or just for the pure unadulterated pleasure of abusing everyone and anyone who doesn't agree with the only person on Earth that holds and is allowed to dispense the real honest to God "truth". That is of course our abuse and truth spreader Trac7777 the almighty.

Subject to revision and manipulation by Trav7777 of course because.....well, he's Trav7777. You do not question the omnipotent Trav7777 or you will suffer his wrath. But remember.......he loves you and only wants to help you understand the truth.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:10 | Link to Comment trav7777
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cornered?  ROTFL...my good man, there is but one in a thousand here capable of making me break a sweat in an argument.  And they are all on my side.

I'm sorry you find me so threatening, dude...work on that with your therapist.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:14 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Whose on your side cock breath?

Your diarrhea is really starting to splash around the place. By the looks of things there are a thousand people here calling you an idiot.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:06 | Link to Comment trav7777
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let's see here...who's on my side?  Every single person with any knowledge or expertise on the topic, as usual.

In opposition are moonbats who can't even keep a single thought straight...IOW, people just like you

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:19 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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Junk button says you're wrong on that Trav. Not taking sides, just reading the material like most folks, and praying Japan doesn't a become a radioactive wasteland. 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:09 | Link to Comment trav7777
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you think a junk button on a website such as ZH is a statement of veracity?

This site's junk feature is a popularity contest and nothing more.

Dude, I've gotten half a dozen junks posting a link to a DOE publication about a study of zircaloy fuel cladding fire risk from an emptied SFP.

There are orders of magnitude more moonbats here than there are people with real expertise on any topic.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 15:11 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Not to defend the Trav--he does a fine enough job of that himself--but when has the junk feature ever been the arbiter of truth around here?

But instead of sitting here wringing your collective hands over the issue (I'm speaking to the broader community here) why aren't you out preparing for the worst case scenario?  Chattering away on the internet will not a garden dig.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 15:41 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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There's still two feet of frost in the ground, and I haven't crunched my second dose (handful) of KI yet today. 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 16:45 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Take it as a good opportunity to set up an indoor grow room.  Comes with the added benefit of being able to raise some wacky tobbacky without nosy neighbors peering over the fenceline.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 21:38 | Link to Comment Crumbles
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GREENHOUSE, dude, think greenhouse and hot frame and grow-your-own from seeds.  Mother Earth, Organic Gardening magazines/websites.  Low tech, solar powered, and good tasting too.

and BTFD!

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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"10 million times higher than that seen usually in water in a reactor core"

What is the usual amount in water in a reactor core (not storage pool).

What if it were a mere 100,00 times?

Would that be acceptable?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:51 | Link to Comment majia
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Trav7777 if  you disagree so profoundly why do you bother to read the articles AND comments here?

Most people stop reading sites they regard as unreliable--that is, most educated people stop reading because they do not have enough time to waste on misinformation and propaganda.

Surely you must have a hidden agenda? Since your use of language is not designed to persuade, I must conclude that agenda is to defame.

However, since you lack strong argumentative skills, all you have managed to do is earn the disgust of what appears to be the vast majority of the commentators.

My suggestion is that you learn how to argue more persuasively and acquire the skills of reasoned debate so as not to continue wasting comment space...

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:11 | Link to Comment trav7777
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get the fuck outta here, majia...

persuasion on ZH is infeasible because the most vociferous posters are intractably stupid.

If you want proof, take a look at the evolution of "Flakmeister," who is a goddamned physicist who worked at CERN of all places, who went from reasoned and deliberate recitation of facts and morphed into "just STFU" all while I goaded him with Star Wars Emperor quotes, because he did what you suggest and it failed miserably to penetrate the thickness of some of the regulars here.

In fact, when I first came here I did the same thing as he did.  WTF is the point?  I have posted research papers on this topic here; nobody read them, nobody replied.  People come here for group affirmation and I just mock them.

I continue to try to debate with cretins such as "bob dabolina," where he makes a claim and I ask for facts upon which he has based his claim and then he responds by asking me if I will move my children to Fukushima.  In the face of that, I respond by pointing out his non sequitur and reiterating my request for factual bases to support his initial claim.  And then he says I am a pussy.

