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Radioactivity Detected 60 Miles From Fukushima Power Plant

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The latest in an endless escalation of bad news comes from Seattle Times: "Pentagon officials reported Sunday that helicopters flying 60 miles from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant picked up small amounts of radioactive particulates — still being analyzed, but presumed to include cesium-137 and iodine-121 — suggesting widening environmental contamination. The detection of the highly radioactive elements heralds the beginning of an ecological and human tragedy. The two radioactive isotopes can mean only one thing: One or more of the reactor cores is badly damaged and at least partially melted down." If true, this also means that the Japanese government is blatantly lying to its people and the world, in its relentless determination to prevent panic and to pursue the party line that after two massive blasts the cores are still stable. And judging by the time stamp, this was announced before last night's second blast: if radioactivity had spread then, how about now? And who can blame Americans and people around the world who are concerned that radiation may be coming their way if nobody is to be trusted.

More Seattle Times:

Japanese reactor operators now have little choice but to periodically release radioactive steam until the radioactive elements in the fuel of the stricken reactors stop generating intense heat, a process that can continue for a year or more even after fission has stopped.

In the best case, operators will pump enough seawater and other coolants to squelch overheating. Such a success would prevent further releases of radiation beyond the unknown amount spewed into the air by controlled venting and the explosion of a reactor containment building.

In such a scenario, the only casualties would probably be the handful of plant workers reported Sunday to be suffering from acute radiation sickness.

If the last-ditch efforts to cool the reactors fail, the heavy cylindrical cores — each containing tons of radioactive fuel — could flare to hotter than 4,000 degrees and melt through the layers of steel and cement engineered to contain them.

Such a meltdown may be under way, said Arnie Gundersen, chief engineer at the consulting firm Fairewinds Associates. Gundersen helps oversee the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant, whose reactors are the same vintage and design as those of the stricken Japanese reactor.

If a full meltdown occurs, a huge molten lump of radioactive material would burn through all containment, destroy the building and fall to the ground, exposed. A toxic stew of exotic radioactive particles would then spread on the wind and rain.

And keeping the news going is the update from NHK that at least 11 people have died in the second blast reported earlier:

At least eleven people died in a second explosion at the Fukushima nuclear plant in north-eastern Japan on Monday, NHK TV said.

The build-up of hydrogen caused reactor no. 3 to explode at around 02:00 GMT but the government's top spokesman, Yukio Edano, said its core was still intact. He said there was a "low possibility" of a rise in radiation levels near the damaged plant.

A blast occurred in the plant's reactor no. 1 on Saturday.

The plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co., told the TV station that the cooling system at reactor no. 2 has failed.

 


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Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:02 | Link to Comment virgule
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Read something similar a few hours ago, reported by US navy chopers flying back to their aircraft carriers. Confusion reigns.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:34 | Link to Comment Ethics Gradient
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The carriers are leaving because they detected a small amount of radiation 100 miles to sea.

Small meaning 'big enough to warrant us clearing off immediately and leaving a humanitarian crisis devlop unaided'.

The reason for Japans govt lies is that if 50 million people decide to leave Tokyo, the human casualties will be enormous. Not to mention the chances of Japan being able to service it's debt when it's capital is a ghost town is, err, unlikely. Then all the world needs to do is absorb a $10 trillion default.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:40 | Link to Comment Quintus
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Maybe they are leaving because they don't want to run the risk of being washed halfway up Mt Fuji by another Tsunami? 

Much safer to be in open ocean right now, I'd have thought.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:40 | Link to Comment Confused
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Out of curiosity, is there potential for another Tsunami? 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:43 | Link to Comment Quintus
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Absolutely.  Any of the aftershocks Japan is currently experiencing could set off another Tsunami.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:46 | Link to Comment Confused
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Didn't want to come off as being sarcastic. Thanks for the response. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:51 | Link to Comment Ethics Gradient
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Sorry, should have posted a link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12729138

Evacuations

Japanese officials are playing down any health risk, but the US said it had moved one of its aircraft carriers from the area after detecting low-level radiation 100 miles (160km) offshore.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:00 | Link to Comment Commander Cody
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You are correct in that if the direction of the wind changes 180 degrees, then Tokyo will be a ghost town.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:47 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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It's not confusion.

