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Radiation Reaches California
After travelling in the first class confines of the Gulf/Jetstream for the past 3 days, the Fukushima radiation has finally reached California. This happens just as The Hill reports Obama has oredered a full review of all US nuclear power plants. Look for the nuclear pair trade to become all the rage in the next week.
From Reuters:
Very low concentrations of radioactive particles believed to have come from Japan's Fukushima nuclear power plant have been detected on the U.S. west coast, diplomatic sources said on Friday.
The level of radiation was far too low to cause any harm to humans, they said.
One diplomat, citing information from a network of international monitoring stations, described the material as "ever so slight" and consisting of only a few particles.
"It is very low level," another source in Vienna said.
Until it isn't. Any since when are diplomats nuclear power experts?
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This is quite inflammatory and false.
First off, everyone on earth has at least some minute amount of plutonium in them, most likely breathed in. This is due to unburned plutonium from atmospheric nuclear testing, RORSAT/Cosmos reactor reentry/burnup at high altitudes, and of course from Chernobyl.
In all of these events plutonium was spread through either high altitudes over the whole of the earth(RORSAT), or stratospheric altitudes from large thermonuclear weapons tests, or from small nuclear tests affecting the troposphere.
This whole deal of people freaking out about MOX is rediculous as well. If you're going to freak out, at least freak out about something you know something about.
taking your advice
will freakout over NFL lockout instead....gotta have priorities man...
I'm freaking out over what to wear on the day of William and Kate's wedding. I can't let myself wear a different color shoes than William! I know, its over a month away, but you can never be too prepared.
Attacking one minor part of what I said and then characterizing the whole post as false? Typical troll tactic. Enjoy your fashion panic. Fuck off.
Yup, everyone who disagrees with you is a troll. You are also great at identifying sarcasm. This must stem from your excellent understanding of science/nuclear physics in general and your lack of watching TV.
I tried to explain some gravitating facts to you. Perhaps you will go back and reread it with a bit less unwarranted self-importance. If not, that's cool. Hopefully others will read it and do some actual research on the subject before going mental.
Stop it with your "facts." They are very offensive to the tin foil hat crowd.
Apparently, as my junk rating soars whenever I speak against the tide. C'est la vie.
I unfortunately agree with your assesment.
Looks like I picked a good day to find religion.
Barry will be watching "Blame it on Rio" on the trip down, with Reggie Love taking notes.
SPX
Got KI?
http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/99er-charts-0
Just a thought. With the proclomations from official channels getting greeted with a lot of skepticism, those of you in California and the West Coast in general who are close to a university or hospital with a lab that can do radiation detection and counting (ask if they have a HPGe or NaI detector), you could set up a local program to take swipes at consistent places over the coming weeks and have your local facilities do long counts on them to provide a baseline and catch any spikes in rad levels. This way you don't have to worry about a federal filter.
A testing program like this would need to be done consistently, but it could be done cheaply and if set up and executed properly could give some great information not just on rad levels but on the specific isotopes in the mix. Like chemicals, not all rad materials are equally dangerous.
A local program might look something like this:
1. Contact a hospital with a nuclear medicine department or contact a university with a radiation lab.
2. Propose a swipe-taking program. They'll have Health Physicists who should be able to give advice on this.
3. Consistently take swipes from the same locations and have them counted.
4. Publish the data for all to see.
5. With data you can trust, you can then make a determination if these levels are problematic or whether they fall way behind other health-affecting factors like smoking, drinking, air pollution, etc. Having a baseline of data will be crucial to making rational decisions.
Just a thought...
Outstanding suggestions. I found this website last night. It may be similar to what you are recommending.
http://www.radiationnetwork.com/
It is similar. I'm not sure just how consistent the methodology is for the radiation network site, but I absolutely love the idea. The more data (pardon me, the more good, valid data) out there, the better.
National Intelligence Council
"Geopolitics of Energy in 2015"
http://www.dni.gov/nic/NIC_globaltrend2015.html
What book did this passage come from?
Since this has gone unanswered.
The End of Oil by Paul Roberts.
sell on the news, not the rumour.
