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Rioting Breaks Out In Egypt

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When we reported three days ago that 59 outbound shipments of gold were intercepted at the Egypt airport, we predicted that the country's oligarchs were proactively preparing precisely for what they knew is coming imminently. It has arrived. From Al-Jazeera: "Hundreds of protesters have begun to take to the streets in Cairo,
the Egyptian capital, chanting slogans against the police, the interior
minister and the government, in scenes that the capital has not seen
since the 1970s, Al Jazeera's correspondent reported. Downtown Cairo has come to a standstill, and protesters are now
marching towards the headquarters of the ruling National Democracy
. "It is unprecedented for security forces to let people march like
this without trying to stop them," Al Jazeera's Rawya Rageh reported
from the site of the protest."

And the government is panicking:

The Egyptian government had earlier warned activists hoping to emulate Tunisian pro-democracy protesters that they face arrest if they go ahead with Tuesday's mass demonstrations, which some have labelled as the "Day of wrath".

The protesters are gathering outside Cairo's largest courthouse, and are marching across downtown Cairo.

The rallies have been promoted online by groups saying they speak for young Egyptians frustrated by the kind of poverty and oppression which triggered the overthrow of Tunisia's president.

Black-clad riot police, backed by armoured vehicles and fire engines, have been deployed in a massive security operation in Cairo, with the biggest concentrations at likely flashpoints, including: the Cairo University campus, the central Tahrir Square and the courthouse where protesters are said to be gathering.

Coinciding with a national holiday in honour of the police, a key force in keeping president Hosni Mubarak in power for 30 years, the outcome in Egypt on Tuesday is seen as a test of whether vibrant Web activism can translate into street action.

Organisers have called for a "day of revolution against torture, poverty, corruption and unemployment".

"Activists said they wanted to use this particular day to highlight the irony of celebrating Egypt's police at a time when police brutality is making headlines," reported Rawya Rageh, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Cairo.

"In fact, the call originated from a Facebook page initially set up to honour a 28-year-old man from Alexandria who activists say was tortured to death by police.

"Witnesses are telling us that there are hundreds on the streets. This is an indication that the protests seem so far to be larger than the usual protests that have taken place here in Egypt over the past few years."

Turns out that not banning the internet (on time) was not such a good idea.

"Our protest on the 25th is the beginning of the end," wrote organisers of a Facebook group with 87,000 followers.

"It is the end of silence, acquiescence and submission to what is happening in our country. It will be the start of a new page in Egypt's history, one of activism and demanding our rights."

Rights watchdog Amnesty International has urged Egypt's authorities "to allow peaceful protests".

Protests in Egypt, the biggest Arab state and a keystone Western ally in the Middle East, tend to be poorly attended and are often quashed swiftly by the police, who prevent marching.

The banned Muslim Brotherhood, seen as having Egypt's biggest grassroots opposition network, has not called on members to take part but said some would join in a personal capacity.

Organisers have called for protesters to not display political or religious affiliations at demonstrations. The Facebook page says: "Today is for all Egyptians."

Commenting on the wave of public unrest in Tunisia, Adli, the interior minister, said talk that the "Tunisian model" could work in other Arab countries was "propaganda" and had been dismissed by politicians as "intellectual immaturity".

"Young people are very excited, and this time there will be much more than any other time," Ahmed Maher, one of the founders of the opposition youth movement said.

"This is going to be a real test of whether online activism in Egypt can translate into real action," Al Jazeera's Rageh reported.

"Anger has been on the rise in Egypt for the past couple of years, but we have seen similar calls fizzle out. The main difference now is that these calls are coming after what happened in Tunisia, which seems to have not only inspired activists, but actually ordinary Egyptians, a dozen of whom we have seen set themselves on fire in copycat self-immolations similar to the one that had sparked the uprising in Tunisia."