The reason why they keep the lid on it is simple: If it all would be as bad as thought, it would meen the TOTAL EVACUATION OF JAPAN!!

This is a impossible task and would turn the economy and the stock market to ZERO!

 

IN THE NEAR FUTURE:

WHEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT LITTLE GREEN GLOWING MEN THAT LANDED,

THEY'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE JAPANESE TOURISTS WHO ARE FLYING IN!

 

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:15 | Link to Comment bingaling
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Uss george washington was 100 miles off coast where it detected radiation . 

Reactor 2 is obviously next to explode -

and to the right from ran sqwauk- 

Fuel rods are entirely exposed at Fukushima, no.2 reactor

 

What the hell does that mean ?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:54 | Link to Comment sushi
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Exposed fuel rods means zero cooling which means increasing temps until the zirconium cladding on the fuel bundles oxidizes and releases H2. The increasing pressure must be vented to outside the reactor vessel at which point the H2 comes in contact with atmospheric oxygen (there is no oxygen within the reactor vessel) at which point there is a 3rd explosion, the personnel inside the reactor signal all is well, the government communicates that things are going as planned and Don't Worry, Be Happy or the Nipponese equivalent.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:43 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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that soon it won't only be the firefly's that will glow at night....

 

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:07 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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The Japanese must save face. What the average Westerner doesn't always fully understand is that in Japanese society even the victims will help the liar/abuser/oppressor save face. It not really the same thing as the abuser/abused connection or even Stockholm Syndrome we see in America and in European countries, at least not by Western standards.

In Japan if the liar can't save face, it is considered that all of society loses face. This belief isn't quite as strong as it was say 50 years ago but nearly so. The herd protects even the butcher.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:22 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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but why does the West uncritically repeat the lies?  we truly do live in an insane asylum.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:34 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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they save face, we borrow it, then we lift it

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:43 | Link to Comment Bubbles...bubbl...
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Fuck their face...we want the TRUTH! Who cares about their silly little customs.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:57 | Link to Comment sushi
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Up to this point the wind has been to the NE or offshore. It is forecast to blow towards Tokyo or onshore.

With an offshore wind you can lie through your teeth (unless there is a CVN out there). When the wind is onshore you can still lie but the fact of your population suffering radiation sickness begins to reveal the truth.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:12 | Link to Comment A Man without Q...
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I worked on a deal with a large Japanese Corporation a few years ago, dealing with their head office in Tokyo.  We were putting together a financing structure, and a very complex one at that.  Making errors was easy and understandable (sometimes you didn't know it was an error until you checked with lawyers in a third country), so the agreement was to send documents to be checked.  If we sent anything back with a request for a change, it would take days before there would be a reply and then it would come from someone else.  It seems that they took any changes as signs of failure, leading to profuse apologies and replacement on the project.  It was a fucking nightmare, made everything take weeks longer, far more mistakes.  When I watch the unfolding disaster, I can't help but think of this experience...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:21 | Link to Comment IslandMan
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And of course this is entirely different from the Wall Street / American / European system, where lies are ubiquitous to make sure none of the political or economic elite lose face or money.  Millions evacuated by foreclosure or unemployment, no problem.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:38 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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well said

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:39 | Link to Comment Broomer
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Save face, indeed. You don't have idea of how far the Japanese can go to do so.

