Radiation Reaches California

Tyler Durden's picture

After travelling in the first class confines of the Gulf/Jetstream for the past 3 days, the Fukushima radiation has finally reached California. This happens just as The Hill reports Obama has oredered a full review of all US nuclear power plants. Look for the nuclear pair trade to become all the rage in the next week.

From Reuters:

Very low concentrations of radioactive particles believed to have come from Japan's Fukushima nuclear power plant have been detected on the U.S. west coast, diplomatic sources said on Friday.

The level of radiation was far too low to cause any harm to humans, they said.

One diplomat, citing information from a network of international monitoring stations, described the material as "ever so slight" and consisting of only a few particles.

"It is very low level," another source in Vienna said.

Until it isn't. Any since when are diplomats nuclear power experts?

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Spitzer's picture

Anti nuclear bullshit

velobabe's picture

He said none of the interventions would be in English, as it would be unlawful to "address US audiences" with such technology, and any English-language use of social media by Centcom was always clearly attributed. The languages in which the interventions are conducted include Arabic, Farsi, Urdu and Pashto.

i am unfamiliar with these last three languages. probably aren't romance ones, just sayin.....

desperation row†

pan-the-ist's picture

That makes me feel better.  They would never lie to us.

DaveyJones's picture

how do I know you're not them telling me sarcastically they would never lie. Shit I'm confused, it's working.

Judge Judy Scheinlok's picture

I wonder if any other websites use 'sock puppet' to create identities? What do you think Davey?

MsCreant's picture

I always thought Judge Judy had something stuck up her ass.

Judge Judy Scheinlok's picture

Oh it's on now! Cat Fight Club coming to a blog near you!

chumbawamba's picture

Now, ladies.  Don't get into it until the jello pool has been filled up.

I am Chumbawamba.

TomJoad's picture

"Are you a Sock Puppet?"

"No, I am a Meat Popsicle."

 

 

Jump! You Bankster Fuckers! 

mophead's picture

I said it would reach California first. And what did I get? Flagged as junk.

rcmullins's picture

You know the old quote. "Sure the government wants to help, just ask any American Indian."

Fenlander's picture

Frankly, I'm be more surprised that it has not gone on before as a matter of routine.  I'm puzzled as to why they need such a sophisticated software programme though.  Just get 50 contractors to do it.

Backspin's picture

Right.  It said that one person could control up to 10 online identities.  Why do you need software for that.  Heck, I control 10 online identies just right here on ZH.  Just kidding, of course - I really don't - but the point is that I could, and it wouldn't be that hard.

Bicycle Repairman's picture

One boiler room filled with the marginally employed is enough.  Companies employ them to patrol stock boards.  Yeah, it's going on.

ebworthen's picture

 

Next the Supreme court will grant the sock puppets habeus corpus, property rights, and allow them to contribute to politcal campaigns.

 

Backspin's picture

And they will receive health care and other entitlements.

And bailouts.

Matte_Black's picture

I demand collective bargaining rights for the sock puppets!!!!!!!!

naughtius maximus's picture

For public employee sock puppets, never comrade!

Salvatore CFA's picture

Hurrumph. Now, no one will friend me.

Bicycle Repairman's picture

This issue, GOM and peak oil brings out all the sock puppets. 

herewego...'s picture

+1

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/18/fukushima_friday/

Occasional brief readings of slightly heightened radiation – occasionally reported in scaremongering fashion as "10x normal" – have been detected as far afield as the outskirts of Tokyo, but these are insignificant in a health context. Even if they persisted unbroken for a year, local dosages at such a level would be no more than powerplant workers are allowed in normal times: and nuclear powerplant workers' cancer rate is actually lower than in the general population. Measurable blips in background radiation may be detectable around the world in coming weeks, and will no doubt be heavily reported on, but they will be more insignificant still....

The renowned US nuclear engineer Ted Rockwell, who quite literally wrote the book on reactor safety, has harsh words for this position. He writes:

[Consider] the Three Mile Island (TMI) incident, where 10 to 20 tons of the nuclear reactor melted down, slumped to the bottom of the reactor vessel, and initiated the dreaded China Syndrome, where the reactor core melts and burns its way into the earth ... In the real world, the molten mass froze when it hit the colder reactor vessel, and stopped its downward journey at five-eights of an inch through the five-inch thick vessel wall.

