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Remembering 9/11, Nine Years Later
If you
ask anyone where they were on the morning of September 11th, 2001, they
will tell you exactly where and even tell you what they were doing in
great detail. It's as if time just stopped and the world came to an end.
I
was in Crete, and came back from a day of swimming at the beach when I
walked into my house and my father told me terrorists just flew planes
into the Twin towers. I couldn't believe the horror I was watching on
CNN. That was exactly nine years ago, and even though I try not to think
about it as much, being in Crete, it feels like it happened yesterday.
Last
night, Greek television played a documentary on the Marriott World Trade
Center survivors. The hotel was crushed except for the south tower,
where miraculously a lawyer was saved by a brave fireman and his
colleagues. He survived to see his daughter get married and even invited
that fireman to the wedding. There was also a lady with severe MS in
that hotel who survived and reunited with her mother after experiencing a
harrowing day.
Watching that documentary makes you appreciate
life. Today, I went swimming with my brother-in-law at one of my
favorite beaches, at the peninsula in Agia Pelagia. It was tough going
down the steep hills and all those stairs, but when I reached the sea,
it was all worth it.
Hiking back up after swimming for two hours
wasn't easier. But at one point, we stopped, enjoyed the view and I
looked over to my brother-in-law and said "we are lucky to enjoy this
day, nine years ago thousands of innocent people lost their lives in a
tragic event. I might have MS, but at least I am alive and enjoying
life."
To all those victims and their families, I want to tell
you that we will never forget 9/11 and our thoughts and prayers are with
you.
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+1256! Good to see you again, don't be a stranger!
Excellent.
But 'SAYONARA MORONS'
But not until they have been used to remove the middle class.
Well said!!.. Looking forward to your sequel.. :)
Israel did 9/11
contrary to enemy propaganda, islam has declared jihad on America and many other countries also. the sooner that We the people understand this instead of deludingourselves the fewer lives will be lost. not all religions are fuzzy feel good sweetheart libertarian types that Americans are accustomed to.
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Is it Iran vamp time already?
So when do you think the next false flag will be launched?
religion is a strategy for controlling human beings
setting one religion against another is a divide and conquer strategy
let's declare jihad against anyone who believes in ANY religion
now that would be a war worth fighting!
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if TPTB succeed in fomenting the Americans (ie, christians) vs muslims war that you seem to be seeking, we will have 5 billion people ready to kill each other over religious bullshit that was only created to control ignorant human beings
Were the events 9/11 the work of Mossad?
"One fool will deny more truth in half an hour than a wise man can prove in seven years." -Coventry Patmore
Spend a few moments and ask what if...?
http://www.granddelusion.com/false-flag-attacks/september-11/
After 9 years, US still cannot rebuild those buildings, not even able to build a memorial.
To me, US doesn't give a shit to 9/11.
they won't be built until 2037:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE53F77N20090416
What everyone in the world would do well to do, is contract a case of global, collective amnesia.
It strikes me that if the phrase, "Never Forget" were eliminated from the lexicon, and the human mind were capable of it, forgetting about past wrongs might just make the entire world a fairly peaceful place to live.
The Crusades, Holocaust, Slavery, Hatfields and McCoys, and all the rest of the transgenerational atrocities and the eye for an eye revenge that governs them to this day could have all been avoided had the ludicrous concept of god been quickly forgotten about when the first cave men's minds decided to worship a deity because of the buzzing that was going on in their heads. The first Fred Flintstone who began to notice the chatter inside his mind, and couldn't figure out what it was, but considered it emanating from outside himself, should have been hit over the head with a club.
Are you claiming that, if we could only get rid of the concept of god, no one would ever again steal your lunch money?
I pack my lunch, nothing for them to steal.
But the invention of god, by men, has been THE source of all of our serious global problems, embodied in the now infamous, notorious suicide bombers.
Take that away from them and see how fast they decide they want to live.
And the Inquisition, Crucifixion, Holocaust, slavery, Crusades--- all these major disastrous themes that captured the minds of clueless billions thinking they have the ticket to heaven---alll could have been completely avoided if god were somehow assasinated, or those who believe in her, somehow contracted amnesia.