Here is a story from Japanese immigrants in Brazil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shindo_Renmei

Shindo Renmei - (???? "League of the Subjects' Path" in Japanese) was a terrorist organization composed of Japanese immigrants in the state of São Paulo, Brazil, active in the 1940s. Refusing to believe the news of Japan's surrender in the end of World War 2, some of its most fanatic members used violence against those who did. Shindo Renmei killed at least 23 people and wounded 147 others, all of them Japanese-Brazilians.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:49 | Link to Comment Confuchius
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An interesting link, CD, true facts plus cutaway drawings and a detailed description of the design and construction of the GE power plants in Japan. This is a link from http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:10 | Link to Comment Tulli
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And what strikes me as beyond belief is that European equities appear numb. Actually, EuroStoxx 50 is positive as I write this. 

Do any humans, at all, trade equities any more?

Or did someone just change the correlation to Asian Equities to 0.0 and WOPR is trading accordingly?

Edit: Of course that what is happening is a monumental human catastrophe. I just hope that it ends up not being as bad as it appears, and that the Japanese can get back on their feet ASAP.

What a strange market...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:10 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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It's no longer a "market" at least by the definition I was taught 25 years ago. It's now a crime scene that is still active and not policed.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:11 | Link to Comment John McCloy
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Straight up unending crime in progress. RICO trials are necessary just like with Cosa Nostra complete with corrupt politicians. Truly no different except the numbers are considerably larger with the Wall Street crime syndicate.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:43 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Far less loyalty than your average mob capo though...they'd be rolling over and 'cutting deals' like it was M&A season.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:08 | Link to Comment John McCloy
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   I despise when people decide amongst themselves what information is acceptable for the public. Nobody has any right to withhold information from you that compromises your safety for your supposed "own good". If thousands die because they did not wish to cause panic then inevitably isn't the supposed benefit moot of keeping quiet? 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:28 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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the markets in the US will respond--negatively.  No matter the now hilarious lies that only reveal the ignorance of the media Mediocraty causes money to flee for it's life.  The fact that the clutches of the incompetent still maintain a grip on "organized" finance only makes the losses that much more staggering and "the clutchees" that much more "retarded"--with deference to "the retarded" since "having been queried why i like those people" have found that "God reserved them a genius simply lacking in the above average ignorant American phuck head" et al.  Now back to work...slave.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:28 | Link to Comment ZapBranigan
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"the markets in the US will respond--negatively"

 

Not so fast DV...the markets have been full-retard for a couple of months now.  No telling what the markets will do as they have been extremely unpredictable.  Logic no longer applies...we'll find out in a couple of minutes.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:12 | Link to Comment TheGreatPonzi
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"If true, this also means that the Japanese government is blatantly lying to its people and the world"

A government, lying? Impossible. They are as white as fresh snow. 

RIP for the 11 workers -- earlier reports said that the Reactor 3 Blast was inoffensive and/or normal.

CNBC even said it was needed and healthy to evacuate pressure. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:16 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Even by my cynical standards I was amazed how the networks joined nearly in lock step to repeat this blatant propaganda.

Since we were warned in advance that there could be an explosion at unit three because of the buildup of bad explosive hydrogen gas and that this explosion has now taken place, which has dissipated the gas, the Japanese government is essentially saying the meltdown is progressing according to plan and schedule.

Now hurry up and switch back to large piles of debris and emotionally wrenching stories of tsunami heroes and survivors.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:21 | Link to Comment robertocarlos
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The workers at number two reactor will show up for work today.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:58 | Link to Comment sushi
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They are in the reactor as we speak.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:04 | Link to Comment robertocarlos
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+1 You are making fun of my post from yesterday, :)

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:17 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Just check the parking lot...need a live feed of the parking lot

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:19 | Link to Comment sushi
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It was funny yesterday. Today it almost reeks of the truth. Whatever that is.

Cheers!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:44 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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they better not scratch where it itches or it will come off....

 

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:22 | Link to Comment Confused
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"If true, this also means that the Japanese government is blatantly lying to its people and the people of the world."

 

There I fixed it. Can't imagine anyone in a position of power, in the US or elsewhere, aren't hip to the methods used to keep people calm. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:47 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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blasphemy!!