And there was no harm to people or the environment. None.

Yet in Japan, you have radiation zealots threatening to order people out of their homes, to wander, homeless and panic-stricken, through the battered countryside, to do what? All to avoid a radiation dose lower than what they would get from a ski trip.

Marc45's picture

You can be totally against nuclear power plants and still remain rationally attached to the facts.  The facts, just ask any scientist, are that the radiation detected halfway across the globe from Fukushima is much much less than many common sources of radiation.  If you want to really lower your nuclear radiation expose then stay out of the sun, don't fly commercial airlines and postpone that CT scan.

Then again, who wants to deprive the masses of a new fun source of hysteria.

Augustus's picture

What would be more helpful in putting this increase in radiation into context would be to remind people of the several hundred nuclear BOMBS intentionally detonated in Nevada.  That is quite a few thousand miles closer than Japan and many of those were full release of all particles generated.

Now consider, is there a vast uninhabitable waste land between Nevada and the Atlantic coast.  Was that full exposure harmful enough to damage people hundreds of miles away?  Or is it the now known and recognized cause for the full blown nut cases writing all of the scaremongering material. 

Let Geo Wash answer for himself.

FilthyLucre's picture

Is the inventory of Cs137, Sr90, I131 and other such nucleotides comparable between the fallout of bombs and that found in spent fuel rods?

Does Xenon 137 have a half life of 3.9 minutes, thus rendering it safe in next to no time?

Or does it decay to Caesium 137 a gamma emitter with a half life of ~30 years that is easily metabolised?

Disinformation is such a slippery subject.

 

mkkby's picture

This is BS.  If you breathe or ingest radioactive particles that have a long half life, you will very likely die and/or get cancer.  That is because it is giving your insides a constant dose over a long period of time (lifetime). 

It's true that being exposed at a distance is trivial, but that is intentionally misleading.  People will die.  No doubt about it.  The question is "how many".

Pico's picture

+1

this uncommon source of radiation is  "much much less than many common sources of radiation."

Now let me see: which many of these http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logicalfallacies.aspx  does that fall under...

 

Sean7k's picture

The Scandinavian countries have been recommending a daily dose of iodine since the late 1950's because of all the radiation from above ground testing. That radiation continues to circle the globe and effects anyone whom is iodine deficient. 

The US government has chosen to be silent on the topic- big surprise. 

If you are only worried now, you are 50 years behind the curve.

ShatteredArm's picture

The side effects from a daily iodine dosage are far worse than you're liable to receive from any radioactive iodine.  If the Scandinavian countries have been recommending a daily dose of iodine (which I doubt), they're idiots.

Sean7k's picture

There are no side effects from kelp, the preferred method of delivery. You're the idiot. There is a recommended dosage that is safe. Further, if you are deficient in iodine, your body will take on the radioactive iodine. I suppose you would rather trust the same scientists that say flouride is safe as well. Moron.

 

ShatteredArm's picture

You have to eat 3-5 grams of kelp to absorb 100-150 micrograms of KI.  To get to the recommended 130 mg/day of KI needed to protect your thyroid in a nuclear accident, you would then need to eat roughly 3-5 kg of kelp per day.  Yeah, have fun with that.

Sean7k's picture

Which is why kelp is so safe. Also depends on the type of kelps you use. An herbalist can help you there.  The amount of radiation in a nuclear accident is not back pattern radiation. Nice try at a cherry pick a number there. 

Dr_Dazed's picture

I wouldn't go throwing the word moron around so easily if I were you.  Your use of the word "dose" strongly suggests a therapeutic supplement to normal intake.  It's really more accurate to have said something along the lines of "recommended daily amount" as in the FDA suggestions for various vitamins and minerals - idiot.

Sean7k's picture

Anyone that pays attention to or gives credence to the FDA is an idiot- idiot.

destiny's picture
Obama could kill fossil fuels overnight with a nuclear dash for thorium

6:55PM BST 29 Aug 2010

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We could then stop arguing about wind mills, deepwater drilling, IPCC hockey sticks, or strategic reliance on the Kremlin. History will move on fast.