If this country allows the truth of what happened on 9/11 to disintegrate into the fog of history, we will not deserve to have a future as the beacon of liberty in the world. We will have given up that privilege for the soma of bread and circuses. We are at the edge of a great pivot in history where only a right cause & brave patriots can lift us from our dilusion of safety on the moral high ground so many Americans still believe we occupy. What our leaders of the past few decades have been leading us to will only bring shame and derision to a once great nation. We have been warned, and the clouds are gathering quickly, we must find the faith and strength to speak openly of the gathering storm before we are swept away with 'why?' on 500 million lips.
Demand for yourself an explanation & hold those in power accountable until they provide explanations that are rational and not fairy tales that even the majority of the 9/11 commission admit are not the whole truth. You will have no one to blame but yourself if you don't. Start with "Cui Bono?" and don't stop asking questions.
Forget about it. You can't get a straight answer from your teenager, your grocer, or anyone else trying to get over on you. And that's just about everyone.
To not rest until the source of the 9/11 terrorists' jihad against us is found, is to live a wasted life. You refer to "our leaders" as if we are all following them. Nothing could be further from the truth as most of us run the other way at the mere whif of fetid odor that emanates from every politician. I don't know about you but I don't follow any political hack for anything.
The nation consists of hundreds of millions of us who take no blame for what is happening in the world. Until a significant number of us takes up arms against our governors, starts assassinations of notorious felonious controllers, like those chairpersons at the head of the various Senatorial committees and their lobbyists, then you might as well have fun where you can find it.
The idealist/activists willing to act with prejudice against those who manipulate us, are the only possibility for change. And there aren't enough of them to mount an offensive on a dog kennel let alone against a state or Federal officeholder.
I'm afraid that muddling thru is the only alternative for at least 300,000,000 us citizens without whose support revolution is academic.
persuit of truth is never a waste. You call for assassinations of notorious felonious controllers. I submit that is not possible unless one knows who is guilty of the felonies. A search for truth seems necessary in order to judge who committed what crime...
We may not be able to find all the truth, but we can start with junking the crap answers that the government and MSM are foisting on us as certainty.
Your statement that you don't follow political hacks is just stupid unless you care to live in anarchy. I doubt that if you do now, you would if you had a few days experience living in that kind of fear.
As I read this thread I am reminded once again that in matters of opinion, debate is pointless.
You may be gullible enough to believe that anarchy in this country is even possible, but you needn't share that nonsense with the rest of the world. It embarrasses you and your parents.
I repeat: you will learn nothing no matter how hard you search for the 'truth'. Nothing. Might as well just forget about it. I have no trouble doing so. The large themes in the world are so far out of our control that I find it nearly impossible to think about the planned attacks that are coming as surely as we sit here. And once again if we survive we will shed our tears, bury our dead and move on as best we can while the architects of our tragedies go back to their caves and plan again.
ALL the politicians are known who serve on the committees, easily identifiable. Knowing who they are is easy; it's the killing that's hard.
My God,,, you're and idiot and a pussy.. I feel sorry for your wife and kids.. They have no protector... You sir, are what's wrong with this country.. The more men like you we have, the weaker will will become..
Max, you are embarrassing yourself. You are no more able to anticipate and stop the next attack then anony is. At least he admits to it.
If that is what you are trying to say, you should have quoted something else. Quoting something leads one to believe that your comments are addressing the quote.
Your words they have no protector is what my comments addressed. Your wife and kids have no protector in you from the next attack are my words. Saying what people don't want to hear is not going to enable you to anticipate and stop the next attack.
Impotent is the word you want, not cowards. That is a word that applies to all of us as individuals, including you. Your bloviating will not stop the next attack. However, I am certain that more than one next attack has been anticipated, intercepted, and stopped through the resources of our government and others.
I can pose a threat and a deterrent ...
No you can't.
All other words in our exchange above can be ignored. This is your idea I was addressing in my first response to you. It is admirable that you want to pose a threat and a deterrent, but the reality is that you cannot. Therefore, calling anony an idiot and a pussy because he seems to accept what you cannot is not consistant with the facts.