 

NAME ONE GOVERNEMT THAT EVER LIED TO IT'S PEOPLE AND I'LL BELIEVE YOU!!

 

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:09 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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Well thats the only way to disprove the lie. Same thing in Chernobyl the scandinavians came to work and the alarms went red

Not surprising really. But give them (the Japanese) a nod they fought like Hell and now they own it.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:14 | Link to Comment TheGreatPonzi
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In France, the government hid the truth about the nuclear cloud (which stopped in the Alpes, and was actually supposed to stop at the frontier). It caused quite a stir in the 1990s, after the alpine population saw a big increase in cancer cases and Geiger counters were detecting anormal radioactivity in water.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:15 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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hmmmm.... pentamom picked up this stuff. Of course, the Pentamom is to be trusted as much as the Japanese gobbermint, yes? Perhaps next we'll have the CIA telling us that it was nothing. Just a top hat being blown away by a big edamame fart.

We are probably now in full disifo mode, keeping everyone confused till the last possible minute.

The GOM minute is now coming to one year. 

The 9/11 minute is coming up to 10 years this year.

This could be a bloody long minute.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/axis-trembles/

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:21 | Link to Comment Tric
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wtf did I just read?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:30 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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"silence spoken out loud" i believe.  hard to tell.  still..."there is method to it."

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:39 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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wtf did I just read?

Same reaction here.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:16 | Link to Comment dipdude
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Fuel rods at No. 2 reactor of Fukushima No. 1 nuke plant fully exposed.

Source - http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:26 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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Oh dear.

Not good.

Better link.

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77854.html

"Fuel rods at the No. 2 reactor of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant were fully exposed Monday, following Friday's deadly earthquake, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said.

The plant operator said water levels fell as fuel for pumps that are used for seawater injection operations ran out.

Tokyo Electric earlier said the cooling functions of the reactor had been lost and began injecting seawater into the reactor to cool it down.

==Kyodo"

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:33 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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of course there's the interesting question as to "whether the sea water being injected was part of any plan."  my understanding is "the sea water is entering without recourse to an alternative."  that does not strike me "as a plan" but "yet again an act of nature."  and of course "this sea water heats up and then causes a so called hydrogen explosion."  and "you are see thousand pound chunks of concrete be blown out a country mile."  so..."you gonna believe me or your lying eyes?"

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:37 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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I agree entirely.

Sea water was never part of a "plan".

It's use is an act of utter desperation.

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:42 | Link to Comment TheGreatPonzi
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Sea water sabotages the reactors forever, as it is very corrosive, so it is indeed an act of desperation.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:41 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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This is getting weird You have generators that are needed to save the World and you forget the diesel to run them. No this is just getting weird.

But the cores were exposed thats game over as its an overheat in smart quick time. It time For sand, then sand mixed with special cement and lots of it. the plants fucked anyway. Fill the bastard

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:48 | Link to Comment Confused
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I wonder if its a matter of not being prepared, or if the quake/tsunami combo have just destroyed the logistics necessary in aiding the operation. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:56 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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Logic determines fuel by helicopter or any means avalable. The whole Island is not stuffed (yet)

You don't come to a fight with an empty gun.

This is what happens when panic freezes the mind.

Dear Dear and headlights

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:13 | Link to Comment Confused
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Fair enough. In either case, you are correct. Its confusing how ill prepared they seem from a distance. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:40 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Earthquakes?  Tsunamis?  A country ringed with nuclear power plants?

Dude, nobody could see this coming!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:42 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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Don't forget the volcano. And now People suffering from exposure and shock and grief.

My heart goes out to them and us.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:56 | Link to Comment fuu
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Let's not forget the weather report for today shows single digit temps and possible snow across most of japan. That can't help.

 

or the aftershocks. Lots and ltos of aftershocks.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:02 | Link to Comment Ethics Gradient
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I'm not sure what sort of loony you'd need to be to stand next to an open nuclear reaction and tip sand onto another open nuclear reaction while another nuclear reactor explodes next to you.

