Radioactivity Detected 60 Miles From Fukushima Power Plant

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Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:02 | 1049495 virgule
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Read something similar a few hours ago, reported by US navy chopers flying back to their aircraft carriers. Confusion reigns.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:34 | 1049545 Ethics Gradient
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The carriers are leaving because they detected a small amount of radiation 100 miles to sea.

Small meaning 'big enough to warrant us clearing off immediately and leaving a humanitarian crisis devlop unaided'.

The reason for Japans govt lies is that if 50 million people decide to leave Tokyo, the human casualties will be enormous. Not to mention the chances of Japan being able to service it's debt when it's capital is a ghost town is, err, unlikely. Then all the world needs to do is absorb a $10 trillion default.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:40 | 1049557 Quintus
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Maybe they are leaving because they don't want to run the risk of being washed halfway up Mt Fuji by another Tsunami? 

Much safer to be in open ocean right now, I'd have thought.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:40 | 1049560 Confused
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Out of curiosity, is there potential for another Tsunami? 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:43 | 1049568 Quintus
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Absolutely.  Any of the aftershocks Japan is currently experiencing could set off another Tsunami.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:46 | 1049571 Confused
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Didn't want to come off as being sarcastic. Thanks for the response. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:51 | 1049588 Ethics Gradient
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Sorry, should have posted a link:


Japanese officials are playing down any health risk, but the US said it had moved one of its aircraft carriers from the area after detecting low-level radiation 100 miles (160km) offshore.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:00 | 1049785 Commander Cody
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You are correct in that if the direction of the wind changes 180 degrees, then Tokyo will be a ghost town.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:47 | 1049662 Sudden Debt
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It's not confusion.

The reason why they keep the lid on it is simple: If it all would be as bad as thought, it would meen the TOTAL EVACUATION OF JAPAN!!

This is a impossible task and would turn the economy and the stock market to ZERO!







Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:15 | 1049497 bingaling
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Uss george washington was 100 miles off coast where it detected radiation . 

Reactor 2 is obviously next to explode -

and to the right from ran sqwauk- 

Fuel rods are entirely exposed at Fukushima, no.2 reactor


What the hell does that mean ?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:54 | 1049596 sushi
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Exposed fuel rods means zero cooling which means increasing temps until the zirconium cladding on the fuel bundles oxidizes and releases H2. The increasing pressure must be vented to outside the reactor vessel at which point the H2 comes in contact with atmospheric oxygen (there is no oxygen within the reactor vessel) at which point there is a 3rd explosion, the personnel inside the reactor signal all is well, the government communicates that things are going as planned and Don't Worry, Be Happy or the Nipponese equivalent.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:43 | 1049739 Sudden Debt
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that soon it won't only be the firefly's that will glow at night....



Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:07 | 1049498 Cognitive Dissonance
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The Japanese must save face. What the average Westerner doesn't always fully understand is that in Japanese society even the victims will help the liar/abuser/oppressor save face. It not really the same thing as the abuser/abused connection or even Stockholm Syndrome we see in America and in European countries, at least not by Western standards.

In Japan if the liar can't save face, it is considered that all of society loses face. This belief isn't quite as strong as it was say 50 years ago but nearly so. The herd protects even the butcher.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:22 | 1049524 disabledvet
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but why does the West uncritically repeat the lies?  we truly do live in an insane asylum.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:34 | 1049898 DaveyJones
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they save face, we borrow it, then we lift it

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:43 | 1049566 Bubbles...bubbl...
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Fuck their face...we want the TRUTH! Who cares about their silly little customs.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:57 | 1049603 sushi
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Up to this point the wind has been to the NE or offshore. It is forecast to blow towards Tokyo or onshore.

