Radioactive Iodine In Fukushima Seawater Highest Ever, Reactors 5 And 6 Now Leaking Too

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Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:59 | 1094638 Id fight Gandhi
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This must be good for stocks. Means rebuilding or something.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:07 | 1094671 Josh Randall
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Bullish for NFLX for sure, all those poor souls stuck in their homes

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:12 | 1094693 Id fight Gandhi
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Price line too. All-time highs! People don't mind paying more for everything.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:35 | 1094786 Harlequin001
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and if that isn't just the crowning turd in the water pipe...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:27 | 1095908 TruthInSunshine
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Arnie Gundersen, Nuclear Engineer with Fairewinds Associates, Inc, with an excellent video explaining the travesty that is now unfolding at Fukushima, where dispersion stacks are not working, where 70% of the fuel has failed, 6 to 8 cores in 3 Reactors have failed/melted, breach has taken place at Reactor 2, radioactive gases are experiencing 'ground level release' (much higher concentrations than what TEPCO or Japanese Government has reported), and where 'building wake effect' is taking place, significant contamination was taking place as far away as 40km as of yesterday (1,600x background radiation [noble gas clouds emitting gamma rays] - with more to come and further out, and 0.9 surface contamination as measured in MegaBequerels per square meter - HOTTER THAN HOT SPOTS AT CHERNOBYL.



At 40km from Fukushima Daiichi, already higher surface contamination than hot spots at Chernobyl, and radius growing

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:14 | 1094699 bankrupt JPM bu...
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My heart goes out to the men on the ground there that have sacrificed their lives.  The is no greater way of saying thank you.

Of course if it was me, I would round up the government, and make them do it with no suits on.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:29 | 1094737 herewego...
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BTFD on Areva and Electricite de France. India and China will build their plants anyway and will need folks to help them build them. Especially as nucular power is a sign of being a delveloped country that understands the cutting edge.

Or donate small % of your gold/silver winnings to Japanese Red Cross.

(Note, nothing in this post is sarcasm.)

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:44 | 1094818 prophet
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China's primary selection was the Toshiba design, yes? 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:53 | 1094858 Commander Cody
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Combination of Areva, Westinghouse (Toshiba) and indigenous.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 10:12 | 1094930 Wu Qi Ming
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While that may be the primary choice the Power station in Lianyungang is of Russian design.

I was invited on a tour of this facility in 2009 but, on the day, it was cancelled due to an "accident". Good luck in finding out what that meant.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 10:33 | 1095041 Weaseldog
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Someone spilled a Pepsi on the control board.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 10:41 | 1095084 Wu Qi Ming
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Err, correction it was 2008. Man the years are melding together now. I did find some info on it though:

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 10:03 | 1094900 herewego...
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Yes. China has put a pause on nuclear plant building while it re-checks safety arrangements. It could be that things will continue as they should.

If it was up to the man on the street in China, they'd kick Japan while it was down and give the contract to those impressive Frenchies that are bombing the hell out of somewhere.

Disclosure: no position and a drop of 5.4% or 8% in a French company isn't going to get me to figure out how to buy stocks in them. 20%, maybe.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 10:31 | 1095032 Weaseldog
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When it's really high tech, it's called the Bleeding Edge...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 10:53 | 1095165 anonnn
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ZH readers not know what corium is?

If you want the straight skinny on latest generation nuc powr plants, have a look at AREVA' current offerrings and specs:

Corium explained near end of these specs:

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:00 | 1094646 the not so migh...
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market is in tune out mode with Japan now.   Reason is bankers can't cover up nuclear meltdowns as easy as spreadsheet losses.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:08 | 1094666 Mae Kadoodie
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tune out Japan, check.

tune out MENA, check.

tune out EU, check.

tune out housing market, check.

tune out high unemployment, check.

tune out $5 gas, check.

tune out rising commodity prices & inflation, check.

tune out debt ceiling debate, check.

am i missing anything?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:11 | 1094688 John Law Lives
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tune out lowest monthly new home sales data on record (February), check.

tune out plunge in durable goods orders, check.

tune out any lousy macroeconomic data, check.

tune out any bad news, check.


Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:12 | 1094697 Cognitive Dissonance
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I'm outta here. :>)

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:39 | 1094797 Harlequin001
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to where?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:51 | 1094849 Careless Whisper
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@ John and previous posters

the market is in tune out mode because the market knows what happened. the story is done. no need for all these articles. let me explain. the genuises at ge that designed the mark1 nuke plant (there are 23 of 'em in the usa) thought it was a good idea to store the spent, radioactive, fuel rods, inside of, and on top of, the nuke reactors. those reactors are now blowed up along with the spent fuel rods. get it?!


