• Phoenix Capital Research
    09/02/2010 - 15:21
    Honestly, I cannot predict when Bernanke will unveil QE 2. All I can say is that it largely does not matter in the grand scheme of things. Yes, it will cause some short-term volatility. But ultimately QE 2 will simply be a catalyst that speeds up the processes that are already underway. Those processes are: 1) Systemic collapse 2) Destruction of fiat money 3) Massive loss of wealth
  • madhedgefundtrader
    09/01/2010 - 23:06
    The 3 1/2 point sell off in the futures for the 30 year Treasury bond (TBT), at the end of last week was the sharpest drop in 18 months. All it took to set was for Q2 GDP to come in at 1.6%, and for Ben Bernanke to remain silent about any plans to flood the markets with more liquidity. After yields bottomed in 1956, bonds suffered negative returns for 30 years! Here come the 18% mortgages. One more equity puke out in September could easily give us the real thing. (TBT), (TMV), (TIPS).

Rick Santelli Uncut (And GE Turbofan Commercial Free)

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Having rapidly become the only person worth listening to on CNBC, Rick Santelli's insights on the economy are now far more valuable than any other guest's on the Jeff Immelt propaganda station. Which is why we were very happy to find that Eric King's latest interview was with none other than Mr. Santelli. The topics discussed are numerous, varied and and very critical to our economy, covering such concepts as deflation, deficit spending, bailouts, government spending multipliers, Fed transparency, spending cuts, austerity, the folly of Keynesianism, strategic defaults, direct bidders and treasury auctions, and lastly, tea party dynamics, making this a must hear interview for anyone still on either side of the economic fence, and who enjoys listening to Rick for longer than the 45 second segments the CNBC producers will allow.

  • Deflation: "deflation is the most disingenuous argument especially in the current conditions. [When the bubble process ends prices have to come down to reality] the process really is deleveraging, but what happens when prices go down you get the economists call it deflation. Deflation is always the biggest bogeyman in a central banker's closet. It also allows them to use the only tool in their toolbox, which is to spend money, and usually money they haven't collected yet, so it's usually a deficit form of spending. Think about what economists are trying to do: we go up too high in leverage, prices are too high, we try to correct that process, it's called deflation, and they try to put money in to prop it up at an artificial price-deleveraging is the word we should stick to"
  • Deficit spending: "the only thing that works is across the board tax cuts because it fuels the type of small business that does the bulk of the hiring"
  • Bailouts: "the only regulation that will ever work is failure. If you don't allow failure what you end up with is regulators trying to serve when it's time to take punch bowls away. Regulators never go against the grain. Back in 03-04 many in the fixed income markets saw it coming but nobody wants to pull that punch bowl away. Businesses should fail, that's the way the system was designed"
  • The Multiplier of Government spending: "Larry Summers on many occasions has said that the multiplier of government spending is greater than 1. If that was true, we'd never have another recession ever again, and I would be advocating to spend a trillion dollars every hour. It would be like a perpetual motion machine and all physicists know those are impossible. Every dollar the government spends comes from somebody's pocket"
  • Fed Transparency: "It seems to me we are making some progress on the financial audit. I absolutely agree that on all of the issues that take taxpayers' money and end up being distributed or put on the balance sheet and in any way used by the Fed, there should be an audit that should be fully transparent. I am worried about the financial accounting"
  • On Spending Cuts: "Listeners, this is going to be the most important thing I am going to say: we need to maintain the focus on spending, the politicians in my lifetime always spend. If we end up spending way more than we can take in, in essence the deficit panel becomes a tax panel. We must stop spending before we talk about VAT taxes or taxing Americans more, we need to get spending under control. The retings of congress are the lowest they have been in history." 
  • On Austerity: "Nobody wants that. But there is a silver lining - the UK have conditions in their economy worse than the US, but they came up with an austerity plan, and we see that their currency has been rewarded. The GBP has risen about 10% in a very short period of time."
  • On Keynesianism: "The Keynesians are both right and wrong. I don't think Keynes advocated the kind of helicopter-Ben spending  that many say he promoted. He promoted the kind of stimulus that created jobs, that's more the medicine for a cyclical downturn, we have a structural issue because of the bubble credit scenario."
  • On the ECB's Debt Monetization: "I think that the ECB has a huge issue and they are behind the ball. They don't have a constitution in the eurozone, they have cultural and monetary cultural issues to deal with. I think that buying securities or monetizing or QE is always a bad idea. Once there is a subsidy in the marketplace, it becomes the normal pricing mechanism. For the Fed or the ECB to unload these securities, becomes a destabilizing force and in the long run does more harm than good."
  • On Strategic Defaults: "I have feelings on this that go both ways. I think morally I would have an issue doing that, but people who did the mortgage, or the second mortgage, or took a HELOC to pay for cars, pay for the vacations, I think it is reprehensible that we end up reshuffling wealth to pay some of that off. But I think the dynamic is from the government side - I think contracts between banks and homeowners - if it's unsecured, it's unsecured, I don't have an issue with that."
  • On Direct Bidders being a proxy for the Fed (a much debated topic on Zero Hedge) and Treasury Auctions in general: "That's the best question anyone has asked me in a long time. I think there is a recycling quid pro quo going on: the Fed is making banking obsolete because a lot of the programs that they have is to take the cheap end of the curve and invest it in Treasuries. Well the Treasury needs as many buyers as it can get. I think the financial institutions are recycling easy money that should be going into John Q Public's pocket, to those that deserve credit, all this money is ending up in the forms of purchases of 10, 7, and 5-Year Notes, and I don't like that way that's working. That's why I think that raising rates would be a good thing. Why? Because it would take some of the easy ways the banks recycle the Fed's cheap money and put it back in the hands of the public and actually make banking a relationship between banks and Americans that need it whether it is for funding a mortgage or funding a small business."
  • And on Tea Party dynamics: "I think November 2 is going to be a watershed of Americans letting Washington know they're the boss."

Full must hear interview can be listened to here, courtesy of King World News.

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by Carl Marks
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:16
#450885

Makes too much sense. Must be wrong.

by Popo
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 05:00
#451437

On Keyensianism he could be even more clear:

Here's Keynesianism in a nutshell:  When times are good, government has to save.  When times are bad, government has to spend.

A work of genius, it is not.

The problem with the jackasses running the show right now is that they forgot the first part and now they're trying to implement the second.  They forgot the 'saving' part, and they're attempting the 'spending' part. That of course, is retarded -- and only produces unsustainable compound debt.

To be fair, Keynes gets a bad rap because the dim bulbs in power today claim to be Keynesians.  They are not, and never have been.  The only word for the current fiscal philosophy is one of "utter irresponsibility".   Bernanke has a big green flashing button marked "Spend", and he slaps it whenever he gets into trouble... then he yammers on about the "art" of central banking...  What a douche.

 

by overmedicatedun...
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 08:14
#451509

Po, I have not seen you post here on zzzzhhh,

so perhaps you have missed a few points:

a. gov leaders always need a crisis so times are always BAD.

b. saving in good times has no current benefit to your voters, how do you justify that you belong in DC? The next guy will bring home the bacon.

c. so simple if you would think about who is in gov ..not angels. so simple Keynesianism in our system of gov is unworkable and leads to QE2 and 3 ....

stay in the real world please.We here at ZH value that, above all else.

by economicmorphine
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 08:33
#451519

There's nothing wrong with his post.  It's certainly preferable to posts from pompous jackasses who lecture other posters on what to post, for example.  The fact of the matter is he's right.  

by anarchitect
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 08:57
#451528

He's right, but so is the response, because it explains why politicians will never save when times are good. That makes the response even more insightful and useful than the original post.

by overmedicatedun...
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 09:21
#451537

as hard as TD and many here on ZH try to remove bias from our views and post what

evidence there is for what is true vs manipulated data or facts or preconceptions, many will cling to long held ideas no matter how much the objective data refutes them..

the human condition..socialists ..if stalin was only a pure communist it would have worked..

as for kensyians: we will keep the faith no matter how many times it fails.

the founding fathers did not put much faith in "those who seek to govern are angels"

when you assign almost absolute power to others why expect to get anything other than what human nature predicts: there are many more sociopaths than angels in any current population of those seeking power.

by mdwagner
on Tue, 07/06/2010 - 11:22
#454497

Keynes also said that too large of a trade deficit will lead to permanent recession.

by wagefreedom
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:06
#450887

Oh for the day when a guy so marginalized by CNBC can have more of a platform. Thanks for this.

by Enkidu
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:31
#450947

+++++

by russki standart
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:26
#451113

Never happen. GE, aka CNBC, is a financial  services firm in the business of selling stock and carbon credits. Santelli is a guiding light in a sea of mediocrity,  but the first and last purpose of CNBC is to promote GE views via soft porn stars and stock hypesters.

by A Nanny Moose
on Mon, 07/05/2010 - 14:31
#453318

Wait a second...wasn't NBC sold to Comcast?

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:10
#450889

I suspect the only reason Rick remains employed by CNBC is because he brings some credibility to the network. I keep CNBC running on my desktop all day with the volume off........except when I notice Rick is speaking. Then the volume is immediately turned on and I pay attention. I suspect since my TV is tuned to CNBC for the entire business day, I'm measured as a viewer. I know of a number of other independent brokers who do the same thing.

