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The Real Reason That - For the First Time Ever - More Women are Working Than Men

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For the first time ever, at least half of all American workers are
women. In addition, mothers are the primary breadwinners or
co-breadwinners in nearly two-thirds of families.

These are the findings from a new report called The Shriver Report: A Woman's Nation Changes Everything, put out by Maria Shriver, wife of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The Shriver Report will receive widespread media coverage this upcoming week.

While
the mainstream media is heralding these findings as showing that women
have achieved gender equality with men, the true meaning of these
statistics is actually quite different.

As Wendy Norris, an investigative reporter based in Denver pointed out
in a recent interview, the "equality" of women in the workforce is the
result of the severity of the financial crisis and the resulting
unemployment among men. Specifically, it is well-known that men have suffered the majority of job losses from the rising tide of unemployment hitting America.

Norris also points out that these are lower-paying jobs, as women typically earn less then men.

So what is being celebrated as a sign of progress and equality is
actually an indication of the severity of the unemployment crisis in
America.

 

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Mon, 10/26/2009 - 14:26 | 110739 Anonymous
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Sun, 10/25/2009 - 22:05 | 110330 torabora
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There are more women than men because they will do the work that illegal aliens either can't or won't do.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 00:09 | 110411 Anonymous
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+1

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 20:38 | 110278 Johnny G.
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Here are the things women have invented:

Alphabet blocks Adeline D. T. Whitney 1882 Apgar tests, which evaluate a baby’s health upon birth Virginia Apgar 1952 Chocolate-chip cookies Ruth Wakefield 1930 Circular saw Tabitha Babbitt 1812 Dishwasher Josephine Cochran 1872 Disposable diaper Marion Donovan 1950 Electric hot water heater Ida Forbes 1917 Elevated railway Mary Walton 1881 Engine muffler El Dorado Jones 1917 Fire escape Anna Connelly 1887 Globes Ellen Fitz 1875 Ironing board Sarah Boone 1892 Kevlar, a steel-like fiber used in radial tires, crash helmets, and bulletproof vests Stephanie Kwolek 1966 Life raft Maria Beaseley 1882 Liquid Paper®, a quick-drying liquid used to correct mistakes printed on paper Bessie Nesmith 1951 Locomotive chimney Mary Walton 1879 Medical syringe Letitia Geer 1899 Paper-bag-making machine Margaret Knight 1871 Rolling pin Catherine Deiner 1891 Rotary engine Margaret Knight 1904 Scotchgard™ fabric protector Patsy O. Sherman 1956 Snugli® baby carrier Ann Moore 1965 Street-cleaning machine Florence Parpart 1900 Submarine lamp and telescope Sarah Mather 1845 Windshield wiper Mary Anderson 1903

 

And here are the things men have invented:

Everything else.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 03:09 | 110459 MsCreant
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I am a woman. I have diminished intelligence according to you, because I am a woman. If not that, why don't you spell out for me what you mean by this post. I'm too fucking stupid to get it.

You wanted this confrontation. Here I am. Wonder what you will say next?

Fight club.

Bring it!

BTW, your post of things women have invented/discovered is woefully incomplete. For starters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie

http://inventors.about.com/od/womeninventors/Women_Inventors.htm

Are you "special" by some chance? There should probably be another rule in fight club.

#It is not appropriate to let a special needs person in the room to fight.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 10:52 | 110563 Johnny G.
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You are speaking specifically, about yourself.  I am speaking generally about the difference between the male and female of the species. 

Most women do different jobs then men, because women aren't willing to leave their children for extended periods of time.  They are late for work, because their toddler had a runny nose.  They are unable to work into the night because somebody has to pick up the kids from day care.  They are the care givers in their families; and therefore less capable to be far from home.  I, personally, would be unwilling to hire someone that works less hours for the same money.  I don't know what you do.   Certainly some women are capable traders.   I myself, haven't invented anything.  I do not feel superior to you, as an individual.  I am, however, willing to travel for my job and be away from my children for weeks at a time.  My wife, and most women that I know of, would be unwilling.  If I had to, I could be away from my family six months a year.  Most women could not.

The very fact that there are teeny, tiny lists of inventions/accomplishments by women highlights the fact that we are not equal.  Note, I did not say better, I said equal.  There are no women that have ever held title to the world chess championship.  Perhaps chess is not important.  There are no Navy women fighter pilots that fly from carriers.  Perhaps landing on a carrier is not important.  Perhaps our society places undue accolades upon invention?  Perhaps more attention ought to be paid to adequately raising our youth?