Now, if you want to claim that you are part of a group, and that group can pose a threat and a deterrent (e.g., sifting through international phone calls for clues), that is a different subject.
I'm in no need of your explanation of the meaning of words.. I'm well read, even if I don't put it on display with long winded and wordy expressions of my thought.
I say cowards and I mean cowards. I cannot protect my family from an unforeseeable tragedy, indeed, but I can pose a threat and a deterrent by being a person that does not capitulate to a fabricated consensus further allowing control of our country and it's foreign policy.
I do personally believe that anyone that believes the official 9/11 story is either a moron or a lazy coward.
I can't stop my child's school bus from running off the road and exploding but that doesn't mean I don't care about who is driving the bus.
The only thing worse than a shill is one who capitulates to evil.
You don't know that another false flag event has not been shelved because of truthers and people that will investigate it and possible expose it..
I see the government taking readings of consensus all the time.. Case in point; the Ground Zero Mosque.. This is simply the Gov taking a pulse on the nations attitude towards Muslims before the next false flag or invasion of another Muslim country.. People need to get their head out of there ass.
I wonder how the outcome of the Towers coming down would have been different in either case.
If plane hijackers had done it, or it had been centrally planned false-flag. The focus of the debate has been scientific and logical explanations of a take-down. Sure would be nice to have some names (other than hijacker folks) to focus on as well. So far there aren't first hand people blowing any whistles, just those tangentially attached to the incidents.
Seems that the result was the same unless I'm missing a big part of the picture. We have a couple of wars of convenience in either case. The country is being divided and focus is removed from other issues that should be occupying our national attention. Getting factions to battle it out is a side-line distraction.
I'm not in either camp on this issue, nor JFKs killing, nor any number of things that have been argued as conspiracy. All possibilities are plausible!
Bullshit.. I don't give a fuck what morons and pussies think including you. This has nothing to do with "predicting" anything. It has to do with critical thinking and having the balls to say what people don't want to hear.. I stand by my statement. For any clown that thinks it embarrasses me, well then, they are cowards I speak of..
Are you and that guy in the white clothe and pole business?... Raise your white flag.. I will remain with the vocal opposition.
The likelihood that Dubya and his cohorts knocked down the twin towers is zero. Hell, these guys couldn't even run a war right.
The likelihood that Dubya and his cohorts knew, or ought to have known what the Saudis were up to is 100%.
The more the "Truthers" carry on with this baseless construct the more the (clumsy) elite get to smile slyly in the background, certain they have won this round.
The logic behind the "Truthers" is akin to confirmation that Santa Claus exists; every year the presents show up under the tree, ergo, proof of the fat red guy. An open wed truss/floor design as far easier to heat up and knock down than any other steel design. Period.
So this is the same incompetent administration that provided the Official Conspiracy Theory as the explanation for 9/11 (that you appear to believe) and the same administration that was clever enough to prevent a criminal infiltration and hijacking of the the national security apparatus on that day by a group of highly trained and coordinated moles and traitors in their midst (as strongly suggested by the history, science and documentation as recorded for anyone who chooses to search) and who the corporate media refuses to give proper study and evaluation?
I think this is called cognitive dissonance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
The truth is only unattainable when people stop caring and thinking.
Sorry dude, this ain't gonna happen.
This is so fucking stupid.. Ok... let's just think about this.. Have you any idea of the inner structural frame of this building? Do you?. I doubt it.. I am an engineer and a damn good mechanical designer.. I'm insulted by anyone that wants to tell me those buildings came down without 1/3 of that inner structure not still standing and waving in the wind.. FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE.. nuff said
Max
Since you claim to be a mechanical engineer (do you mean structural engineer?) then tell me about the specific design of this building and why the bottom floors below the initial collapse should have held up the collapsing floors above them.
And to ASSUME the inner structure (the elevator section) should still have 1/3 of the distance still standing, PRESUMES the buildings collapsed perfectly straight down- which they did not.
What is FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE to me is that the U.S. government didn't have solid information ahead of time about these thugs.
And let me know what mechanical engineering you have done so I can avoid the places.
"An open wed truss/floor design as far easier to heat up and knock down than any other steel design."
that explains the two towers (in your mind anyway)
how about building 7 which had a different design?