Muddling on with the status quo is not a grown-up policy. The International Energy Agency says the world must invest $26 trillion (£16.7 trillion) over the next 20 years to avert an energy shock. The scramble for scarce fuel is already leading to friction between China, India, and the West.

There is no certain bet in nuclear physics but work by Nobel laureate Carlo Rubbia at CERN (European Organization for Nuclear Research) on the use of thorium as a cheap, clean and safe alternative to uranium in reactors may be the magic bullet we have all been hoping for, though we have barely begun to crack the potential of solar power.

Dr Rubbia says a tonne of the silvery metal – named after the Norse god of thunder, who also gave us Thor’s day or Thursday - produces as much energy as 200 tonnes of uranium, or 3,500,000 tonnes of coal. A mere fistful would light London for a week.

Thorium burns the plutonium residue left by uranium reactors, acting as an eco-cleaner. "It’s the Big One," said Kirk Sorensen, a former NASA rocket engineer and now chief nuclear technologist at Teledyne Brown Engineering.

Related Articles

"Once you start looking more closely, it blows your mind away. You can run civilisation on thorium for hundreds of thousands of years, and it’s essentially free. You don’t have to deal with uranium cartels," he said.

Thorium is so common that miners treat it as a nuisance, a radioactive by-product if they try to dig up rare earth metals. The US and Australia are full of the stuff. So are the granite rocks of Cornwall. You do not need much: all is potentially usable as fuel, compared to just 0.7pc for uranium.

After the Manhattan Project, US physicists in the late 1940s were tempted by thorium for use in civil reactors. It has a higher neutron yield per neutron absorbed. It does not require isotope separation, a big cost saving. But by then America needed the plutonium residue from uranium to build bombs.

"They were really going after the weapons," said Professor Egil Lillestol, a world authority on the thorium fuel-cycle at CERN. "It is almost impossible make nuclear weapons out of thorium because it is too difficult to handle. It wouldn’t be worth trying." It emits too many high gamma rays.

You might have thought that thorium reactors were the answer to every dream but when CERN went to the European Commission for development funds in 1999-2000, they were rebuffed.

Brussels turned to its technical experts, who happened to be French because the French dominate the EU’s nuclear industry. "They didn’t want competition because they had made a huge investment in the old technology," he said.

Another decade was lost. It was a sad triumph of vested interests over scientific progress. "We have very little time to waste because the world is running out of fossil fuels. Renewables can’t replace them. Nuclear fusion is not going work for a century, if ever," he said.

The Norwegian group Aker Solutions has bought Dr Rubbia’s patent for an accelerator-driven sub-critical reactor, and is working on his design for a thorium version at its UK operation.

Victoria Ashley, the project manager, said it could lead to a network of pint-sized 600MW reactors that are lodged underground, can supply small grids, and do not require a safety citadel. It will take £2bn to build the first one, and Aker needs £100mn for the next test phase.

The UK has shown little appetite for what it regards as a "huge paradigm shift to a new technology". Too much work and sunk cost has already gone into the next generation of reactors, which have another 60 years of life.

So Aker is looking for tie-ups with countries such as the US, Russia, or China. The Indians have their own projects - none yet built - dating from days when they switched to thorium because their weapons programme prompted a uranium ban.

America should have fewer inhibitions than Europe in creating a leapfrog technology. The US allowed its nuclear industry to stagnate after Three Mile Island in 1979.

Anti-nuclear neorosis is at last ebbing. The White House has approved $8bn in loan guarantees for new reactors, yet America has been strangely passive. Where is the superb confidence that put a man on the moon?

A few US pioneers are exploring a truly radical shift to a liquid fuel based on molten-fluoride salts, an idea once pursued by US physicist Alvin Weinberg at Oak Ridge National Lab in Tennessee in the 1960s. The original documents were retrieved by Mr Sorensen.

Moving away from solid fuel may overcome some of thorium’s "idiosyncracies". "You have to use the right machine. You don’t use diesel in a petrol car: you build a diesel engine," said Mr Sorensen.

Thorium-fluoride reactors can operate at atmospheric temperature. "The plants would be much smaller and less expensive. You wouldn’t need those huge containment domes because there’s no pressurized water in the reactor. It’s close-fitting," he said.

Nuclear power could become routine and unthreatening. But first there is the barrier of establishment prejudice.