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:36 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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A cat can explain this most clearly.

You should all try and understand it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:45 | Link to Comment Ethics Gradient
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I think I get it.

If a technician walks into a place which may or may not be fatally radioactive, as long as no-one looks for him again, you can't report his death.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:13 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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You my dear friend just understood something people with IQ's in the Very high 100's fail to get.

Congratulations you now have earned - Cognitive Disonence

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:45 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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If you trot out a bunch of actors and televise the fact that this is the team that saved the power plants, nobody will even ask if anyone is missing.  You'll have to payoff some families and get them to sign the "State Secrets Act", of course.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:16 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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If it melts through it will hit ground water in a short time, Then you will get steam that will expode up, way up, like a volcano. That steam is not life friendly and mixes with the jet streams and falls as angels from hell into all food supplies fish grain water air and soil. 

The good news

I am told it stops the aging process. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:35 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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its all fun and games til someone grows an extra eye

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:19 | Link to Comment UGrev
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oO_o

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:20 | Link to Comment 10044
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Well, at least we know this WON'T be solved by QE

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:25 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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Yes You can't fight this fire with FIRE (Finance Insurance and real estate)

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:26 | Link to Comment Wakanda
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Ruh - Roh

SHTF in T minus...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:28 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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Time for sand and cement post haste if this is the real deal and I mean like yesterday.

This is a rapidly diminishing time/ effect equation. A Fucked Quant if you must know

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:27 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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Unfortunately the Japanese don't have the universal solution to all problems the way we do in the US: Make the Bush tax cuts permanent. Also, the Japanese government should just get out of the way and let the free market regulate the problem of exploding nuclear reactors.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:35 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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i like you.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:32 | Link to Comment Tric
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What actually happens for the fuel rods to be "fully exposed"?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:46 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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I get it it a joke.

The answer is you get a ticket for indecent exposure

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:45 | Link to Comment bingaling
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No Idea - but supposedly they are now in 30 cm of water . I have no idea how big the rods are if they are 100 cm i think it is still the same problem no?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:43 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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Have the executives of TEPCO commited seppuku yet?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:53 | Link to Comment Zero Debt
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How could they be so stupid that they didn't build the emergency generators up the hill so the tsunami couldn't flood them? Committee-based engineering....

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:00 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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GM costcutting and why screw with perfectly predrawn plans.

Jack Welsh paging Jack Welsh.

But seriuosly The pumps are AC and the armitures don't like water.

Test --get your pool pump , throw it in the pool , pull it out and fire it up

It will fail to proceed.

Thus endith the lesson in cause and effect

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:53 | Link to Comment Quintus
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Some good reading here, from someone who's masters thesis was in the field of Reactor safety systems.

 

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2011/03/march-13-2011-how-black-is...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:43 | Link to Comment robertocarlos
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There was a man on TV who said the San Francisco disaster of 1906 led to the financial disaster of 1907.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:31 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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 The Three Mile Island accident saw an "impromptu test" of this question, with an actual molten core within an actual structure; the molten corium failed to melt through even the relatively thin Reactor Pressure Vessel after over six hours of exposure, due to dilution of the melt by the control rods and other reactor internals, comprehensively validating the industry's insistence on defense in depth against core damage incidents. Though this has never happened - some in the anti-nuclear movement speculate that a molten reactor core could actually penetrate the reactor pressure vessel and containment structure and burn down groundwater.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:49 | Link to Comment Ethics Gradient
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Core catchers help, although I think they only worked that out since those plats were built.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:28 | Link to Comment VinniPukh
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helpful post, ta.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:55 | Link to Comment robertocarlos
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I am gobsmacked that the Americans turn and ran.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:03 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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Japan has no oil. It was an exersise in response time.

Only.