Thu, 03/24/2011 - 10:14 | 1094931 Harlequin001
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hmm....sounds bullish...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 10:35 | 1095051 Weaseldog
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So is the is the top of the bubble?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:12 | 1094700 Id fight Gandhi
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Tune out earnings misses and warnings. Best buy rallying on missed results and lower guidance.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:16 | 1094720 taraxias
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tune out all of the above - check


Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:39 | 1094803 Harlequin001
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sounds bullish...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:18 | 1094722 obelisks
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yes - tune out the enormous oil slick still sitting at the bottom of the sea

 from the BP disaster

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:33 | 1094776 They_Live
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Tune out reality.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:01 | 1094650 sangell
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So your fish is already grilled when you catch it.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:38 | 1094798 G-R-U-N-T
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Secretly sushi preparers welcome high levels of radiation takes care of the worm problems often associated with raw fish.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:01 | 1094651 TexDenim
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The dilution factor in the ocean is pretty big. I don't think this is going to be a problem.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:01 | 1094655 sangell
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Its already a problem at the Tokyo fish market. Sales off 70%

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:04 | 1094662 disabledvet
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exactly.  "it's the fear factor."  poo-pooohing "things nuclear" as WE are doing (???is it our crisis???) strikes me as precisely the wrong response.  on that other hand "it is what we do...AND WE DO IT WELL."

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:09 | 1094689 Kina
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Not much to do with bloggers....and everything to do with the Japanese knowing they cannot trust information coming from government and industry. If the govt had a history of honesty and believability there would be much less fear.


Also you will see a lot of the 'better safe than sorry' mentality mixed with distrust of government assurances. AND if it were my kids in Tokyo I would be telling them better to be safe than sorry.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:19 | 1094732 A Man without Q...
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It's also the, "tsunami washed my fishing boat a mile in land and it's now sitting on what used to be a karaoke bar" factor.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:35 | 1094789 herewego...
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and we have a winner.

Why is it that some zh'ers think every negative story connected with Japan is down to the the nuke power plant, when they ust had a 9.0 earthquake and a 12m tsunami?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:46 | 1094830 Bleeping Fed
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Because nuclear meltdowns and radioactive pollution are a little harder to clean up than earthquake/tsunami damage.  Multiply that difficulty with distrust in TEPCO/Jap. government growing daily...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:54 | 1094871 sangell
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Oh come now. I seriously doubt the bulk of the Japanese fishing fleet was washed inland. We are only talking three prefectures where the tsunami was intense. I imagine 90% of Japanese fishing boats are just fine.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 10:17 | 1094961 herewego...
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2 minutes on Google would suggest differently:

Major fishing ports on the Pacific coast of Honsh? include,HachinoheKesennuma, and Ishinomaki along the Sanriku coast

Japan domestic fishing industy:

Japan imports:

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:17 | 1095847 Weaseldog
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Three Eyed, Two Tailed Tuna will be the new Sushi Delicacy.


Eat while pregnant and you might give birth to something just as exciting and exotic.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:45 | 1096246 10kby2k
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When is breeding season?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:44 | 1094812 Harlequin001
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Think positive man, at least it won't sink...

and you haven't got far to go for a beer.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:05 | 1094661 johnQpublic
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dilution factor?

explain mercury in my tuna and why there wont be any radiation in that same tuna at a future point

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:31 | 1094772 nonclaim
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Completely different chemical elements with completely different physiological effects. To start Iodine-131 decays rather quickly while mercury is stable. But don't let it stop your despair...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:54 | 1094861 FilthyLucre
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>To start Iodine-131 decays rather quickly

As do Cs137, Sr90, etc. Oh thats right they don't and where there's I131, Cs137 is sure to follow. BTW, what isotopes do you get when you pump sea water into a reactor? See thats the thing with spin. What was the question again? Radiation in seafood not the half life of I131. Do Cs137 and Sr90 lodge in the organs, muscles and skeletons of fish? Whats the story with predator species like tuna?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 10:58 | 1095178 nonclaim
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If it is a dose large enough to kill an adult fish, you won't eat it because you don't eat dead fish floating in the water of washed up on the shore. You are safe.

If it is a dose large enough to kill a young fish, see above and it won't grow to be an adult fish and reproduce. You won't eat fish because there are few left for a while; you are safe but may go hungry.

Predator fish may or may not accumulate enough to kill itself. See above, and if the dose is not enough to kill a large fish like tuna it is unlikely to be enough to kill you, who will only eat a small piece of it at a time.


Unless you are in the contamination area where you may or may not suffer any consequence, you are in real trouble, since the imaginary contamination *will* fry your brain beyond repair.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:22 | 1095877 Weaseldog
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If it doesn't kill you right away, you'll be fine.

You might get cancer, or develop an autoimmune diseaase.

Your babies may be born with interesting birth defects.


But these things aren't instant death. So it's ok.


Thu, 03/24/2011 - 17:29 | 1096263 nonclaim
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It is good to be scared isn't it? Even if it is imaginary, suddenly all other problems, in real life, fade away.


Being exposed to radioactivity may lead or not to certain diseases... But you also might get cancer anyway, wherever you are. Babies may be "defective" even if the mother is perfectly healthy and safe.

But you can count on *any* unknown case of cancer or yet to be found "defective" baby in the womb in that area that, as a matter of fact, *will* we attributed to this disaster. The preexisting ones; the statistics must look good, you know.


I'm very cynical in this post. Count all the collective man-hours wasted in these many threads, reading and writing disinformation or countering it, and you'll realize a lot of "human lives equivalent" have died already.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:03 | 1094657 johnQpublic
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good news is, on a long enuf timeline, this wont even matter

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