New strategy: Buy the rumor, buy the news, and oh ya BTFD.
I was planning on putting in a big garden this year too...
Should I ?
Yea dude. Do not let this get you down. Let it grow, and hide it in between the corn stalks.
http://www.maryjanesgarden.com
Just make sure they have already hit the field with the second dose of Roundup before planting ;)
Why not?? You can make a helluva lot of salsa with 20 pound tomatoes.
What's the worry, all your grocery store fruit and veggies are irradiated plenty before you buy them. Now you're getting that service at home ; )
We're so bullish we WELcome nuclear fallout. Get that? We want it.
First of all, nuclear fallout components begin to address the rare earth shrotage. And like a gift from God (or Godzilla, in this case) we are getting rare earths falling out of the sky and directly into our laps! And even the prospect of nuclear castration is bullish because US manufacturers will be first to market with steal jock straps and pelvic belts. It's a win-win-win-win-win!
+1...lol
A+..."Bring It On"....we'll make lemonade out of these few lemons....what doesn't kill me makes me stronger....iron isn't steel 'til it passes through the flame...the Street likes to climb a wall of worry - the bigger the wall, the higher the climb as evidenced by today's action...now that the government has finally got HAARP working, there should be no end of these disasters...creating an infinite supply of walls needing climbing.
Sweet!
That must explain the massive run up in the REITs again today!
CRE is worth more when irradiated with poison. I'm going long IYR with calls right now!
Opex.
Going for a nap in my safe.
Bring an extra pair of reading glasses. Trust me on this.
I presume they are talking about the detectors which can sniff out an underground nuclear test from half the world away...
As a aside, if I hear one more person stating that the plant is going to blow up like a nuclear bomb I'm going to scream.
The plant did blow up like a nuclear bomb.
not even remotely close.
why are you still speaking?
Why are you still living?
...and yes it did.
By the way bud, what are the radiation levels outside of the plant?
I offered TEPCO the use of my geiger, since apparently they don't have one anywhere in the area, but they haven't responded. I also offered to send some batteries to the Onagawa plant. Apparently ALL batteries were washed away in the tsunami, but I haven't heard anything back on that either.
I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure if it was that bad, the USS Reagan would have measured it, and let us all know. Right?
*sadpanda*
On the off chance someone reading is actually taking this seriously. No the plant did not blow up like a nuclear bomb, if it had done the current state of the buildings would have been considered mere cosmetic damage by comparison.
In any case, if it was merely like a nuclear bomb blowing up then it would be nothing for us to worry about. We've done it plenty of times with mostly only local effect! Right?
Yes, it did.
That explosion was not caused by hydrogen.
And no, this is not like a nuclear bomb the radiation is far higher
all I know is that the explosion at no. 3 had a mushroom cloud like look to it. Big puff of debris out to the side at the base, a column of upward blasting force in the middle, and rounded head (ok, half rounded) at the top.
is there any significance (for purposes of drawing conclusion) from the appearance of the explosion?
Many things which go bang (or otherwise generate a convection plume) have a mushroom like shape.
Movie of someone's home made fuel air explosive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9xCgNdZPKk
Graphic model of a convection plume in the earth's mantle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPoedSo0D0U
No, a mushroom cloud is actually characteristic of any large explosion. the GBU-43/B"MOAB" bomb (which is large, but non-nuclear) creates them. Under the right conditions even very small exposions can create a small mushroom cloud.
new site video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXGAPiEFkxM
Yeah, all you have to do to get a nuclear explosion is to bang the rocks together guys!
Well, actually given the right "rocks" that is indeed all you need to do...
Fortunately those "rocks" are not what we use in nuclear plants for obvious reasons. For "Weapons Grade" (the stuff that goes boom) you need to get to around 70-90% Uranium 235, the low enriched stuff in nuclear reactors is around 3 to 5%. The proportion of Plutonium is around 7% and even that 7% mostly consists of isotopes not prone to going boom.
There is a reason why Iran is going through all the trouble of enriching their Uranium, the stuff they got shipped to run their reactors just won't cut it for a bang.
Guess what MOX is?