So where exactly the fuck is there ROOM in these types of exchanges for "persuasive argument"?  There is room for nothing other than defamation and it is warranted.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:30 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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"10 million times higher than that seen usually in water in a reactor core"

What is the usual amount in water in a reactor core (not storage pool).

What if it were a mere 100,00 times?

Would that be acceptable?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:30 | Link to Comment majia
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I've looked at your reports and citations--I've been reading zerohedge since it was a blog spot.

Your more reasoned posts do add to the conversation.

However, many links to academic reports have been like the one by the researcher at Santa Barbara, who work at the nuclear lab Lawrence Livermore in CA and received grant money from interested parties (I think it was the nuclear regulatory commission).

I'm not saying you were the one to link this report. My point is that readers probably have become skeptical of "authorities" who have conflicted interests.

I think posters at zerohedge are right to be skeptical of such reports. As an academic I can attest to the fact that academics who receive grants often are bought off by industry and/or are blinded by their models.

The poster who linked Nassim Taleb's comments about experts' inability to deal with low probability events is right on when it comes to even the most neutral and objective of expert analyses.

The issue is that official and expert declarations too often are deceptive, omit key details, or are simply propaganda.

Zerohedge readers are mostly united by their recognition of this fact...

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 20:49 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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+1 insightful.

"Nassim Taleb's comments about experts' inability to deal with low probability events"

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:45 | Link to Comment arekieh
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retracted

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:55 | Link to Comment RichardP
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If only I can find the right words, they will understand.

Folks cannot thrive as adults until they understand the untruth in that statement.  Consider absolute truth vs. true enough.  Most of us live our lives on the true enough level.  What value is there in pushing absolute truth when that truth lies in so much detail that the listener cannot possibly understand - unless he also knows all of the detail?  That fact is why schools are arranged in grades.  Things you study in the 12th grade depending on knowing things you studied in the 3rd grade.  One cannot expect a 3rd grader to jump straight to twelfth grade and do well.  If you get this, you will also get why absolute truth is not forthcoming re. the nuclear problem.  Most of the world would not know how to properly interpret it.  (I'm not defending any incompetence in handling this current situation.)

I know enough to understand the points that Trav makes, and I appreciate them.  I would appreciate them more if they were presented in a less-confrontational manner, but I also understand Trav's frustration.

Trav, I'm guessing there are folks reading and not commenting who need your perspective.  Don't go away.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:17 | Link to Comment trav7777
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of course; I understand that as well, and I continuously make reference to the Downing Effect as the cause of all this and a whole host of other messes.  When 3rd graders do not know that they are 3rd graders, there is a problem.

but...but...tmosely says I am not wanted, boo hoo sniff sniff. 

Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere.  The regulars here really badly want me to be saying "everything is fine," to be the strawman shill they can rail against.  That's who they're looking for, the "enemy," the "them," the "other team."  Same stuff I encounter when arguing with democraps or repugnicons.  Or if you criticize NeObama, you are immediately framed as a Muhcane supporter and vice versa.

The average person in the world appears incapable of not existing in an internal conceptualization which is in reality a false dilemma

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 15:36 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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You are paranoid. Generally, I say this with a neutral syntax, if you can believe this. In this context however it is meant negatively.

It doesn't matter who this person is and what his motivations are. Stop attacking him. He is trying to add to the discussion and doing a better job of it than most commenters.

Scrutiny is credibility's best friend. Fact checking and adding all sources of information are the best way to find the truth. This site and its reliability add to my ability to find the truth, are extremely convinient and make my life much better. ZH makes my day go by much easier. Fact checking and knowing that the information I have is accurate helps me sleept at night: as I mentioned before I am personally affected by this crisis due to my proximity to Japan. For humanity's sake we should focus on the correct reporting of information and not regress to hysteria. Nobody is perfect, not trav not the people who post messages of impending doom but we should do our best to remain objective.

Check your emotions at the catcha; human lives are at stake.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:33 | Link to Comment breezer1
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hey bob, meet me on plenty of fish later. i love it when you talk like that.
(thanks for the other night)

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:58 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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I aim to please.

You're from Czechoslovakia right?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:30 | Link to Comment LeBalance
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Link?

Error in giving out the truth?

Yeah, sorry we told you the truth.

And you couldn't handle it.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:32 | Link to Comment Midnight Rambler
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Agreed. If I wanted fear-mongering based on incorrect information, I could just watch MSM.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:33 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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K.