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:12 | Link to Comment Bubbles...bubbl...
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They are not running, they are "redeploying". By the way, if the Russians or Chinese want that nuclear mess and toxic wasteland formerly called Japan, they can have it.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:31 | Link to Comment uhb
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looks like americans are pussies

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:02 | Link to Comment uhb
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Fvck! Fukushima #2 reactor emergency cooling fails, no more seawater being injected, core uncooled... source: nhk world

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:07 | Link to Comment Topher
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Does anyone have a link to this?

"The carriers are leaving because they detected a small amount of radiation 100 miles to sea."

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:42 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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Yes from that article I cut and paste this

But the US said it had moved one of its aircraft carriers from the area after detecting low-level radiation 160km (100 miles) offshore.


Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:31 | Link to Comment Paper CRUSHer
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The solar cycle is set to peak in 2014.

There will be a marked increase in the frequency and intensity of earthquakes for sure.The destruction we just witnessed in Japan,New Zealand,Chile,Haiti will be all surpassed over the next few years.

Ironically speaking,the CB's and governments will be pumping all the liquidity into the markets while the earthquake generated tsunamis providing they're own sea of liquidity........ t'will be a twist.

BTW, I just bought some more water filters as well as  a wood/coal burning stove complete with a briquette maker to make use of all o' those hard earned FRNs for fuel.

Solar Cycle link:

http://www.solarham.com/

...don't forget SPACE WEATHER.COM

 

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:23 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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The government's top spokesperson Yukio Edano said the power company is preparing to pour seawater into the container.

Monday, March 14, 2011 17:20 +0900 (JST)

And I may be a dumb smuck but pray tell me how your going to do that

To get it in you have to have an opening

Maybe they do, but it used to be a closed system

 - Some ones telling pork pies - again

And another thing - there is not a pump made that can deliver the cooling required now. Is like pissing into a volcano

Time for plan B - there is a plan B I am assuming

Over to the people who do the calculations on time decay in meltdown

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:31 | Link to Comment Broomer
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Plan B is curl into fetal position and die.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:21 | Link to Comment prophet
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One of my favorite planning axioms:

When a fail-safe system fails, it fails to fail safe.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:37 | Link to Comment dipdude
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UPDATE - Fuel rods at the quake-hit Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant's No. 2 reactor were fully exposed at one point after its cooling functions failed, the plant operator said Monday, indicating the critical situation of the reactor's core beginning to melt due to overheating.

The rods were exposed as a fire pump to pour seawater into the reactor to cool it down ran out of fuel, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. The firm had reported the loss of cooling functions as an emergency to the government.

TEPCO said water levels later recovered to cover 30 centimeters in the lower parts of the fuel rods.

The seawater injection operation started at 4:34 p.m., but water levels in the No. 2 reactor have since fallen sharply with only one out of five fire pumps working. The other four were feared to have been damaged by a blast that occurred in the morning at the nearby No. 3 reactor.

The utility firm said a hydrogen explosion at the nearby No. 3 reactor that occurred Monday morning may have caused a glitch in the cooling system of the No. 2 reactor.

Similar cooling down efforts have been taken at the plant's No. 1 and No. 3 reactors and explosions occurred at both reactors in the process, blowing away the roofs and walls of the buildings that house the reactors.

It is feared that the No. 2 reactor will follow the same path. To prevent a possible hydrogen explosion at the No. 2 reactor, TEPCO said it will look into opening a hole in the wall of the building that houses the reactor to release hydrogen.

The company has also begun work to depressurize the containment vessel of the No. 2 reactor by releasing radioactive steam, the government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said. Such a step is necessary to prevent the vessel from sustaining damage and losing its critical containment function.

With only one fire pump working, TEPCO is placing priority on injecting water into the No. 2 reactor, although both the No. 1 and No. 3 reactors still need coolant water injections, according to the agency.

The blast earlier in the day injured 11 people but the reactor's containment vessel was not damaged, with the government dismissing the possibility of a large amount of radioactive material being dispersed, as radiation levels did not jump after the explosion.