I don't have any answers to those questions.  But we are clearly different beyond the physical parts.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 17:31 | 110930 MsCreant
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Johnny G.

Your post #110278, is what I am addressing. I am going to rephrase my question, because you did not answer it:

Why did you post that comment? Let us ride with it that women invent fewer things than men do (some folks argue women invented agriculture and many other things that patents did not get handed out for, but hey, I am going off on a distracting tangent with this, claiming that women have done a lot more than they have been given credit for). I still ask, so what? What do you want your reader to take away from your comment?

The topic of GW's thread that you and I are having this exchange on is something to the effect of "The real reason that women are more of the work force now." And comment #110278 is what you choose to post on this thread. It did not look like an answer to someone else's comment. Like a quaker at a prayer meeting, you felt moved, and that is what you posted.

You are having an exchange with a female professor at a state university. I am not late to work (eh, okay, here and there I might be 5 minutes late to class but it is not because of my family responsibilities, it is because of putting out other people's fires they mindlessly set). I have a solid vita, no brag, just fact. I win awards here and there. I have one for teaching, I have a couple for things I have written, I have one for "researcher of the year." I am not exceptional, but I do my job.

I ask it again. Why did you post what you posted? What was it you wanted to communicate to readers about the topic of women being employed more than men?

Thanks for engaging me in a civil tone. I apologize for my tone.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 20:34 | 111093 Johnny G.
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Aha.  I understand.  I didn't intend to infer that all men were great; as a matter of fact, I feel quite the oposite.  Most men aren't great.  I didn't properly phrase my post in response to what angered me.  My response was angled towards the post which stated,

"Men work in Mining. Mining is not green.
Men work in Oilfields. Oilfields are not green.
Men work in Forestry. Cutting trees is evil.
Men work in Construction. Construction has imploded.
Men work in Commercial Fishing. Anti-dolphin."

However, my opinion is that yeah "men work in mining...", and whoever posted that mens' work is "evil" is lucky men are willing to do that work at all; because women wouldn't (not saying that you wouldn't; just women in general).  And since we still need mining, oil, wood, construction and fish - it's a good thing "we" don't rely on women to provide those items for society.

But that's not to say that you can't work on a fishing boat.  I'm saying men are willing to work harder work in order to provide income (Perhaps because they're not smart enough to do other things?  Perhaps because they're better suited to carry heavy machinery into the forrest?)

I apologize if you assumed that I thought men were better.  I think men and women are different to the core.  I'm quite happy that I don't have to climb into bed with a man at night - but I'm also pleased that women don't feel that way.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 18:51 | 110221 Anonymous
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Men work in Mining. Mining is not green.
Men work in Oilfields. Oilfields are not green.
Men work in Forestry. Cutting trees is evil.
Men work in Construction. Construction has imploded.
Men work in Commercial Fishing. Anti-dolphin.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 20:21 | 110267 Printfaster
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The only green jobs are government jobs.

Ipse dixit.

By the way you forgot ranching, wrangling, butchering, trucking, transportation, brewing, electronics hardware, sewage treatment, farming among others.

 

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 20:14 | 110259 MsCreant
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Create an indentity for yourself that creatively matches these sentiments and post more. You may or may not be right but we will benefit from your thoughts.

Maybe you could post as Mother Earth is a Beautiful Bitch, Green Goddesses Revenge, something like that. My names are not meant to insult, just priming your creative pump.

Avatars are easy. Copy some images you like, see what will fit.

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&sa=1&q=mother+earth+&btnG=Se...

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&sa=1&q=earth+goddess&aq=0&oq...

Say Hi to me if you do.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 17:01 | 110143 loup garou
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Fellows, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pocket, you’d better use them to call the tailor.

Stay thirsty, my friends.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 17:14 | 110150 _Biggs_
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This site is so great.  Even the most interesting man in the world showed up today.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 18:15 | 110200 Unscarred
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

+10,000

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 15:54 | 110107 Anonymous
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Real reason...everyone is gutted like Alabama

After the Billionaires Plundered Alabama Town, Troops Were Called in ... Illegally

One of the creepiest details to emerge in the shooting rampage were reports that troops from nearby Fort Rucker were brought into Samson and other surrounding areas to patrol the streets. This is a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, every freedom-loving American's worst nightmare.