It just kills me to think that I might just be one of many who are keeping CNBC alive and kicking. Please CNBC, fire Rick so your network can die the natural death it deserves

by RockyRacoon
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:38
#450914

I also have CNBC on all the time.  There are cherries to pick now and then, but Santelli always gets my attention.  For a possible scenario, just see how Dylan Ratigan's career changed for basically the same philosophy diversions.  (Not necessarily the same ideas, just the dissonance of viewpoints compared to the network as an entity.)

by ZeroPower
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:41
#450916

Word. Have CNBC playing on mute like most ppl, usually turn it up to hear Santelli and if perhaps Schiff, Grasso, Gartman, or one of the PimpCos are on. Strategy session's not bad either. Fast Money's half decent.

Oh anyone know what Jeff Macke is up to? Youtube Macke Attack and enjoy:)

by Spitzer
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:14
#451092

i thought strategy session was lame as fuck. I like Kudlow

by Nikki
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 07:34
#451491

Kudlow ?. Surely you are trying to be a provocateur Spitzer. I wish I had the YouTube link of him and (f)Art Laffer ripping on Peter Schiff's housing/banking doom scenario.... That came to be.

Kudlow is a buffoon, a clod, a clown, charlatan, hypster, con man.... Or as most ZH readers would say... Ass Clown.

by RockyRacoon
on Mon, 07/05/2010 - 19:38
#453639

Kudlow is my best contra-indicator.  He has, however, lately admitted that gold is becoming an important currency.  So, he can't be all wrong -- just 90% wrong.

by Mark McGoldrick
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:47
#450920

I do the exact same thing. 

I have my back to the television virtually all day with low volume - except for Rick's commentary. For that brief minute, I actually pay attention to CNBC.   

He always makes sense, and I never feel like I'm being sold an agenda.  Just unfiltered, sensible, honest market commentary.  Why is that so fucking difficult?

 

by hayleecomet
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:27
#450942

Touche', CD.   I went from muting CNBC straight to Bloomberg on mute.  Even though I miss Santelli, I couldn't take LOOKING at that station with their octi-boxes and tight titti-sweaters.  They should all be sent to the cartoon network.

ZH should take a poll on how many people keep CNBC tuned in with the mute button.  LOL.

by SPONGE
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 21:17
#451206

+1 for the mute.

   It's just a stream  for some instant market info. without taking up a computer screen

by FEDbuster
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 23:40
#451342

That Mandy gal is easy on the eyes, she and Rick should go to FOX.

by Treeplanter
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:30
#451022

I do the same.  CNBC is useful for the changing numbers display and worth hearing when Rick is on.   

by lynnybee
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:13
#451045

removed / i goofed .

 

by Arius
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:20
#451107

simon is good too...

by russki standart
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:30
#451114

Quoting CD: Please CNBC, fire Rick so your network can die the natural death it deserves

 

Amen, Brother. Let us pray...

by laughing_swordfish
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 02:09
#451388

Same Here.

Here at DKM Trading Division we are Bloomberg subscribers but I have a monitor in my office tuned to CNBS with the sound muted.

Santelli (and DR) are the only ones I crank the volume for - except to laugh at Cramer when he's really contrary to all sense and logic.

He's always good for a laugh at the end of the day - and I instruct the younger men to listen carefully to what he has to say and be careful to do the opposite.

 

KrvtKpt. laughing swordfish

DKM Trading Division

 

 

by Alcoholic Nativ...
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:12
#450890

"Having rapidly become the only person worth listening to on CNBC"

lol, aint that the truth, though I do like looking at Erin Burnett on mute.

by knukles
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:17
#450899

Liz Clayman on Fox

by Alcoholic Nativ...
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:33
#450909

I don't watch FOX, Haven't checked out their business channel, local cable monopoly doesn't offer it, but the regular FOX, I can't decide if they are trying to insult my intelligence or disgust me.  Same could be said for most MSM nowadays though.

by ZeroPower
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:43
#450917

Mandy 'Whatever' Drury ftw

by Miss Expectations
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:08
#451012

You've forced me to say this.  Look closely at Rick, I think he has, uhhh, quite a package.

by Rick64
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:13
#450892

Santelli is never one to pull punches. Speaks what he believes, a straightshooter.

by Mitchman
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:06
#450970

Dear Scooby,

Your owner either obviously forgot to pick up after you or he needs a bigger pooper scooper.

by Rick64
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 21:53
#451239

I am guessing that you disagree. Why I don't know but maybe you should stop watching cartoons and state your reasoning.

by homersimpson
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:21
#451052

Scooby lay off the doobies and stop talking out of your ass.

by Rick64
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 21:50
#451236

Who is Scooby and why are you listening to my ass?

by Scooby Dooby Doo
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 22:31
#451276

Homer wants to hear you play your horn.

by King_of_simpletons
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:15
#450896

November 2 ?? Then what ?? Rotation of the crooks batallion from assholes to buttholes

by buzlightening
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:15
#450936

LOL King?  Maybe mix it enough the powers that be do not know who to bribe in the CONgress/SINate for globilzation and eventual world rule; after 11/2!!  Still enough AmeriCON'd the beautiful to take we the peoples choice award from these rat basturds who call dead head fed goons selves; a representation of free people!!  

by juangrande
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:55
#451004

What if everyone voted for candidates from one of the small independent parties regardless of your opinion of them?  No Dems. no Repubs. Just the clusterfuck that would happen while special interests scrambled to "inform" the newbies and the learning time needed to become a "politician" might buy some extra time for folks to wake up! I mean it couldn't be any worse than it is now, right?

by Treeplanter
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:36
#451024

Lindsay Graham wants the Tea Party to die off.  Yeah, anyone with independence drives them crazy. Imagine a huge audit of investment banks, the Fed, Treasury...   And prosecutions to follow.  It may take a national bankruptcy to get there.  

by russki standart
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:50
#451134

What Lindsay Graham really wants is to get his hands on the WH pages..

by Miss Expectations
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:05
#451011

by traderjoe
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 20:25
#451162

Agree - the one thing he's got wrong is that the Tea Party will have any impact in the current environment. The Corporations will never let anyone but either of the two/same parties get elected. And the sheeple don't really want to upset the Apple cart too much. Not yet anyway. 

by Temporalist
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 20:54
#451184

I don't believe it's about electing someone from a different party but rather choosing someone from any party that they have the power to influence electing.

by New_Meat
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 10:04
#451575

traderjoe:

"The Corporations will never let anyone but either of the two/same parties get elected. And the sheeple don't really want to upset the Apple cart too much. Not yet anyway."

Bob McDonnell (VA), Chris Cristie (NJ), Scott Brown (MA), Bob Bennett (UT).  We know it is a small sample size, but do you see any correlation in here?

- Ned

by Bananamerican
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 10:34
#451609

Aye lad! There all Scottsmen!

(is that it??)

by New_Meat
on Mon, 07/05/2010 - 16:50
#453498

Tromso, Norway, Feb. '83 SAS Royal Hotel (after a couple of weeks in the snow):

Charles (a Captain in 45 Commando): "Lass, I'd like some whiskey".

Waitress: "Yes Sir, American or Canadian?"

Charles: "No, Lass, you'd say Scotch."

Waitress: "Yes Sir, would you like that with water or soda?"

Charles: "No, lass."

Waitress: "Would you like that on the rocks?"

Charles: "Lassie, that's still fooking water."

thanks-lmao.

- Ned

 

by Psquared
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 20:46
#451177

Our only hope is gridlock.

by knukles
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:16
#450897

It's the Bond Guys Always Make Sense, when they're not the market or talking book.

by AccreditedEYE
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:24
#450903

Thanks TD!

by Gordon_Gekko
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:26
#450905

He's got some right ideas but overall too weasel-ish, IMHO. 

by Scooby Dooby Doo
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:32
#450908

And why is he so weasel-ish? Because he takes after his boss, Immelt board member of the New York Federal Reserve Bank.

http://www.jewishcanton.org/92y_immelt.html

by Marla And Me
on Tue, 07/06/2010 - 11:26
#454502

Non-sequitur, meet your friend, Scooby Dooby Doo

"And why is he so weasel-ish? Because he takes after his boss, Immelt board member of the New York Federal Reserve Bank.

http://www.jewishcanton.org/92y_immelt.html"

Scooby, we wouldn't want your wonderful comments to be junked into oblivion now would we.  Seriously Tyler, we need to up the junk oblivion to 30 comments... 20 is too short.  Divide and conquer...

by Arius
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:22
#451109

yeah well...he is on cnbc after all...if everybody knew the game then they got to start a new game....cant be smt that everyone knows about...someone got to take the other side of the trade and get one for the team

by russki standart
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:47
#451130

GG, I am surprised he is allowed the degree of free rein he enjoys today. Financial reporting in the MSM is, at best inaccurate, and mostly misleading. GE needs suckers to take the other side of the trade, and what better way than to own a MSM outlet to talk their book.

by Bendromeda Strain
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 08:25
#451514

 

He's got some right ideas but overall too weasel-ish, IMHO.

