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Report US, Britain And France Have Promised East Libyan Rebels A No Fly Zone

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Contrary to prior expectations that all No Fly Zone decisions will have to go through the UN, Reuters reports an Al Jazeera update that US, Britain and France have promised East Libyan rebels the imposition of a No Fly Zone. While the latter two were expected, and hardly relevant considering both are quite impotent at actually imposing "any" zone anywhere in the world, the addition of the US, with its USS Enterprise floating in the region, is rather surprising, especially since the nobel peace prize winning teleprompter announced previously how no unilateral invasion (because that is what a No Fly Zone in essence) decisions would be made.

From Reuters:

Al Jazeera television reported on Monday that the United States, Britain and France had promised rebels in eastern Libya to set up a "no-fly" zone, which would help them fight counter-attacking government forces.

The Arabic satellite channel did not give a source for the report and had no further details. There was no immediate confirmation of the report.

 


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Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:43 | Link to Comment Cash_is_Trash
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War baby, war.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:51 | Link to Comment cossack55
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As usual we are on the wrong side.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:29 | Link to Comment BigJim
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Reuters reports an Al Jazeera update that US, Britain and France have promised East Libyan rebels the imposition of a No Fly Zone

Promised for no later than April... 2012

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:33 | Link to Comment tonyw
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comment coming up from Cameron now, 15:30 GMT.

We are clear that action must be necessary, legal and win broad support, but we must be ready to act if the situation requires it. Today, the EU agreed to consider all necessary options when it comes to these eventualities.

 

So when the situation requires it, it will happen, obviously not required yet!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:44 | Link to Comment jkruffin
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"especially since the nobel peace prize winning teleprompter announced previously how no unilateral invasion"

Tyler,

Since when did we start listening to anything Obama, or any other politician for that matter, has to say on any matter? Everytime they open their mouth a lie comes out.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:47 | Link to Comment UGrev
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Where can I trade on that? 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:55 | Link to Comment malikai
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Easy, just trade against the fundamentals and you're pretty much guaranteed to win. Ex: see Brent and WTI this morning.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:49 | Link to Comment docj
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Spot-on, jkr.  Just like everything The Teleprompter says I'm sure there's an expiration date on this "promise", too.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:03 | Link to Comment cswjr
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Wonder if they can rescind that Peace Prize, since it was given on the basis of what he said he was going to do... and he's now done the opposite?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:47 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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considering both are quite impotent at actually imposing "any" zone anywhere in the world

Uh, no. No fly zone = air supremacy. Both France as well as the UK have aircraft carriers which could carry out this purpose, especially versus a minor military power, such as Libya.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:49 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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France could very easily pull this off.  Libya's air defences and air force are a bad joke.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:18 | Link to Comment THE DORK OF CORK
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The UK has retired its last small Harrier carrier as well as its harrier force during a recent defence review - this was based on a decision to preserve a smaller number of Tornado squadrons.

The Italian navy has now a more powerful surface fleet then the RN at least on paper.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:24 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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Hmm, it would appear HMS Illustrious is the lone aircraft carrier in the British Royal Navy (and she is currently being used as helicopter platform), as the Royal Ark was literally just decommissioned (2 days ago). The Queen Elizabeth should be ready for service in 2016.

Oh great, much better to spend our taxes on welfare for chavtastic moms, than actually being able to defend ourselves. £210bn of £550bn income spent on welfare.

The UK used to rule the seas... how the mighty have falled.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:25 | Link to Comment BigJim
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Look at the bright side. We now have some extremely rich bankers to make up for it.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:31 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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That, plus an extremely broad welfare class, who use the bankers as a reason for imposing ever-heavier taxation on the middle class.

We're back in fucking Rome.

Tyler, I stand corrected. We couldn't impose a no-fly zone on the Isle of Man.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:37 | Link to Comment THE DORK OF CORK
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The last convential carrier the older "Ark Royal " was retired after pressure from the IMF back in 77.

This actually cost more money in the long run as Argentiana would never had invaded the Falklands if it was operational in 82.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bW7tjy7AOk

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:32 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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Your own Admiralty called the RN a coastal defense force.

Research the current ships they've built and you'll feel even worse.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:34 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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No, I don't want to. I feel depressed enough as it is.