Elsewhere, it is not at all surprising that the UNWFR just released a program promoting food subisidies to eliminate the risk of rioting:

Risks of global instability are rising as governments cut subsidies that help the poor cope with surging food and fuel costs to ease budget crunches, the head of the United Nations’ World Food Program said.

“We’re in an era where the world and nations ignore the food issue at their peril,” Josette Sheeran said in an interview yesterday at the agency’s Rome headquarters.

The global recession has eroded government aid that helped people in poorer countries afford bread, cooking oils and other staples. The trend raises the odds of unrest even though prices have improved in many nations from 2007-2009, Sheeran said. During that period, more than 60 food riots occurred worldwide, according to the U.S. State Department.

And so the central planning that brought to us the inflation-driven rioting, which Zero Hedge first predicted in 2011, is about to lead to even more central planning, as governments everywhere jump to provide food subsidies and price caps, as was just announced in Russia overnight.

Below are two videos of events transpiring right now in Egypt which is what will soon move out of Africa and into Asia (remember: rice bubble) unless central planning2 promptly becomes the next major paradigm.


h/t Scrataliano and Nour Hammoury


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Tue, 01/25/2011 - 08:49 | 902062 maneco
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Only a matter of time until it gets to the Developed world.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:01 | 902087 andybev01
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I'm not quite awake yet, I first read that as Disney World.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:03 | 902094 sushi
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Same thing. Prices are a bit less in some regions and many of the clowns keep getting elected but it is the same mickey mouseconomics.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:12 | 902249 hedgeless_horseman
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Elsewhere, it is not at all surprising that the UNWFR just released a program promoting food subisidies to eliminate the risk of rioting:

But...but...I thought food subsidies only enriched wealthy farmers?  Are  farmers rioting?  No.  The eaters are rioting.  Farm subsidies subsidize eaters, not farmers.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:24 | 902325 vxpatel
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Rich farmers? Now that's an'bout rich farming corporations....?


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:50 | 902430 MachoMan
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If you have any remote clue about what the fuck you are doing, farming is nothing short of one of the most lucratic professions possible.  Unfortunately, it is a dying art and those that possess these skills are becoming even more coveted.  Yes, most farmers have created farming entities to limit their liability...  as well as to help ensure maximization of governmental payments (loopholes closing though).

There may be large corporations that own various tracts, but around these parts, they're all farmed by the yocals...  and not for migrant worker wages either (these are who the farmers use heh).

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:18 | 902530 Malcolm Tucker
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Here is video of the riots in Algeria, along with a warning from the hacker group Anonymous to the Algeria gov.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:45 | 902657 Almost Solvent
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I had a small farmer tell me one time that being a professional gambler had better odds than farming.


I had another farmer tell me that there are 2 occupations to avoid: (1) anything that must rely on good weather to break even, let alone turn a profit or (2) family business and you ain't family.  

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:07 | 902791 wisefool
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"Now I know. The answer is $72,000.

Last week in this column I wondered what the 1998 JD 8100 2WD tractor with 1,616 hours would sell for on Moss Auction Team's January 12th farm sale in Dana, IN. It sold yesterday on a cold, wintry day in west-central Indiana for $72,000, making it the highest auction sale price I've seen on a 2WD Deere 8100 tractor."

Another farmer told me: 3) If you want to make a small fortune in farming, start with a large one.

As I see it around me, your #2 (and others comments) are also very relevant. The average age of the american farmer is something like 58 years old. In the vast cornbelt tracts there is huge aggregation thanks to the power and performance of equipment available. You can pay a teenager to operate most of the equipment for $10/hr. When he quits, there are 10 more guys who will gladly take the job. So there is not a steady supply of apprentices into the program. And even if there were, there is no way that hired hand  can save enough money to buy the old unreliable equipment, much less the land.

Enter MSNBCs long running feature "Can central banks fix the food crisis?" Of course they can. Re-train all those mortgage brokers to front sell multi-generational farm  loans. Also fund a bunch of traders with QE money to create speculative markets in inputs and outputs. When the next generation of farmer without an Econ PhD and a bloomberg terminal fails, let him give his land and equipment to ADM, who will gladly hire him at $10/hr to operate the equipment and land he used to own.

