Removing The FDIC's TLGP Crutches Results In A Major Funding Cost Divergence

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Anonymous's picture

The FDIC Is Broke: Yes, really. Off the wire this morning: 'FDIC Deposit fund had negative $8.2B balance in Q3'. That's broke. Bankrupt. Kaput. Gone. Poof. Dead. Rotting. A corpse.

jongreen's picture

I'm weary of the phrase "pay the taxpayer back". I understand the principle, but c'mon, taxpayers have never been paid back.

AnonymousMonetarist's picture


Tyler, I will bet you one rentenmark that by this time next year we'll break a trillion on the 'Permanent' Liquidity Guarantee Program. AM Pixie Dust , 11/25/08 :

It was always the same conversation. Create a synthetic that follows the yield curve but gives you some juice over treasuries. Create some sort of RAV (remote asset vehicle) and then get that AAA pixie dust sprinkled on top of it . Usually the person describing it was a current or past associate of a Master of the Universe.

Yield pigs would line up at the trough if it was as safe as treasuries but had some juice, they proclaimed.

Different than all the known exotics that we've heard of - they spoke about this new 'straw into gold' synthetic.

This synthetic could be applied to anything- hence the RAV- much like Palin's turkey chopper, a construct that would suck in any sizable asset and spit out the synthetic.

Having a Heston moment as I read the WSJ describe how the dirty apes:

'In effect are issuing(Goldman) synthetic Treasury bonds, at a much higher yield than straight Treasury bonds."

The article goes on to say: "Responding to banks' urging, the Treasury department agreed to guarantee the bonds, backing the "full faith and credit" of the U.S. government." "Citigroup, General Electric (as well as JP Morgan and Morgan Stanley named elsewhere) and other companies have signed up to sell bonds under the plan."

You had to go and do it didn't you? You had to go and blow it all up...

Calling All Meatballs, 11/26/08 :

Our new monetary industrial policy i.e., synthetic Treausries where the RAV is the issuing company, is fraught with peril. Building a federally mandated sausage factory for the Masters of the Universe will end up making sovereign and private risk ubiquitous and to the detriment of the sovereign.

We are all derivatives now, 11/29/08 :

The Masters of the Universe turned themselves into the RAV, got the AAA pixie dust and put themselves to market. It is not too often where, we the people, get to witness and insure the birth of a new asset class.I'm glad that it is only a liquidity problem and not a solvency problem ... 

Goldie and the girls just got the keys to the safety deposit box.

Third a trillion meatballs so far, 8/11/09 ;

The Temporary Liquidity Guarantee Program has spewed out about a third of a trillion of these 'industrial' treasuries and maintained that level for the last four months.

Although originally envisioned as short-term - as of June 30, 2009 terms at issuance of over 2 but less than 3 years totaled 23.6%, and terms over 3 years totaled 38.4%. 

I expect we'll break the cap, which is twice this level, and extend it several times.

Today's WSJ :


Congress should be doing all it can to remove moral hazard from the financial system. Instead, it is in danger of increasing it.

Following the credit crunch, lawmakers need to ensure banks can't borrow at below-market rates because of perceived government backing. After all, banks' access to cheap funding helped inflate the credit bubble.

Instead, Congress is heading in the opposite direction. Legislation being considered already contained features that could end up being used to provide taxpayer backing to bank creditors. But Wednesday the House Financial Services Committee went even further by approving a measure that would allow banks to issue government-backed debt in difficult periods.

It could effectively enshrine a recently expired program that helped banks sell more than $600 billion of subsidized debt during the crisis.

(Nancy Capitalists in a Sovereign Democracy that are hell bent to seek rent. -AM

Granted, this temporary measure helped prevent a liquidity crisis.

(Liquidity crisis? Hit me! -AM)

But making it permanent could dissuade banks from ensuring their balance sheets are more resistant to funding pressures, and bank creditors from doing proper analysis.

(Going, going gone. -AM)

Proponents of the measure say there are plenty of other things in the legislation aimed at reducing risk in the banking sector, like tougher capital requirements. But those things don't need debt guarantees to work. If Washington wants bank creditors to do their homework, it needs to leave some uncertainty in the system.

(Damn dirty apes. Its' a madhouse! -AM)


AnonymousMonetarist's picture

The WSJ article referenced was on November 19th.

At no time will their hands leave their arms.

Rollerball's picture

Love the allegory.  Perfect fit.

tom a taxpayer's picture

Thank you, AnonymousMonetarist, for the latest crime report. The Wall Street gang of master thieves remains at large...committing one outrageous scam after another. Worse, the Treasury men that are supposed to protect the public and taxpayers are continuing to aid and abet Wall Street's latest frauds, money laundering, and looting of the U.S. Treasury.

lizzy36's picture

Question 1: GE capital was the biggest user of this program (to the tune of $90B), what is the incremental cost to GE going to be (no idea if JPM's comfortably numb redux touched on this)?

Question 2: who holds the most TLGP-guaranteed debt?


deadhead's picture


1. love the jpm comfortably numb!! 

2. i have searched the FDIC site to try to find a list and cannot find one.  it could be due to my shortcomings but it has not been for the lack of effort.

SDRII's picture

TGLP has a 0 risk weighting as far as bank capital so one suspects the banks own a ton of it

lizzy36's picture

thanks for reply. 

that risk weighting changed to 0% a/o end of Sept 2009.  prior to that is was 20%. hence my initial question..


deadhead's picture

for those that have children......don't you just get sick of telling or asking them the same thing over and over and over and over???

that's just how I feel about Lloyd Blankfein and Goldman Sachs on this FDIC TLGP matter. so, once again:

Lloyd: you stated in your recent WSJ interview that you "wished" that Goldman had borrowed zero under this program.  What the phuck man, you've got the money now and instead of handing it out as bonus compensation, pay us taxpayers back NOW and go out and borrow in the cap markets on your own without American taxpayer backstopping and guarnatees!

You are a complete hypocrite on this matter Mr. Blankfein and this hypocricy is just one example of why your recent apology tour is not being well accepted at all.  Frankly, you are full of bullshit.

Rollerball's picture

I have two teenage pre-college girls.  They know they're already 40,000 pesos in the hole before their first paycheck (phucked).  Mr. Middle Class is likely to go out with a bang Rather, Dan (not) a whimp.

David449420's picture

Rather Eurocentric, don't you think?


Hondo's picture

I couldn't agree more.  Before bonuses every last taxpayer subsidy should be paid back.  In effect the taxpayers are helping pay those **** bonuses.

time123's picture

Yes, the FDIC needs additional funding. But are the banks strong enough to provide it, or will the US Treasury be tapped to do it? It will interesting to watch how it will be done.