You see, thanks to a combination of corporate-tax holidays (which reduce local revenues), billionaire greed like the sort that bankrupted Pilgrim's Pride, and Wall Street investment-banking scams on places like Alabama that result in corrupted local officials and bankrupted municipalities, counties and states -- now, there's no money left to fund local police forces, as the U.S. Army report reveals:

That meant squeezing lower-middle-class workers for more work for less pay, or in Pilgrim's case, more work for no pay: In August 2007, the U.S. Department of Labor filed a lawsuit against Pilgrim's Pride accusing it of grossly undercompensating its employees. That same year, 10,000 Pilgrim's Pride employees launched a class-action lawsuit demanding compensation for their work.

Last month, 64 percent of Pilgrim's Pride was sold to JBS, a Brazilian beef giant, making it the largest meat company in the world, topping America's Tyson. The American cattle industry tried to block the deal, which it says could result in the destruction of the American beef industry, but the Justice Department already approved JBS' takeover.

On the other side of the deal, serving Gold Kist, was Merrill Lynch, which also collapsed last year. But Merrill's banker in the Pilgrim's Pride acquisition is still doing well, thank you very much. In fact, he was recently hired by JPMorgan Chase as vice chairman of mergers and acquisitions.

Which makes perfect sense, because JPMorgan Chase has been laying waste to Alabama on a level that makes Pilgrim's Pride's destruction look downright humanitarian. JP Morgan Chase has plundered so much wealth from one county in Alabama, using a complex derivatives scheme and old-fashioned bribery, that some locals are calling it "Armageddon."

So far, it's clear that Birmingham and the entire Jefferson County are following the wretched script of a typical Third World scenario, where the Wall Street bankers corrupt the politicians and eventually bankrupt the place and then, while the corpse is still warm and the bankruptcy deals are cut, Wall Street makes sure it's first in line to profit off the chaos it created, while its corrupt local shill (in this case Birmingham's mayor) takes the fall for the crime of accepting the JP Morgan bribes … and the locals get screwed worst of all, paying off the bill for years or decades.

http://tinyurl.com/yjefan6

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 20:18 | 110263 Anonymous
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The people of Birmingham chose the mayor. They chose poorly.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 15:08 | 110087 Stoploss
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Thank GOD i have a large penis.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 16:44 | 110136 defender
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ummm, you do realize that you have to start measuring from the one side of the ruler, not the twelve side....right?

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 13:46 | 110051 JR
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Statistics show that over the past decade the private sector has shed about 588,000 jobs and government has added around 2,000,000.  The increase in the number of women joining the workforce has been a major part of this public sector increase.

Women are often more adapted to government employment than men. They vote in much larger percentages for government.  They are overwhelmingly for an increase in government programs: government schools, government welfare, government social care, government planning, women political candidates who favor government programs.  And they fit well in following paper-work orders as the managers of government, under the government.  It’s a sort of the-hand-that-rocks-the-cradle on a massive one-big-family scale.

Unfortunately, this has played into the hands of the elitists whose goal is a worldwide leveling of mankind into slave-like work units--human resources--which necessarily means the destruction of the home and the family unit.  Already, the results are seen.  Those born between 1946 and 1964, i.e., most baby boomers, have had to live “within their means” on the paychecks of two wage earners, instead of one. Children often come home to an empty house, if they come home.  Care of infants is often left in the hands of the state.

By 1983, a 30-year-old baby boomer needed to commit 44 percent of his income to meet the carrying charges on a median-priced house.  That same year, 65 percent of all first-time baby boomer homebuyers needed two paychecks to meet their monthly payments.

By the end of the 1970s, Fortune magazine estimated that baby boomers had effectively lost ten years’ income when compared with the earnings of the generation just preceding them.  Changes in the corporate world through the 1980s exacerbated the problem. “Downsizing,” “streamlining,” “merging” and “offshoring” by major corporations eliminated whole levels of middle and upper management… Belt-tightening measures in the 1980s forced boomers to be content with lower wages and smaller wage increases.

It was predicted in the 1990s salaries would “probably barely keep up with the cost of living and taxes”…and that has continued to present day.  Americans have long complained that their incomes are stagnated.

Said the UK Daily MailOnline in 2008: “Some economists there (the US) claim that in real terms the average male full-time salary is no higher than it was in the 1970s.”  -- from UK Standard of Living Rises Above That in America for the First Time in a Century

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 14:07 | 110060 kevinearick
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I tried to help you and you flagged me.

