Recovery Hopes Surge On Record New Home Sales

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Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:16 | 1089800 Flakmeister
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Uh, no, you don't splat till you hit bottom....

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:20 | 1089824 AN0NYM0US
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not so fast

Naples Rises From Florida Housing Swamp as Wealthy Buyers Return



(the only thing missing from the article is the dude with the sandwich board at a busy intersection trying to sell is million dollar home at half off

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:22 | 1089843 66Sexy
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more like 'boink'


head hitting the roof: a.k.a THE TOP

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:52 | 1090081 camaro68ss
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growing a 3rd hand is a bitch

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:41 | 1090486 Harlequin001
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apparently it's quite easy now in Tokyo...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:32 | 1089880 hamurobby
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On the Treasure coast, you can buy a median home for 50-70% off the 2005 highs. Honestly you can buy them (existing homes) well below replacement, not a bad buying opportunity with the baby boomers retiring. Now if they could just find buyers for their northern homes...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:55 | 1089951 Flakmeister
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Go ahead fill your boots...

The only way real estate makes sense is if your fixed rate mortgage is hyper-inflated away while your property taxes are flat... 


Edit: The other possible way is do a move sideways, assuming you have a large amount of equity, replace your existing digs with something that will meet your future needs. Forget about any capital gains etc...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 12:24 | 1090719 TruthInSunshine
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HOA fees in some formerly exclusive areas in Miami have risen 200% to 300% due to all the empty units in multi unit high rises (fixed costs on large buildings suck and tend not to discern as to whether the building is 90% or 40% occupied), and they weren't cheap originally.

So, not only can you not get hurricane insurance, but take the $7,000 that you were paying in HOA fees yearly before and at least double them, and then, oh yeah, add another $23,000 a year in property taxes.

Carrying costs of $30,000 yearly in just taxes and HOA fees for a oceanfront (or view) condominium that has a new real value 50% less than it did 4 years ago? It's all good.


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 12:43 | 1090840 Flakmeister
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Good point, HOA fees and the like will not deflate...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 13:03 | 1090940 ElvisDog
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You're shitting me. $23K in property taxes? That would be reason enough not to buy a condo in FLA.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:07 | 1091169 cornedmutton
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You'd really love California then as may new developments here include standard property taxes, HOA, and something called Mello-Roos, named after the two state bureaucrat assholes that drafted the legislation in 1982:

"A Mello-Roos District is an area where a special property tax on real estate, in addition to the normal property tax, is imposed on those real property owners within a Community Facilities District. These districts seek public financing through the sale of bonds for the purpose of financing public improvements and services.  These services may include streets, water, sewage and drainage, electricity, infrastructure, schools, parks and police protection to newly developing areas. The tax paid is used to make the payments of principal and interest on the bonds."

Makes you wonder the purpose of property taxes when Mello-Roos covers all the public utility infrastructure normally provided by the city.  Seems to me it's just an end-run around CA State Proposition 13 (passed in 1978) which limited property taxes increases from year-to-year.  Since they couldn't raise the rate they just came up with a new "tax" by requiring all real property owners within the district to sign on as payers for the bond that had been sold to finance the city's ongoing operations. Ta-da! No more maximum property tax restriction!

A couple of years ago I was considering buying a new home near Sacramento that included all three of these payments. The P&I on the mortgage would have been about $1,500 with an additional $700/month in tax and HOA dues. Suffice it to say, we did not buy.

The BEST part was that there was no assurance made the additional payment would go away, even if the 30-year bond was eventually paid off entirely.  And the HOA fees were projected to increase by 3~5% per year!

More here:


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:16 | 1091242 TruthInSunshine
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Have there been any legal challenges to Mello-Roos Districts yet?

As you are aware, just because the state does something doesn't imply it can or will withstand judicial scrutiny.

That is total bullshit.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:20 | 1091269 cornedmutton
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Roger on the bullshit. One of the reasons we stayed away. We saw it for what it was.

I have no idea what can be done, if anything, though. To be honest, this state is so far past the point of no return, I'm not sure if it's even worth fighting anymore.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 13:02 | 1090934 ElvisDog
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I got news for you - the Baby Boomers are broke or enough of them are/will be broke so they won't be buying those Florida retirement homes. I would stay away from any investment strategy that relies on the untapped wealth of the Baby Boomers.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:33 | 1089908 ptoemmes
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Yeah, here in SouthEast Florida too:

But note that they did change the way sales are reported. 




Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:32 | 1089895 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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Hey everybody:

Since you can't send the Tylers prostitutes, why not send them some cash for all their hard work. hit that Paypal button!


Seriously, our fearless Tylers have not left their keyboards because of all the trainwrecks out there, so send $20 or so today. It won't hurt and you know you want to.


Its either that or the red pill.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:44 | 1090006 malikai
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I took both pills and washed em down with a shot of diesel. My tummy hurts.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:57 | 1090113 andybev01
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I don't even give to NPR, but for you I shelled out $30.00.

when can I expect my tote bag and bumper sticker ;-)

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 12:54 | 1090898 TruthInSunshine
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Cindy - just a suggestion, but maybe ZH can post an anonymous method of contributing. I happen to know from experience that many people with means and resources cherish their privacy.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:16 | 1091963 Kayman
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How about getting a drop box.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:41 | 1089988 oh_bama
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New home sales lower because

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:58 | 1090116 andybev01
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Crap; it's snowing again in the N.E.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:17 | 1089801 slow_roast
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Cramer's advice is financial cyanida.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:18 | 1089812 Horatio Beanblower
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Caveat emptor.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:33 | 1089924 Cash_is_Trash
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Caveat viewer.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:34 | 1090430 TheMerryPrankster
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Caveat Empire

Beware of empires - especially financial empires.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:45 | 1090498 andybev01
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"Caveat Empire"...FTW

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:21 | 1089833 John Law Lives
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Anyone who regularly listens to Cramer should be taken out by natural selection.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:30 | 1089887 Gene Parmesan
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You don't still think that natural selection is allowed, do you?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:44 | 1090009 oh_bama
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DID I TELL YOU BTFD a fwe days ago???


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:35 | 1090440 defn8Dog
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Pongee pit death awaits those who buy on GS "conviction buy" recommendations.  

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 13:46 | 1091119 MallaKite
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Its a GS convicted "Buy"

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:42 | 1089997 oh_bama
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You are so mean!!


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:50 | 1090052 cosmictrainwreck
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*error* he's an asshole. to paraphase an old saw: "ya don't have to be an asshole to be at CNBS....but it helps"

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:16 | 1089803 101 years and c...
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i've said it all along.  this is the greatest depression.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:22 | 1089842 drbill
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No, the next time the world forgets what's real money and allows (central) bankers to control "money" via fiat, will probably be worse than this depression. That is assuming we don't all wind up in the next stone age.

And to think I used to be an optimist...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:17 | 1089809 NoBull1994
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This is great news.  Disinflationary!  More QE, please!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:36 | 1089947 Hollywood
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Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:45 | 1089980 depression
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QE-3 slam dunk  !

line up the cheerleaders !


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:55 | 1090094 oh_bama
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YES!! FINALLY people on this blog understand!!


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 13:06 | 1090955 ElvisDog
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Which is funny, because QE3 would further depress home prices, because home prices are a function of monthly payments. If the sheeple's gasoline/food costs go up by 50% due to QE3 that's less money left over to make the monthly mortgage payment.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 13:49 | 1091121 oh_bama
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No you are not correct~~~


With QE3 everything will be JUST FINE!!

And people will be living happily forever and ever!!

DID YOU KNOW anythign about finance and economics?! HAVE YOU BEEN A PROFESSOR AT PLACES LIKE PRINCETON???


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 13:28 | 1091043 andybev01
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Shhhh...use your indoor voice.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:18 | 1089810 John Law Lives
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I wonder what the Great Chairsatan will have to say about this.  I suppose QE3 is a certainty now...

Great Chairsatan = enemy of the world

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:19 | 1089811 ZippyBananaPants
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Did anyone see Biggest Loser last night? 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:36 | 1089952 Sancho Ponzi
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I don't recall Obama speaking last night.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:46 | 1090021 MsCreant
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He meant Ben. I know the competition is pretty tight, so I could see where you would make that error.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:19 | 1089813 No One
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awesome! so now the Realtors can scream "BTFD" too.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:03 | 1090164 smithcreek
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They've been screaming that for a couple years now.  I pity the fools that jumped on the free government money.  They're only going to get more underwater over the next year.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:39 | 1090456 TheMerryPrankster
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"There has never been a better time to buy a home than right now" said Lawrence Yun, NAR chief economist, as he tied a rope with a rock attached to it around his neck and prepared to leap off a bridge.

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