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Rate Of Bank Charge Offs Surpasses That Set During Great Depression

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Mon, 10/26/2009 - 10:44 | 110552 Joe Sichs Pach
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"...the rate of increase in the absolute dollar value of charge-offs has also slowed significantly in the third quarter of 2009."

"absolute dollar value" meaning the value of the dollar is a lot less than it was a short time ago?  Therefore it has 'slowed significantly'...?

Tue, 10/27/2009 - 18:16 | 112283 Slewburger
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I agree... 'absolute dollar value' is a misnomer.


A dollar's value is instantanous and relative only.... maybe they mean a 'normalized value'.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 10:48 | 110557 Cognitive Dissonance
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This so reminds of something we've all probably experienced, usually as kids and often with siblings.

My older brother (by 2 years) and I were housed in the same closet (it was called a bedroom by our parents but it was 8 x 9 room with bunk beds, 2 dressers and assorted stuff) and often we would wind up on either side of the bedroom door pushing it as hard as we could in an attempt to shove the other person into the bedroom wall or out of the room.

But the same thing usually happened. Since we were about the same in height and weight, it was an even match and we stalled, pushing as hard as we could but going no where, with only the door separating us.

After a minute or two of this, we would exhaust ourselves to the point where one of us wanted to give up. BUT if we didn't perfectly time the release of the pressure against the door, one of us would get slammed in the face with said door.

Every time I think about the real world pushing down and the masters of the universe pushing up, I remember those times when one or the other of us would wind up running to mom crying our eyes out, blood dripping from our nose.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 10:58 | 110568 m.g. turner
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Mon, 10/26/2009 - 15:23 | 110799 chumbawamba
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The moral of this story: Be the door.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 17:59 | 110952 Anonymous
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Mon, 10/26/2009 - 10:50 | 110560 Ruth
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maybe it's the calm before another storm, but with today's current ingenuity and promoted risk tactics attitudes in today's market I would think this will be 'financially' worse than the great depression, but on the surface as the govt. can frost over practically anything we won't realize it til wallstreetpro posts another video.  Thanks, Tyler....do you EVER get tired of hearing that?;D

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 10:53 | 110564 mdtrader
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USDZAR for those paying attention!

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 10:58 | 110567 Rainman
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My most reliable prophet for estimated credit losses at the banks is my sister-in-law in Arizona. Her bank sits on her defaulted $ 1.4 million Option ARM, on which she has not made a single payment in one year. Not even property taxes. She still lives in the house. No 30 day and out notice as of yesterday. Amazing.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 11:04 | 110574 TraderMark
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it's a great country


one can "own" cheaper than it is to "rent"

a landlord would have kicked a person like that out 9 months ago...

banks? not much of a hurry to take their losses.

This is one way to stimulate the economy - imagine all those people in the country not making a mortgage payments... all that can be spent at the mall or car dealerships.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 11:17 | 110584 Bruce Krasting
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Interesting. Who the hell is sitting on that one? If it is a big name bank (or finco) I would love to know.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 12:17 | 110623 Logans_Run
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Tell your sister-in-law to be mindful of the arrival of a County Marshall. My sister in SoCal, who also had not made a payment on her liar loan of $1.1 in 13 months finally received the proverbial 30-day notice visit this last week.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 15:27 | 110804 chumbawamba
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See if she can round up 50 neighbors to surround the house and keep the sheriff out.

Time to start resurrecting some old GD tactics.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 18:02 | 110953 Rainman
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I won't tell her anything. Communicating with megalomaniac family members, especially in-laws, is something I desperately avoid. Thus, I do not know the bank holding the bag either, Bruce.

The County Marshall can have her.

She's been upside down more than a midget in a Tijuana strip club.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 11:01 | 110569 TraderMark
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Cool! So this means federal funds rate can stay at zero even longer so banks can out "earn" their losses

Did you see the boffo figures COF put out ? Love that spread!

Free money, boo yah!

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 11:03 | 110572 Oxytan
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So reading my own post on a related (Fed-buying-equity) thread I thought "What a moron!" he (I) doesn't get it!  They cannot keep the music playing foreever! 

The light went off after reading this article.  The financial system is supposed to exist in support of the real economy.  The game ends when the real economy wakes up and sees the financial system eating it alive.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 11:05 | 110576 TraderMark
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You've got it backwards


In America, the real economy is here to support the financial economy.

New paradigm and all.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 11:09 | 110577 Oxytan
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Oh, what a relief!  This time it IS going to be different!

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 11:14 | 110582 Anonymous
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On FDIC insured accounts. Several of my banks have been closed by the FDIC recently. Now my accounts are FDIC insured and that is acknowledged. But............... I have received notice from one bank that states that I must affirmatively claim the account now in the hands of the new bank. So the new bank doesnt necessarily acknowledge the account holder. This was shocking to me. The way it is written, the new bank could confiscate the cd account with any notice.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 13:55 | 110708 time123
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It will be interesting to see what will happen to earnings when new regulations take effect in the end of the year, requiring financial institutions to bring back into their balance sheet select items that are off right now. Hopefully the economy will be better, and the impact may be reduced, but nobody knows for sure at this time.

The timing signals for the XLF and KBE will help us figure out when to get in and when to get out.


P.S. I get my timing signals at http://invetrics.com

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 15:43 | 110815 Anonymous
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Go pimp your shit somewhere else. This isn't a stock picking site.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 18:55 | 111002 Rainman
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The new regs will not take place in my lifetime or yours. It's the fuse on the big bomb. The ignition would be 166/7. It must be doused and it will be.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 18:28 | 110976 greased up deaf guy
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"The graph below displays number of quarterly losses that major U.S. banks have incurred since the credit crisis began in the second quarter of 2009 and through the third quarter 2009."


i assume the first "2009" should read "2008".  not sure how else this graphic can squeeze up to six quarters of data out of less than a year.


i know, i know.  details, details... 

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 21:33 | 111166 Cursive
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I've heard a lot of people calling this the Great Recession.  I don't know if anybody's said this yet, but I'm going to start calling it the "Greater Depression."  Got the idea from this AH story.

Tue, 10/27/2009 - 02:41 | 111427 Anonymous
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I've heard "Greater Depression" before, but I suspect "New Dark Age" is more apropos of what's coming down the pike.

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