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Reactor Status Update And Fukushima Risk Q&A

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The following summarises what is happening at each unit, and the major risks:

WHAT STOPS A RADIATION LEAK?

Each reactor is surrounded by the primary containment vessel. This is
made of strengthened steel four to eight inches thick. It provides the
most critical line of defence against leaking radiation from the
reactor.

Should there be a breach, there is a final line of
defence to prevent radiation leaks, a bigger containment building made
of steel and concrete. A breach of the containment building would
release radiation into the atmosphere.

WHICH REACTORS ARE MOST AT RISK?

REACTOR No 3: 784-MW

-- What is happening:

TEPCO said on Wednesday that resolving problems at this reactor was the
top priority because it had the highest radiation levels. This reactor
is the only one that includes plutonium in its fuel mix.

The
operator has been pumping sea water into the reactor to prevent
overheating. The building housing the reactor was hit by an explosion on
Monday.

An attempt by a military helicopter to drop water on
the reactor failed on Wednesday probably because radiation levels were
too high, Kyodo news agency reported. The Japan nuclear agency had said
earlier in the day that the pumping of sea water was proceeding
smoothly.

TEPCO said the spent fuel pool may have heated up,
producing steam. The temperature has risen to around 60 degrees Celsius
from the usual 30-40 degrees, but the change was not critical, it said.

-- What are the risks:

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said on Tuesday that the
primary containment vessel, the first line of defence against a
radiation leak, appeared intact.

However, Chief Cabinet Minister
Yukio Edano said on Wednesday there is a "possibility" the vessel had
been damaged, Kyodo reported.

If that is the case, authorities
will be worried that radiation may leak through the first containment
wall into the secondary containment building.

The spent fuel
pools present a radiation risk if the spent fuel is exposed to the
atmosphere. When a rod is exposed to the air, zirconium metal on the
rods will catch fire, which could release radiation contained in the
fuel, said Arnie Gundersen, a 39-year veteran of the nuclear industry
who is now chief engineer at Fairwinds Associates Inc.

REACTOR No 4: 784-MW

-- What is happening:

TV on Wednesday showed smoke or steam rising from the facility after
flames were seen earlier. The reactor had been shut down for maintenance
when the earthquake and tsunami struck.

On Tuesday, a pool
where spent fuel is stored caught fire and caused an explosion. Japan's
nuclear safety agency says the blast punctured two holes around 8-metres
square in the wall of the outer building of the reactor.

TEPCO
has said it may pour water through the two holes within two or three
days to cool spent nuclear fuel that is inside. Workers cannot prepare
to pour water into the pool sooner because of high radiation levels,
Kyodo said.

Instead, TEPCO plans to bulldoze a road to the
reactor building so water-pump trucks can approach and hose water
inside, said Kazuya Aoki, a director of Japan's Nuclear and Industrial
Safety Agency.

-- What are the risks:

Exposure of spent
fuel to the atmosphere is serious because there is more radiation in the
spent fuel than in the reactor, said Gundersen. The spent fuel pool is
not inside a containment facility either.

"They need to keep
water in those pools because the roof over the building housing the
pools is already damaged and radiation will escape," he said.

The pools contain racks that hold spent fuel taken from the reactor.
Operators need to constantly add water to the pool to keep the fuel
submerged so that radiation cannot escape.

Exposing the spent fuel to the atmosphere will release radiation.

REACTOR No 2: 784-MW

-- What is happening:

An explosion rocked the plant on Tuesday, damaging a suppression pool,
into which steam is vented from the reactor to relieve pressure. The
roof of the reactor building is damaged, Jiji news agency reported.

TEPCO said on Tuesday the fuel rods were fully exposed. Kyodo reported
an estimated 33 percent of the nuclear fuel rods have been damaged at
the No 2 reactor.

However, on Wednesday, Japan's nuclear agency said the pumping of sea water into the reactor was proceeding smoothly.

-- What are the risks:

When fuel rods are no longer covered in coolant they can heat up and start to melt, raising the risk of a radiation leak.

The suppression pool is part of the primary containment vessel, which
is designed to prevent a leak, but the IAEA said the blast "may have
affected the integrity of its primary containment vessel."

Still, beyond the primary containment vessel is the containment
building, which is also designed to prevent radiation from escaping.

REACTOR No 1: 460-MW.