All pointless distractions -
BBC reported the destruction of building 7 before it happened.
Someone got their timing wrong.
EDIT: oops, double post
"An open wed truss/floor design as far easier to heat up and knock down than any other steel design. "
OK, I won't argue that point - it may or may not be true, I just don't know
What I have a problem with is this:
- for the first time in the history of the world, three high rise, steel-framed buildings collapse due to fire on the same day
- the fires that caused the collapses burned for less than an hour
- there are numerous examples of high rise, steel-framed buildings enduring raging fires for 12 hours and more without collapsing
- instead of performing forensic engineering analysis of the steel members that failed in the WTC buildings, the steel was sold to foreign scrap companies who promised to melt the steel quickly
- to ensure that the steel went straight from ground zero to the shipping yards where it would be exported, GPS trackers were installed on all the transport trucks
- the 'analysis' used to prove your point was performed via computer simulations
I don't have the metallurgical, architechtural or civil engineering knowledge to address your point but I do recognize a tall tale when I hear it
Put some heat on an open web floor truss and watch it immediately start to buckle.
Most highway trucks have GPS. It is a guess and only a guess that that GPS systems were in the scrap steel trucks to ensure New Yorks arm-and-leg business didn't divert them.
With all the American jobs lost to China, with New York attached to an ocean, I don't know where else you would sell that amount of scrap steel.
Like a set of dominoes, once one open-web truss started to buckle the ones beside it would start to carry more load, as the heat weakened them, I am surprised that they survived an hour.
With the weight of the planes and the initial heat of the explosion, I cannot understand why anyone thinks the collapse of the Twin Towers is a "tall tale".
The facts are immediately after the planes hit Dubya got all the Saudi officials out of America. Saudis (mainly) committed this monstrous deed. And America is still addicted to Middle East oil.
If Saudi Arabia paid for its U.S. military protection the U.S. would get its oil for free.
I think "Truthers" have their hearts in the right place, they have the right objective, but they have their facts misconstrued on this one.
Agree with most of what you said but one thing needs correction. Number one oil exporter to us is Canada.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_l...
The "truther's" have a long way to go to convince rational people that the Mossad or Dubya or little green men from Mars hired suicidal Moooslims to slice up & kill American passengers & crew with knives on domestic airliners in order to crash jets into the World Trade Center where pre-planted explosives awaited Cheney's finger to detonate once every news outlet on the globe had intently focused their cameras on the buildings.
How's that for a purely demented run on sentence?
Then throw in they must have also planted explosives at the Pentagon and apparently killed everyone on Flight 98 prior to it's being ditched in the ocean before another demolition crew set off a charge in a remote field in Pennsylvania. Cell phone calls describing the events happening in real time mean nothing to these people who incorporate voice technology into their tortured logic to explain phone calls from victims that the government (or anyone else) would not have known would be on these flights until they took off.
They can't even pass a damn budget for the fiscal year but they could pull 911 off?
It's absolute BS.
It was the Hamburg Cell of AQ led by Atta...or as a truther would say, it was Mrs. Peacock, with a wrench, in Karl Marx's tomb.
nmewn
Yes, few Americans realize Canada supplies most "foreign" energy to the U.S. including oil.
If it wasn't for the vested interests of certain U.S. parties in the Middle East, the U.S. military and "democracy in the Middle East" (an oxymoron if there ever was one) costs could be diverted into energy independence in North America.
Exactly how much money does it cost the U.S. to protect the Saudi royal family, the Egyptian dictatorship, the Iraqi experiment and Israel anyway??
Well that's the thing. The Energy Dept. was created to make us energy independent. I think we all can agree to call that an epic fail.
So why have it?
It's budget last year was 34 billion. It recieved 37 billion from shovel ready stimulus so 67 billion down the crapper for the year...34 billion and growing per year. It's a bottomless pit run by another incompetent college professor.
The reason we are not energy independent is because the industry is under constant attack by greenies, it's not because it's not there to be had. Same with nuclear & coal. Of course, capitalists being capitalists don't really mind oil being above 70 bucks a barrel and we couldn't refine it anyways for lack of refining capacity.