They say the same about Celente. I detect a current of paisanophobia!

by ConfederateH
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:30
#450907

Rick is far and away the best that CNBC offers (I know, that's a low, low bar) but what bothers me is Rick's belief that in the end the system is worth saving.  He is so trapped in the cesspool the he can't seperate the cess from the turds.

by SayTabserb
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:48
#450922

One question: what does Santelli mean when he says the banks are "taking the cheap end of the curve" and investing it in Treasuries? This racket seems to be the key to the maintenance of the Treasury auctions going forward - if the Fed provides money to the banks at x % (.5%?) and allows them to make "Direct" purchases at 2-3% on Treasury bonds, then of course this game can go on forever and there is no reason for banks to bother with irritating real Americans who want to borrow money FROM them and maybe not pay it back. This also allows the Treasury the gimmick of an endless BTC at acceptable levels. But what exactly is the funding mechanism, Fed to banks, that Santelli is talking about? Just very curious. Anyone?

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:30
#450930

"But what exactly is the funding mechanism, Fed to banks, that Santelli is talking about? Just very curious. Anyone?"

It doesn't matter. As with most severely addicted or alcoholic, the only purpose in life is to get to the next fix or drink. It seems the banks/corporations and other economic system players are at this point. The funding source, how to get there from here, what to do when the supply runs out or changes, it all doesn't matter anymore. Just get me something to kill the pain now.

This utter desperation and fixed focus sweeps away all common sense. And any long term planing, defined as anything longer than the next fix, is totally absent. The Fed has everyone and everything strung out and willing to do anything to get through the day.

BTW, if speaking plainly and openly about our collective problems causes people so much pain that they would junk this comment, you have more problems than you recognize.

by cbaba
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:16
#451049

+100 totally agree with you.

dont know who junked you, there are already 2 junks none is mine. as you said we have more trouble than we recognize.

 

by DoctoRx
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:20
#451050

Agree w your comments including the final one, CD
Wish there would be a way to anti-junk.  Sure, people may disagree, but junking anti-Semitic comments is good to see, but junking your ZH mainstream comment strikes me as fringy.   

by anotheranon
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 04:32
#451424

So it's fine for someone to express an opinion so long as you agree with them and it's 'mainstream', but if it's an opinion you personally disagree with then it's fine to censor them? I can tell you're a big fan of freedom of speech.

Fan of Trotsky by any chance?

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 06:26
#451471

I wasn't talking about freedom of speech when I talked about junking.

It seems you and others might misunderstand the purpose of the "junk" flag. It's not intended to indicate a disagreement of opinion. That's what the comment "reply" button is for. Junk, as per the ZH "terms of service", is to indicate blatantly offensive or completely unintelligible/off topic posts. What "junking" has turned into is the cowardly/lazy way of disagreeing without showing their face. 

by Gully Foyle
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 10:19
#451588

Cognitive Dissonance

I applaud anyone who junks you.
You post self aggrandizing drivel.
The fact is even your own family has seen the truth regarding your weak assed philosophy. You yourself admitted your GF shot down your child rearing ideas. This is the person who is closest to you and should value your ideas. Instead she sees you as a Child Psych Uwe Boll.

by Marla And Me
on Tue, 07/06/2010 - 11:32
#454523

Gully, you're just still salty because CD politely asked that you maybe summarize the links you provide instead of copying and pasting them in their entirety.  He's kind of right... and he must have hit a cord given the level of vitriol exhibited by your ad hominem.

by Nikki
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 09:55
#451565

I'm not sure I agree with you on junking anti-sematic posts. If you mean junking a post that spews hatred for all semetic peoples, Jews and Arabs then I agree. If you are junking people who dare to discuss the Zionist cabal that is dis-proportionally represented in govt., media, banking (incl. Central), SCOTUS etc. then I would say you are blind fool. I like to see a distinction between the unfocused hatred and focused disgust of blatant criminality and corruption. I by no means believe every Italian is connected to the mafia and the same applies for Jewish people. The mafia does exist and so does the kosher nostra.

Junk away if you must...

by Arius
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:31
#451115

CD - cant change people...losers will be losers...otherwise, whats the point of being a winner... :)  PLS junk this post....losers

by Kayman
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 21:40
#451229

SayTabserb

It is effectively printing money. Rolling over the old debt does not create new money, but all new debt that the Treasury issues is being backdoor financed, through credit creation by Benny and the Jets.

The reward for the Fed accomplices, is indeed the spread- long to short.

It's a hell of a price for the U.S. Taxpayers to pay just so Benny and Timmy can say they are not printing money to fund the deficit.

by MountainHawk
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:54
#450927

Tea party movement..too little too late... The tea has gotten gold, guess that' makes it an iced tea...damn I'm funny

by Scooby Dooby Doo
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:06
#450931

Ritholtz - "Faux Rant", is all I gotta say.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/rick-santellis-faux-rant/

CNBC picks up on the popularity of the faux rant and now it has become Santelli's stock-in-trade.

ZH loves to stroke the faux.

Scooby Dooby Doo!

by Problem Is
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 21:23
#451212

8 Junks... Scooby, have you been crapping on people's lawns again?

by Scooby Dooby Doo
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 22:12
#451256

It's the Goldman fat finger boy. He keeps his finger fat by clicking the hedge. Persecuting innocent members of the commune. You should see what he does to Leo.

by Hephasteus
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 03:20
#451413

Those assholes are everywhere. Paying people with counterfeit money.

by Scooby Dooby Doo
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 11:31
#451697

Don't get mad. If I was Santelli and commissioned ZH for a fantastic fluff piece. But ZH delivered a story calling my penis small and uncut I'd pay them in counterfeit fiatcons too.

AhRubbyDoobieDoo!

by Treeplanter
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:38
#451027

Maybe just in time.  We'll know in the next two elections.

by Mae Kadoodie
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 14:57
#450928

The Great Santelli.  CNBS should wise up & give Santelli & Liesman a two hour in studio show together.  If things get physical, you'll have the making of some great live tv.

by New_Meat
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:16
#450937

Went to a fight, and a financial show broke out. - Ned

by Mitchman
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:30
#450991

LMAO!  2 minutes for truth telling!

by buzlightening
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:04
#450932

Always liked Santelli and even more after listening to his insight!  Why can't we have Rick Santelli holding treasury purse strings rather than tiny tim using that turd he calls his goon sucks head!!  Oh we the people need wake up and I sincerely, with regards to Rick would like change 11/2!!  Lets oust the inscument rat basturds and never look back on AmeriCON'd the beautiful!  One nation under fraud; as ignorance is bliss!!  Vote out all dead head fed goon inscumbent rat bastards!!  Just one of them returns to office and we the people are rot to ripe and fall completely away from the tree of true liberty!!

by thesapein
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:08
#450934

When I was listening to KWN this morning, I was hoping this would be one of those every other Saturday links to a KWN interview. Particularly, I loved the way he called out deflationists who sound like protectionists wanting to save the TBTF's failed assets.

by ColonelCooper
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 20:12
#451155

I was one of the eight junks so far.  I can't stand when people junk without putting their name on it.

JUNK

by MsCreant
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 20:34
#451168

It seems to me he did not listen to the King news world broadcast. There is a whole lot more there than the comments this poster cited. I will refrain from an actual junk, I save those for special situations. 

by New_Meat
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 10:10
#451580

Ms: OT, I had mentioned this to you previously.  Just an example.  Happy Fourth. - Ned

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/spains-green-policies-an-economic-disaster/

 

by arnoldsimage
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:20
#450941

tyler... please run an article about this. this is crazy. http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=203

by ThinkAVP
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:49
#450957

That is CRAZY!!

BP and Government prob have no way of actually resolving this situation..  BP is worried about their balance sheets and investors,  Gov is prob worried about BP going Bankrupt WHO KNOWS!.. Whatever the situation,  this is another way to buy some time away from the TRUTH.. The government doing what they know how to do best, try and hide the situation until they are royaly FUCKED in this downward economy!!

by Muir
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:52
#450958

I agree

by thesapein
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:54
#450961

Remember when even war was not an excuse to stop investigative journalism? Oh, wait, that before my lifetime. Now, our Prez can just repeat the slogan "state of emergency" and we all rollover, like magic. Pretty nifty.

There's not much investigative journalism left in this country to try and stop anyway. 

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:25
#450987

When the mainstream media is controlled by 5 or 6 multinational corporations, there isn't much chance of independent investigative reporting. Where would it be showcased, who would listen, why would anyone listen? I've asked a number of people why they don't seek out alternative information sources. The answer is surprisingly simple and pathetic.

It's too much work. Period.

Why spend extra time and effort not only trying to find alternative sources but then face the burden of determining who is speaking truth and who is lying. We must all remember that each day is a new day and people have a choice to make. Do I fight against the system and relearn, re-question, everything I think I know or do I just go with the flow and accept what is spoon feed to me.

The mainstream media information flow is design to be not only continuous but to maintain continuity with what was said yesterday, last week and last month. The alternative media upsets the applecart and it requires within oneself that quality that is mostly absent today.

Moral courage!

Moral courage to buck the trend, to swim upstream and against the flow. Thus to the extremely frightened and conditioned mind, it is easier to just not fight. For the captured mind, even when the door to the prison is open and the guards are absent, the conditioned mind will not step out. This is why we must slowly educate and encourage them to step out. There are no miracle cures folks, just lots of hard work ahead of us.

by Mitchman
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:28
#450990

Great post, CD.  Thank you.

by ConfederateH
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:56
#451005

CD, all Anderson wants to do is to get pictures of suffering animals so he can bombard us with them 24 hours a day to increase his ratings.  I don't need hours of clips repeated hundreds of times a day in order to understand that this is a catastrophe and that I, just like you, and both of us far less than Al Gore, Paul McCartney, Richard Branson or any others belonging to the glitteratti also had a part in this catastrophe.  This is what happens when you enjoy the benefits of cheap energy.  But then again how many trillions of animals each year suffer a brutal death in order to support the food chain?

by Scout Itout
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:23
#451020

But then again how many trillions of animals each year suffer a brutal death in order to support the food chain?