-- What is happening:

An explosion occurred at the reactor on Saturday. Kyodo reported on
Wednesday an estimated 70 percent of the nuclear fuel rods have been
damaged.

Authorities are pumping sea water into the reactor to
prevent overheating, and pressure levels were stable, Edano said on
Tuesday.

The Japan nuclear agency said on Wednesday the pumping was proceeding smoothly.

-- What are the risks:

The IAEA said on Tuesday the primary containment vessel appeared
intact. If the fuel rods in the reactor are not covered by coolant, they
can heat up and start to melt.

REACTOR No 5: 784-MW

-- What is happening:

The reactor had been shut down for maintenance at the time of the quake and tsunami.

TEPCO said on Wednesday water was being poured into the reactor and
that temperatures in the spent fuel pool were rising slightly.

-- What is the risk.

Reactor 5 and reactor 6 are seen less at risk than reactors 1 to 4.

REACTOR No 6: 1,100-MW

-- What is happening:

TEPCO said on Wednesday water was being poured into the reactor and
that temperatures in the spent fuel pool were rising slightly.

-- What is the risk.

Reactor 5 and reactor 6 are seen less at risk than reactors 1 to 4.

And a visual summary:

Source: Reuters

 


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Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:59 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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I just woke up, when did Unit 4 blow up? looks worse than Unit 1 and Unit 3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_zaPlWwQBs&feature=feedu

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:04 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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Looks like Unit 2 is next judging from these images.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:08 | Link to Comment bingaling
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Well they cant get to it due to high radiation levels . What does that mean ?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:19 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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Tyler reported that there were 2 - 8x8 meter holes blown out of the exterior walls of Unit 4 ... the images in my attachment shows that there are no walls left now. So, my question was/is, when did this happen?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:28 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I asked myself the same question. It appears it blew up just before Japan imposed a news blackout. Unfortunately the Digital-Globe satellite was uncooperative.

Remember when we were being told that the roof of unit 4 had been damaged by unit three's explosion. That was a lie. Then they said the roof of unit 4 was damaged by an unknown-at-the-time fire. That was a lie. It is crystal clear there was an explosion at unit 4 and it is now clear that the containment buildings for units 3 and 4 were breached. They claim the reactor vessels themselves are still sound. We shall see. But look at this devastation.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:30 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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Thanks CD

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:40 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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You're welcome.

BTW notice the hole in the side of the unit 2 building, the only building of the original 4 that remains intact, where "white smoke", presumably steam, is escaping. What a neat little square. Either it was penetrated by an explosion within the building or the "operators" blew it out to allow steam to escape. I vote number one unless someone on the ground had access to explosives and the knowledge to use them. Who knows though what's going on. It is a very clean hole for an uncontrolled explosion without damage to the sections on either side.

I can't remember which reactor had a stuck relief value, but I believe it was 2. Correct me if I'm wrong. Either way it now looks like the containment buildings (notice I am not saying the reactor vessels) of 3 of the 4 reactors have been breached.

Now......what about units 5 and 6?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:45 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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Thanks CD. Can't believe the government would lie about disasters and energy :/ Does anyone know the relative strengths of the primary containment vessel vs the secondary?  

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:00 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I found this marked up cutaway of unit one. I would expect the primary to be several orders of magnitude stronger than the building itself simply because it must contain the actual heat and pressure of the reaction. Remember that it is both metal and concrete. The little person down inside the torus can be used for scale. The concrete surrounding the reactors is several meters thick. The metal must be a foot or more, but I am completely out of my pay grade here.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:06 | Link to Comment Math Man
Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:34 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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thanks. So when they say the containment vessel may be "breached," what do they mean, a puncture, a fissure, an actual hole in the primary vessel? If that's the case, yikes. I'm sure this was discussed yesterday, but this "discount" design was criticized from day one and I thought I read that experts indicated that it would have an extremely high chance of inability to contain the contamination as the result of injuries..

  http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/15/terrific-containment-vessels-used-at-japanese-plant-have-long-been-questioned-by-nuclear-experts/  

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:59 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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One must always be careful to say never.......but short of damage inflicted (explosion etc) from outside of the primary containment vessel, the primary containment vessel will most likely not be breached from heat and pressure building up inside the vessel. However, vessel penetrations for vents, valves, pumps and pipes will most likely let go before the actual vessel breaks, cracks etc from heat/pressure buildup.