Good luck.

This modern service oriented economy is going down the rat hole, and the next one is going to be more technical by an order of magnitude.

I am all for everyone participating and carrying their share of the load, and women have an opportunity, if they get in on the ground floor, like the ones working on these blogs.

I brought a lot of young women into enterprise architecture and trained many women that went on to become executives, but the multi-nationals are not touchy feely types. They are going to take everything off the table they can, while they can, and use anyone they can that is willing to participate.

When they cut 20% out of medicare in the face of a demographic winter, who do you suppose is going to bear the brunt of those cuts? We are on the verge of replacing education wholesale, and state tax revenues are falling like a rock because America can no longer muscle a levy on the distribution of all energy around the world, to continue subsidizing this old economy.

A lot of people got spoiled. People don't like to change, but economies are replaced faster and faster all the time, and they get left behind. That's natural selection. This time around, they intend to slaughter entire herds. 

It's a race between liquidation and speed to disclosure, and generally speaking, the kids are the only ones elastic enough to get across the strait before the falsework collapses. Everyone else fights over ownership of the bridge, right up until the oncoming wall of water takes it out. 

 

 

 

Evolution collects maladaptive behavior like a magnet, turning it into a blackhole, right up until the last fool buys a ticket, then it ignites, and starts over. Stay out ahead of that edge, but beware, blackholes grow in quantum. They collect non-performing assets, until the internal pressure ignites them, and that blackhole is about to get big fast.

Enterprise architects keep the kids out in front of that edge. Right now, no one but the strongest swimmers should be in the water. Most are better off building on their talents to intersect with the growth of the new economy. Get as far away from that edge as you can. Don't be surprised if you feed the bear by hand, and it eats you.

 

Typical old economy problem:

top ten symptoms

10) programmers don't break in, their code breaks out

9) many of the people who created security problems are providing security

8) ineffective code management drives power demand

7) unexpected input fills the buffers

6) its embedded across the global financial system

5) it's embedded across global distribution systems

4) it's married to best business practice and objective based management

3) repeated calls to sub-procedures topple the system

2) its an inverted pyramid

1) it was employed as an economic hub

(and they pissed off a lot of programmers)

which company?

I shouldn't have to tell you these things.

Filter the symptoms, monitor speed to disclosure, and calculate the effect on the fulcrum based on the centers of gravity.

The less capable old families, who cannot sustain the pressure of the nucleus, always roll out an economy of wanting what you cannot have, something for nothing, through agency, to engender participation with nothing more than promises to the masses and lottery winnings for a few to load the ponzi scheme. Those families, and everyone who followed them are going to get wiped out.

For those who have not yet gotten across that trussel, I would suggest the following entry level material:

programming the universe

death by blackhole

human origins

endless forms most beautiful

security analysis (1951) and

electronics, principles & applications

if you can add the multiplier effect of the traits you mention, so much the better. If you learn anything from those books, you will always have a job, and you will never have to feed the banks, because the economy will need you more than you need the economy. You just have to be smarter than a computer, and computers are dumb, for now. Stay ahead of the curve, or perish. That is evolution.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 15:39 | 110100 JR
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Thanks for the help. Your original post was the grist for many comments here.  By the way, it wasn't I who flagged you.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 18:01 | 110179 kevinearick
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Your post was at the end.

I wish you well. If you hear, the computer said so I did, change your relationship with that organization.

If the good folks at ZH could zero me out, I would appreciate it. I did not find a link to terminate my account.

Don’t be surprised if they turn the Internet off.

It was designed as a temporary bridge for the kids, the kids are across, and I can’t cover your backsides forever.

Whether this bridge stays open or not is up to you.

for the bears:

The probability of empire crash is approaching 100%.

just so you know:

I cut my teeth learning from Vietnam Vet amputees, I got my first lesson from an Admiral at age 9, and I spent my life designing economies as a ghost for the US Navy.

I don’t expect these people in charge now to come to their senses, but should they do so, the next roll-out will make the Internet look like the Arpanet.

As always, bet heads I win, tails you lose.

That was the lesson.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 13:20 | 110043 Anonymous
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It doesn't hurt for the girls that primary and secondary education is run by man-hating diesel-dyke feminazis.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 13:08 | 110040 Anonymous
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I'm guessing more female heads of household over time has increased women in the workforce. Divorce doubles households, and sometimes jobs.