 

As many as it takes!

by Bendromeda Strain
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 08:51
#451522

There's room for all God's creatures next to the mashed potatoes.

What? We're not talking about olive or peanut oil? Now I'm outraged...

by Bananamerican
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 10:58
#451644

Paul McCartney?!?

by Island_Dweller
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:51
#451032

CD, all Anderson wants to do is to get pictures of suffering animals so he can bombard us with them 24 hours a day to increase his ratings.

 

then you don't have to watch AC, but to stop him or any other "journalist" from getting information is unacceptable! 

by Problem Is
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 21:29
#451218

"then you don't have to watch..."

That Is Right:
Go to Home Depot... Buy that sledge hammer... Destroy your teevee... Learn to read... and not the NYT or the WashPost...

by Bananamerican
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 11:06
#451653

somehow, the wife and i just sort of "drifted away" from television in '05.

the level of unreality/BS of tv news in particular had the most to do with it...but even the dramas seemed to be getting more derivative, "the simpsons" was getting tired. The other shit on da tube 'mo snarkier, harder and crass (like the obese tattooed populace-"Fuck obesity! dbl FUCK tattoos!!)

Was it always thus for the People of the Samizdat?

by dogbreath
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 14:10
#451952

I am in my mid late 40's and owned a TV for all of 6 months.  The town I lived in had limited choices of channels which were all pathetic.  I was spending hours scrolling thru channels hoping to find somthing interesting.  When I get in a hotel room I find the TV is a distraction and a waste of time.  Also to quote the great P. Floyd " xxx channels of shit on the TV to choose from" 

At least with the internet the IQ of what I view is higher.  

I think both with television and the internet there is subliminal programing in the feed.  I know for a fact this is done in print advertizing so its not a stretch to believe there is at least some in other media.  

kill your TV 

by Rick64
on Mon, 07/05/2010 - 07:00
#452824

 +1M to all the above. Kill the tv and watch your intelligence increase dramatically.

by seventree
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:35
#451085

This is what happens when you enjoy the benefits of cheap energy

How many times must we be subjected to the "False Choice" argument: Either -- we allow industries to destroy anything in their path, to take insane cost-shaving risks that we all end up paying the price for when they fail -- or -- we simply give up all modern civilization and technology, starving and cowering in the dark.

BULLSHIT! This is such transparent sophistry that a third grader could see through it. But supposedly intelligent adults repeat it over and over.

Now that one such operation has gone worse than anyone anticipated, we have a joint BP/CG security blanket thrown over it. Not to avoid overexposure of suffering sea life (I mean god it's getting so tiresome to look at) but to protect us all from the burden of knowing all the ugly details and being forced to think about them.

by dogbreath
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 13:54
#451930

Sorry captain.  JUNK.

 

This did not need to happen in order to have cheap energy which I enjoy.  It happened because a major oil company was cheap lazy and corrupt.

by Miss Expectations
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:50
#451030

I probably should have said this sooner, but I love it when you pop in and add so much to the  conversations.  Thank you.

Years ago I was on the phone with an associate who was visiting our vendors in the Chicago area.  She was driving and yells, "I don't know where the hell I'm going!  I'm supposed to be going North and I think I'm going East!" I asked her what road she was on.  She said  Interstate 80.  I said you're going either East or West.  She said, "How the hell do you know that!!"  I said even numbers go East and West and odd numbers go North and South. She yells again, "How the hell can I be 45 fucking years old and not fucking know that!"

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:21
#451044

"She yells again, "How the hell can I be 45 fucking years old and not fucking know that!"

That statement says so much and yet the real question is, did she ever take the next step and find out why she didn't know what she should have known? This is where the moral courage comes into play. Anyone can, and often does, open their eyes and see, of only for brief moments.

Where we go from that point defines us as individuals and as a collective. When I talk about moral courage, I'm not necessarily talking about standing up to the external machine. I'm talking about standing up to the personal unknowns and finding the personal courage to take just one more step forward.

And after that, each day, each time, taking another step forward and another and another. The first one is always the hardest and sometimes the moral courage is initially lacking. But desperation for something, anything, different is an acceptable substitute. Once the first step has been overcome, a little bit of experience has been created and we find that our world didn't end and it wasn't as painful as we imagined.

We must first find this moral courage in ourselves. Only then can we be an example for those who will follow. And they will follow because this time, this insanity has played out and is coming to an end. Who will join together as we enter a brave new world where we find the inner strength and peace that has always been there, waiting to be released?

It's there folks. It's always been there. The powers that be know this and it is the one thing that keeps them up at night. Isn't it ironic that the very power that frightens them so much is denied by those who actually posses it, you and I. At least someone has faith in us. But not for long will we be without faith and belief in ourselves. It is inevitable that this insanity comes to an end and we overcome our on roadblocks.

by LeBalance
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:00
#451074

:) !!!!

CD, you are so correct about courage.  But when it is time to go there is no doorway back.  There is only the path and the divergence from the norm or what we thought was the norm.  It is scary, but you meet people along the way and help people along the way.

 

Who am I? (A place to start).

 

"The place that you are right now God circled on a map for you." - Hafiz

 

"Out beyond the ideas of rightdoing and wrongdoing,

There is a field,  I'll meet you there,

When the soul lays down in that grass,

The world is too full to talk about,

Ideas, language, even the phrase each other,

Doesn't make any sense." - Rumi

 

These words from Sufi sages are comfort along the road that offers little comfort at times.

 

Everyone is blessed, even the squid.  How could you stand where you stand and be you, without the dutiful squid?

by Arius
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:42
#451120

CD - perhaps, you are correct to expect a bit more of people who come to ZeroHedge, but in general people will find the moral courage when they run out of bread...otherwise, they will be just sheep...thats what history tells us...i think

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 21:13
#451167

It must start somewhere. Why not here?

And yes, I do expect more of Zero Hedge posters. Perhaps I ask too much? Ultimately we will act like we have nothing left to lose once we have nothing left to lose. I know we can act before we get to this point. I know we are capable of acting before we get to this point. I'm personally acting before we get to this point. Who else is willing to act before we get to this point?

I'm not asking anyone to move the mountain, only to be responsible for your piece of the puzzle and maybe that of one friend, family member or complete stranger. Who will be the first if everyone is waiting for someone else to go first?

by Arius
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 07:24
#451487

agree - thanks for your contributions, really enjoyed your 5 pieces, have them in my favorites to read them again...

by Gully Foyle
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 10:24
#451593

Cognitive Dissonance

Dude your own family rejected your approach to raising your child.
If they don't trust you and your opinions why the fuck should total strangers?
After all they know what kind of person you are and how limited your intelligence.

by Scooby Dooby Doo
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 15:12
#452037

Ouch, diss'en the Dis. Let's see the defense.

by ZeroPower
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 19:10
#452299

 Barely legible drivel.

by Rick64
on Mon, 07/05/2010 - 07:06
#452830

If they don't trust you and your opinions why the fuck should total strangers?

 If having your family believe in your ideas or philosophy is a prerequisite to being validated and accepted then many wise people would be doomed.

by brown_hornet
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:47
#451064

Its a good thing your colleague wasn't on I-90 or 94 because for more than 30 miles they run north-south thru the city

by Bendromeda Strain
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 08:58
#451529

Good thing she wasn't on I-195 (RI/MA), that puppy goes East/West.

by FoodTiger
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:38
#451059

WTF

I went to sleep on Earth last night and woke up on Bizarro World.

by seventree
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:41
#451060

Thad Allen works for the US government, right? Or is he a sleeper agent embedded by the UK?

Because as far as I can tell, the US Coast Guard is just moonlighting as private security for BP.

by buzlightening
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:30
#450946

Sure this is explicative from FKNNezs!  http://main.fknnewz.com/blog/?p=1488  What a 2 minute segment to bring on and celebrate the 4th!!  Makes my blood boil and want to be certain the US is void of rat basturds waving the AmeriCON'd flag of freedumb to further goons world wide agenda for rule!  World wider goons want it all and run it from money to power to one size fits all the people of the world regime!!  I think not as long as I live!!  Any one else want our AmeriCON'd back and feel similarly!!  Rat bastard lil scamBO now has power to pull the plug on the net and it'll be used soon!!  Can't let the sheeple know our tyrannical leaders are ravenous wolves!  

by Au Member
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:38
#450951

I like santelli but he said in the interview that the fed is a govt agency. Rick- WTF are you talking about, it's a private bank fleecing the 'we the people' for it's shareholders IE the banks that are getting the free cash now at the discount window.

Maybe GE is a govt agency also Rick.

by Mitchman
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:04
#450964

With all due respect, you are caviling.  There was a time, prior to the Greenspan/Berbungler years when the Fed was thought of as an entity independent of the administration.  Sadly, that is no more.  IMHO, they are an arm of the Treasury.