TEPCO said seven workers at the site and four members of the Self-Defense Forces were injured. Of the 11, two were found to have been exposed to radiation and are receiving treatment.

Since the magnitude 9.0 quake hit northeastern Japan last Friday, some reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 plant have lost their cooling functions, leading to brief rises in radiation levels.

As a result, the cores of the No. 1 and No. 3 reactors have partially melted.

The government ordered residents within a 20-kilometer radius of the plant to evacuate Saturday in the wake of the initial blast at the plant's No. 1 reactor. A total of 483 people are still attempting to leave the area, according to the nuclear agency.

The agency ruled out the possibility of broadening the area subject to the evacuation order for now.

Source - http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77870.html


 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:45 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Given everything else we've seen so far, it wouldn't surprise me if they forgot to change the batteries in the radiation detectors.

Or...'forgot' to change them.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:56 | Link to Comment uhb
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i cant believe the japs are unable to keep these shitty 3 reactor cores submerged in sea water! </p>

tepco press release: </p>

At 2:46PM on March 11th 2011, the turbines and reactors of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 1 (Boiling Water Reactor, rated output 460 Megawatts) and Units 2 and 3 (Boiling Water Reactor, Rated Output 784 Megawatts) that had been operating at rated power automatically shutdown due to the Tohoku-Chihou-Taiheiyou-Oki Earthquake. (previously announced) In response, water injection into Unit 2's reactor were being carried out by the Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System. However, as the Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System failed today, it was determined that a specific incident (failure of reactor cooling function) stipulated in article 15, clause 1 has occurred at 1:25 pm today.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:58 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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Pissing on a volcano is never going to cut it. Not a pump made that would deliver enough water to cool this.

Pity they can't pick up the containment vessel and drop it in the Mariana Trench.

Irradiated food has a longer shelf life

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:22 | Link to Comment Charlie Bravo
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I'd rather eat a 15 day old shitburger from McDonald's than eat food that was contaminated by fallout (let alone from a nuclear reactor meltdown).

Charlie Bravo

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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one day soon you may get the chance...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:32 | Link to Comment the_magician
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With only one fire pump working, TEPCO is placing priority on injecting water into the No. 2 reactor, although both the No. 1 and No. 3 reactors still need coolant water injections, according to the agency.

I'm almost convinced that these guys are in PANIC mode. From what they say i would think they've abandoned first two reactors completely and just trying to deal with no 2. If that.  No1 and No3 reactors are in full meltdown.No 2 WILL explode in the same fashion.Can't be any other way. All their emergency people, engines and everything else were just blown away by these explosions. They're even saying that themselves, 1 POOR ASS FIRE PUMP! 

 

'Nuclear engineers' and 'experts' don't bother to reply with your textbook bullshit.

 

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:26 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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"Nuclear energy! Clean. Safe. Too cheap to meter!™"....until it isn't.
then its a fucking inextinguishable glow stick from hell

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:53 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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Are you telling me that people in this world cannot get hoses, pumps and fuel over there and in place to mitigate this disaster?????!!!!!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:09 | Link to Comment the_magician
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not if everything around keeps getting aftershocks, tsunami warnings and huge explosions. read again.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:52 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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After reading that article im off to bed

It has more holes than Swiss cheese and has a stench of complete lies.

Cores don't partially melt, they continue hotter and hotter as the heat of the reaction feeds on itself

I'm hoping that the containment shell can withstand 4000- 8000 degrees Celcius.

Did I mention Hope is a waste of human emotion like in I hope I don't die but I know I will- given a long enough time line. Expect the 3rd and final explosion that will by some strange chance not effect the on going effort to totally fuck up this total lied and screwed up episode of ultimate stupidity.

We are a very long way from Kansas now toto

Plan B - like the carrier Bug out

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:04 | Link to Comment Charlie Bravo
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I believe the deadly radioisotope of iodine in question is Iodine-131, not Iodine 121.