When Hungarian scientists led by Leo Szilard tried to alert Washington in late 1939 that the Nazis were working on an atomic bomb, they were brushed off with disbelief. Albert Einstein interceded through the Belgian queen mother, eventually getting a personal envoy into the Oval Office.

Roosevelt initially fobbed him off. He listened more closely at a second meeting over breakfast the next day, then made up his mind within minutes. "This needs action," he told his military aide. It was the birth of the Manhattan Project. As a result, the US had an atomic weapon early enough to deter Stalin from going too far in Europe.

The global energy crunch needs equal "action". If it works, Manhattan II could restore American optimism and strategic leadership at a stroke: if not, it is a boost for US science and surely a more fruitful way to pull the US out of perma-slump than scattershot stimulus.

Even better, team up with China and do it together, for all our sakes

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/7970619/Obama-could-kill-fossil-fuels-overnight-with-a-nuclear-dash-for-thorium.html

destiny's picture
Obama could kill fossil fuels overnight with a nuclear dash for thorium

6:55PM BST 29 Aug 2010

Comments

We could then stop arguing about wind mills, deepwater drilling, IPCC hockey sticks, or strategic reliance on the Kremlin. History will move on fast.

Muddling on with the status quo is not a grown-up policy. The International Energy Agency says the world must invest $26 trillion (£16.7 trillion) over the next 20 years to avert an energy shock. The scramble for scarce fuel is already leading to friction between China, India, and the West.

There is no certain bet in nuclear physics but work by Nobel laureate Carlo Rubbia at CERN (European Organization for Nuclear Research) on the use of thorium as a cheap, clean and safe alternative to uranium in reactors may be the magic bullet we have all been hoping for, though we have barely begun to crack the potential of solar power.

Dr Rubbia says a tonne of the silvery metal – named after the Norse god of thunder, who also gave us Thor’s day or Thursday - produces as much energy as 200 tonnes of uranium, or 3,500,000 tonnes of coal. A mere fistful would light London for a week.

Thorium burns the plutonium residue left by uranium reactors, acting as an eco-cleaner. "It’s the Big One," said Kirk Sorensen, a former NASA rocket engineer and now chief nuclear technologist at Teledyne Brown Engineering.

Related Articles

"Once you start looking more closely, it blows your mind away. You can run civilisation on thorium for hundreds of thousands of years, and it’s essentially free. You don’t have to deal with uranium cartels," he said.

Thorium is so common that miners treat it as a nuisance, a radioactive by-product if they try to dig up rare earth metals. The US and Australia are full of the stuff. So are the granite rocks of Cornwall. You do not need much: all is potentially usable as fuel, compared to just 0.7pc for uranium.

After the Manhattan Project, US physicists in the late 1940s were tempted by thorium for use in civil reactors. It has a higher neutron yield per neutron absorbed. It does not require isotope separation, a big cost saving. But by then America needed the plutonium residue from uranium to build bombs.

"They were really going after the weapons," said Professor Egil Lillestol, a world authority on the thorium fuel-cycle at CERN. "It is almost impossible make nuclear weapons out of thorium because it is too difficult to handle. It wouldn’t be worth trying." It emits too many high gamma rays.

You might have thought that thorium reactors were the answer to every dream but when CERN went to the European Commission for development funds in 1999-2000, they were rebuffed.

Brussels turned to its technical experts, who happened to be French because the French dominate the EU’s nuclear industry. "They didn’t want competition because they had made a huge investment in the old technology," he said.

Another decade was lost. It was a sad triumph of vested interests over scientific progress. "We have very little time to waste because the world is running out of fossil fuels. Renewables can’t replace them. Nuclear fusion is not going work for a century, if ever," he said.

The Norwegian group Aker Solutions has bought Dr Rubbia’s patent for an accelerator-driven sub-critical reactor, and is working on his design for a thorium version at its UK operation.

Victoria Ashley, the project manager, said it could lead to a network of pint-sized 600MW reactors that are lodged underground, can supply small grids, and do not require a safety citadel. It will take £2bn to build the first one, and Aker needs £100mn for the next test phase.

The UK has shown little appetite for what it regards as a "huge paradigm shift to a new technology". Too much work and sunk cost has already gone into the next generation of reactors, which have another 60 years of life.

