As Radiation Now 400 Times Normal 40 km From Fukushima, A Closer Look At The Three Most Dangerous Radioactive Isotopes

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Tue, 03/22/2011 - 08:37 | 1085368 HamyWanger
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DOW +3% today to celebrate this. 

 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 08:59 | 1085427 Harlequin001
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So what happens now then? Japan prints even more money, uses it to buy Western foods and rice etc and exports this glow-in-the-dark spinach to ...where?

The starving multitudes in ...?

That'll go down well...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:52 | 1085623 AnAnonymous
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So what happens now then? Japan prints even more money, uses it to buy Western foods and rice etc and exports this glow-in-the-dark spinach to ...where?

The starving multitudes in ...?

That'll go down well...

 

From food against resources to contaminated food against resources... A normal evolution in this US world driven economics.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:07 | 1085449 Gully Foyle
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For the time being only the far more inert and shorter half-life elements such as Xenon have been dispersed globally, while the more dangerous isotopes have been relatively localized, and their dispersion is limited to wind direction.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqVMU2yI9O4

Cesium Detected In Washington State
Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:59 | 1085653 Oh regional Indian
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Gully,

It's over dude. Just like Deepwater Horizon, this will be stonewalled with distractions and false press and denials. But every indicator points to the fact that this is the Tipping point event. Entombment, I think they are implying that as a cruel joke for everyperson.

Doomers, gloomers, everyone got it right. We have been careenign out of conntrol for a long time now. Greed, hubris, rage, inequity..... these are the defining qualities of the collective.

Truth....surely stranger than any fiction one could dream up eh?

it's in the air and in the water already.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/interesting-times-sweet-validations/ 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:41 | 1085576 jus_lite_reading
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HIP HIP! HORRAY! GREEN SHOOTS!

HOLY MOSES!!!!  Xenon gases almost circle the earth in a few days according to Norwegian scientists!

http://fiatsfire.blogspot.com/

Yee Haw! Happy gas for everyone! And more reasons to rally!!!!!

 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 08:36 | 1085369 prophet
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So where is RT with a "Has the Radiation Topped Out Yet" checklist and charts?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 08:39 | 1085373 cossack55
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Two 6.6 EQs and a 6.4 off Honshu are not even news anymore, sorry, I mean MSM news.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:22 | 1085496 ss123
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3 of the last 12 were over 6.0.

 

Are things starting to act up again?

 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 08:38 | 1085371 cossack55
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They forgot FRN-100,000,000,000,000,000.00

Totally deadly globally.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 08:38 | 1085374 bonddude
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And here on the left coast the car is still packed...w/food and water.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 08:55 | 1085414 johnQpublic
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maybe its time to start that car....

a friend of mine in produce out there told me yesterday that broccoli,califlower and blueberries are showing radiation at higher than normal levels

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:00 | 1085430 strenue
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Where?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:07 | 1085453 Gully Foyle
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strenue

"Where?"

 

In broccoli,califlower and blueberries.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:35 | 1085547 Alienated Serf
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the females in my office are currently discussing dancing with the stars.  in detail.  i want to eat a cesium 137 sandwhich right about now.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:38 | 1085556 TruthInSunshine
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I would get up on my desk, fashion a noose, and hang my fucking self.

How do you put up with that shit?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:38 | 1085569 ColonelCooper
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Thank God I work in an industry where I can still hit the people who work for me. 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:41 | 1085586 Alienated Serf
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i wouldn't exactly say i put up with it.  they are outside my office door blabbing, not discussing with me.  i have fully informed them that they will drown in their own ignorance.  the best part is, they fully admit it is active denial.  "with all the bad stuff going on in the world, i just want to turn my brain off and be distracted."

this is what we are dealing with folks. 

there will be no pity from me when TSHTF

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:14 | 1085698 Oh regional Indian
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one day, when I was feeling really brave, I posted a link to an article on my blog (about world events) on a blog called Corporette.com. It's about fashion for corporettes.

The responses were hilarious and chilling in equal measure.

ORI

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:58 | 1085866 Deepskyy
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ORI, do you have any highlights saved?  I'm sure we here at ZH could use the laugh considering the past 2 weeks.

 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:54 | 1086547 Oh regional Indian
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Deep, they came on my Disqus account or were on their blog itself, so I did not keep.