Weapons grade plutonium from decommisioned nuclear weapons...
Guess what else? Hydrogen combustion dont emit visible light, which is seen (fireball) in the footage of #3 blowing up
Yeah, MOX fuel is to weapons grade Plutonium what Low Enriched Uranium is to weapons grade Uranium.
On the Uranium side you have you enrich it from the source (crappy grade Uranium) to Reactor Grade. On the Plutonium side you take the highly enriched stuff and mix it in with lots of crap.
I mean, concentrated Sulphuric Acid is nasty stuff and even a small drop can do some real damage to you. Add that drop to a liter of water and you could stick your hand in the bucket.
[edit] Side note, the is a BIG difference between reactor grade Plutonium and MOX fuel.
This guy set up a stream of his radiation detector like the one in Tokyo -- but I can't get through to it this morning:
http://www.enviroreporter.com/2011/03/enviroreporter-coms-radiation-stat...
Edit: got in -- nothing happening yet in Santa Monica
#winning
Sick, when they give out the bad news like they are talking to a 2 year old with an owie.
Everything feels like it's leaking. Dribbling, leaking, whatever.
And yet, cannot let go of the tingling BS detector. What better excuse to clamp down on international travel international news and all the other good stuff. It's for your good. really. Trust us.
The feeling is Not Good.
And again, is anyone testing the ocean currents? If not why not? That stuff was washed over by a TSOOOONAMY for heaven's sake. Is this a classic case of dis-traction? Watch this so that does not scare you shitless?
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/archetypal-astrology-from-cathartes-aura/
Save your time - don't click on the website... BORRRRRRRRRING (and not relevant to ZH)
In my best Marge Simpson impersonation:
"Hoooomieeeeeeeeeeeeee".....
ORI
I junked you -- and here's why:
EQ first (hope you agree)
Tsunami second (doubt if any of us have problems so far)
Plants start to blow / burn / emit DAYS later.
Oh look -- no SECOND harbour wave / tsunami to wash all the radionuclides into the ocean currents NEITHER did the first one wash loads of crap inland.
Care to comment ORI? Or are you just 'spreading disinformation'
PS I too have read that link and politely refrain from comment. Lucky you.
I don't like this type of Japanese export
Relax, Californias. Your daddies and mommies got adequately radiated during the 50's when watching airborne nuclear blasts was a spectator sport.
I'm watching the IWM, and it refuses to sell off.
Radiation poisoning must be bullish for small caps.
....spend like there is no tomorrow, because there isn't...
The Nuke Carry Trade is underway!
Japanese citizens, exasperated by their zero growth, ZIRP economy, will send their nuclear fallout to the USA in return for favorable Yen currency intervention!
It's a win-win-win-win-win-win!!
<<Silver $ 35.09 + 0.86>>
I dream of Cali-radiation... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn67vSHIdOs
Does Obamacare cover this?
Just recently they discovered why there was such a high rate of breast cancer in Marin County (N. of SanFran) -- it was a curious because it's a wealthy area that doesn't correlate with the usual risk factors. The occurrences were highest along the shore of the Bay and lowest along the ocean. The bay shore of marine is shallow and silt settles out there. The radiation from pacific (and likely russian) nuke tests was coming out in precip on the Sierras , draining into the Bay and settling out in silting areas like the bay shore of Marin.
Interesting, and depressing. Folks around Lake Ontario should find this interesting:
http://www.infowars.com/cover-up-in-canada-radioactive-leak-into-lake-on...
I believe that is a heavy water reactor, and sounds like the leak is from the secondary coolant loop which feeds the turbines and not from the coolant that flows through the core. Yet the newspeak uttered by the government officials is, in these times, unfortunate.
This is great news. It will help solve California's energy crisis.
@TexDenim
How does your avatar keep from falling over? Overdeveloped back muscles, zimmer frame - how??
Crap. Now trash put at the curb will have to be further seperated into "Radioactive."
27 Signs That The Nuclear Crisis In Japan Is Much Worse Than Either The Mainstream Media Or The Japanese Government Have Been Telling Us.....
http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/03/27-signs-that-nuclear-crisis-in-japan.html
Nice link. Thanks Duke.