So Aker is looking for tie-ups with countries such as the US, Russia, or China. The Indians have their own projects - none yet built - dating from days when they switched to thorium because their weapons programme prompted a uranium ban.

America should have fewer inhibitions than Europe in creating a leapfrog technology. The US allowed its nuclear industry to stagnate after Three Mile Island in 1979.

Anti-nuclear neorosis is at last ebbing. The White House has approved $8bn in loan guarantees for new reactors, yet America has been strangely passive. Where is the superb confidence that put a man on the moon?

A few US pioneers are exploring a truly radical shift to a liquid fuel based on molten-fluoride salts, an idea once pursued by US physicist Alvin Weinberg at Oak Ridge National Lab in Tennessee in the 1960s. The original documents were retrieved by Mr Sorensen.

Moving away from solid fuel may overcome some of thorium’s "idiosyncracies". "You have to use the right machine. You don’t use diesel in a petrol car: you build a diesel engine," said Mr Sorensen.

Thorium-fluoride reactors can operate at atmospheric temperature. "The plants would be much smaller and less expensive. You wouldn’t need those huge containment domes because there’s no pressurized water in the reactor. It’s close-fitting," he said.

Nuclear power could become routine and unthreatening. But first there is the barrier of establishment prejudice.

When Hungarian scientists led by Leo Szilard tried to alert Washington in late 1939 that the Nazis were working on an atomic bomb, they were brushed off with disbelief. Albert Einstein interceded through the Belgian queen mother, eventually getting a personal envoy into the Oval Office.

Roosevelt initially fobbed him off. He listened more closely at a second meeting over breakfast the next day, then made up his mind within minutes. "This needs action," he told his military aide. It was the birth of the Manhattan Project. As a result, the US had an atomic weapon early enough to deter Stalin from going too far in Europe.

The global energy crunch needs equal "action". If it works, Manhattan II could restore American optimism and strategic leadership at a stroke: if not, it is a boost for US science and surely a more fruitful way to pull the US out of perma-slump than scattershot stimulus.

Even better, team up with China and do it together, for all our sakes

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/7970619/Obama-could-kill-fossil-fuels-overnight-with-a-nuclear-dash-for-thorium.html

Scottj88's picture

Anyone buying the west coast earthquake in the next week?

malikai's picture

I'm short continguous west coast earthquake and long Alaskan west coast quake.

serotonindumptruck's picture

The Cascadia Subduction zone seems to be the best candidate for a 'super-quake' and massive tsunami. Too bad about all that expensive real estate in British Columbia and coastal communities along the Washington/Oregon coast. That might just cause some more destructive volcanic activity in the Cascades as well. Hey all you Hanford Nuclear Reservation peeps! Are you listening?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_subduction_zone

 

Judge Judy Scheinlok's picture

HAARP uses large amounts of energy when it is in high gear.

It produces much of it's own using natgas generators, plus sucks juice from the local grid.

Can anyone get their hands on the utility bills for this monster?

jerry_theking_lawler's picture

i'm sure someone could get a FOIA for the testing agencies utility bills (nat gas and electricity). then you could pinpoint what they were doing at the times in question. does anyone know what agency is responsible and how to fill out a FOIA?

Ident 7777 economy's picture

Save the time and 'energy' on an FOIA ... here's how 'the monster' is powered - diesel-fuel feeds the beast!!!

http://www.lloydritchey.com/haarp.htm

 

From the official HAARP website: http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/factSheet.html

Electric prime power is provided from an on-site power plant housing five, 2500 kW generators, each driven by a 3600 hp diesel engine. Four generators are required for operation of the IRI and the fifth is held as a spare. 

 

From Infowars (ignominious in stature) sez: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=174614.10;wap2

Six 2.5 MW diesel generators were acquired under the previous, OTH-B program that was to have used the current HAARP site in the 1980s. When that program was cancelled, the generators were transferred to HAARP and are being held in storage. 

 

For comparison, a single 2.5 MW generator will power 30 - 75 homes depending on conditions ...

 

So, following up, find the dealer that made the last delivery to the H. site and inquire on the amount, the # of gallons delivered ...

 

chumbawamba's picture

You guys have fun with that.

I am Chumbawamba.