A weird little contango between capitalists & greenies with the consumer paying the price ultimately.
As for the wars, I don't believe if we were free from foreign entanglements (allies) it would have made much difference. Our civilians were attacked by radical islam. They would have got around to us even if they controlled the entire world outside our borders. It's what they are.
Personally, I don't believe we should be protecting ME oil for Europe. Let them protect their own supplies, that's where the bulk of it goes. I've had it with socialist sneering pompous asses from continental Eurpoe abusing our good intentions. Remove our troops, close our bases on the continent of Europe.
As for Israel, we are a country founded on Judeo-Christian principles taking the form of a democratically elected Republic. We are also an ally with Britain who also has this lineage and is a parlimentary type of government & a monarchy if only in a theoretical sense. I don't see any reason to change our posture with Israel based on them being a parlimentary democracy holding our values either.
If China or any other militarily capable country would have been attacked in the same manner they would have done exactly the same thing.
+ 1 Quadrillion.
OK, let's say that we buy the "weakened due to heat, one floor collapses and causes the pancaking of the floors below" theory
how do you explain that the buildings fell at the same speed as though they were in free-fall?
isn't it reasonable to expect the floors below the impacted ones to provide SOME resistance to the collapse and slow down the overall process?
the towers collapsed at the same speed as a bowling ball would fall if it were dropped from the roof of the towers
same question for building 7 which also collapsed at the same speed as free-fall
the only reasonable way to get the buildings to collapse at the speed of free-fall is if the floors below the impact provided ZERO resistance to the floors above them
does that seem reasonable to you?
isn't it interesting that buildings that are taken down via controlled implosions also collapse at the speed of free-fall?
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another interesting point: the 'analysis' of the tower collapse totally ignored the central core of the towers and focussed on the floor structure that you refer to - the towers were designed to have lots of open floor space and expansive views of the city - this design required that the building's core was stronger than it would have been otherwise
seems plausible to me that if the pancake theory were valid, we would have been left with nothing but the cores standing after the floors collapsed around them
Your answers:
1. Gravity is time squared.
2. the only thing resisting the fall is friction and the floor structure below.
My question to you is- where do you get the calculation of the speed of the fall of the 3 buildings, i.e. distance travelled, weight of top load, time of initial collapse. Seems to be a lot of hyperbole, a paucity of facts and calculations.
With the weight of the floors above the entry point of the planes, once one open web truss failed and the other trusses failing like dominoes, nobody had a chance.
Bush protected his Saudi financiers, Bush may well have ignored clear warnings, but he did not pull off the equivalent of the Watergate burglary on a monstrous scale.
Heat, gravity, friction, mechanical damage, impact point, and lousy structural design for an airplane impact- those were the helpers to the thugs that did it.
The architect I talked to said the core would be a minimum of 10 stories high if the buildings pancaked...contrast this with the highest part being the comparatively weak outer sheathing in the 911 results.
Thermal views of the debris indicated ridiculous temperatures in all 3 basements....which only is intelligible if the use of something like thermite occurred.
And we have evidence of thermite.
The narrative as officially told is false...the real truth awaits discovery.
How much heat does thermite produce? That would answer your question.
Peer reviewed research proves the presence of thermite in the dust.
Once this salient fact is known, the fairy tale of jet fuel fires can be put to bed.
Now we need to put the perps behind bars.
You bash 'truthers', I am not sure how you define that term, but are you against finding the truth? Can you tell me who besides the administration and it's cohorts could have arranged for the events of 9/11, besides the actual piloting of the planes, that defy any rational explanation other than at least criminal conspriacy to aid and abet the hijackers?
Always amazes me how two planes can fly into two buildings and 3 buildings come down as a result (the 3rd one was announced down an hour before it did while the announcer standing in front of it!)
Don't worry Leo, those responsible WILL be brought to justice (hint: they're not in Afghanistan) just like they did in Nueremberg. There is something called Karma and God.
RIP all those who died that day.
how can three buildings, side by side,
as if a demolition crew supervised it, collapse into their own footprint? That's what I want to know.