GE would not exist were it not for all of the Government guarantees of their commercial paper when the CP market froze as well as the government guarantee (explicit and implicit) of their asset backed paper.  In addition, back in the days when they were a Aaa rated company (and we all know what THAT is worth) their web site that catered to individual investors was making statements selling their paper that should have been shut down by both the SEC and the FTC.

So yes, GE is a government agency and a mouthpiece of the government through its ownership of CNBS.  And, by the way, as has been amply demonstrated, a company entirely built n accounting to make Andy Fastow blush and as much of a Aaa, Aa or anything else as Greece was a Aaa in November, 2009.

by New_Meat
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 10:27
#451596

Mitch, YES!

"GE would not exist were it not for all of the Government guarantee..."

But, lest we forget, there was also Mr. Oracle of Omaha, ready to bend Immelt and gang over the table for that week's payroll.  What was it? +/- $5BB with annual payout at 18% forever?  More or less that.

Can't blame poor Jeff, after Welch had been stealing from GE Re for so many years.  Barron's Cover, 12/26/05 and the hilarious letters that followed.

- Ned

 

by Muir
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:58
#450956

Bullshit.

I love it when I can disagree with previous 34 posters.

One question.

Where was Mr. Santelli's outrage of TARP, AIG backdoor bailout of GS, FASB's mark-to-as_you_please, various FED lending facilities?

Since I do not watch CNBC too much, (watch Bloomberg on mute) maybe I missed it.

by banksterhater
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:04
#450967

He's talked against all those at some time or another. He knows corruption and fraud at every turn & says it.

by SilverIsKing
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:19
#450984

That's funny.  I watch CNBC on mute and I have no idea what's going on on Bloomberg although unlike you, I don't claim to know what's happening on a station I don't watch.

by Muir
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:26
#451017

 

Nothing funny about it (ESP or otherwise) I said: "Since I do not watch CNBC too much, (watch Bloomberg on mute) maybe I missed it (and was being somewhat facetious at that.)

 

But I noticed that none of the mad tea-hatters answered my simple question:

Where was Mr. Santelli's outrage of TARP, AIG backdoor bailout of GS, FASB's mark-to-as_you_please, various FED lending facilities?

You wanna give it a try smart guy?

 

 

(and yes, I know he's "mentioned it." I said "outrage" as he does when cherring the tea-hatters)

 

I hope all those that praised Mr. Santelli have net assets North of 10M, otherwise, it seems idiotic to ask that the bank be secured AFTER it was robbed!

 

by nmewn
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:42
#451028

by Implicit simplicit
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:04
#451042

Great minds think alike;>)

by nmewn
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:48
#451063

Best I can recall there was no Tea Party per se until Rick went off.

Just everyone sittin around saying to themselves WTF? Am I the only one who see's the insanity of this?

Part of free market capitalism is destruction...something to be embraced.

A self cleansing mechanism where those who have made bad (or stupid) decisions are purged from the system...the shorts make their money...secured bond holders take a haircut...the unsecured bonds are wiped out just like stockholders.

There is a good argument to be made that we haven't had free market capitalism for a long time, but just because we went away from it doesn't mean it doesn't work as advertised.

TBTF is probably the best thing to ever happen to us if we can just see it for what it is (economic Fascism in my view) and open our eyes to what is right in front of us. 

 

by Implicit simplicit
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 20:44
#451175

Stop fascism. End the Fed. Break up the big banks. Regulate lobbyists and campaign contributions. Stop naked short selling. Banish frontrunning. Stop teenage girls from saying "like" so much.

by nmewn
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 21:33
#451223

It's a long road back and it always starts with the first step.

Education being the key...I move for the latter first or the first first ;-)

It's coming...I can feel it...million's of Howard Beales...it's coming.

In the meantime, do what we always do at this time, celebrate that we were not born in China, North Korea, Venezuela or some other God foresaken place.

Enjoy the fourth, it was a gift.

SeeYa

by Muir
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 16:24
#452143

Watched the video http://vodpod.com/watch/1377927-rick-santelli-objects-to-rushed-tarp-on-92608

"I am not making a judgement call either way." 0:58 into it

As to the second video

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200903170007

Nothing there.

"Rick Santelli objects to rushed TARP on 9/26/08" (first video) is mistitled. He does no such thing.

by Implicit simplicit
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:01
#451039

by Fred Hayek
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 20:34
#451169

So, I guess that means we see if that courage that CD wrote about is exercised?

by Implicit simplicit
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 22:36
#451283

True. I have made efforts in my way. The collective conscious of people at sights like Zero has definitely affected main stream sentiment of late. Of course, its hard for the goverment to bullshit all the people all the time. 

by VicariouslySelf...
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:54
#450960

I get so tired of hearing that across the board tax cuts are the answer. Talk about flawed logic, if CNBC is anything, it's the network for protecting the wealth of the rich.  Perhaps tax cuts for small business might be good, but given that our tax rates in the US are currently 26th out of 30th in the OECD, they hardly seem too high. They were higher under Clinton, and the economy didn't shudder to a halt.

Does anyone seriously believe that anyone in the wealthiest 10 percent need a tax cut? Can you really argue that would create jobs?  It's bullshit, pure and simple. The top 1 percent already owns 50 percent of all stocks and bonds, and about 34 percent of the nation's wealth. They hardly need more.

Want to cut spending and cut the deficit? Go back to the tax rates we had before Bush and bring the troops home. Then cut the defense budget to a realistic level, say about $350 billion per year.  That will fix a lot of ills.

by thesapein
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:16
#450978

He said NOT to focus on tax cuts. Cut spending.

I like taxes because that is what drove away the mafia who could no longer compete with state thugs.

Not funny? No, it's not because what we have in place of the mafia, today, is much worse. And you are here to prove it.

 

by count_zero
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 23:04
#451311

I know an older guy from Pittsburgh. He said people payed "tax" to the local mafia back in the day and people preferred the mafia's justice. Similar thing is happening in Afghanistan. Some people prefer the Taliban's justice to the government's.

by goodrich4bk
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 15:59
#450965

If spending cuts are his most important message, why doesn't he tell us which spending he would cut?  Everybody is already for cutting "spending", so this "message" isn't very illuminating no matter how loud it is shouted.  If he doesn't want to name programs or categories, an alternative message would be to explain what percentage of across-the-board spending he believes is appropriate and why.

by thesapein
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:24
#450986

It's like trying to cut grass with nail clippers.

Just give me big riding lawnmower, and I'll do what needs to be done.

by Fred Hayek
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 20:36
#451171

You might want to try using daisy cutters, for the size of the job. 

 

Yes, the kind that come from 30,000 feet.

by poopdeville
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:01
#450966

Government investment in infrastructure has a multiplier greater than one, up to a point of diminishing returns. Indeed, the government can even profit from such investments.  How much did the economy grow because of the creation of a national highway system?  Because of the Hoover dam?  The production of thousands of factories during WW2?  Investment in mathematics and basic science education and research during WW2 and after, leading up to the computer and increased efficiency?

Merely spending isn't good enough, though.  It takes wise investment in infrastructure, R&D, and education to make an economy grow.  Building infrastructure is only a wise investment if we need it now, or will need it later and can build it cheaper now than we could later.

Also, diminishing returns ruins Santelli's "perpetual motion machine" counter-factual argument -- his logic is quite convoluted there.  There is no reason to think that there is absolutely no public investment project with positive economic utility.  Just because another national highway system wouldn't be so useful doesn't mean national/regional light rail systems wouldn't be useful.  Lowering the cost of transportation for Californians and other McMansion suburbanites would be a good thing, especially if it can be powered using cheap domestically "produced" nuclear or water energy.  The multiplier for the first investment would be less than one.  The multiplier for the latter would be much greater, as positive economic effects ripple out.

by Mitchman
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:27
#450988

I believe Santelli said that Summers believed that the multiplier of government spending was always greater than 1 and if that were so, the he (Santelli) would be in favor of spending $1 trillion an hour.

Thus, I agree with your point about certain infrastructure investments actually having a multiplier greater than 1 (although as we have seen in China where entire cities have been built that now stand empty that is not always so).  

What makes the story of the so-called stimulus bill so bitter is that $787 billion that should have been spent on projects of the type that you advocate was wasted (and not one person can point to a single tangible accomplishment of how the money was spent) and now we are essentially tapped out.  BTW, a fact that Santelli acknowledges. 

by Mark McGoldrick
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:46
#451009

I always laugh when I hear about the "multiplier" of government spending.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.  Any sort of government spending is an equation involving division, before anything.

by Bendromeda Strain
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 09:08
#451538

poopdeville - that dog stopped hunting. Nate Martin was the first to call it out I believe, where the marginal productivity of debt has turned negative. Permanently so, I'd say. 

http://economicedge.blogspot.com/2010/03/most-important-chart-of-century...

 

by Alcoholic Nativ...
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:05
#450968

Member when he asked the floor who wants to pay for other peoples (overpriced mortgages).   I Cheered, give me an affordable place to live you fucks, I don't give a shit about the trends.

by ThinkAVP
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:18
#450982

LOL!! YOU WOULD...

by pros
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:16
#450981

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

Rick Santelli.....

 

a fool if ever there was one

 

 

by thesapein
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:28
#450989

a Shakespearian fool, maybe.

by StychoKiller
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 22:13
#451257

"Better a witty Fool, than a foolish Wit!" -- Shakespeare

by thesapein
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 23:11
#451317

and we must'n be afraid of being made the fool every once in awhile.