That said, if there is a fuel meltdown, where the fuel becomes so hot that it litteraly melts and flows or falls down to the bottom of the vessel, it is feared that the concentration of the 5,000F heat coming from the fuel that will pool at the bottom of the vessel might.........might.........melt it's way through the bottom of the vessel and the dozens of feet of concrete below the vessel.

The longer they can keep this from happening the better off they are because the decay heat will be dissipated over time. They are battling to prevent this from spiraling even further out of control. They need time and heat dissipation to save this disaster from increasing several orders of magnitude worse.

I repeat that this is above my pay grade and my comments are based upon extensive reading over the last 5 days.

edit. Remember also that anything directly connected and open to the vessel must share the vessel's strength. Meaning think about the weakest link in a chain. The torus is connected to the vessel via values, 81 inch values if I remember correctly. If the valve is open, then the pressure in the vessel is equal to the pressure in the torus. Thus if the torus has a leak, the vessel has a leak unless they shut the valve.....which removes some of the cooling ability. Pandora's box is open.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:56 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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CD, thanks for the research and information.

Not to defend anyone, I just want to point out that these reactors have been in service for about 40 years now, and in that time Japan has been rocked by numerous high magnitude earthquakes and not once (to my knowledge) was there ever a serious problem until this time.

Without a doubt, this was (literally) an Earth changing event.  I'm not sure how one can really fault the designers or the government for a design that held out for four decades through thick and thin, only to succumb to a magnitude 9.0 earthquake and numerous follow-on tsunamis.  I'd say it's a miracle something like this didn't happen sooner.

Just trying to offer perspective.  The actions of the Japanese government and the plant operators, to the extent that they're not giving the public--the People--valid and accurate information is reprehensible.  But I think it goes without saying that finding someone to blame at this juncture serves no one.

Who cares who is responsible at this point?  Japan seems to be majorly fucked , and recovery will be long and slow.  We won't know until the play ends.  More importantly for the rest of us around the world, we potentially have a global radiation plume to deal with, so I'd much rather see people comparing notes about what materials to stockpile and what kind of actions we should be taking rather than expressing their fear, shock and loathing.  What good does that do?

I picked up 500g of USP (pharmaceutical grade) potassium iodide yesterday from a local chemical supply house.  I paid $78 after tax.  You can find similar (even better) deals on eBay--or at least one could when I checked over the weekend.  I now have ~3,800 adult doses of KI that I can distribute if the need arises.  Good luck finding any commercial product right now as it is all sold out, and there is word coming out now that the government is commandeering whatever commercial supplies of KI are out there.

I put together a custom first aid kit last night from supplies I bought at the local Target.  I had a nice multi-niche portable gearbox that I stuffed with bandages, ointments, medical tape, etc., all very organized and ready to grab and go at a moments notice.  I'm making a second one that will go in my "ready" bag (a.k.a. bug out bag).

Speaking of which, I'm finishing up my ready bag.  I put together a huge list of stuff I'd want if I had to bug out of town on a moment's notice.  I suggest everyone get going on their own and commit to yourself to have it ready by the end of this week.  Just do it and get it over with.  A good bag can be assembled with what you have on hand and supplies you can find at the local dollar store or whatever for under $100.  Multiple lists of items to place in your BOB (Bug Out Bag) are available online.  Everyone has a different idea of what they'd need in an emergency, so I suggest you review the various lists and write-ups that various people have put out to get ideas, then create your own list based on what YOU think will be necessary for YOUR situation.  If you will be bugging out with family members in tow, make sure you stock enough extras for everyone, or have multiple ready bags for each family member.  I'm going to have at least two major bags in two locations, and a few smaller bags for the little Chumbas.

I realize all of this may be unwarranted, as the radiation may never rise high enough in the atmosphere to enter the jet stream and get distributed around the planet, but what's happening in Japan is just a chapter in a long story still being unwound.  It behooves you to heed my call and get prepared for anything and everything (with emphasis on the latter).

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:22 | Link to Comment J.B. Books
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Just to add, see the two tanks next to the top of the reactor - that is where they store spent fuel rods.  - NO CONTAINMENT....  if they melt I would think they will burn right to the bottom, past the reactor.

 

J.B. Books

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:45 | Link to Comment cossack55
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I think that was the door marked "Watercloset" for the newbie initiation.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:46 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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Looks like Unit 2 is next.