Best wishes from Kansas! --Redbud

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 13:08 | 110039 Anonymous
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I'm guessing more female heads of household over time has increased women in the workforce. Divorce doubles households, and sometimes jobs.

Best wishes from Kansas! --Redbud

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 12:56 | 110035 Anonymous
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Its not particularly a sexual issue, although some job categories naturally play to the physiological/psychological differences between the two.

It is a symptom of usury, interest, and the necessity for ever expanding growth. In order to stave off the defaults which are implicit in a system where principal credit can be created in excess of existing money supply (but the money for the interest IS NOT), expansion helps to mute the built in bankruptcies.

When the limits of a workforce are reached dampening, and then flatlining growth another source must be tapped. Those sources are of course persons beyond the natural and socially defined borders of a land. The 50's paradigm of man at work, woman as domestic goddess must be attacked and denigrated. Stigma and forced male dominance/repression must smoke out underemployed females to serve the system, feed the state.

Also, immigrant labor and permanent underclass (like the slavery caste of Rome) must assist growth in the unskilled labor requirements. Global labor arbitrage helps to keep the ballooning growth going as well.

Until it collapses. Then the social engineering takes a heavy toll. Less healthy family units, racism and nationalism, economic protectionism go hand in hand with the steep contractions...er collapse.

Money as the driving force of society and the feeding requirements of debt have deeply insinuated themselves as catalysts for change in global society.

How they adapt in the post-apocalyptic fiat/fractional reserve environment will be interesting.

German men congregated to beer halls in the tough times. You saw what organized and disgruntled workers and former Reich soldiers developed there.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 12:36 | 110025 waterdog
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Man, some of these post are really serious about this issue. There are some thoughts here that I never before considered. I thought the increase in women in the work place was caused by women sucking, through the jugular, the life blood out of the workings males and piling us up on the plate like empty crawfish heads. Once we were all consumed, they had to go to work to buy lipstick.

Do not bother lady, I'll mark it junk myself.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 14:25 | 110068 DaddyWarbucks
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This made me laugh. Can we add an "flag as humor" choice to the list?

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:51 | 110001 Anonymous
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Men are obsolete. Metrosexual is the new norm.

Without a whole thesis on the subject, allow me to boil it down to gross stereotypes. Let's look at inside jobs and outside jobs. The gross stereotype of intellect over brute force.

Men are being forced out of "intellectual" positions. Not due to intelligence, but temperament. Again, in the interest of time, there are "effeminate" men, some of whom wish to marry each other and who do very well in comparison to their apish counterparts within such environments. The remaining men must adapt and thus Metrosexual is part of the new lexicon.

Fit in or get out.

Hell, it goes right to the heart of the intrinsic premise of "Fight Club" and why "He" becomes a disembodied violent manifestation of what it is to be a man in the form of Tyler Durden.

The soothing of the savage beast in the path to a "A Woman's Nation" is a excellent ideal, but it is based on a dangerous and misleading premise.

A great study would be the advancement of "butch" (I would say bullock) females over their more demure counterparts. The implicit violence of a brutish male replaced by the threat of those able to inflict an emotional tongue lashing to maintain control.

Where woman (and by proxy effeminate men) were once precluded from a higher education or a higher administrative position, this was never based on qualification, but social norms. In any social context, one has to "fit in" and the eternal scale of balance is simply shifting from one extreme to another.

The big difference is that it all reeks of the movie: "Demolition Man" where one violent man is able to run rough-shot over the entire society.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 20:34 | 110276 Anonymous
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The metrosexual norm always evapoates in crisis. Rescuing a 150# woman from the 5th floor in a raging inferno is usually not the job ideal of a metrosexual man.
The movie "6 Days, 7 Nights" did an amusing study of this. The Ann Heche character did not want Harrison Ford to behave as a metrosexual in their dire plight.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 13:10 | 110023 kevinearick
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metrosexual is a rather small, but important multiplier effect, and it will settle into equilibrium. I had another sentence about entering a closed system, which I am sure you can guess.

small classes are often employed as a lever against other classes, through the pyramid, until a battle among the primary classes is initiated, to serve the purposes of liquidation.

Reaction to the symptoms increases the imbalance, and accelerates liquidation.