Bye, you won't be missed.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:50 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Tyler quoted Reuters. So let me get this straight. Tyler is fear mongering if he quotes Reuters (presumably because it is MSM) and he is fear mongering if he quotes any other source because it's not reputable, mainstream or just sounds funny. You've set the bar at "impossible" which I'm sure fits your agenda.

Since the only information that's stated as correct by the authorities are "official" sources and this information came from official sources, then reported by Reuters, explain to me and the rest of ZH exactly where Tyler can get his information that would not be considered rumor mongering but rather simply facts. Or maybe what you are saying is that any facts that are frightening (possibly because they are from official sources?) should be considered rumor mongering?

Sounds like we should all assume the sheep position and just let ourselves be guided by the benevolent and all caring "official" authorities. I suspect why people panic when the news is bad is because they have been so conditioned by a lifetime of being lied to by the authorities that when something is told to them that is bad, they automatically assume the worse because the credibility of the authorities is shit. The problem isn't with Tyler or the people who are frightened or even panicking. It is the wolf who once again is knocking at the door claiming to be a sheep or the shepherd.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:54 | Link to Comment malikai
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Keep up the good work. And thanks for setting me straight yesterday. I needed it.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Alienated Serf
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malikai, relax.  let go of the guilt.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:28 | Link to Comment malikai
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Respect != Guilt.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:58 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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+1

You're the man CD

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:04 | Link to Comment VyseLegendaire
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Thanks for this.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:15 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Dude, how the fuck do you think I was ABLE to be first with that post unless the retraction was ALREADY OUT?

By the time TD put up the goddamned page to draw you flies in, the reading had ALREADY BEEN RETRACTED.  He knew it and I knew it. 

I understand the psych phenomenon of projection.  Consequently, I do understand how you people could believe I am talking shit, because you yourselves pretty constantly are.  Downing Effect.  READ it.  Write a fucking NOVEL on it.

But, anyone who has done even a paucity of psych analysis would realize straight away that being wrong publicly is an anathema to me, which is why I take great pains to never do it.

A fair recitation of the facts would have made equal emphasis to the retraction, instead of paragraphs of shit about the initial reading buttressed with utter CRAP about the radiation burns suffered in the water by those 2 workers, as if TEPCO EVER said the things TD just attributed to them.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:21 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Like I've said a thousand times fuck face, it's TEPCO you're getting your information from.

It's very likely they released true information and then realized it would be better if they watered it down.

You don't know shit about squat. You say you're an expert but all you do is come here and just shit and it's getting disgusting.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:42 | Link to Comment Voluntary Exchange
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Are you two married?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 15:30 | Link to Comment Kobe Beef
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hahaha! good one, VE

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:23 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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You were the first because you constantly hit the browser refresh button every ten seconds and saw the post go up five seconds after it was posted.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:15 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Not even close to accurate and in no way responsive to what I just said.

The fact remains that the retraction was clear as of the time of my initial comment.  Take the failure to address this in a fair manner with the hosts, not with me for pointing out that failure.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:21 | Link to Comment BigJim
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You do come across as being particularly anxious to ensure nuclear is shown in the best light possible.

Is this the result of your peak-oil monomania?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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"10 million times higher than that seen usually in water in a reactor core"

What is the usual amount in water in a reactor core (not storage pool).

What if it were a mere 100,00 times?

Would that be acceptable?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:21 | Link to Comment BigJim
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...being wrong publicly is an anathema to me...

believe me Trav, it's very, VERY clear that being wrong is anathema to you , which is why you throw such a strop when it looks like you might be.

Chill dude. Even the smartest people don't know everything. But most of them are smart enough to know it.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 15:46 | Link to Comment Banjo
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You use alot of swearing in your communication it detracts from your credibility. I've yet to read text and any scientific works that use such a high incidence of expletives.

Thank you for the reference to Downing effect, quite interesting I hope to do some additional reading beyond the wiki article I just googled.

Regards being wrong in public being an anathema. To me this is an indication of your percieved superiority in what facts you believe you are sharing, ergo Downing Effect in action.