Believe that MethMan.
. duplicate
komputer malfunction, apologies
komputer malfuntion...apologies
for once I feel lucky..in my 6 decade..I will eat anything I want grown in the winds out of japan..drink the milk, and honey..for it will not shorten my life span to any great extent..however those in your 20, 30, 40 yrs ..
well don't go near the fresh food unless it is grown in S America.
lets all sing along: The westward wind is a restless wind and it yearns to wander for I am bound on the westward wind...
"well don't go near the fresh food unless it is grown in S America."
...provided you do not care about their use of pesticides that are banned in the in the U.S.
."..provided you do not care about their use of pesticides that are banned in the in the U.S."
yes there's that, but if 2 tours in Nam with agent orange for breakfast lunch and diner only screwed up my liver enough that physicians always ask me if I have Hep B..those pesticides don't bother me, but my liver is an expert at this detox stuff so don't try this at home kids..
"Gulf/Jetstream"? Um... the Gulf Stream is an ocean current, from the Gulf of Mexico out and up the east coast of the U.S.
Getty pretty sloppy there, Dan. This is a great site, but sometimes the sloppiness (along with the frequent hyperbole) lends a very tabloidish quality.
ah but our modern world is a tabloid hyperbole
This is bullish because many unemployed and underemployed will be a shoe-in for jobs in nuclear cleanup! Experience level and duration of unemployment won't be an issue.
Problem solved!
The illegal immigrant radioactive particles have been apprehended, processed and are currently in custody awaiting extradition to the Far East.
Time to rotate the Cali wind turbines to the west, and switch them from suck to blow.
Not until we shove some of those hot lil particles into our own reactors!
Never let a good crisis go to waste
The radioactive particles have been released, citing diplomatic immunity, and were last observed loitering in the parking lot at the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power plant looking for work.
The particles landed in a chicken farm and contaminated a series of eggs which were isolated. They have now hatched. Everyone knows there are hot chicks in California.
Good news is that all the E-Coli is dead! Long die E-Coli !
Even the birds know the truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uguXNL93fWg
Powdered milk, Bitchez.
"It's just a tiny leak," the Japanese PM said when this all began.
Very low concentrations - about what you would expect on the leading edge of the plume. Stay tuned.
Ah hell, thats just Angelo Mozilo's tanning bed stuck on broil.
lol
serotonindumptruck - that's my guess too - the Cascadia subduction plate is next. Pyroclastic flows from Ranier and Hood threaten Seattle and Portland, and the Hanford site begins uncontrolled dumping of glowing shit into the Colombia River. Got Salmon?
serotonindumptruck - that's my guess too - the Cascadia subduction plate is next. Pyroclastic flows from Ranier and Hood threaten Seattle and Portland, and the Hanford site begins uncontrolled dumping of glowing shit into the Colombia River. Got Salmon?
The trouble makers on the west coast.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cascade_eruptions_in_the_last_4000_yea...
I guess pre-cooked salmon is more expensive.......
Remember this?
http://www.seattlepi.com/archives/1990/9008080029.asp
Just for the record, the "news" is from UN operators based in Europe who have 1 monitoring station in California (Sacramento).
No information from the EPA on California or Alaska.
Your government at work.
http://www.epa.gov/enviro/html/erams/incidents.html
Anyone know what happens to used football leather when exposed to radiation of this type?
Nancy Pelosis face would like to know.
LOL
Bwahahahaha!!
Now, bob -- that was agood one!!
+size 13
On Mar 9, there was an X class (strongest) solar flare (classified as A B C M or X)
Mar 10 a CME struck a blow to Earth's magnetic field
Mar 11 earthquake
Sourced
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/news/News031011-xclass.html
Do not know if there is any truth to this but:
The stories of dead fish (entire bay somewhere in California) and birds falling from the sky are a precursor to earthquakes...
I remember seeing a story on large schools of sardines floating on the surface in some marina a couple of weeks ago? Anyone know if there was a subsequent story on the cause of the fish kill?