Unit 3 looks really bad, it's obvious that the storage area for the spent fuel rods is gone.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:51 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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Beyea, J., E.Lyman, and F.von Hippel. 2004. Damages from a Major Release of 137Cs into the Atmosphere of the U.S. (addendum to “Reducing the Hazards from Stored Spent Power-Reactor Fuel in the United States” by R.Alvarez, J.Beyea, K.Janberg. E. Lyman, A.Macfarlane, G.Thompson, and F.von Hippel, 2003. Science and Global Security, Vol. 11, pp. 1–51). Science and Global Security, Vol. 12, pp. 125–136.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:51 | Link to Comment bugs_
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hey guys its getting hot in here - can someone open a window?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 12:56 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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CD...in my view that 'neat little square' may just be the weakest panel/link which blew out under growing pressure and in doing so vented rather than blew off the roof. If you note the steel framing on 3 & 4(I'm counting right-left) it's a square grid of steel and likely panels are installed over that. Also, if you look at some of the side view pics of #3(I think), while the finish on the outside is a circular or octagon pattern, some of the panels sticking to the frame of the building are roughly square/rectangular in nature. Quite a bit of concrete construction these days is panelized. My .02 or .0112 after taxes...

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2011/0316/Reports-Lax-oversight-greed-preceded-Japan-nuclear-crisis 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I like your thinking but......

The concrete is massively reinforced with a maze of re-bar which is also welded at spots to the vertical steel columns as well as poured into the "U" of the column. Plus there are additional vertical columns and horizontal beams laced between the primary vertical columns. What I'm saying is that this isn't a "panel" if you meant a drop in panel.

But I do agree that the weakest point would be at the vertical steel columns. Just pointing out an outlier anomaly in the photo.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:38 | Link to Comment trillion_dollar...
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There's basically nothing left of the one billowing smoke/steam. Did each reactor have a spent fuel rod pool at the top?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:44 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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The Fukushima Daiichi plant has seven pools dedicated to spent fuel rods. These are located at the top of six reactor buildings – or were until explosions and fires ravaged the plant. On the ground level there is a common pool in a separate building that was critical damaged by the tsunami. Each reactor building pool holds 3,450 fuel rod assemblies and the common pool holds 6,291 fuel rod assemblies. Each assembly holds sixty-three fuel rods. In short, the Fukushima Daiichi plant contains over 600,000 spent fuel rods – a massive amount of radiation that will soon be released into the atmosphere.

http://www.infowars.com/alert-fukushima-coverup-40-years-of-spent-nuclea...

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:44 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Yup. And something not getting any press is the face that there is a 7th "common" spent fuel pool located on ground level that was flooded by the tsunami and damaged. Each of the reactors has a spent fuel pool near the top plus there is a much larger (supposedly twice the size of any of the other 6 pools) common pool on the ground. No news on it's condition.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:54 | Link to Comment trillion_dollar...
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CD, anyway you can label each reactor number in that pic? Would be helpful. Thx.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:04 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I don't have that capability. But number 4 is all the way to the left and 1 is all the way to the right.

The 2 wide buildings in front I assume are the turbine buildings. I assume this because of their location and the large pipes feeding into them in the back. I don't know this for a fact.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:26 | Link to Comment trillion_dollar...
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Very helpful. Thx.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:53 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Good stuff CogDiss.

Whose lyin' eyes do we trust eh?

ORI

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:10 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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The propagandist and apologist would have you believe that you can't trust your own eyes.

This is the root of my anger. The truth in many cases is out there to be easily found. But the average Joe has been conditioned to climb into the back of the bus and leave the driving to the powers. Always a bad idea if you want to arrive in one piece and with all your limbs attached.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:43 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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There comes that point in history when the average joe, enslaved and overworked by the corrupt system, spends some time to learn it then fight it. Most still seem to be in the chasing mode, trying to make ends meet. Hopefully, that will end soon  

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:22 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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WITHDRAW YOUR CONSENT

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:00 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Thank you. It was Effernesent.NOW lets get down to business!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:02 | Link to Comment DoctoRx
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Amazing how ZH proves its worth.  Tx

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:12 | Link to Comment umop episdn
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Time and time again, ZH does a stellar job of reporting. My thanks to all the Tylers involved. Show those faux journalists how it is supposed to be done, Tyler!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 12:24 | Link to Comment JoeSexPack
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You got that right! ZH is my first stop for news.

