As Radioactive Iodine Cloud Passes Over Korea, Government Downplays Risks

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Wed, 04/06/2011 - 19:52 | 1143350 kengland
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What's the level of radioactive iodine in the cloud?

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 20:07 | 1143391 CPL
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Lethal in ten years.  It's not the fact it's radioactive...well it is...it's the dust, pollen..cross contamination of crops, then to live stock...water...soil...mixed/setting concrete without lead in it.

 

Do people honestly think lead lined paint and asbestos during the 40's and 50's was an accident?  Or the fact Iodine was added to table salt after Hiroshima was an accident?

 

No...it wasn't.  It's the best type of engineering...the social kind.  Chemistry for better living.  But think about the time.  The US blew up hundreds of A bomb in everyway shape or form to fight the "commie" threat (like they were really commies).

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 20:24 | 1143463 TIMMAYYY
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wowowow...your making some crazy assumptions there..

lead based paint and asbestos insulation to prevent radiation is quite a steep measure.

However, the more you look into other things gov. do...this seems like play time.

wtf am i going to find out in a few years how they messed with me...i hope this fluoride stuff is harmless....

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 21:42 | 1143729 CPL
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Most of what you eat, put on, play with is a byproduct of the US army.  Microwaves, polyester, Sodium Idoine (table salt), asbestos.  Wars allow for some excellent advances in technology.  Some kept others freely given.

The computer as a tool was considered a gadget until 1982, IBM was pretty much forbidden  to sell outside of the sphere of influence of USDef.  Couple of english asshole push the Sinclair series, Commodore counters...it's wasn't IBM and Apple that made the desktop.  It was the Brits.  As an Irish Canuck I'm ashamed to admit, but for correction to the history proper.  People pushed the industry because it was sold for 199 pounds versus 15000 dollars.  That's IT.  IBM (like apple now) retaliated with the IBM PC jr (worthless piece of shit) for 2700 dollars...Sinclair acorn and Commodore out sold the platform 20 to one but keeping the price under 500 USD.  Apple countered with the clones....yada yada...

 

Any Case.  Technology given won't save anyone unless that is the freakish mutation you are endowed with.  The ability to resist radiation.  Just look at the justification of Iodized Sodium...it's meant to save you from goiter..seriously  goiter...more people died of sceptic infections from a bad tooth than goiter before the fact....most people dropped dead from gout than goiter...anycase rant off.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 23:11 | 1143989 Fish Gone Bad
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Goiter and thyroid disease is a real problem in China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine_deficiency_in_China).  This used to be one of my main arguments against Chinese medicine, they could not even add iodine to salt. 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 00:39 | 1144232 nyse
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Yep. +1

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 08:06 | 1144633 jus_lite_reading
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LMAO. I love a good conspiracy and coincidence usually leads to these types of consipracies but LEAD was added to paint because of its excellent pigment and coverage properties. Saying TPTB added lead to paint to protect us from fallout is hogwash. Why did they add lead to gasoline then? Maybe because of its lubricative properties! And asbestos was cheap, easy to make, fireproof and they didn't know about the long term effects at that time. Salt? As in iodized salt?? LMAO! I know there are some truths in what TPTB do to manipulate things BUT not in these things you mention. I love a good conspiracy but you better put the weed down now before you claim TV sets were made for mind control. Oh wait, maybe they were...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 08:35 | 1144692 Dr. Impossible
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ooooo.....conspiracies...i gots 1 for this!!

http://www.cheniere.org/priore/index.html

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/scalar_tech/esp_scalartech01.htm

...be sure to vote in the upcoming elections!!!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 09:13 | 1144812 Harlequin001
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well I'd like to reply but I feel the urge to go and watch the telly...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 09:56 | 1144917 joshbot
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Wrong.  

In 1932, a letter from U.S. Bureau of Mines to asbestos manufacturer Eagle-Picher stated, in relevant part, "It is now known that asbestos dust is one of the most dangerous dusts to which man is exposed."

Asbestos effects had been known to have toxic effects before the 19th century.  A basic wikipedia check will plug you into plenty of solid verifiable data such as the following.  Please consider checking the credibility of your statement before 'laughing your ass off' publicly at someones dissenting opinion.

 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 10:16 | 1144986 joshbot
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Also wrong.