With an offshore wind you can lie through your teeth (unless there is a CVN out there). When the wind is onshore you can still lie but the fact of your population suffering radiation sickness begins to reveal the truth.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:12 | 1049659 A Man without Q...
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I worked on a deal with a large Japanese Corporation a few years ago, dealing with their head office in Tokyo.  We were putting together a financing structure, and a very complex one at that.  Making errors was easy and understandable (sometimes you didn't know it was an error until you checked with lawyers in a third country), so the agreement was to send documents to be checked.  If we sent anything back with a request for a change, it would take days before there would be a reply and then it would come from someone else.  It seems that they took any changes as signs of failure, leading to profuse apologies and replacement on the project.  It was a fucking nightmare, made everything take weeks longer, far more mistakes.  When I watch the unfolding disaster, I can't help but think of this experience...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:21 | 1049692 IslandMan
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And of course this is entirely different from the Wall Street / American / European system, where lies are ubiquitous to make sure none of the political or economic elite lose face or money.  Millions evacuated by foreclosure or unemployment, no problem.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:38 | 1049907 DaveyJones
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well said

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:39 | 1049731 Broomer
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Save face, indeed. You don't have idea of how far the Japanese can go to do so.

Here is a story from Japanese immigrants in Brazil.

Shindo Renmei - (???? "League of the Subjects' Path" in Japanese) was a terrorist organization composed of Japanese immigrants in the state of São Paulo, Brazil, active in the 1940s. Refusing to believe the news of Japan's surrender in the end of World War 2, some of its most fanatic members used violence against those who did. Shindo Renmei killed at least 23 people and wounded 147 others, all of them Japanese-Brazilians.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:49 | 1050132 Confuchius
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An interesting link, CD, true facts plus cutaway drawings and a detailed description of the design and construction of the GE power plants in Japan. This is a link from


Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:10 | 1049499 Tulli
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And what strikes me as beyond belief is that European equities appear numb. Actually, EuroStoxx 50 is positive as I write this. 

Do any humans, at all, trade equities any more?

Or did someone just change the correlation to Asian Equities to 0.0 and WOPR is trading accordingly?

Edit: Of course that what is happening is a monumental human catastrophe. I just hope that it ends up not being as bad as it appears, and that the Japanese can get back on their feet ASAP.

What a strange market...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:10 | 1049507 Cognitive Dissonance
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It's no longer a "market" at least by the definition I was taught 25 years ago. It's now a crime scene that is still active and not policed.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:11 | 1049510 John McCloy
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Straight up unending crime in progress. RICO trials are necessary just like with Cosa Nostra complete with corrupt politicians. Truly no different except the numbers are considerably larger with the Wall Street crime syndicate.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:43 | 1050118 snowball777
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Far less loyalty than your average mob capo though...they'd be rolling over and 'cutting deals' like it was M&A season.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:08 | 1049504 John McCloy
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   I despise when people decide amongst themselves what information is acceptable for the public. Nobody has any right to withhold information from you that compromises your safety for your supposed "own good". If thousands die because they did not wish to cause panic then inevitably isn't the supposed benefit moot of keeping quiet? 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:28 | 1049534 disabledvet
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the markets in the US will respond--negatively.  No matter the now hilarious lies that only reveal the ignorance of the media Mediocraty causes money to flee for it's life.  The fact that the clutches of the incompetent still maintain a grip on "organized" finance only makes the losses that much more staggering and "the clutchees" that much more "retarded"--with deference to "the retarded" since "having been queried why i like those people" have found that "God reserved them a genius simply lacking in the above average ignorant American phuck head" et al.  Now back to work...slave.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:28 | 1049874 ZapBranigan
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"the markets in the US will respond--negatively"


Not so fast DV...the markets have been full-retard for a couple of months now.  No telling what the markets will do as they have been extremely unpredictable.  Logic no longer applies...we'll find out in a couple of minutes.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:12 | 1049506 TheGreatPonzi
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"If true, this also means that the Japanese government is blatantly lying to its people and the world"

A government, lying? Impossible. They are as white as fresh snow. 