Those poor people need to be given iodine suppliments quickly.

Charlie Bravo

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:12 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Where are the posters telling us we are over reacting?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:15 | Link to Comment Charlie Bravo
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"Where are the posters telling us we are over reacting?"

Rumor has it they're in a meeting right now.  

Charlie Bravo

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:18 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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Ms C i have never relpied to you.

But WE are overreacting - No 

I leave that to uncontrolled fision material.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:21 | Link to Comment Charlie Bravo
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No pun intended.

Charlie Bravo

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:32 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I agree MsCreant. On Friday I said that it was beginning to sound like Three Mile Island. Sound like TMI, not that it was like TMI. There was a howl of protest. Now that it has progressed beyond TMI I still see some of the ZH apologists out there making technical comments and trying to talk people down but not with the venom they had before.

I have no doubt that ZH will become infected with nuclear apologists just like it became infested with oil industry apologists during the GOM disaster. PR spin and paid disinformation and propagandists.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:48 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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At best, this is a catastrophe. I've ordered the pills. May never need them, but they seem to have 99% of their punch 11 years after they were made, 8 years after their expiry date, so why not? I live within 200 miles of 2 of these things. Check your zipcode at:

http://webthing.greenpeaceusa.org/nuclear_locator/

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:50 | Link to Comment Ethics Gradient
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I think you're reading this incorrectly. If an ancient nuclear reactor can explode without danger to human health, surely they have to be much safer than we thought.

It turns out that if they start to overheat, all you need to do is to get one fire truck to pump sea water into the general vacinity of a containment structure and it's all fine.

I used to be worried about nuclear power, but now I'm fine with it.

Gotta go. I've run out of drugs.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:16 | Link to Comment Thunder Dome
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Yes this is a massive human tragedy.  But that doesn't change the fact that uranium miners are EXTREMELY attractive here.  The world absolutely needs nuclear power.  I picked up some CCJ this morning at 29.05.

 

The comments here remind me of what was being posted during the oil spill in the gulf.  Right or wrong, where are BP, RIG and APC trading now? 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:45 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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politics aside (as if that's possible), good discusion going on today's show:

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/14/stream 

couple of interesting points:

most plants built to survive a 7.5

most plants insured to 12.5 Bil only

Michigan's waste storage sounds a little risky  

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:00 | Link to Comment BurningFuld
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FYI there is probably around 140 tons of Uranium or Uranium equivalent in each of these reactors. They refuel about 25% of that amount about every 12 months.  From my reading. Not an expert.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:09 | Link to Comment locinvestor
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Before you use lots of stereotypes about Japan and the population, keep these points in mind:

Japan has a population of about 120 million. The foreign propulation there is about 3%. That means it's still in many ways a homogenous society. Don't fall into the "all Japanese are stoic" trap. Because that's not true.

There, many who are in "professional" positions (managers, teachers, doctors and others) enjoy a high status. It's considered rude to publically question them. As for politicians, many activists in Japan will march (unlike their counterparts in the States). So in that sense they're way ahead of us.

Also consider where the country is. They're surrounded by U.S. troops and bases in Okinawa. You also have Taiwan, North and South Korea and China to deal with. Despite improvements in diplomatic relations with all of them, there are still nationalist problems. There's still a nationalist element in the government that wants to stop apologizing to the States for WWII and to get them out.

Unfortunately, almost all of the corporate MSM and progressive media don't care about these facts.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:50 | Link to Comment Warrivar
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You would think someone would have invented Radaway by now...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:53 | Link to Comment jerry_theking_lawler
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or Rad-X...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:09 | Link to Comment Trying to Understand
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FLASH: Fuel rods fully exposed again at Fukushima nuclear power plant: TEPCO

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:29 | Link to Comment SpaceHerpes
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Best images yet.   Notice solid floor/roof on #1 compared to number #3

http://www.flickr.com/photos/digitalglobe-imagery/

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