Gordon Fucking Brown, man. Public sector spending went from 35%->53% of GDP during that moron, 3% surplus became a 13% deficit, 100 extra taxes on the middle class (including a giant private sector pension fund raid), ballooning underfunded public sector pension liabilities, and he couldn't even keep our supposed historic pride, aka the Royal Navy.

That man was a bigger fiscal disaster than WW2.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:16 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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Oh, buck up. Stiff upper lip and all that.

You gotta read this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/23/type_45_cpac_slammage/

Then this one for the full horror show.

Unarmed Royal Navy T45 destroyer breaks down mid-Atlantic

 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/24/daring_breaks_down/

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:24 | Link to Comment sushi
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UK has no operational carriers at present. They do have a base on Cyprus.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:49 | Link to Comment Zina
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Libya is close enough to France and the UK for aircraft carriers not be needed.

Anyway, if Malta cooperates, they have an airport very close to Libya. And there are lots of airports in Sicily, if Italy cooperates with the operation.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:31 | Link to Comment cossack55
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The problem with Italy is their switching sides every other week. You would need to publish and distribute a calendar to all allies and enemies. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:48 | Link to Comment scratch_and_sniff
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What about a "no-fly-zone" over Palestine.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:48 | Link to Comment UGrev
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You mean a "Bombs-away zone" over palestine. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:49 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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obama has to be the absolute worst president since george bush 2

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:51 | Link to Comment Josh Randall
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A Coalition of the Willing, son...Japan is sending Playstations

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:51 | Link to Comment robertocarlos
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So Chinese and Iranian troops on the ground are OK as well.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:49 | Link to Comment Silverhog
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They won't need many aircraft to cover the tiny airspace left over the rebels.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:54 | Link to Comment sangell
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yeah, isn't that the truth and unless it includes rockets and artillary shells I don't see it as doing anything to change the outcome.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:58 | Link to Comment cossack55
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I noticed all the rebels seem to be wearing what looks like IMF patches on their left arm.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:05 | Link to Comment Mercury
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This would contradict at least one leg of my oft-stated opinion that Obama will probably not "do" a no-fly zone and certainly not send troops into Libya.

We'll see what actually happens though.  It's a little odd, this late in the game and if Obama ends up weakly backing the losing side it will look lame as hell. 

This certainly doesn't come across as a well executed plan by someone who knows what he's doing or has any conviction.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:19 | Link to Comment bingaling
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If this is done - I think no ground troops is off the table as well even if it is under the table -I expect a 52 card deck to be dealt as soon as the no fly is up even if it is not " official ".

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:29 | Link to Comment dbTX
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for obvious reasons

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:58 | Link to Comment Gamblor
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"The case has not yet been made for this."

Ross Douthat bringing it this morning in the NYT:

http://nyti.ms/i4SFeH

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:02 | Link to Comment Twindrives
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Just put this new war on Ben's tab.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:06 | Link to Comment Ethics Gradient
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What are you saying about the British forces? We'll send our new aircraft carriers. They should get there in about 2018 when they're finally finished. The US will then be able to land planes on them because they'll be empty as we can't afford the planes - or even a catapult to launch them. Second thoughts, best not land on there.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:16 | Link to Comment PY-129-20
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But you still have some fine Sopwith Camel planes... ;-) This time we will send you the Red Baron...ehm I mean Michael Schumacher...as a support in this.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:05 | Link to Comment kaiten
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Ben could impose a no-fly zone as well. With his fleet of helicopters.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:31 | Link to Comment John McCloy
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  I do not know why but I always conjure up an image in my mind's eye of Ben taking off with his fleet Apocalypse Now style full "Ride of the Valkyries" blasting but the gatling gun spraying the peasants with FRN's as they run for cover.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:07 | Link to Comment SilverFiend
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What a disgrace.  Why do I keep expecting better from my country?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:13 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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We are a people without a country, without a culture and without a future, unless......

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:08 | Link to Comment TradingJoe
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My late grandfather used to say:

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement!

In this respect the US of A has learned NOTHING!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:09 | Link to Comment Doubleguns
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Someone dials 911 on the world phone and American answers it. Time to let someone else carry the damn back pack. How about letting the arab league enforce the no fly zone, spend their money, fuel, spare parts, blood, reputation. Doesn't anyone else have a spine. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:11 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Damn western politicians. Cannot stop bending over for their oil smeared overlords.