In my opinion, being wrong in public is not the problem. Admitting you made a factual error and understanding how and why such an error was made is the issue. (To my mind anyhow)

 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:26 | Link to Comment Midnight Rambler
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I'm simply expressing frustration at how this site has degenerated over time. Greater emphasis on fact-checking before releasing sensational headlines and limiting the increasingly obvious agenda would be welcomed by readers like myself who come here for the kind of no-nonsense, hard-hitting financial news, analysis and generally actionable content that set ZH apart from the crowd once upon a time. 

 

I very much doubt that the vast majority of readers would find my "agenda" - if that's what you want to call it - the least bit objectionable. It is, I suspect, what most of us came here for in the first place.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:22 | Link to Comment RichardP
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Conside the pilot of a new television program.  The pilot and first few shows are always way more expensive and thus better than the rest of the show ever is.  That is by design, to draw you in and get you emotionally invested in the show.  Same here.  This site is not a charity.  It exists to make money.  The more eyeballs and clicks, the more money is made.  Simpy reciting facts does not draw eyeballs and clicks.  Controversial headlines and flame wars do.  Hence the degradation of the site.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 15:21 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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It's called "page views".  More page views equals more revenue.  The more sensational, the more page views.  It's not whether the information is necessarily correct, but whether or not it will generate lots of page views.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Kina
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Actually they are retesting another sample because they don't believe the first results having first not been processed by PR and Marketing division.

And how on earth did they release readings they don't believe. And one would assume that any data coming out would be double checked and retested in need before releasing it to the public.

This sounds to me like a genuine reading and was later doubted after govt reminded them that tomorrow was monday.

 

One thing is certain, we are getting more BS than data out of Fukushima.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:49 | Link to Comment trav7777
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just fill in whatever paranoid conspiracy theory that springs into that empty head to explain things.  Get lots of approval from group (which is why most people are actually here- group approval, not freethought or fact-seeking), rinse, repeat.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:59 | Link to Comment Kina
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kinda feel sorry for you.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:04 | Link to Comment avonaltendorf
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Now you're just embarrassing yourself.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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"10 million times higher than that seen usually in water in a reactor core"

What is the usual amount in water in a reactor core (not storage pool).

What if it were a mere 100,00 times?

Would that be acceptable?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:11 | Link to Comment A Man without Q...
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Funny you should say that...

"Radiation in the water was a still worrying 100,000 times higher than normal, rather than 10 million times higher as originally stated, Muto said."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/27/us-japan-quake-idUSTRE72A0SS20...

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:15 | Link to Comment Hansel
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This also caught my eye,

One subcontracted worker who laid cables for new electrical lines March 19 described chaotic conditions and lax supervision that made him nervous. Masataka Hishida said neither he nor the workers around him were given a dosimeter, a device used to measure one’s exposure to radiation. He was surprised that workers were not given special shoes; rather, they were told to put plastic bags over their street shoots. When he was trying on the gas mask for the first time, he said the supervisor told him and other subcontractors, “Listen carefully, I’m only going to say this one time” while explaining how to use it.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Alienated Serf
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TEPCO is a fine company, that would never put workers at risk or mislead the public.  trav told me so.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:17 | Link to Comment trav7777
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should be pretty easy to dig up a quote, right?

Where oh where are all the CDs and the baghead sockpuppets to DEMAND truth out of you?  After all, ZH is about truth, right?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:41 | Link to Comment Byte Me
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And they're such a fine company that the executive bath house is being relocated to the #2 Daiichi turbine hall this week coming. No need to "bow and apologise" to save face and honour -- they're fresh out of that. They can best serve all parties by doing a ten hour shift in their new sauna.

Anyone having difficulty finding MSM TV on this can check the fine NHK world o/p on this Tepco demonstration of incompetence and obfuscation:

The original 10E+7 story:  http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/27_12.html?play

The later retraction:  http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/27_24.html?play

As most here will be only too aware, the obvious implication of levels as high as this in 'puddles' is that fuel pellet integrity is shot in a major way and containment is a joke. Watching the retraction BS does raise additional concern that the 134 isotope might be Caesium, in which case it won't 'go away' too quickly (half life 2 yrs). There again - with TEPCrap -- the truth will be the LAST thing that we find out.

Bet the seaweed and fish get first dibs on it.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Dane Bramage
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Plastic bags, secured with duct tape.  Never underestimate the power of duct tape! 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 16:00 | Link to Comment Reptil
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He Hansel, that story disappeared. It's been thouroughly erased. Do you have it cached somewhere?