If the Santa Monica monitoring station picking up these readings is on the ground . . .can someone knowledgeable please discuss if it is safe to fly with this plume up there? I have to fly tomorrow night with my kids...
Do it yourself atmospheric probe--for real, the largest model rocket ever flown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FXx7WqIUHA
I won't waste ZH space by posting this as an actual post (unless people want). But I spent countless hours yesterday reading through the scientific literature at Pub Med yesterday and found a bunch of foods, supplements and herbs which help protect against radiation:
How to Protect Yourself from Radiation
All of this worry about radiation in California from a slight leak in Japan is just nonsense. Consider what the downwind damage was from all of those nuclear tests in Nevada. A large number were above ground explosions with full release of all material generated. What was the health effect in Missouri, Ohio, New York? Were those people given protective pills or supplements?
Cancer has skyrocketed in the U.S. over the last 100 years. But it has nothing to do with radiation. Radiation is GOOD for you! I add some to my cheerios to pick me up, and spray paint it on my light bulbs so they glow brighter!
calling Japan's problems " a slight leak" certainly makes you the nonsense expert
Side note: Some people think the increase in cancer is genetically modified food (since it did such a bang up job on rats)
Hardly worth responding to..
Why do you think they took em underground..??
Not that the rate of medical monstrosities increased around then either..
There's nothing that autocratic regimes fear more than independent thinking and decentralization.
That's why all the efforts of the self-proclaimed "elite" oligarchy will be geared towards centralization of power and dissemination of disinformation and distraction in order to disperse organized opposition.
Think about it.
http://www.gulfstream.com/ bitchz
There's nothing that autocratic regimes fear more than independent thinking and decentralization.
That's why all the efforts of the self-proclaimed "elite" oligarchy will be geared towards centralization of power and dissemination of disinformation and distraction in order to disperse organized opposition.
Think about it.
Thus the need for Twitter, Facebook, etc.
"...ever so slightly..."
Diplomacy 101
Never scare the proles. But the proletariat don't believe, so what's plan B? Tax rebate? A quickie war? (not on recent form)
I know, ,, cruise missile on Gadaffi - oh, wait.....
Sorry if everyone has seen this already...EPA trumpets deployment of more radiation monitors to West Coast, but refuses to inform public of actual radiation data:
http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_17621522
"EPA officials, however, refused to answer questions or make staff members available to explain the exact location and number of monitors, or the levels of radiation, if any, being recorded at existing monitors in California. Margot Perez-Sullivan, a spokeswoman at the EPA's regional headquarters in San Francisco, said the agency's written statement would stand on its own."
LOL banner ad on ZH now is for a remote control model helicopter....priceless
3/18/2011 17:02 INES readings at Dai-Ni station No. 1, 2 and 4 are at 3
16:59 Japan says No. 4 reactor at 3 on INES safety scale.
Japan says No. 1, 2 and 3 reactors at 5 on INES safety scale.
does anyone know what this means--- from Bloomburg
Sorry about that, went to Wikipedia and found-----
5 – Accident With Wider Consequences, 4 was local consequences
I can see it now: "California radioactive pot provides additional health benefits to medical marijuana patients." The number of cancer patients being cured skyrockets but creates a massive shortage of Doritos due to munchie fever.
Drudge Report now has news of 5 reading
Hopefully Pelosi is home this weekend getting her share...
Ya, maybe she can have Ann over for tea.
Ann Coulter Says Radiation is Good for You
As if things are not bad enough, we now have the queen of right-wing sleeze giving her two bits on radiation. Maybe the Japanese are to feel better now that Ann has spoken.
http://www.americanpendulum.com/2011/03/ann-coulter-says-radiation-is-go...
Good. Somebody shove a half pound of plutonium up her arse.
So, all this nuclear waste in these spent fuel pools, are stored within a thousand feet of a reactor? Is this a good idea?
Also this other storage in the same room as the reactor?
They do this in USA? Nobody is inquiring?
I NEED YOUR HELP NOW! Please send this link to anyone in Japan that you know. I built this device for anyone with a little physics knowledge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Q7VfWdgEg
This device could be very comforting for those near the zone.