 

by homersimpson
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:22
#451053

yea - it's so blatantly obvious - just like your comment reeks of intelligence and thoughtfulness

by optionblast
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:32
#450993

Rick Santelli for President..  This is the only person around  (FOX, CNBC or even the Gov't) that understands the reality of what is going on in the world. 

Austerity measures in the U.S.?? Get Congress to give themselves paycuts...

by ThinkAVP
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:09
#451013

This lil guy knows

 

Check this lil guy out!!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdta3i3gMhw

by ToNYC
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 04:20
#451422

Rick could never be president. The first requirement is that you know how to talk out of both sides of your mouth and run to the precise middle or center so no one can tell you are not still on their side.

by ToNYC
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 04:44
#451428

Rick could never be president. The first requirement is that you know how to talk out of both sides of your mouth and run to the precise middle or center so no one can tell you are not still on their side.

by Alcoholic Nativ...
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:34
#450996

lol, how many times you gonna edit that shit?  Better than One, am I write?

Story of History.

by optionblast
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:02
#451007

  Let us not forget the Rick Santelli's Shout Heard 'Round the World back in Feb 2009...   http://bit.ly/ajJ42Q

 

by JR
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:15
#451015

Santelli put it in a nutshell, that “deflation is the most disingenuous argument” used by the oligarchs to cover the Fed’s self-serving push for inflation when, instead, the bubble process is ending and “prices have to come down to reality.”  As Satelli says, “the process really is deleveraging.”

It reminds me that, at least in Germany, the government has drawn the line somewhat against global financialism, which is the same as global socialism.

As the Germans bring up the financial issues that are important to them and the world, it underscores America’s total capture by the international financial cabal. Merkel’s statement last week that the Germans aren’t interested in pursuing stimulus but are more interested in dealing with their debt, underscores America’s total capture by the international financial speculators.  It flies in the face of Obama’s position that he took to the G20—that to deal with the dangers of recession, America needs to continue stimulus, i.e., continue to keep paying the banks.

Germany is different.  She understands capitalism and how capitalism works; that as a society grows, more and more people will share in that growth from the benefits of free enterprise. And, guess what?  The nation’s political position gets stronger.  That’s why, no matter how you drive her down, you turn your back and she pops back. Germany is a growth-oriented society.

Therefore, she has been targeted. It turns out that because of the worldwide recession and the tremendous debt problem and the incredible corruption coming primarily from the large investment banks, that there is not enough money and value to go around.  Everybody’s in a tight spot, looking around for who’s going to help whom. The Obama Administration looked around and decided to take the money from America’s savers and working people to solve its problems.  European politicians looked around and decided to take Germany’s taxpayer money to bail themselves out.

But the Germans have drawn the line.  They know that every increase in stimulus is payday for the banks and debt for the people.

And anything that the Germans do that N.Y.Fed/U.S. Treasurer Geithner doesn’t like is good for the American people, IMO. And it was Geithner who burned the midnight jet fuel to try to stop Germany’s defensive move last month to slap a 9-month “unilateral ban on short sales of euro-zone government bonds, some financial shares and to prohibit some types of speculative transactions in credit default swaps.” IMO, it’s a signal that Berlin intends to fight.

The message for Americans is that the bad news may be good news.  It is bringing exposure to this world gambling casino, who its people are and what they are trying to do. And it is beginning to force a policy change that eventually will hamstring them and remove them from our political system. This corruption has been running for decades—the “news” is that we now see it.

by Implicit simplicit
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:21
#451051

Also. the naked short restrictions that Germany put in place are going to force the major leveraged casino players to ply their trade in a smaller casino. This will accelerate all vampire squids and psych-algo maniacs into a tightened up feeding frenzy where they can tear each other apart even quicker. Ah, the beauty of economic and market creative destruction as the swans fly away tuning from gray to black with time and distance.

by JR
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 22:25
#451269

Thanks for your insightful and prescient observation. It will be exciting  watching the play off. While Germany is supporting a pan-European initiative to rein in speculation against euro-zone governments in defense of her sovereignty and citizens, Obama is fronting for the ruthless TBTF speculators that are cannibalizing America and the globe.  He is a sockpuppet, owned by  the cartels and their organiations—the IMF, European Commission, World Bank, BIS, WTO, etc… IMO! 

Before these developments occur that you’ve analyzed, international speculation appeared about as concentrated in a few hand as it could get, wound up so tightly, the swindlers were taking unchecked everything they could asset strip around the globe for personal gain.

Based on your observation, I’m wondering if Obama will try to knock Germany and China off balance to prevent any roll back of the exorbitant proliferation of derivatives or regulation and restraint of the ”hedge fund hyenas whose activities are ravaging the globe.”

With the casino refusing to shred a major portion of the $1.5 quadrillion of derivatives, the world economy will be forced into economic depression on a colossal scale.

That said, bring on the swans...

by Implicit simplicit
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 11:01
#451648

As usual, the next shocking event will not be expected, thus shocking. For instance, everyone is expecting another derivative blow-up; but the squalgos (squid/algos) might lay a little lower; like a bad child caught stealing, they might not want to draw attention to themselves with the passage of the watered down bill recently.

Of course, this is all just speculative entertainment, but I would bet on a military strike by someone, whether it be a small terrorists group or a larger country terrorist complex; or another natural disaster-volcano, hurricane, maxi-pad failure etc...

by velobabe
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:17
#451099

i saw Merkel dancing in the aisles in south africa, she was really

h o o p i n    i t    u p†

go deutschland.

merkel will get off on wednesday, possibly one of the best semi matches in all of

S P O R T S†

 

R S: let's talk reality here, instead of dead economists†

you go santelli.

by JR
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 22:36
#451281

Happy July Third, Germany!.  Happy Fourth of July, Velobabe!  :) 

And thanks for your tremendous moral and financial support of Zero Hedge. And your wit and wisdom! Without Zero Hedge and all here, I wouldn’t be in as high a celebration mood this Independence Day.  As it is, I give thanks for those who gave “their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor” for this day, and am indebted to those making the ongoing sacrifices for the sake of liberty.  Thank you, Tyler Durdens.

“Our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor.”

http://www.aspecialdayguide.com/yorktown/foundingfathers.htm

America the Beautiful

O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!

O beautiful for pilgrim feet
Whose stern impassioned stress
A thoroughfare of freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!

O beautiful for heroes proved
In liberating strife.
Who more than self their country loved
And mercy more than life!
America! America!
May God thy gold refine
Till all success be nobleness
And every gain divine!

O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years…

by dogbreath
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 14:30
#451974

Oh Babe!

by huckman
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:26
#451021

Regarding: banks recycle the Fed's cheap money- I think he meant to say that the Fed should raise bank reserve rates.  Denninger did a great piece on that issue.  Apparantly the banks arn't incented to lend when thier bank reserve rates are this low.   It's no accident.  Like Rick said, the Fed needs as many buyers as it can get.

by JR
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 00:03
#451351

Speaking of Denninger, Karl lights up the Fourth with this July 2nd editorial…

OUR DOUCHEBAG GOVERNMENT – MIDYEAR DEPT UPDATE by Karl Denninger

Keep up the lying, legislators, about how it's all "those other guys" fault.....

Yesterday gave me the opportunity to update this chart (on Nominal GDP, Deficit Spending and REAL GDP Y/O/Y) with an extrapolated forward number for this year through the first six months.

Yeah, tell me it's all the Republicans' fault.  Or all the Democrats'.

Nonsense.

Our government refuses to deal with the facts - there is no recovery in the private economy, there has been no recovery, private final demand collapsed in 2008 and has not come back one iota and the Federal Government is LYING - on both sides of the aisle.

You want a stock market crash and economic collapse Mr. Grayson?  Mr. Reid?  Ms. Pelosi?  Mr. McCain?  Mr. Hoyer?  Mr. Issa?  Mr/Ms (Pick a name)?

You're going to get one and the longer you keep this crap up the worse it's going to be.

Want to argue with me?  Go ahead and try - argue with the math.  I double-dog-dare you.  Tell me how we can keep doing what we're doing, and for how long.  How long we can borrow and spend 10, 11, 12% of GDP on an annual basis…

Are you in Congress and the White House so damned arrogant as to think that this can't or won't happen?  What are you going to threaten people with?  6,000 nuclear weapons?  For what?  Refusing to fund an ever-spiraling higher Ponzi Scheme?  For how long will that game work?  Can such a threat be effective beyond the mathematical limits of capacity, even if the leaders of said nations want to continue doing so? 

No.

Here's reality folks: We've written checks for 30 years with our political mouths we cannot cash with our producing fingers.  We've papered over this with fraud in virtually every nook and cranny of public and private life.  We have allowed producers to depart for lands where effective slavery exists for labor, refusing to enact parity tariffs to put a stop to it.  We have allowed blatant and outrageous theft of our producers' intellectual property and conferred upon these nations "most-favored nation" trading status.  We have blown serial bubbles in the stock and housing markets and would love to blow another one in "carbon trading", but all three were and are frauds without foundation in reality - or sustainability. 

