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Rally Killer? German Report Says "EMU States Can't Guarantee Other States' Debt"

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Confusion reigns day 2, only this time add a pinch of political dissent. Germany's ruling coalition of the Free Democratic Party and the Christian Democratic Union has commissioned a parliamentary report which concludes that "member states may not guarantee the debts of another member state" reports daily Handelsblatt.

Market News reports:

Germany's government is not allowed to help Greece, as such aid would violate European Union law, German business daily Handelsblatt reported Wednesday, citing an internal report from the German parliament.
The legal report also rules out any form of financing of the Greek budget through the ECB or national central banks.

"Moreover, member states may not guarantee the debts of another member state," the report argued.

From Dow Jones:

A German parliamentary report has concluded that many forms of potential aid to the Greek government would violate European Union regulations, the Handelsblatt newspaper reported on its Web site Wednesday.

The parliamentary report states that aid from the European Central Bank, the national banks of euro-zone members, as well as euro-zone governments, would violate EU rules, the Handelsblatt said, citing documents reviewed by its reporters.

"The member states also may not answer or stand in for the central government of a member state," the report says, according to the newspaper.

Members of the Free Democrats, the pro-business party that shares Chancellor Angela Merkel's center-right government, have reportedly urged the government to take the report seriously.

Euro-zone finance ministers are scheduled to discuss Greece's mounting budget woes in a conference call Wednesday afternoon.

And here is the Google translated section from Handelsblatt directly:

FRANKFURT / BERLIN. "For the bilateral aid, the same as for EU aid: they are not on the agenda," it said on Wednesday in German government circles. There are no plans for support of this kind. "The acquisition of debt by other countries (from the EU) is inadmissible, that says it all," said government representatives. The EU's current ban on a joint rescue operation for a country also applies to the national level. "Basically, the bail-out ban is not only for Community instruments, but also for bilateral," it said in the circles. "There's no doubt about the solvency of Greece. There is also no financing needs now, "it said.

An internal
report of a research department of the Bundestag, held by the
Handelsblatt, Moreover, it is having regard to current EU law, that the
Bundesregierug Greece may reach under her arms.
The Parliament's legal experts warn that Berlin before a rescue package. They exclude, in its opinion not only any form of financing by the Greek budget by the ECB and national central banks. "Also, a Member State shall
not be liable for the debts of the central government of another State,
or advocate," write the lawyers.
Explicitly states that: That's Germany was also bound

The legal view is shared by the chief economist of the Allianz Group, Michael Heise. He
recently showed in an interview with Handelsblatt online to possible
legal problems in Greece-Aid, since the Maastricht Treaty a "bailout",
an assumption of debts of individual countries by the community,
generally excludes.
Heise has therefore advised to provide EU aid
to state indebtedness "only in exceptional cases," but does not advance
in prospect, especially since the current financial distress of some
euro area countries not due "primarily to the financial crisis, but a
consequence of long-term budget deficits and partly creative accounting
is ".
Was therefore primarily to improve the prevention and the general discipline of the euro countries in good times. "Issue rules, as envisaged by the Advisory Council could help here," said Heise.

According to the violation of the FDP parliamentary report commissioned
report including financial support for Greece with the Treaty on the
Functioning of the European Union (TFEU), designed to ensure sound
fiscal policies in the Member States.
financial expert Frank Schäffler called on the federal government to
take seriously the opinion: "It does not help the alcoholic by him one
puts down a new bottle of liquor,"
said Schäffler.

what extent bankrupt EU countries by other EU countries can be helped
to actually be read by the Treaty on European Union (EU Treaty, EU
However, the wording of the 1992 Maastricht Treaty
signed in are vague and leave room for Intepretationen in one direction
or another.
Thus, for example, in Article 103 that
the European community, "not for the commitments of central governments
of Member States (...)"-like, the other opens up the possibility of
Article 100 to help.
It says: "If a Member State due
to exceptional events, is beyond its control, the difficulties or is
seriously threatened with severe difficulties, the Council may, acting
unanimously on a proposal from the Commission, the Member State under
certain conditions, Community financial assistance to grant."


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Wed, 02/10/2010 - 10:30 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 10:51 | Link to Comment Assetman
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If the Germans are resigned to bailout someone, I'm pretty sure they would choose a domestic bank over Greece.  I certainly agree with your sentiments.

I think the reality of the situation is that the Germans are (and should) rightfully demanding an austerity plan for Greece that can actually be enforced-- BEFORE any money is given.

The political situation in Greece is so dicey, though, that forced austerity will not sit well with a workforce realy to go on strike.

I'm not surprised the EU/Greece is exploring the IMF avenue-- but there will be austerity strings attached as well.

If the Greeks were fortunate and managed to get a no conditioned bailout package, I gather the French would be the ones funding it.