Thanks!

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 16:10 | Link to Comment Reptil
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double

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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I picked it up from your post (sorry should have attributed).

Point is trav7777 does not seem in the mood to respond.

 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:17 | Link to Comment trav7777
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respond to WHAT?

JFC how the hell do you expect me to keep track of everything that everyone says?  I am not a machine for fuck's sake.

I can't set ALL of you straight at once, ok?  While my intelligence may seem godlike to you, I assure you my typing is not

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:35 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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"10 million times higher than that seen usually in water in a reactor core"

What is the usual amount in water in a reactor core (not storage pool).

What if it were a mere 100,00 times?

Would that be acceptable?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:20 | Link to Comment trav7777
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acceptable for what?  the inside of a busted reactor?  Or for my backyard?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 16:14 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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Well the Oracle speaks.

Let's take them one by one shall we?

1. Your backyard.

2. The inside of a "busted recator".

On 2 I take it, that on balance, you now agree that "a reactor is bust".

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 17:38 | Link to Comment JethroBodien
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My friend you are one angry individual.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 17:44 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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:)

No he's not.

He's Skynet.

A Government paid (highly paid) disruptor.

The guy is only doing his job.

You pay for it.

 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:10 | Link to Comment Broder_Tuck
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Kina brings up a valid point. Your contribution? Not so much.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:17 | Link to Comment trav7777
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lol...group approval.  That's why most are here.  That's all you seek.

Kina claimed that the number wasn't vetted by PR or marketing and you say this is a "valid point"?!?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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You are a particularly shrill shill today Trav. Kindly remove that thumb from your ass and reinsert it back where it belongs, in your mouth.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:00 | Link to Comment Broder_Tuck
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Oh I think it is a very valid point. Maybe not the PR-department though, but higher up in the company. You see there happen to be this rather populous little village called Tokyo next to Chernobyl II. What we are seeing are simple behavioural science in action. Keep the heard confused to induce apathy. The world is a bigger place than your natural science books dear sir.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:39 | Link to Comment UninterestedObserver
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Sure it was a mistake - give me a break Trav you are starting to sound like a TEPCO shill

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:51 | Link to Comment trav7777
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dude, you can get your fill of group approval at moonbats.com

I read this http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/27/radiation-inside-fukushima-dai-ichi-nuclear-plant-rises-sharply/?ncid=webmail

before Tyler posted the article.  It's abundantly clear that the reading was in doubt.  So, when faced with doubt, SURE, ALWAYS ASSUME whatever set of imaginary facts supports your a priori bias!  Then go with the herd!  Always march with the other lemmings.  Never seek out factual confirmation, never try to falsify your own opinions.  March to the beat, conform conform conform.

This site has turned into more of an echo chamber than TF.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:55 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Yes it has.  That sounds like a good reason for you to leave and never come back.

So get the fuck out, you government worshipping shill.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:42 | Link to Comment takinthehighway
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sorry, double post 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:38 | Link to Comment takinthehighway
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Your comment reminded me of this song...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuJe7dQ03R0

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:01 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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This site has turned into more of an echo chamber than TF.

Your comments have turned into a porta-potty at a popeyes chicken on the East side of LA. Just ugly and stupid foul smelling comments.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:46 | Link to Comment arekieh
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try refuting the substance of his posts you idiots. When you just say his comments are shit you prove his point

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Broder_Tuck
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Your mother has turned into a echo chamber.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:18 | Link to Comment reading
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I hear they're having some great conversations over at Tepco.com, maybe you can go add something over there.  

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:39 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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"10 million times higher than that seen usually in water in a reactor core"

What is the usual amount in water in a reactor core (not storage pool).

 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:14 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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Good question.  This data, when it comes out, seems designed to frustrate any sane comparison.  Also, how is the 80 km dead zone calculated?  Seems early to have any real handle on that?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:39 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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I am beginning to get the impression (yes that's not fact) that all of the disinformation emanating from Japan (not just TEPCO) has a purpose.

It is not just about not wanting to "frighten the horses".

I suspect that "playas" are front running the truth, which they have and we do not.

In the meantime.