Perhaps, just to see how much, if at all the world has changed int eh past two months, I'dd repost there and share the results here. Truth be told, I don't expect much of a change.

oh my god, who let this creature in? It looks like English, but.....

like that.

ORI

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:05 | 1086606 Rula Lenska
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Deepskyy:

You do grasp, I hope, the irony of your statement.  Go ahead and re-read it; I'll wait.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 19:31 | 1087839 AndyR
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+1 for priceless irony

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:42 | 1085584 fuu
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In my office this morning they are talking about how good the current crop of American Idlers are and how hard it will be to wait to find out the winner.

 

They asked who my favorite was and I said Reactor 3.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:45 | 1085598 Alienated Serf
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We shouldn't be surprised anymore should we?  Humanity has always been like this. Bread and Circus is all most will ever know or care about...

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:50 | 1085609 strenue
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Hey different strokes for different folks. While they're 'Dancing with the Stars' we're 'Dancing with the Disasters'.

 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:59 | 1085647 Alienated Serf
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damn you and your reasonableness!!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:01 | 1085654 Alienated Serf
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damn you and your reasonableness!!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:22 | 1085978 cbxer55
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fuu

LOL!!  Did they look at you cross-eyed after that one?

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:32 | 1086047 freedmon
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+3!

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 14:05 | 1086588 Rula Lenska
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Gully:

"cali"flower....funny.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 08:43 | 1085378 Zina
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I see a level of confusion here about the difference between "abnormal" and "harmful".

The "normal" level of radiation means the background radiation everyone is exposed to, at any place, at any time. Yes, we all are exposed to radiation, at any place, at any time.

The fact that the level of radiation is "abnormal", meaning it's above the normal background level, doesn't necessarily means that it's at a harmful level.

Take an example different from radiation: magnetic fields. The normal magnetic field we all are exposed all the time is a very tiny magnetic field. If we start to play with some strong neodymium magnets, the level of the magnetic field we will be exposed is thousands of times higher than the normal magnetic field we are exposed in the everyday life. But there are no reports that playing with neodymium magnets is harmful to the human health. A magnetic field thousands of times stronger than the "normal" is not harmful to our health.

Please note that I'm not saying that radiation 400 times above the background level is not harmful. I can't tell if it is harmful or not, because I'm not a specialist.

What I'm trying to say is: the fact the level of radiation is 20, 50, or 100 times above the normal background level of everyday life doesn't necessarily means it's in a harmful level. I simply can't tell you what is the level when it becomes harmful to human health, because I simply don't know.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 08:46 | 1085390 bonddude
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Just one cesium cloud will ruin your whole day. Thanks to ZH for easy access to the info.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:54 | 1085621 MSimon
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Just one cesium cloud will ruin your whole day.

 

Those things are really heavy. And they don't have to fall from far to really hurt you.

 

Dose my man. Dose. A little arsenic is good for you.  A lot is not.

 

Radiation hormesis.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 08:45 | 1085394 prophet
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I think this article clearly delineates what is background normal, what is abnormal, and what is harmful.  Best and most balanced yet. 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 08:54 | 1085418 Harlequin001
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'I can't tell if it is harmful or not, because I'm not a specialist.' Should we wait till our hair falls out and our teeth start to glow in the dark before we complain?

As a life form I am the result of two billion years of evolution albeit with constant exposure to nominal background radiation and magnetism. I did not evolve to live in this irradiated bullshit no matter who or what says it is 'safe'. It is not normal, I have not evolved to tolerate it and I am not happy with my inability to avoid it.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:10 | 1085460 Gully Foyle
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Zina

Which is the level of either radiation or magnetism which results in two Kirks? (Shatner turns 80 today)

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:36 | 1085554 ColonelCooper
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The Japanese and American governments in an effort to downplay this from the outse,t have simply lost credibility with anyone who pays attention beyond Katie Couric.  We have gone from nothing to worry about, the radiation will never get here, to it's here but not harmful, to it's in the food but don't worry about it. Next up: Don't worry about that giant tittie growing on your forehead. 