The wheels are falling off the car in the old economy, and we are reaching the lowest common denominator for keeping a job - we pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us, while management becomes arbitrary, malicious, and capricious to keep their's.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:37 | 109995 MsCreant
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I am going to try and spin the publicizing of the Shriver report in a positive way. G. Washington is right about it being spin. Before I get hammered too hard, let me preface this by saying I am female and a professor in an area where gender is one of our topics.

Currently it is politically incorrect to say much in the academy about any policy being unfair to a white male. There has been a history of inequality that has elicited policies which strive to correct racial and gender imbalances. Hope that was neutral enough. In my field, women are still only 26% of the work force, though in my sub-field, we are approaching parity. But still, if you suggest (as I have) that you might need a little more testosterone in the department, you are, at best, a victim of false consciousness who is working against her own gender's interests, and worse case, a collaborator who would betray her own gender in exchange for privilege with men.

What Shriver's report does (I agree there is some harm in the spin) is to open the door to the conversation that we need to pay attention to men and men's roles in this country. By acknowledging the employment situation of men, perhaps we can call off some of the political correctness Nazi's and, you know, hire a few of them.

In the new economy, they are not necessarily privileged anymore. The pendulum swung so hard one way, we may need some recognition that some policies may have worked so well that we can turn that particular policy intervention spigot off now.

Hope that came out right. In general, women still earn 80 cents for every male dollar (there are those who will argue that stat is skewed, and the ratio is worse). There is still inequity. If she can do the job, she should get the same pay. BUT, it needs to be acknowledged that a new inequity is emerging out there, due to off shoring, immigration policies, and Ponzi economy building practices, where men are having a hard time getting jobs.

We will either get rid of EEOC offices soon, or men will become a new protected class.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 16:35 | 110133 defender
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MsCreant, thanks for responding to such a testosterone drenched thread.  My personal experience is that chemistry societies have very similar policies as your field, however the push has been dieing down lately.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:50 | 109980 Unscarred
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Who's flagging the political and emotional outbursts?

And will you flag THIS post too, please?

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 18:14 | 110197 Unscarred
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THANKS AGAIN!

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 12:44 | 110032 Unscarred
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THANKS!

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:18 | 109967 Internet Tough Guy
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My old lady has to work because with my record I can't get a job. The last interview I had, I headbutted the geek who was asking me questions about my past. Needless to say, I didn't get the job as a child care worker.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 12:48 | 110033 Unscarred
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Internet Tough Guy:

There is nothing better than someone who lives up to their name.  I find your posts about kicking people's asses funnier than hell.  Your sense of humor is hilarious!

Having said all of that, let me introduce you to my new friend KevinB.

http://www.zerohedge.com/users/kevinb

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 09:29 | 109954 E pluribus unum
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Is this some vast socialist-Obama-birth certificate-AmericaHating conspiricy? Where's the Zero Hedge I've come to know?

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 09:25 | 109952 bugs_
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Also factor in the alien/illegal alien aspect.  Do the numbers

include employed male illegals?  Do the numbers include

employed but expired H1B males?  Do illegal alien females

enter the workforce?  Are H1B and post F1 visa workers

predominantly male?

 

The answer IS here for those that wish to see.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 09:16 | 109948 Anonymous
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It only makes sense that when a society moves from 50% of the population working to 100% of the population working that wages will fall. Then of course, corporations eliminate the upper wage earners. It's a no-brainer.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 09:13 | 109946 Anonymous
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In an interview with Aaron Russo concerning 911, he made a side comment that Nicholas Rockefeller told him that the Rockefeller Foundation had financed Womens' Liberation from the beginning. Why? "Because we were only taxing half the population and we needed a way to tax the other half." He further stated that, "We also wanted to separate kids from their parents and have greater control over what was being taught in schools."

What do the Rockefellers have to do with taxation? They are one of the principal owners of the Federal Reserve.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 08:50 | 109937 Gestalt
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Wow. Lots of powerful emotions here. Let's not forget that women, with an oversized helping of empathy, thoughtfulness, and complex organizational talents, are better suited to our modern service oriented economy. Men dominate in technical work and trades, but our chronic lack of R&D spending, and the collapse of manufacturing and construction have hollowed out the male dominated industries. This is a secular shift in the nature of Western economies. Thus, when the economy recovers, women are likely to remain the dominant source of income.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 18:05 | 110182 Anonymous
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Then economies planned around service will have to come up with a new type of compensation or money.