Keep everybody confused.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:42 | Link to Comment A Man without Q...
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Actually, what they have said is that "the number is not credible", and because they had to run like fuck, they failed to take a second reading, so therefore it is assumed to be wrong.  Anyway, the article above does state that they believe the number is wrong.

It's interesting that the scientists working at Chernobyl inside the Sarcophagus would find there could be sudden massive spikes in radioactivity, just around every corner.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5968506788418521112#

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:57 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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In my old neighborhood somewhere in Brooklyn, when a guy walks in with his finger in the configuration displayed in your icon, it means hey I'm a dumb fuck someone please pop me in the mouth.

Just saying.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:26 | Link to Comment Alienated Serf
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brooklyn represent.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:58 | Link to Comment tmosley
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You dumbshit fucking liar.  They just SAID it was inaccurate.  The same guys who burned their credibility two fucking weeks ago.  They haven't even finished retesting it.  

And here you are, waving your hands screaming like a madman telling everyone how stupid they are to believe numbers that are reported.  Fuck off, you government loving shill.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:18 | Link to Comment trav7777
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let me leave you with a little mindbender, mosely...

if you claim that these guys have no credibility for 2 weeks, then WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THE INITIAL READING IN THE FIRST PLACE?

A true skeptic would doubt all information, not just the ones that go against his selection bias.

Let's just face facts, dude...you are far too stupid to be attempting thinking.  it's like a midget trying to dunk a basketball.  GET A FUCKING LADDER

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Sweet Chicken
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Mindbender? Hardly. I don't think anyone here believes for a second that even this figure is "accurrate" but instead points to the fact that as the days go by the information being released is slowly getting worse. I think most believe these numbers whether accurrate or not at the moment will eventually reach these limits. The most important point is that they are not being forthright with their information and are trying to control the hysteria rather than protecting human life at all costs.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:24 | Link to Comment tmosley
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The bias is in one direction, moron.  If they say it, then the reality is equal to or worse than what they are saying.  

This happens everywhere, all the time.  It's called CYA.

Get the fuck out of here, you god damned government shill.  Every word you say is a subtle but solid support for TPTB.  You claim that any economic problems are caused by peak oil (not the government's fault), you claim that this nuclear situation isn't getting worse, backing up the government position, AND you do it all while pretending to be on our side, and making us look bad with your fucking crazy assed racism.

GET THE FUCK OUT YOU MOTHERFUCKING ASSHOLE.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:24 | Link to Comment trav7777
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good...good...

with each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Fearless Rick
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Hey, Trav, fucking asshole, why not go the full monty and just say that the accident never happened in the first place. It was all made up by the media to scare us about radiation. And 9/11 never happened either. Neither did the holocaust or WWII. And the tsunami of 2004? Naw.

All of history's worst events have been pure fiction.

Krakatoa, anyone? The fall of Rome?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:23 | Link to Comment trav7777
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I'm pretty good with numbers, but even I cannot count high enough to catalog all the logical fallacies in that post.  From strawman to ignoratio elenchi, you've pretty much covered all the bases- a veritable tour de force of stupidity

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 17:44 | Link to Comment JethroBodien
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Trav it sounds a little bit like you against the world. Thats a lonely place

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:36 | Link to Comment Threeggg
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T,

you said:

 "They haven't even finished retesting it"

You may have just won the debate here !

It's amazing that you did it with 6 words !!!!!!!!!!!!!

+239

 

  

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:10 | Link to Comment oogs66
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TEPCO has said they MUST be erroneous as no 2nd test was done (the testers ran as fast as they could on the initial test).  They have no evidence that the test was wrong, other than it must be wrong!  That has to be a fun conversation.  TEPCO Chief:  'Ah, Mr. Masayama, your test, although usually so good, must not be so good right now, so if you please, go back and do another one'.  Mr Masayam:  How do you say, my test always been good, and if you think I'm going back in you can go ph*ck yourself?

 

Its almost amazing how quick everyone is to report the story that the test was erroneous based on the claim of a proven liar and no evidence of a test with different result.  The headline should at least be honest....TEPCO says reading seems to high to be believable so is trying to convince someone to go back in and take another test.

 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:24 | Link to Comment in-Credible Banker
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Go get 'em trav!  This group has been sensationalizing this whole radiation thing from day 1........