Little Snark in france, running scared because of full disclosure about his finances. GB and it's puppet state, the US of A, thinking they still understand the needs of the natives (subjugation, divide, rule, destroy), better than the natives themselves.

Gld to see this over-reach though. Ultimately, it will send them down in smoldering heaps.

In other news, India became the largest arms importer in the world.

Dear, poor, mis-guided, pacifist(Ha!) india.

General comeuppance and just desserts coming up, shortly.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/axis-trembles/

 

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:36 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Hey, where are those air cars I've been waiting on? WTF. I'm ready to assemble and hit the potholes....I mean roads.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:28 | Link to Comment gratefultraveller
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Well, these guys find themselves in a pickle. First they waited and watched for weeks who was going to win, and when it finally seemed like it was the rebels, they jumped on the their bandwagon. Now that Gaddafi seems to be winning, they cannot have that, as he is know to be quite irate and can be expected to feel the desire to "punish the traitors", maybe by stopping the oil exports.

Europe needs that oil far more than Gaddafi needs Europe's money.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:31 | Link to Comment Hondo
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Why are the US, Britian and France not helping the revolutionaries in Saudi, Bahrain and Yemen?????  It's all about oil and it has always been all about oil!!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:36 | Link to Comment scratch_and_sniff
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You dont even need to think about the oil, all you need to hear from the brits or yanks is the word "freedom", then you know there is some dastardly shit going down. pah! disgusting, double standards and filth, filth, filth.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:45 | Link to Comment edotabin
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Putting down our only export?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:33 | Link to Comment scratch_and_sniff
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The BBC reporters keep getting the Libyan’s to say "we want a no fly zone"...they are going up to little children and plebes in the street and asking them what they need "we want a no fly zone", mutter the plebes half-heartedly. Well fuck that, this thing stinks, the British war/shit-stirring establishment machine is being cranked up to #11. The BBC learned nothing from Iraq. You just know the brits are going to be dropping bombs on Libya when there is a permanent studio background picture behind the newsreader of a child holding up a banner “we want a no fly zone”. Roll up, roll up …now taking bets at 50:1.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:38 | Link to Comment Zina
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"While the latter two were expected, and hardly relevant considering both are quite impotent at actually imposing any zone anywhere in the world"

Hahahaha!

How arrogant Americans can be!

Do you really believe that the French Armée de l'Air and the Aéronavale, equiped with their Rafale fighters, togheter with the british RAF and their Tornado and Typhoon fighters, can't impose a no-fly zone on Gaddafi?

You are hilarious...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:03 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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Let them, then.

Go France and England!!!

We should sit this one out. Maybe offer to let them use our hospital ship. A little.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:29 | Link to Comment MarkS
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This isn't about the tactical capability of a platform, it is about the logistical effort required for power projection to keep aircraft airborne over the area that you are trying to control.

So, you not only need to keep the fighters in the sky, but also the Command and Control / electronic warfare aircraft and the tankers to keep them refueled.

And NO, France and Britian DO NOT have that capability without the US/NATO aircraft.

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:40 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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Why does Italy get a pass on this? Malta could be used for land based planes.

Oh, wait. Italy likes the Q. Nevermind.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:40 | Link to Comment Zeilschip
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Joke of the day is Jalil using Libya oil to blackmail countries into supporting the rebels ("No oil for you!")

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:46 | Link to Comment Weisbrot
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there are times when I feel the same way. at a time like this all we can do is "hope" that this "change" is something we can believe in. (even if today may not be that day, then perhaps sometime in the future.)

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:47 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Its all about the Rothschilds and BP.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:02 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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Hypocrisy!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:21 | Link to Comment Hannibal
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MOHAMMED BOUAZIZI

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 10:30 | Link to Comment CitizenPete
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Does that mean that the Bernanke will not be flying over with pallets of fiat?  Can we get a No Fly Zone over NY or does the POMO bubble up from the sewers? 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:29 | Link to Comment jesusonline
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Yey, more oil to the Anglo-Saxon empire! More Zionism enforced! For the sake of buncha ragtag rebels, of course. I wish the crazed colonel Gaddafi best of luck.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:35 | Link to Comment PulauHantu29
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Will France, UK and USA also back the Bahrain protesters?

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