Toxicity in children from lead paint was recognized in Australia in 1897. France, Belgium and Austria banned white lead interior paints in 1909; the League of Nations followed suit in 1922. However, in the United States, laws banning lead house paint were not passed until 1971, and it was phased out and not fully banned until 1978.

 

 

Source: Goldfrank's Toxicologic Emergencies (the #1 reference in the field for the last quarter of a century.)   Eugenics is an advanced science.  Deal with it because it intends to deal with you.

 

 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 14:02 | 1146051 tj3
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The poster who is Laughing His Ass Off, didn't go into the morality or the harm asbestos caused. That's all you babe.

So are you up to refuting any of the facts the LHAO poster, posted?

Feel free to moralize to the board on other posts that are IYO are offensive to those that LTAO.

OHHHHH...white knighting is sooooooooooo much fun!

brb, soup

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 17:28 | 1147088 joshbot
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I was responding to jus_lite_reading's statement: 

"they didn't know about the long term effects at that time."  

I'm not arguing that The Powers That Be did it for eugenics purposes or  that it was done by the military to defend against radiation.  All I'm saying is attacking a person as crazy and then screwing up your facts is a bad move and that eugenics is not a joke.  The drone of snide stabs reeks of a high school pecking order gone wild.  ZH and the issue deserves better.  Personally I like to build something worthwhile.

 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 09:01 | 1144769 tj3
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Some Marxist said, "IBM was pretty much forbidden  to sell outside of the sphere of influence of USDef."

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

   IBM executives, in thier infinite wisdom, said at the time, "Who the fuck would want a computer on their desk!"

Thanks for the history lesson.

ps, /b was never good.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 00:46 | 1144243 glenlloyd
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nothing sticks like lead based paint....good stuff!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 00:55 | 1144261 disabledvet
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right up there with lead gasoline.  the good old days.  now i've got friggin' eagles and great blue herons shittin' and nestin' everywhere.  god damn you National Geographic!  Damn you to heck!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 10:11 | 1144961 malikai
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You can still buy leaded gasoline. Just go to your local GA airport. 100LL is still the only fuel available for small piston engined birds.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 09:09 | 1144801 Harlequin001
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is that before or after it breaks down to polonium somethingorother...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 03:05 | 1144409 Eric Cartman
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I'm radioactive. 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 09:07 | 1144794 Harlequin001
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can you see through walls yet?

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 20:52 | 1143561 Ray1968
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If I remember my chemistry corrrectly, "white lead" was an excellent pigment. Had nothing to do with nuclear fallout.

Just pass the dip to go with the paint chips.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 21:23 | 1143659 tmosley
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Lead based paint has been in use for hundreds or thousands of years, and was the primary type of paint long before anyone in the government ever even heard of "radioactivity".

And asbestos was used because it is completely fireproof, being the only widely available "fiber" that is made of a mineral.  In fact, ancient firemen in the middle east would wear clothes made out of asbestos.  When they got dirty, rather than washing them, they would put them in the fire!

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 22:46 | 1143899 Bolweevil
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I heart asbestos cigarette filters (bonus feature MadMen).

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 09:08 | 1144790 Harlequin001
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Personally can't see anything wrong with a cigarette that glows even when you don't puff on it...

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 23:50 | 1144094 Mark McGoldrick
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Lead based paint has been in use for hundreds or thousands of years, and was the primary type of paint long before anyone in the government ever even heard of "radioactivity".

And asbestos was used because it is completely fireproof, being the only widely available "fiber" that is made of a mineral.  In fact, ancient firemen in the middle east would wear clothes made out of asbestos.  When they got dirty, rather than washing them, they would put them in the fire!

 

Ladies and gentlemen!  I present to you a modern-day Cliff Clavin.  Instead of a neighborhood bar and grill, the modern-day Cliff Clavin jumps between 10 different internet sites all day, every day and spouts utterly ridiculous trivia in hopes of impressing those willing to listen. Sociologists have long been fascinated by these individuals, and should you be fortunate enough to trap one in the wild, large rewards are offered at universities everywhere. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6GTZrcoWEM

 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 00:03 | 1144135 tmosley
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Uhh, I was refuting a paranoid argument.  I thought you were some sort of truth seeker?

I guess not.  I suppose you are just a jealous loser who does nothing but run about the internet pursuing vendettas against people he has no beef with.