Unless, as the post above says, the rat hole is going to absorb the service economy.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 14:02 | 109991 kevinearick
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This modern service oriented economy is going down the rat hole, and the next one is going to be more technical by an order of magnitude.

I am all for everyone participating and carrying their share of the load, and women have an opportunity, if they get in on the ground floor, like the ones working on these blogs.

I brought a lot of young women into enterprise architecture and trained many women that went on to become executives, but the multi-nationals are not touchy feely types. They are going to take everything off the table they can, while they can, and use anyone they can that is willing to participate.

When they cut 20% out of medicare in the face of a demographic winter, who do you suppose is going to bear the brunt of those cuts? We are on the verge of replacing education wholesale, and state tax revenues are falling like a rock because America can no longer muscle a levy on the distribution of all energy around the world, to continue subsidizing this old economy.

A lot of people got spoiled. People don't like to change, but economies are replaced faster and faster all the time, and they get left behind. That's natural selection. This time around, they intend to slaughter entire herds. 

It's a race between liquidation and speed to disclosure, and generally speaking, the kids are the only ones elastic enough to get across the strait before the falsework collapses. Everyone else fights over ownership of the bridge, right up until the oncoming wall of water takes it out. 

The less capable old families, who cannot sustain the pressure of the nucleus, always roll out an economy of wanting what you cannot have, something for nothing, through agency, to engender participation with nothing more than promises to the masses and lottery winnings for a few to load the ponzi scheme. Those families, and everyone who followed them are going to get wiped out.

For those who have not yet gotten across that trussel, I would suggest the following entry level material:

programming the universe

death by blackhole

human origins

endless forms most beautiful

security analysis (1951) and

electronics, principles & applications

if you can add the multiplier effect of the traits you mention, so much the better. If you learn anything from those books, you will always have a job, and you will never have to feed the banks, because the economy will need you more than you need the economy. You just have to be smarter than a computer, and computers are dumb, for now. Stay ahead of the curve, or perish. That is evolution.

 

Typical old economy problem:

top ten symptoms

10) programmers don't break in, their code breaks out

9) many of the people who created security problems are providing security

8) ineffective code management drives power demand

7) unexpected input fills the buffers

6) its embedded across the global financial system

5) it's embedded across global distribution systems

4) it's married to best business practice and objective based management

3) repeated calls to sub-procedures topple the system

2) its an inverted pyramid

1) it was employed as an economic hub

(and they pissed off a lot of programmers)

which company?

I shouldn't have to tell you these things.

Filter the symptoms, monitor speed to disclosure, and calculate the effect on the fulcrum based on the centers of gravity.

Evolution collects maladaptive behavior like a magnet, turning it into a blackhole, right up until the last fool buys a ticket, then it ignites, and starts over. Stay out ahead of that edge, but beware, blackholes grow in quantum. They collect non-performing assets, until the internal pressure ignites them, and that blackhole is about to get big fast.

Enterprise architects keep the kids out in front of that edge. Right now, no one but the strongest swimmers should be in the water. Most are better off building on their talents to intersect with the growth of the new economy. Get as far away from that edge as you can. Don't be surprised if you feed the bear by hand, and it eats you.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 20:02 | 110255 halvord
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I shouldn't have to tell you these things.

If I knew what you are telling me, that might help.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 19:05 | 110227 Anonymous
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Having been deeply involved with computing and technology for almost 40 years, I have to say that your comments, while full of erudition and advanced terminology, reads more like an ee cumming poem (albeit with capitals), than anything that makes clear and simple sense.

Designs using thinking like this explains why nothing works...

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 07:38 | 109925 snowman
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I have no problem having my wife as the breadwinner. I can stay at home and flirt with the cleaning lady, do some laundry and send the kids off to school. But she better also help around the house, like on weekends and do yard work and stuff. And then there is the bathroom that needs new grouting. I get pretty tired after a long week being a homemaker.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 11:49 | 110000 Rainman
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Ditto for the Rainman, Snowman.

Monday is Saturday for me. The warden returns to her day job where she is also the boss and can bark orders at the other inmates in her workplace institution. The dachshund and I kick off a 5-day weekend of much needed quiet and relaxation.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 06:36 | 109920 Anonymous
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if you want to know why female participation in the work force is so high we can find it etiology in this interview with aaron russo who stated that the rockefellers wanted another source of taxes and an early hold on kids for indoctrination:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA

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