Jeff Immelt, GE's Chief Executive, came out today against the Chinese - and Obama:

He warned that the world’s largest manufacturing company was exploring better prospects elsewhere in resource-rich countries, which did not want to be “colonised” by Chinese investors. “I really worry about China,” Mr Immelt told an audience of top Italian executives in Rome, accusing the Chinese government of becoming increasingly protectionist. “I am not sure that in the end they want any of us to win, or any of us to be successful.”

Of course they don't.  You slept with Satan and you woke up with a sore butt.  Who's fault is this, exactly?  A government that's communist, a workforce that operates under effective slave conditions, a population that has license to steal anything intellectual from anyone without recourse or the rule of law, indeed, a government that has stolen military secrets and warhead designs - when they couldn't just buy them (as they did during Clinton's term.)  Suddenly Mr. Immelt shows outrage and shock when the snake does what a snake does - and it was very visibly a snake before he got involved over there? 

Who's responsible for intentionally sticking one's hand on a lit BBQ?

There is no "lack of clarity" in the economy.  What has been done is transparent to anyone who cares to look.  The Federal Debt picture is published each and every day and it is clear, convincing, and irrefutable.  The same bluff was run in both Iceland and Greece, and got called twice by the market.  Europe has recognized this and has pledged to stop playing Ponzi (whether they'll actually do it until cities burn at the hand of angry mobs is another matter, but at least they're claiming intent.)  We, on the other hand, keep pressing for more and more Ponzi.

I don't care if people want to talk about austerity - and implement it - or not.  I don't care if people want cradle-to-grave medical care with the "best" we can offer.  I don't care if people want to be able to have $100/month cell phones while unemployed, or 99 weeks of unemployment so they don't have to save for their own tough times, or $40,000 annual tuition and fee costs at universities to learn about "woman's studies" or "primary education."

None of what I want, you want, or the government wants has a thing to do with the mathematics of the situation we have before us today and the instabilities we built into the economy over the last 30 years.

In 2000 we had to accept a 10% contraction in GDP, along with a reduction in debt levels in the system to 150-175% of GDP, to get back to some reasonable resemblance of parity.

In 2007 the contraction we had to accept was 20%.

Today, it's approaching forty percent, and the commensurate reduction in debt in the system - in total - is about 60%.

This means the federal government must shrink in size by that same 60%.

As I said a couple of weeks ago, get the BBQ sauce and pick several sacred cows, because we must size the Federal Government to roughly 15% of a $10 trillion economy, or $1.5 trillion in total.  Here's the pie chart you need to reduce by sixty percent: …

Go ahead and tell me how you're going to do it.  Or tell me, if you wish, that you're NOT going to do it, and then extrapolate to how long our creditors will permit that situation to persist, because it is not under our control - it is under theirs.

We are in the beginning stages of a global asset market collapse….

When did the stock market take off?  At the same time the debt Ponzi took off.  The debt Ponzi is now collapsing.  What's going to keep the stock market from losing all of the "gains" it put on during those years?  Yes, all the way back to early 1980s levels.

Go ahead - make the case that it won't happen when the leverage capacity disappears - and it is disappearing.  The "establishment" folks know damn well this is in the cards, which is why they're scrambling to lie, lie and lie some more lest you figure it out and hold them to account.  They're well-aware that while most of the time the "elites" manage to do just fine there are historical exceptions when extreme imbalances are cranked too far and the arrogance of the elites continues beyond all reason.  Hold a seance and ask Marie Antionette's ghost about the consequences of such actions and how quickly they can appear.

What you saw in 2008 was the opening act.  2009 and early 2010 was the intermission - the eye of the hurricane when everyone came outside and marveled at the pretty blue sky.

The back half of this Cat 5 storm is far worse as instead of an offshore wind this time we'll get the onshore wind and a 30' high storm surge. The wind is starting to pick up.

We either act right now or our choices will be made for us.

Now go watch the pretty Fireworks over the 4th of July weekend - and consider what it's going to feel like when those start going off in your face in the coming weeks and months.

"Here it comes"

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

by juwes
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:47
#451029

Haven't wached CNBC since the flash crash.  I'm a once a year viewer, maybe twice.

 

Nevermind, I switched to basic cable (cable discounts my internet bill more than the cost of it), so CNBC is dodo'd in my home.

by islander
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 17:50
#451031

After Nov.2 it will be bussines as usual. Different faces , same old, Modus Operatus. Key words include F**k John Q debt slave into the ground, doggy style.

by arnoldsimage
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:07
#451036

strange

by Alcoholic Nativ...
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:00
#451038

Santelli, has backup whatever he says, who really wants to fuck with him? I really feel sorry for these losers.

by arnoldsimage
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:03
#451040

peculiar happenings with our earth. major sink holes in china. massive sink hole in guatemala last month. now this in malaysia last night. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/01/article-1291127-0A4411C7000005...

by ThinkAVP
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:23
#451054

RELAX TAMPAX!!! It's just a sinkhole... thats what happens when you build on unstable ground A hole or depression in the ground that results from surface material moving into subsurface pathways caused by the weathering process. A sinkhole occurs by either gradual subsidence to form a depression in the landscape or by collapse to form an abrupt break in the soil.. This is natural, it HAPPENS we have more structures over land yo will see this more often as we build.. Remember water takes the least path of resistance over time the ground can become unstable..

If you didnt notice the roadway is next to grass which GROWS ON SOIL!!!

 

Can we get Back to this topick on RICK Santelli and not this dam SINKHOLE!

by arnoldsimage
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:43
#451058

yea... you're right. sorry. it's such a small crack. this one was caused by a leaky faucet. http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/csm...

by ThinkAVP
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:48
#451061

It is a small crack,  in comparison to the EARTH.. to you it might be big!!

 

Sooooo if you are comparing a leaky faucet with a leaky EARTH "rain" ELEMENTS ECT.. Then YES I AM CORRECT!!!  Your Faucet has a drain to guide the ELEMENT... ROADS HAVE NO DRAIN!!

by arnoldsimage
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:50
#451066

you seem quite excitable.

by ThinkAVP
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:52
#451068

I'm always excited.. 

by arnoldsimage
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:53
#451069

:)

by anony
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 05:58
#451461

Perhaps all those millions of Gulf oil released that was under pressure until Halliburton pricked the balloon has caused round the globe dislocations of sub-strata?

by arnoldsimage
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:06
#451043

what's going on?

by msjimmied
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 18:59
#451072

This will start the dominoes falling, or the backlash. Ahhhnold wants to push it all back to minimum wage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/03/california-state-workers_n_6346...

by johnnymustardseed
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:26
#451112

Rick is one giant HIPOcrite ,he rails on government spending but has a job only because CNBC- GE were bailed out by the government he hates. I wish they would have let the whole thing sink and these guys would be out of unemployment compensation that they hate and stealing from grocery stores to feed there families. a-holes!

by johnnymustardseed
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:32
#451116

Yeah, I googled it, just a I remembered it.  GE got $140 BILLION.  HIPOCRITE........ HIPO as is fat lying bastards

by Missing_Link
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:45
#451127

Actually it's HYPOCRITE, not HIPOCRITE.  And Rick Santelli isn't one, you ignorant cretin.

by Missing_Link
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:44
#451125

<3 Rick Santelli

Love love love love that man.

by antidisestablis...
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 19:52
#451135

Jesus, I want to disagree just to be different from the herd of lemmings around here. 

by the grateful un...
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 21:22
#451210

santilli is just a bit player, local color, they keep him around like they keep Olberman around, (a mediocre sportscaster is never going to give credibility to anything.) it alls a game ducklings. ratings is the name, and when the bear bites, maria will bare it all on a bear skin rug. i've seen it, they will do whatever the audience wants. santelli is an economist like a truck driver is a transportation engineer.

it used to be hem lines, now its cup sizes, watch out B cup is the indicator of a bear market. 

by Bendromeda Strain
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 09:21
#451548

Yeah - and Summers is an economist like Gotti was a sanitation engineer. Difference? Summers has the power to do real damage, under the cover of authenticity.

by the grateful un...
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 11:46
#451725

i would say Santilli has authenticity, and Summers has a job. power at his level is the power to make mistakes. Gotti had authenticity, he ,made the trash trucks run on time.

by LarryKudlow
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 22:10
#451251

Colorful. Like many, thinks he is smarter then he really is.

by RingToneDeaf
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 22:12
#451255

Amazing, how much time is wasted watching tv, Even here!!!

Hate radio is unlistenable because of the commercials.

TV, is so.....Dead Brained, but I do like bouncing boobies.

by StychoKiller
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 22:17
#451262

Check out www.kuvo.org, "the Oasis in the City"

by JR
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 23:14
#451321

The Obama Tax Trap

From the Wall Street Journal Editorial page

"'Next year when I start presenting some very difficult choices to the country, I hope some of these folks who are hollering about deficits step up. Because I'm calling their bluff."

That was President Barack Obama, the heretofore unknown deficit hawk, all but announcing the other day the tax trap that he's been laying for Republicans. From what we hear about intra-GOP debates, more than a few will be happy to walk right into it.

You don't need a Mensa IQ to figure this one out. Mr. Obama's plan has been to increase spending to new, and what he hopes will be permanent, heights. Then as the public and financial markets begin to fret about deficits and debt, he'll claim that the debt is "unsustainable" and that the only "responsible" policy is to raise taxes. …

This strategy explains why Mr. Obama is now starting to fret in public about deficits and debt. This week he even said reducing the debt will be "our project." Funny how debt seemed a lower priority when he was urging Congress to pass $862 billion in stimulus and $1 trillion in new health-care subsidies.