Sad, really.

Also, Trav called, he said get your own insults.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 00:29 | 1144176 Mark McGoldrick
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Mr. Clavin

You're being hornswoggled. 

Eyes and Ears Everywhere...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 08:11 | 1144641 Blankman
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He asked you to present an argument.  Just "thinking" you are smart doesn't count.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 09:18 | 1144832 tj3
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Thu, 04/07/2011 - 10:15 | 1144973 malikai
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Thu, 04/07/2011 - 00:07 | 1144148 Popo
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Call him what you will, but he pretty much demolished CPL's tinfoil hat rant with a couple of pieces of solid factual ammunition.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 00:02 | 1144136 espirit
Thu, 04/07/2011 - 00:08 | 1144154 medicalstudent
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reverse osmosis will demineralize, and therefore deradioactivate, or purify, the water.

 

act on facts, not under government.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 04:18 | 1144448 Ethics Gradient
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Reverse osmosis wastes three times as much water as it filters. That waste water will therefore be 30% more dangerous than it was before....

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 08:54 | 1144747 Dr. Impossible
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reverse osmosis is a "process" to which certain filtration systems employ, not that it "has to waste water, in the process at all". the home based R.O. systems (reverse osmosis) do indeed waste alot of water, but that's by design, to produce desired outcome, over a period of time.

I've worked on "R.O." systems the size of grade school gymnasium's, some are even installed into semi trailers(they can be leased for temporary usage)

some use membranes, some use sand(think pool filter), or other media's pending what u want to remove/strain out.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 08:15 | 1144649 johnQpublic
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, IF the radioactivity is carried by an (say) iodide ION, you probably could remove it, since that is what reverse osmosis does--replace heavy ions with lighter ones (sweeping generality).  It depend on the pore size of the membrane. 

If, however, the radioactivity is carried by a "particle" such as an iodide ion stuck to a dust particle, then it will not be removed

 

so sayeth my (usually correct) jpl physicist father

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 09:21 | 1144840 Monday1929
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Have you taken your 30 minute "ethics" class yet, medical student?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 07:28 | 1144574 goldenbuddha454
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Where are the anti-nuke zealots of the 60's, you know, Jackson Browne, Graham Nash, etc..?  Where are the anti-war zealots of the 60's, you know, Jane Fonda, Martin Sheen etc..?  I guess that when there's a DEMOCRAT in the white house its time to stand down on everything you ever believed in, or maybe they didn't believe in any of it anyway! 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 09:19 | 1144839 tj3
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what, are you asking where are the domestic terrorists?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 10:20 | 1145006 primalplasma
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They got older.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 12:29 | 1145660 malikai
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They didn't sell out. They bought in.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 19:53 | 1143354 EscapeKey
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Sorry to be pedantic, but SK isn't landlocked. An example of a landlocked country would be Switzerland.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 20:20 | 1143451 ZerOhead
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Reasonable point...  he should have said a country with nowhere to run unless it's into the waiting arms of Lil Kim. Yes they can always swim I guess.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 03:07 | 1144410 Eric Cartman
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Umm.. EscapeKey, can I tap that ass?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 04:51 | 1144462 Vlad Tepid
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Ummm...Eric. He's a guy.  That's a picture of Russian spy Anna Chapman.  Don't ask me why some guys insist on making their avatar a hot chick or a pair of jugs. Unfulfilled psych needs pro'ly.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 07:35 | 1144587 Cash_is_Trash
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My avatar speaks for itself.

The picture was taken inside Bernank's office one winter day.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 08:46 | 1144723 EscapeKey
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Because considering our times at present, she's perfect. She's a spy - but completely incompetent. Supposed to be smart, but asking people to hook up ad-hoc network connections for her in Starbucks. Supposed to blend in with the average person, but couldn't possibly stand more out. Supposed to gather intelligence, but more interested in getting drunk & laid.

Everything about her is the diametric opposite of what it's supposed to be, just like the financial markets of today.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:10 | 1147692 Eric Cartman
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This is a first for me (that I'm aware of).

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 19:51 | 1143356 Citxmech
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Anybody have a link to one of these animations for the ocean current and attendant contamination?

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 22:54 | 1143936 Bolweevil
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noaa.gov
And let your imagination run wild. I haven't found anybody modeling dispersion of radioactive water.

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