As the situation escalates daily, the governmental and MSM efforts to downplay this have increased proportionately.  I am not sitting here in a positive pressure suit, crunching KI tablets by the handful while I write this; far from it.  What I want however, is for somebody besides alternative "moonbat" media to simply ACKNOWLEDGE the fact that my spinach isn't supposed to be radioactive.  You can't go out of your way to panic me in your headlines, with counts 1000x normal (whatever the Hell that is), and radiation in the drinking water etc.. and then put your chief medical correspondant on camera to tell me not to worry, and maintain any credibility.

I really don't think most people are all that worried.  They are just being purposefully misled, and kept in the dark.  They are confused. 

This whole thing is an epic failure, on every level, from its start to whenever it finishes.

 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:54 | 1085625 taraxias
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excellent post

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:56 | 1085637 MSimon
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The situation is serious in Japan. For the rest of the world? Not so much.

 

You can make up for the added risk (in the rest of the world) by being extra careful crossing the street.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 09:59 | 1085656 ColonelCooper
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I don't disagree with you.  But I am disagreeable with the way this is being handled.  Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining, and I won't assume everything you tell me is a lie.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 10:57 | 1085861 MSimon
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The people of Japan are screwed. No doubt. But in the US? No serious worries. If one of our nukes go up - then I'll worry. But Japan is a long ways away. Distance dilutes. Even a plume.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:30 | 1086040 ColonelCooper
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You seem to be either missing the point, or you work for the FOX Medical A Team.  We aren't worrying about the earlier referenced "tittie on the forehead". 

What I am complaining about is that as the situation has deteriorated, the MSM has doubled down, and the more radiation released in Japan, the safer it is.  Give this shit another week, and CNN will be downloading Ann Coulter's "Radiation is Good for You" column into their teleprompters.

If I put two bowls of spinach in front of you, told you the one on the left was truly organic, and the one on the right had been dusted with a "safe" level of radioactive iodine, can you look me in the eye and tell me you'd pick the one on the right? 

When I watch some stupid bitch on the news say that she'd be happy to eat that spinach, I think, "Go ahead.  Toss a salad." (pun intended)  I on the other hand am firmly planted in the camp that radiation on vegetables is bad.

I'm not panicked.  I'm pissed. And when I'm pissed, being lied to only exascerbates said pissed. Do you understand the difference?

 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:53 | 1086545 ColonelCooper
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I'm not the one junking you, BTW.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:10 | 1085931 Life of Illusion
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How about this one...

WTF,,,It will not harm human health,,,,but but but ,,a aircraft carrier could get destroyed! UNreal

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-22/u-s-aircraft-carrier-leaves-japan-port-of-yokosuka-as-precautionary-step.html

“Moving the USS George Washington is a precaution given the capabilities of the vessel and the complex nature of the disaster,” the 7th Fleet said in a press release. “The forward deployed carrier is scheduled to remain in the local waters off Japan.”

snip

“We’ve seen nothing that rises to the level that would be harmful to human health,” Commander Jeff Davis, a

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 11:33 | 1086063 ColonelCooper
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Thank you for helping to drive it home.  If you won't tell me a number at the plant, all of the reported numbers surrounding the plant are ridiculously on the low side of normal, AND you are repositioning fucking aircraft carriers the sparks start flying from my newly fashioned lead helmet.

 

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 13:31 | 1086458 Unlawful Justice
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Pay attention to what they do not what they say.  This is an exponential crisis that looks to be in free fall.   FrankenBenny can't QE his way out of this one.  Has Reality crossed the threshold of human Narcissism?  Radiation can't be spun with doublespeak to go away with a 30 year half life.  As the gravity of this becomes ever increasing, expect denial to increase right along with it.  Excuse me wile I go puke.

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 12:23 | 1086226 KevinB
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The following article in Canada's National Post addresses this issue:

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/03/21/lawrence-solomon-reactor-vic...

For those too lazy to click the link, long term studies of survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki show that those who were exposed to moderate amounts of radiation in those events, which were orders of magnitude larger than the current exposure, actually lived longer than those who were not exposed at all. In some cases, there were slightly higher incidences of cancer, but there was much lower chance of cardiac disease and other mortality causes. 

The knee-jerk assumption that ANY exposure to higher levels of radiation is necessarily bad is, at the very least, cast into doubt by this very large study (over 80,000 survivors surveyed twice a year, yielding over 2.5 million data points).

People who junked Zina should at least examine the facts before leaping to conclusions.

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