The Congressional Budget Office is contributing to this political drama by declaring this week that the "federal budget is on an unsustainable path." Of course, but why? The biggest reason is that Medicare and Medicaid keep rising at two to three times the rate of everything else in the economy and, as CBO explains, will eventually take up every dollar of tax revenues raised, leaving no money for anything else, including national defense

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703426004575338991852947182.html?KEYWORDS=obama+tax

by Double down
on Sat, 07/03/2010 - 23:38
#451339

Tyler,stop confusing me, goldman and now a CNBCer.  Mainstream turning on itself confuses me, make them stop.

by reckoning
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 00:28
#451363

rick refers to the US federal reserve bank as "an arm of the US government"...?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

i know he knows better than that!

by Grand Supercycle
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 02:55
#451411

by mortpiedra
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 03:39
#451417

"I think November 2 is going to be a watershed of Americans letting Washington know they're the boss."

Now that is a well placed piece of propaganda in this two party state!!! Makes every patriotic heart sing and dance.

Well folks here are the news: as long as the two parties running the country are owned by a select few they are the boss. If you can only choose between A and B (because there is no C, D or E) they are set in the saddle.

Putting another speaking monkey like Rick in front is another smokescreen ... but I gotta complement them on how well they do it.

 

by Straykitty
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 05:11
#451442

Cognitive Dissonance...

There's courage, and then there's courage.  For someone who is 71 years old, who has worked and saved all their life, to cash out your 401K, buy some precious metals, give the children their inheritances, to buy a farm and start building a geothermal strawbale dwelling was hard.

When my husband and I cancelled the cable and cut off the television at the beginning of the Iraq war, we severed ourselves from the rest of the world.  Taking our money out of the stock market was horrifying.  But we're doing quite well, thank you very much.  We don't owe a penny to anyone. We have a lake, a house, a large garden that actually grows food, some stock, some chickens.  But we live down a gravel road in the boonies, drive old vehicles, and I make our clothes.  Looking at the world from here is a lot different. Our lifeline is the Internet.  I really appreciate the honesty and savvy of ZeroHedge and a few of the commentators on this site.  After the weather, this is where I come.  Please don't go away.

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 06:36
#451473

Thank you for taking the time to post a reply. And it sounds like you're assuming responsibility for yourself and not waiting for others to make decisions for you or to save you. Bravo!

May I ask one more thing of you? Teach just one person who doesn't already understand these concepts your way. I know I'm asking a lot from someone who's already doing a lot. But would you please take this just a little further?

Thank you.

by saulysw
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 07:37
#451495

Straykitty, I envy your courage...

by Gully Foyle
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 10:12
#451581

Straykitty

While everything you say is admirable i need to question this:
"When my husband and I cancelled the cable and cut off the television"
I find far too often people overreact and think that ending cable solves the problem. If you did that to save money then fine. But if you did it to limit the negative influence of media, you threw out the baby with the bathwater.
There is informative and educational programming which exists when one simply changes the channel from news to say PBS or Animal Planet.
How hard is it to raise Chickens?
I'm also considering Aquaponics for the fish as well as vegetables.

Here is some advice from Automatic Earth. They are worth the daily read.They have been prophetic on the Deflation leading to hyperinflation cycle.

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2010/07/july-3-2010-dollar-denomin...

Stoneleigh: Since we at The Automatic Earth generally tell people to hold cash or cash equivalents, it makes sense to expand on that a little, and to point out some of the location-specific risks of doing so. We tell people to hold cash because that is what they will need access to in order to make debt payments and to purchase the essentials of life in a society with little or no remaining credit. The value of cash domestically - in terms of goods and services in your own local area - is what matters most.

Domestic currency value relative to other currencies internationally will be very much a secondary concern for most people, as the ability to exchange one currency for another is not likely to last far into the coming era of capital controls. Currency risk is likely to become very large, and almost everyone will be better off holding whatever passes for cash wherever they happen to be.

As the price of goods and services fall, thanks to the destruction of purchasing power brought about by collapsing money supply, what cash you still have will go a lot further in terms of, say, milk and bread. Capital preserved as liquidity will go a long way. However, there are no no-risk scenarios. Apart from the obvious risks of fire, flood and theft, other risks to holding cash will grow over time. Liquidity can be as hard to hold on to as it sounds.

One particular risk is the reissuing of currency. Russia did this during the economic collapse of the Soviet Union, and made it so difficult for ordinary people to convert old currency into new that much of the middle class lost their life-savings. In Russia trust in relation to banks was not particularly high, hence there was a lot of money under the beds of the nation that the powers-that-be were attempting to flush out. That is not the case in present day industrialized countries, where people generally believe that banks are safe and deposits are publicly guaranteed in any case.

On top of that, few people have savings, having become dependent on access to cheap credit for their rainy-day funds. There is virtually nothing under the beds of the Western nation, and so essentially nothing to flush out.

Although that particular rationale for currency reissue does not really exist (the flushing out of hidden wealth), there may be other reasons for doing so, and these will be locational. The risk of currency reissue in the US is likely to be low for some time. The US is likely to benefit from capital flight from other places, on a knee-jerk flight to safety.

In addition, dollar-denominated debt deflation will increase demand for dollars, and hence increase their value. This should reduce pressure for any kind of radical currency reform for a while. If the US does eventually reissue its currency, I would imagine them doing so in order to deprive foreign holders of dollars of purchasing power. There are very large numbers of dollars held overseas, and these would not be able to be exchanged in a currency reissue. At some point this may serve the interests of the US, but not soon.

The situation in Europe is far more complex, and the risk is likely to vary between European countries. The reason is that the euro is less of a single currency than it is a strong currency peg. Whereas in the US the primary loyalty is to the political unit that issues the currency, in Europe the primary loyalty is to a lower level political unit. Currency values are grounded in relationships of trust, and the disparity between primary loyalty and currency control suggests that this essential component is weak in Europe. Where trust is weak, common currencies are also weak and my have a limited lifespan.

I think it very likely that the eurozone will decrease in size over the next few years, as the countries of the periphery find the austerity measures they are forced to live with increasingly intolerable. The social divisions that will widen as austerity measures are applied locationally will have greater and greater effects. Europe has a long history of conflict, with each country feeling that the natural extent of its own sphere of influence is whatever is was at its maximum past extent. This means that they all overlap on a continent with a long history of imperial rise and fall.

Emotional responses to past events still run very deep in Europe, even where those events were hundreds of years ago. This is a recipe for balkanization once there is no longer enough to go around. Witness for instance the ridiculous marching season in Northern Ireland, which exists to rub the noses of the catholic population in a defeat (the Battle of the Boyne) from several centuries past. That sort of behaviour is grotesque and should be an outright anachronism in a modern Europe, yet it persists, and there are other comparable examples (see for instance the reaction of Serbian people to the anniversary of the Battle of Kosovo Polye).

All common currency zones define zones of predation, that is: define the regions that feed an imperial centre. The current European periphery includes such nations as Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and all of Eastern Europe. It may also include Italy and the Netherlands, as both of these areas have major debt issues (housing bubbles and national debt). It would also include the UK in a sense, despite the fact that the UK is not part of the single currency. The UK is an international financial centre of considerable stature, but has an enormous debt problem and very few visible means of support going forward, once North Sea oil and gas cease to provide revenues and the City of London takes an inevitable knock-out blow.

I would expect the eurozone to be composed of a much smaller number of countries in the future than it is now, as peripheral countries are driven to the brink and beyond. The risk of currency reissue in these countries is therefore significantly elevated in comparison with the US, for instance. Where that risk is higher, there will be greater impetus for moving from cash to hard goods sooner rather than later. In places where that risk is smaller, one may wait longer for the price of hard goods to fall and therefore spend less on them. Where that risk is larger, the wait should be shorter, even though that would mean paying more, so long as debt is still not part of the equation.

Short term bonds (the primary cash equivalent) are not really an option in Europe the way they are in the US. The shortest term available is measured in years rather than months, which could easily be too long. This means that Europeans will face harder choices on this front as well. I would suggest that Europeans afraid of facing a currency reissue should consider the value of hard goods sooner rather than later. As always, pooling resources can get you further own the list of recommended priorities than you could possibly hope to achieve on your own (ie hold no debt, hold cash and cash equivalents and gain control over the essentials of your own existence).

Everyone will need to make the transition from cash to hard goods at some point. Cash is what you need to navigate the great deleveraging, but over the time the risks to cash will rise and you will need to think of the next phase, which is addressing the risk of the kind of economic upheaval that breaks supply lines. That will come first, and inflation (ie actual currency printing) will come much later. Inflation is only a risk once the power of the bond market has been broken, and that is not today's risk, nor tomorrow's.

That is something to consider much further down the line. Deflation and depression are mutually reinforcing in a spiral of positive feedback. That is not a dynamic that will end quickly, but end it will some day. At that point, or well before depending on where you live, you will want to be fully invested in hard goods.

by Implicit simplicit
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 11:19
#451673

Reflecting on your insights lead me to believe that one viable option for risk aversion to the many potential world currency problems is to own physical gold outside the country. Disclosure-own PHYS and CEF.

by Hephasteus
on Sun, 07/04/2010 - 05:37
#451447

Rick Santelli and the tea baggers are bullshit.

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