& the comments, like CG's reactor explanation, really help to explain what the MSM can't, or won't.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 12:25 | Link to Comment JoeSexPack
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Make that CD's explanation, thanx much!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:02 | Link to Comment westboundnup
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Where there's smoke, there's radiation.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:04 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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A breach of the containment building would release radiation into the atmosphere.

There is Cesium/Iodine detected in the atmosphere and drinking water can we assume this step has been reached?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:11 | Link to Comment sushi
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Yup.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:07 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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TEPCO said. IAEA said.

I put that in the same league as GIvernment Spokesman said.

And Military Spokeswoman said.

Oil is well. Oil is well.

Till it ain't.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/american-cross-nuclear-rumbles/

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:08 | Link to Comment strannick
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So much more helpful than, 'fire at #3 reactor. Reactor #2 roof's blown off'

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:12 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Operation "kill all rats and traitors" is now in progress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH6IHtPIDN0&feature=player_embedded

The Germans refused to go along with the no fly zone and Italy is refusing to take in refugees. Hmmm, the Europeans see the writing on the wall because they want to make nice with the old man. He is pissed and when this is over there will be shuffling of the deck about the things that Europe needs that he has. Ha ha ha . Number 1 fuckee will be France and Rothschild puppet and former Mossad operative, Sarkozy....

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:22 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Not to worry, the Colonel will lose his leverage when all the oil infrastructure is sabotaged into the Stone Age.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:31 | Link to Comment Shylockracy
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There is no such a thing as a "former Mossad operative".

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:15 | Link to Comment eigenvalue
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Plutonium is extremely poisonous. If remember correctly, 5 grammes of plutonium can kill the entire human race. 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:20 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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They were extreme idiots allowing whoever, to talk them into using mox. 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:27 | Link to Comment eigenvalue
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I think the Japanese wanted plutonium to be the fuel because plutonium can also be used to develop nuclear weapons.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:36 | Link to Comment BurningFuld
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The plutonium is coming from the dismantaling of the USSR and USA nukes.  Might as well get some use out of it plus storage is expensive...also it may fall into the wrong hands and end up in a dirty bomb. Oh wait it did.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:10 | Link to Comment flattrader
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Part of the From Megatons to Megawatts to Megadeath Program.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:15 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Time to take those Potassium iodide pills. 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:20 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Worry not my ZH brothers,

The always effervescent E. Burnett on the Ministry of Truth [CNBC] has just announced that all is well.  The good news...reactors number 5 & 6 should be fine, or so the Japanese government told her so.  In addition, Ms. E. Burnett is now injecting reactors 1-4, which are in various states of ruin and on again off again in flames,  with copious amounts of her adorableness.

All is fine.  All of us just need to get more comfortable putting our fate in the hands of foreign governments and Ms. E. Burnett.

I love Big Brother...and so do you.

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:22 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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One day soon, GE will be only a faint memory. What happens to them then?  NO company, no retirements, no nothing. Mark will have to sell his boat and live off of social security benefits.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:28 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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double post

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:22 | Link to Comment eigenvalue
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The Turd calls Erin Burnett "A-Cup". I don't know how the Turd know Erin Burnett is "A-Cup" unless he had some hands-on or maybe mouth-on experience in the past.;)

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:50 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Methinks the Turd's standards are a little.....no a lot higher than that.  A-cup would be OK for a friday night 3 AMer in you throw in some bags.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:20 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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They need to release the radiation measurements from the 'down' SPEEDI system that seemed to work fine with some missing data points before last night.

There's no other way to know what is happening from a public health standpoint. 

Complete confusion--signs and signals: 

--The Ministry of Sports, Watercolors and Well Science N Stuff (rough translation) was given the responsibility to collect radiation data from all the prefectures and release it twice a day.  Last night they said they had the data but refused to release it, directing reporters to the Prime Minister's office.

--The Self-Defense Forces were asked to help with helicopters but were unable to get into action due to bureaucratic snafus.