Planned demolition.. that was easy.. give me another one.. :)
ok, max.hunter; here's another one. Go to post #576093 & 576154 in this thread. Is it "OF" or is it "FOR"?
That's what I want to know.
Simple.. NIETHER !!
' ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS FOR 911 TRUTH '
scientific proofs of thermite demolition
published ,peer reviewed ,data and conclusions
science and math never lie...
people and government agencies do ...
the terrible truth ...
911 was pre planned, inside job
with white house approval ...
I saw a documentary in which lots of architect and engineers gave detailed opinions on why the buildings collapsed.
Out of all one fact stood out:
It is known that structural steel begins to soften around 425°C and loses about half of its strength at 650°C (1200 F).
That alone, with all the jet fuel injected into the building, makes it clear the towers never had a chance to withstand.
Now try to disprove that one fact!
Before you or someone else manages to do that, we needn't keep discussing.
Don't forget beams also expand lengthwise and shear their fasteners. This is seen all the time in regular fires, and is one of the reasons you see spray-on fire stuff on structural members even though they're not going to burn themselves in a typical fire. People are carrying on as if this is something new, and it's not.
As for everyone else...
Have fun convincing us that how probable it is to carry off something that complex, involving that many people, without leaving a trail a mile long and having at least ONE person (1) talk or get caught, and (2) point to that trail as a result. It may happen before, during, or 50 years after, but it WILL happen. People keep secrets about stealing radar plans or crop figures, about stealing money, or about offing their ex-wives. A large group of people are just not likely to kill thousands of their own innocent people for a lie, without any direct means for each and every one of them to profit, and then all magically shut up about it. Who are they? Why do they do it? I'm not asking why (insert politician you hate here) orders it or what they get after it, I'm asking why the grunt level people carry it out. It sure wouldn't be money, because if they're willing to off thousands of random people, they'll certainly just shoot you rather than pay you; saves money and you can't talk.
We're not talking about setting the Reichstag on fire, sinking a boat, or bombing an apartment building here. Any way you cut it, you're talking 2-3 dozen people, minimum, who have to know what is going on, and dozens of others who see things beforehand that will stick out in hindsight.
On the one hand, we have a mountain of fairly straightforward evidence from the circumstantial to the hard and fast supporting 19 dipshits getting on planes and causing mayhem. On the other, we have a bunch of people with nothing at all to point to other than stamping their feet and insisting that the collisions could not have resulted in what we saw, despite plentiful evidence to the contrary, because they say so.
Most of you are generally well educated and experienced in economics, banking, finance, etc. You are not infallible, and you are not omnipotent, and I see assorted glaring errors/assorted ridiculous bullshit posts pertaining to things like engineering, keeping secrets/conspiracies, the military, and combat on a weekly basis here. "Common sense" and "everybody knows" is usually bullshit.
I can't tell you what your lane is, but I can tell you to look around and make sure you're in it. This entire thread is a prime candidate for being turned into a drinking game for engineers.
Evidence of thermite? Do you people even know what thermite is, or at least enough to know why this is a ridiculous statement?
Fireballs as proof of controlled demolition? Someone is watching too many movies.
Fire doesn't burn steel! Did you see anyone say it does? It doesn't have to oxidize or melt to fail.
The point here is that people can speculate all day on what they think should have resulted from two planes colliding with these buildings, but no one has yet pointed to anything that did happen but could not have resulted from the collisions, and everything that was observed has been observed piecemeal elsewhere as a result of similar conditions. All we have are people ranting about fascists, making ridiculous arguments, or insisting that their explanation of what should have resulted from the impacts is somehow magically complete, correct, and irrefutable.
This is why forensics people - good ones - do not take the stand and say "toolmark analysis shows THIS hammer whacked this guy"; it is something like, "toolmark analysis allows this hammer as the murder weapon with no discrepancies, and excludes X amount of other hammers and/or every hammer we know of." This is because in truth they can't show it was that hammer - they can only exclude the wrong hammer(s). No one who knows what non-Hollywood explosions actually look like or who has seen the aftermath of fires in steel framed buildings has been able to stand up and say, "the airliner impacts are excluded as a cause for the collapse because of X, Y, and Z."
Keep looking for the smoking gun.