RIP for the 11 workers -- earlier reports said that the Reactor 3 Blast was inoffensive and/or normal.

CNBC even said it was needed and healthy to evacuate pressure. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:16 | 1049517 Cognitive Dissonance
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Even by my cynical standards I was amazed how the networks joined nearly in lock step to repeat this blatant propaganda.

Since we were warned in advance that there could be an explosion at unit three because of the buildup of bad explosive hydrogen gas and that this explosion has now taken place, which has dissipated the gas, the Japanese government is essentially saying the meltdown is progressing according to plan and schedule.

Now hurry up and switch back to large piles of debris and emotionally wrenching stories of tsunami heroes and survivors.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:21 | 1049526 robertocarlos
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The workers at number two reactor will show up for work today.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:58 | 1049608 sushi
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They are in the reactor as we speak.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:04 | 1049631 robertocarlos
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+1 You are making fun of my post from yesterday, :)

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:17 | 1049674 Jim in MN
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Just check the parking lot...need a live feed of the parking lot

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:19 | 1049684 sushi
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It was funny yesterday. Today it almost reeks of the truth. Whatever that is.


Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:44 | 1049743 Sudden Debt
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they better not scratch where it itches or it will come off....



Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:22 | 1049525 Confused
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"If true, this also means that the Japanese government is blatantly lying to its people and the people of the world."


There I fixed it. Can't imagine anyone in a position of power, in the US or elsewhere, aren't hip to the methods used to keep people calm. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:47 | 1049746 Sudden Debt
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Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:09 | 1049509 Mentaliusanything
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Well thats the only way to disprove the lie. Same thing in Chernobyl the scandinavians came to work and the alarms went red

Not surprising really. But give them (the Japanese) a nod they fought like Hell and now they own it.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:14 | 1049515 TheGreatPonzi
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In France, the government hid the truth about the nuclear cloud (which stopped in the Alpes, and was actually supposed to stop at the frontier). It caused quite a stir in the 1990s, after the alpine population saw a big increase in cancer cases and Geiger counters were detecting anormal radioactivity in water.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:15 | 1049512 Oh regional Indian
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hmmmm.... pentamom picked up this stuff. Of course, the Pentamom is to be trusted as much as the Japanese gobbermint, yes? Perhaps next we'll have the CIA telling us that it was nothing. Just a top hat being blown away by a big edamame fart.

We are probably now in full disifo mode, keeping everyone confused till the last possible minute.

The GOM minute is now coming to one year. 

The 9/11 minute is coming up to 10 years this year.

This could be a bloody long minute.


Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:21 | 1049522 Tric
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wtf did I just read?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:30 | 1049538 disabledvet
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"silence spoken out loud" i believe.  hard to tell.  still..."there is method to it."

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:39 | 1050106 goldfish1
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wtf did I just read?

Same reaction here.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:16 | 1049518 dipdude
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Fuel rods at No. 2 reactor of Fukushima No. 1 nuke plant fully exposed.

Source -

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:26 | 1049527 Lord Welligton
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Oh dear.

Not good.

Better link.

"Fuel rods at the No. 2 reactor of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant were fully exposed Monday, following Friday's deadly earthquake, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said.

The plant operator said water levels fell as fuel for pumps that are used for seawater injection operations ran out.

Tokyo Electric earlier said the cooling functions of the reactor had been lost and began injecting seawater into the reactor to cool it down.


Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:33 | 1049546 disabledvet
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of course there's the interesting question as to "whether the sea water being injected was part of any plan."  my understanding is "the sea water is entering without recourse to an alternative."  that does not strike me "as a plan" but "yet again an act of nature."  and of course "this sea water heats up and then causes a so called hydrogen explosion."  and "you are see thousand pound chunks of concrete be blown out a country mile."  so..."you gonna believe me or your lying eyes?"

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:37 | 1049554 Lord Welligton
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I agree entirely.

Sea water was never part of a "plan".

It's use is an act of utter desperation.


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