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:22 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:48 | Link to Comment A Man without Q...
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I agree - any financial arrangements must come after the strikes and riots etc, so the Germans don't get cast as the villains of the piece.

One of the big problems is the highly corrupt union heads in Greece, who see this as an opportunity to increase their personal power and the more they can destabilize the country, the better for them.

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:55 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 12:19 | Link to Comment bokapita
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If the Greeks were fortunate and managed to get a no conditioned bailout package, I gather the French would be the ones funding it.


What with?

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 15:33 | Link to Comment Assetman
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Chesse, wine, and old French Francs, I'd gather. LOL!

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:10 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:57 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Or not. Which is why i keep getting pointed to something happening at Deutshce Bank. I don't like some sort of karmic retribution for pumping billions of dollars into germany and hitler and causing a bunch of problems and then making the citizens carry the shame for it when it was all done by 3 freaking banks.

The fact that they are running thier own CIA, KGB type operations outside of the government facade may be opening them up to attack as well.

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Cursive
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Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives....

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 10:44 | Link to Comment Postal
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That's so wrong...


Wed, 02/10/2010 - 10:56 | Link to Comment IKEA Is Swedish
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On so many levels...

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:10 | Link to Comment tpberg7
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Guarantee Greek Debt?  A Socratic Fallacy!

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 10:38 | Link to Comment Going Down
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Here Comes the Calvary!


IMF help with Greece may be unavoidable

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - If the European Union can't quell concerns over Greece's debt burden, the International Monetary Fund may have to step in, whether or not its help is welcome.



Wed, 02/10/2010 - 10:46 | Link to Comment perchprism
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So the US contribution to the IMF via our taxes will be used to bailout Greece.  Great.  That's just swell.

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 10:48 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Did you really expect any other outcome?  Really?

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 10:59 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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And thus another round of Bailout Bingo commences. Who will it be next week? Stay tuned and find out.

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 10:46 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 10:48 | Link to Comment nogeithner (not verified)
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:01 | Link to Comment Missing_Link
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Oh Good Lord  ...  Not Cetin Hakimoglu!!!

Cetin, you already destroyed SeekingAlpha by posting thousands of trolling comments on every single SA post for the last several years.  You're an idiot permabull with no useful insights.

Please, please, moderators  ...  For the love of all things sacred, ban this horrible troll!

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:59 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 18:41 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 10:51 | Link to Comment Going Down
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Bloomberg Fail


See Financial Times' page dedicated to news and opinion on Greece.



Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:12 | Link to Comment infotechsailor
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Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:13 | Link to Comment nogeithner (not verified)
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:28 | Link to Comment Nout Wellink
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:29 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:30 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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PMs crash with the stock market because everyone is selling off to get cash for margin calls? Dollar up!

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:30 | Link to Comment bugs_
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USA on the hook for it all, not just Greece.

Euro at par.  Backed by the full faith and credit.

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 12:09 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:34 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Could the Big boys actually let things crash by not propping them up to sort of black mail tha EU into a big fat greek bailout? PPT is home cause it's snowing...heh heh

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:35 | Link to Comment Edna R. Rider
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It's my impression the rally was killed back in mid Jan.  Now the goal is to keep the market from crashing.

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:39 | Link to Comment Grand Supercycle
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No more counter trend rally: the SP00/DOW downtrend and the USD uptrend reasert their dominance yet again.

This is very bearish for equities.

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:43 | Link to Comment HEHEHE
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Why would they set the precedent of bailing out Greece knowing Spain, Portugal, Ireland, and Italy all will come next with hat in hand?  Especially as has been pointed out the German banks have all kinds of bad debts they've yet to recognize and will be crying for a bailout soon enough.

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:44 | Link to Comment georgetown (not verified)
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 12:11 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:47 | Link to Comment chindit13
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Strong bid in all the banks.  For the past nine months, when this has happened on down days, the market ramped up into the close.  Today's question is does this pattern repeat, or does fear of saying a final goodbye to the Dow 10,000 party win out in the end?

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:48 | Link to Comment mberry8870
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This will be interesting. It is clear that Greece will get bailed out by something. I want to know where it stops. The intersection between the idiocy of bailouts and the recognition of the implications of the bailouts will make for a very interesting trading day.


Coming to a movie theater near you, and very soon!

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 12:18 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/10/2010 - 12:34 | Link to Comment Eally Ucked
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There is no way out of this s..t. If they bail out one country the next week they will have 2 more to bail-out. Who's faster the better, there won't be bailouts for those at the end of the line-up! The same with states, no different situation here. What those guaranties from different governments mean? They have their own debts which have accumulated through decades, they could not even lower their own debt load and now they guarantee somebody elses' debt, what a pile of horse manure good for cretins!!! 

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 12:59 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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