--The government ordered TEPCO to get water on unit 4 immediately to "avert an imminent nuclear catastrophe" and were that they weren't "able to prepare" on Tuesday.  Maybe Wednesday.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:26 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Jim,

I think what you meant to say was that you love Big Brother.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:38 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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I love big brother.  Kind of like a woman in a battered women's shelter loves her husband.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:45 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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mmmmmmffff (mouth full of soma).....drrooooolllll....

yeah, love, right on

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:21 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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I am FReaKiNG out.  At 7:20 am I got home from dropping my son off at school, got out of my car and saw no less than 10 jets and chem trails criss crossing the sky above (way above) my neighborhood.  They were at it for 1 1/2 hours.  I'm afraid to go outside. (I'm in SE North Carolina)

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:23 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Is there one place in the United States or Canada that this is not going on?  The days here can start off crystal clear with a blue sky and by the time they get through it is hazy.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:26 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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I will never forget the multiple sonic booms and concentric circles of contrails filling the blue sky over our ranch at the Cali-NV border, after they lost a stealth fighter back when they were sooooo super-secret that they made the pilots do low level flying in the pitch dark.  Sometimes they got disoriented and crashed.

Just about the time the Revell Corp. plastic model was advertised in the back of a comic book.  D'oh!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:35 | Link to Comment ZackAttack
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I see jets from Douglas, Cherry Point and Raleigh crossing over all day long, sometimes no more than 30 seconds apart, for hours on end.

I asked one of my aviator friends about it. He should me the routes they are required to take to avoid overflying cities and noted that many routes hug the coastline.

I would frankly not worry. This is a very high-traffic area for airliners and military planes.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:47 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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This is a very high-traffic area for airliners and military planes.

I know...I've been here for 6 years, but I've NEVER seen anything like this before.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:47 | Link to Comment falak pema
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It's just a male, macho, testosterone spree in the air. Top guns letting off popping steam. Too juiced up to keep it in. Must have had a bad night without puss in boots...to be out in the air so early, their flying dicks streaming white plumes..

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:04 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Huuuuh! That is good imagery Falak and very accurate too.
Was at an air show recently.
The fighters look like rather large...ummmm.....what's the word....compensation devices...if you know what I mean.

ORI

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:20 | Link to Comment gordengeko
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/15/eveningnews/main20043554.shtml

Some mighty brave souls here to sacrifice themselves for other people.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:27 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Yep suits or no suits. They are dead men walking. They are giving their lives for their country. Many of them lost their families in the earthquake. So I guess they figure why not. There is nothing to live for anyway.  Would I do it? Hell no........

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:32 | Link to Comment gordengeko
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It's actually a good feeling to know there are still humans on this planet left that have a cause worth dying for, protecting other humans.  No offense

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:45 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Well Geko. all good patriots will get their chance soon enough. When I spoke about this situation, I was being specific and not meaning I am that way about everything. Soon, we might have to earn our TCB (taking care of business) patches here in this country. Are you ready to party?......

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:51 | Link to Comment falak pema
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t'es plus con que ton avatar...povre tache.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:01 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Fous le camp......

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:01 | Link to Comment gordengeko
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I agree, but I think this is a more of a species type of thing rather than a demographical survival issue.  There are a lot of souless people(?) that care only about corporate profits and seem to have hidden agendas, is more of what I was referring to.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:04 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Did you know that Tyler Durden is a Colonel in the Manhattan Militia. He is in charge of propaganda. They don't allow too many guns over there, so all militia members are taught to effectively use rolled up new york times newspapers as weapons......

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:07 | Link to Comment gordengeko
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of which I'm a proud card carrying member.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:11 | Link to Comment gordengeko
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of which I'm a proud card carrying member.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:27 | Link to Comment Neutron_Boy
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You all need a basic lesson in nuclear physics.

There is a basic difference between radiation and radioactive material.  Radiation being emitted from the nuclear fuel is a local concern, because it dissipates very quickly with distance.  The concern most people have is that radioactive material will be carried in the prevailing wind to wherever "they" are.  The radioactive material will also dissipate over distance, especially since the metals are heavy.  The radioactive gases are light.  Therefore, a problem for the Japanese, maybe, not so much for the USA.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:32 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Oyay, another one.  Here, let me:

1. folks here are more concerned about Japan losing its largest area of arable, buildable land than long distance or global fallout.

2. although there are scenarios that could affect the US, however improbable; you are most likely too book-dumb to have any experience with practical assessment of risk or long range transport of heavy metals.