 

 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:24 | Link to Comment Mark McGoldrick
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Doomer Porn:  it's like a snuff film, only on a bigger scale!

Earthquake, Tsunami, Nuclear Meltdown...

I would imagine the past two weeks have been the first time these doomer libertarians have seen their 2" erections since they buried their last ham before the winter freeze.

It's Spring time in Doomer land!  Time to clean the barrel of our rifles!   

 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:23 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Who are you even talking to?  Yourself?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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Here comes the second string...or is it just the latest handle of GoldenMiddleFinger?

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:32 | Link to Comment taraxias
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An "error", of course an "error", stay calm, nothing to see here.

Remind me again, the guys who apparently can't report the radiation levels correctly, making "error" after "error", are they the same guys that are trying to contain this mess?

Just sayin'

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:38 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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If you are in Tokyo, sheeple, GTFO now.  Your gubmint is terrified you'll leave.  You should be terrified to stay.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:11 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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Someone posted this over on the other thread;

                      "Tokyo Evacuating"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnvzWrxRFd0

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:50 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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The guy is crying, but I can't get any sound and I don't read lips.  

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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Yeah, the sound is out of sync, but it will play.

 

Basically he says that the Japanese authorities have warned citizens of Tokyo not to drink, bathe or come in contact with the water supply in Tokyo. He also says that an evacuation is in progress (Tokyo) and it is not being reported on the news. Also talks about the rainfall causing nasty rashes on exposed skin.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:22 | Link to Comment trav7777
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truly amazing that nobody has leaked this

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 13:37 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:26 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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They should just carpet-bomb the whole area with bunker busters and turn it into a land fill.

10 years from now, some "enterprising speculator" will end up turning the place into an amusement park like Jurassic Park or something....

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:33 | Link to Comment LeBalance
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Yeah its a Helloween Mecca, go there are f'n glow in the dark.

One night stand only, last night on Earth.

Big seller to the Goth crowd.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:32 | Link to Comment PY-129-20
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Kellogg Company, the world's leading producer of high-quality, great-tasting cereals and convenience foods presents you with its newest cereal sensation: "Plutonium Flakes".

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:09 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Sadly the GMO corn interacts poorly with the plutonium and would therefore need to be labeled "Plutonium Flix" or "PluFlix" for marketing purposes, which would then take Kelloggs to the stratosphere in the ES markets.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:51 | Link to Comment Natasha
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At the very least, the Japanese can turn Fukushima into a tourist destination like the Ukrainians did with Chernobyl.

Tour Schedule:

  • 9 a.m. Pick up at your hotel/apartment (for an individual tour) or meeting near Kozatsky hotel at Independence Square (for a group tour) with other group members.
  • 10.30 a.m. Transfer to Chernobyl passing Dytyatky village at the border of the 30-km Chernobyl Zone. Passing the check point on the border of 10-km Zone. Meeting the representative of Chernobylinterinform Agency. 
  • Arrival to Chernobyl town. Information regarding the Chernobyl tragedy, borders of the Zone, life in Chernobyl nowadays. Up-to-date information about the liquidation of the Chernobyl catastrophe consequences in the 30-km Zone, most contagious places, machines, cemeteries. Prognosis for the future. 
  • Trip around the Nuclear Power Station. Photo-stop near the Reactor No 4 of the former station with the view on the sarcofagus. You will be only 100 m from the main cryptic object of the Zone! 
  • You will be driven nearby to the "red forest", which was left for scientific researches.
  • Trip to Pripyat - "The Dead (Ghost) Town" walking, visiting one of the tallest buildings – Polesie Hotel; a school, a kinder garden, former living houses, which are absolutely empty now. You will see the town that was left by its 50 thousand inhabitants within 24 hours. The spirit of Soviet darkness reigns here. You can make pictures of the National Emblem of the Soviet Union and of Soviet Ukraine, slogans ‘Peace, Labor and May", red-yellow public call-boxes and other objects that were symbols of the 80's in the Soviet Union. Additionally, you will visit a Central Park with a big Ferris Wheel. They planned to open this big Ferris Wheel on 1 May 1986 (public holiday). This big Ferris Wheel has never seen its visitors. Pripyat is similar to a mummy. It has a body but it doesn't have a soul. 
  • 03.30 p.m. Ecologically clean Dinner at Chernobyl (all food is delivered from Kiev).
  • Optional visit of Opachychi village to meet and talk to resettles.
  • Observation tour in Chernobyl Town, visiting the river port, Ilinskaya Church, Glory Park, examples of machinery, which took part in liquidating the results of the Chernobyl accident. 
  • Transfer to Kiev. Return to Kiev around 06.00 p.m. 