3. thanks anyway for your condescension. 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:42 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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Thank you for addressing that comment in a much more tactful manner than I would have been able to.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:36 | Link to Comment hardcleareye
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++

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:45 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Hey Kudlow, shut the fuck up.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:10 | Link to Comment Crumbles
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And YOU need a basic grounding in Physics.  

1) The fuel inside the zirconium rods is self-heating and melts around 1135 degrees C, boiling at 4135 or so ...

2) Zirconium melts around 1850 degrees and the still-getting-hotter molten fuel spill out quickly thereafter.

3) All of the metal components react violently with water and produce metal oxides as particulate which is lethal.

From a HASMAT insert for zirconium ...

Unusual Fire & Explosion Hazard:  Do not spray water on burning zirconium.  Carbon dioxide is not effective in extinguishing burning zirconium.

If a fire starts in a mass of wet metal fines, the initial fire  may be followed by an explosion.  Therefore, when in doubt, personnel should retire and not attempt to extinguish the fire.  The explosive characteristic of such material is caused by the steam and hydrogen generated within the burning mass.

All that "steam" coming out of the buildings is likely mixed particles of water and radioactive metallic compounds near the size of water vapor.  They float.  And get on skin and in the lungs.  And you die.

 

Even in the USA.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:27 | Link to Comment aztrader
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Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:29 | Link to Comment ptoemmes
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Would someone provide a summary of which buildings there are spent fuel pools?  Is it just 4?  I assume not in 1 or 3 which "blew up" or it would be BIGger NEWS.  Unsure about 5 or 6 and unsure in general.

Thanks,

 

Pete

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:35 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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All 6, plus a whole building full besides.  Over 10,000 spent fuel assemblies on site.

On the plus side, they were almost out of room for any more, so they don't have to worry about that now.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:27 | Link to Comment aztrader
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Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:30 | Link to Comment Sweet Chicken
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Last I heard there weren't even workers on the site any longer. Has this changed? I hope.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:36 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Sweet Chicken,

What do you mean?  When workers abandoned a nuclear reactor in flames, that is bullish, man!  Why would you want the workers to return to the nuclear plant that is various stages of ruin, flames, and melting?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:38 | Link to Comment Sweet Chicken
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Wait please clarify. Do you mean leaving is bullish or staying is bullish?! ;)

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:45 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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Both.  Staying is bullish for for the dollar.  Leaving is bullish for equities.

Now go buy a dip.  Any dip.  Just buy one.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:51 | Link to Comment Sweet Chicken
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Well played.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Well, I don't know...but I do know that apparently Apple does not have a concrete containment building, nor does it have a lead apron...this or the shares of Apple cannot be used to put out the flames at reactors 1, 2, 3, or 4.

...which by the way would make the usual BTFD move on equities quite hazardous...maybe like catching falling radioisotopes?

The 50 day sma has now failed.

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:38 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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No.

In fact recently the situation has been described as "the point of no return" and "sending in workers at this point would basically be a suicide mission"

http://abcnews.go.com/International/japan-nuclear-crisis-rising-radiation-levels-halt-fukushima/story?id=13146516

BTFD this is good for 1,000 DOW points

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:42 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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So now I guess the question is...

What happens if the Corium escapes the containment vessel(s) ?

Nightmarish.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:41 | Link to Comment spanish inquisition
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Guess it time to start buying lead.

http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/Lead.html

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:56 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Been buying it in 230gr and 123gr pointy pieces for years. Always room for more.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:53 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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45 and 7.62 x 39???  The price of both are coming down...  thankfully...  Getting an AK, saiga, sks, or ~g3 clone to cycle the cheap 7.62 ammo is easy...  handguns are a little more picky in my experience. 

In the process of drafting the business plan/marketing/start-up plans for my pawn shop...  already have prospective worker(s) lined out...  and capital...  just need to do the homework for a successful launch.  I figure, worst case scenario, I'll get to look at some awesome gun porn and have a stash of cool stuff that doesn't depreciate much.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 12:18 | Link to Comment spanish inquisition
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Not exactly sure how it's used in the aftermath or if it will be needed, but was also thinking Japan may need a few hundred thousand tons.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:55 | Link to Comment Kina
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So we have to think of the next out of left field Black Swan event. since it is only March.

 

Earthquake SF?

Political Assasination in ME?

Large Meteorite?