This is an all-inclusive, English guided Chernobyl tour. It includes: Kiev pick-up and drop-off, Zone access pass and transportation, English guide, lunch.

http://stayinkiev.com/en/Chernobyl-Tour

 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:52 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Pripyat puts new meaning into "keep off the grass."

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:03 | Link to Comment Muir
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Thank you Natasha

or

from the same site 

http://stayinkiev.com/en/Night-Life-in-Kiev

 

Superlunary night clubs with the most beautiful and trendy people invite you to spend a flaming night. Our guides (most of them are girls and young women) will give you the best choices of night clubs without queues and problems with entrances. 

Kiev city has everything to suit everybody, from chic-yuppie bars, down to earth Irish pubs, cheap stag do clubs, exclusive casinos and modern night clubs. 

Kiev Nightlife guide - from 70$.

Try our Luxury Limousine night clubs tour! 
Limousine guided night club tour includes – Limousine rent (11.00 p.m. – 4 p.m.), drinks in limo, entrances to 5 best night clubs, translator and guide support.
Tour rates are under individual request.

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Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:05 | Link to Comment Muir
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Oh Natasha

You forgot the best part


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  • http://stayinkiev.com/images/marcer.gif); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; padding-left: 20px; margin-top: 4px; margin-right: 7px; margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 7px; background-position: 0px 2px; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;">On leaving the 10-km Zone participants undergo a radioactivity testing. 
  • http://stayinkiev.com/images/marcer.gif); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; padding-left: 20px; margin-top: 4px; margin-right: 7px; margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 7px; background-position: 0px 2px; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;">For the time of the Chernobyl tour personal dosimeters are allowed. 
  • http://stayinkiev.com/images/marcer.gif); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; padding-left: 20px; margin-top: 4px; margin-right: 7px; margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 7px; background-position: 0px 2px; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;">Taking pictures and shooting video during the excursion is permitted.
  • http://stayinkiev.com/images/marcer.gif); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; padding-left: 20px; margin-top: 4px; margin-right: 7px; margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 7px; background-position: 0px 2px; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;">Admission the Zone only by passports. DO NOT forget to take a passport with you. 
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  • http://stayinkiev.com/images/marcer.gif); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; padding-left: 20px; margin-top: 4px; margin-right: 7px; margin-bottom: 4px; margin-left: 7px; background-position: 0px 2px; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;">Shoes and clothes must be dense and well cover the body as a protection from radioactive dust.  

P.S. The level of radiation which you might get during the trip to Chernobyl equals to the level which you usually receive while a flight at a jet plane and even less then level of radiation while x-rays scanning at the hospital.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:29 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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TEPCO says (hours after first reported and they evacuated the Fukushima Daiichi complex) that all is well, all is well as it was a false reading caused by a $1.39 radiation detector they had bought from Walmart:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12875327

I repeat. TEPCO says all is well.

And you can count on TEPCO, their competence, integrity and reliability.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:50 | Link to Comment A Man without Q...
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The BBC website is becoming incredibly biased in its language, in my view.  This article is astonishing

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12860842

Reuters seems to be the best of the bunch in terms of balance

"Radiation in the water was a still worrying 100,000 times higher than normal, rather than 10 million times higher as originally stated, Muto said."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/27/us-japan-quake-idUSTRE72A0SS20...

 

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:58 | Link to Comment Kina
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My god, TEPCO are so pathetic as if we are going to keep falling for the same game each time.

Get the feeling they are gradually getting us to feel the cold water before throwing us all the way in.

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 12:45 | Link to Comment ummuhhh...
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I heard that they purchased the radiation detector at Harbor Freight Tools, and used a 20% off coupon!

they even wrote a review:

"works well, but only reads up to 1000 mS. looking for 10 Seivert meter."

Sun, 03/27/2011 - 11:27 | Link to Comment props2009
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hey tyler....correct the error. 

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