Massive floods somewhere again

Yellowstone

Iceland Volcanoes go critical

Terrurist attack on SA oil fields....

 

 

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:50 | Link to Comment justtotaketheedgeoff
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My brother-in-law picking up the check for dinner.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:39 | Link to Comment nonclaim
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Political Assassination in ME?

The consequences could be devastating to the region, regardless of who did what to whom.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:38 | Link to Comment honestann
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Thanks.  Excellent information summary, but it lacks important information.  For example:

#1:  Please state what are the mass and composition of the rods in the innermost vessel of each reactor (the rods that were supplying power before the shutdown).

#2:  Please state what were (and are) the mass and composition of the rods in the "cooling ponds" directly above each reactor.  Also state what percentage of each rod in these cooling ponds is now plutonium.  Note that some percentage of uranium is converted or "enriched" into plutonium even in those rods that did not initially contain any plutonium.

#3:  For each reactor, have any explosions or other events ejected any rods or pieces of rods from the "cooling ponds"?  This appeared to happen in the explosion of reactor #3, but what we saw ejected high into the air during the explosion may or may not have been what it appeared to be (some or all of the cooling pond assembly and its contents).

#4:  For each reactor, is it known for certain (by direct visual or remote video observation) whether its cooling ponds are still completely intact and no rods have been ejected out of those cooling ponds?  Or is this simply an assumption?

Adding the above information will make your excellent summary much more helpful in estimating future events and their likely consequences.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:59 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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 It looks like there is some confusion about the source of the fire, which the IAEA reported was “at the spent fuel storage pond.” Keith Bradsher and Hiroko Tabuchi in the New York Times quote an “American official” saying the “fire there may have been caused by machine oil in a nearby facility.”  This is good news, but it also means I am trying to doing too much.  I am taking the rest of the night off.

FEPC has released another statement that confirms the spent fuel at Reactor 4 burned for about three hours before they were able to put it out.

This is very bad news — yesterday, I noted this was the wildcard scenario. The radiation release was very large — detectors recorded a measurement of 400 millisieverts per hour. Milli, not micro.  People can stop with the comparisons to airline flights or X-rays, unless you get your X-rays performed at DARHT.

If you are scoring at home, most folks I know seem to think we are at INES 6 now, heading for 7 (and the Ch-word) unless TEPCO catches a break.

 

Update to Information Sheet Regarding the Tohoku Earthquake

The Federation of Electric Power Companies of Japan (FEPC) Washington DC Office

As of 11:00AM (EST), March 15, 2011

  • Radiation Levels

o      At 10:22AM (JST) on March 15, a radiation level of 400 milli sievert per hour was recorded outside secondary containment building of the Unit 3 reactor at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station.

o      At 3:30PM on March 15, a radiation level of 596 micro sievert per hour was recorded at the main gate of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station.

o      At 4:30PM on March 15, a radiation level of 489 micro sievert per hour was recorded on the site of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station.

o      For comparison, a human receives 2400 micro sievert per year from natural radiation in the form of sunlight, radon, and other sources. One chest CT scan generates 6900 micro sievert per scan.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:30 | Link to Comment QEsucks
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400 millisievert= 40 rem roughly 40 rad/HR not quite tanning under a LINAC but definitely not healthy. As I131 is being blown out, I'd probably give the Iosat to the kids and as 137Cs is too,I'd book the crew on a holiday to Disney World. in Orlando. screw the lines.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:55 | Link to Comment infinity8
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Jesus Christ my head is going to explode! wtf with "we'll spray some water on it in 2-3 days"?!?! Is everyone in charge assuming that the plant gave off a couple radioactive farts that will dissipate into the atmosphere by then and radiation levels will be way down? Seriously, do we not have some bad-ass Hollywood-style technologically advanced suits and other equipment that should be getting dispatched STAT? Are the people in charge here and in Russia and in China, etc. talking on some big red phones and coming up with a plan? Inquiring minds want to know.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 12:51 | Link to Comment Convolved Man
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How about dropping ice cubes or water balloons from the International Space Station on its next pass over the nuclear facility.

What amazes me is the continuous drone of how this incident is not all that bad since we cannot conclusively prove any of the reactors melted down or ruptured.  I dare anyone to take the photograph posted above by Cog. Dis. to any technician at an operational nuclear facility and try to convince them that things are not as bad as they look.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:04 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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