Youtube version staring Blankenfeild proxy CEO of Brawndo INC:


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 14:08 | 903298 Titus
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I had a small farmer tell me one time that being a professional gambler had better odds than farming.


I had another farmer tell me that there are 2 occupations to avoid: (1) anything that must rely on good weather to break even, let alone turn a profit or (2) family business and you ain't family. 

Usually true, especially when the cock sucking bankers expect annual interest payments (i.e. regular money from a cyclical, weather based business).

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 14:51 | 903424 MachoMan
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Well, a professional gambler is probably good at gambling...  is your guy good at farming?  My comment was prefaced with the fact that you need to at least know what the hell you're doing (and the farm game changes daily)... 

To comment briefly on weather factors, how is it that some farmers in the same area manage to brave the weather and produce a bumper crop?  A substantial portion of weather related issues can be mitigated by being incredibly organized...  meaning largely, get your crops in the ground asap and out of the ground asap.  If you don't have water, then you need to pump it or utilize above ground storage... and to do all of this, most times, without a collegiate or trade degree of any sort is difficult...  [which is why I contend the successful/good farmers are among the most naturally intelligent people in this country].

Now, if you farm property where you cannot control hardly anything or otherwise mitigate weather factors, then you're just asking for trouble...  I could definitely see why in those situations, you might equate it to gambling on the weather...  this is not the case so much in other areas...

I won't even touch the issue of leverage, but if you lever up big, again, you're asking for trouble in the business...  you'll have to farm for a few years before the war chest gets big enough to not give the banks a crack at your land... but, even as an owner of the land, you cannot lever and make anything on your investment... 

And no, being a professional gambler does not have better odds than farming in a reasonable manner...  some years you do lose, this is true...  but you should have had plenty tucked away from prior years...  and the best farmers I know manage to still break even on bad years just because of their expertise and skill levels.

At a base level, farming can seem incredibly simple and straight forward...  however, it is also something that can never be mastered...  just practiced...  it is entirely too complicated and dynamic for perfection.  But, perfection is not necessary to earn a very decent living (and deduct the fucking hell out of shit to boot).

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:59 | 902669 DaveyJones
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It is also one of the most screwed up industries at every level. Not that food is important. The subsidy system is very screwed up:

"Some proponents view farm subsidies as appropriate for "family" or small farmers, but inappropriate for "corporate" or large farms. Many subsidy programs have limits on the size of the farm that can receive subsidies.

Critics also argue that agricultural subsidies go mostly to the biggest farms who need subsidization the least. Research from Brian M. Riedl at the Heritage Foundation showed that nearly three quarters of subsidy money goes to the top 10% of recipients.[30] Thus, the large farms, which are the most profitable because they have economies of scale, receive the most money. Between 1990 and 2001, payments to large farms have nearly tripled, while payments to small farms have remained constant.[31] Brian M. Riedl argues that the subsidy money is helping large farms buy out small farms. "Specifically, large farms are using their massive federal subsidies to purchase small farms and consolidate the agriculture industry. As they buy up smaller farms, not only are these large farms able to capitalize further on economies of scale and become more profitable, but they also become eligible for even more federal subsidies—which they can use to buy even more small farms."[30] Critics also note that, in America, over 90% of money goes to staple crops of corn, wheat, soybeans, and rice while growers of other crops get shut out completely. In Europe, for instance the Common Agricultural Policy has provisions that encourage local varieties and pays out subsidies based upon total area and not production. Other points aside, research has shown that small farms receive more payments in relation to value of their crops than big farms.[32 ..

The United States currently pays around $20 billion per year to farmers in direct subsidies as "farm income stabilization"[9][10][11] via U.S. farm bills. These bills date back to the economic turmoil of the Great Depression with 1922 Grain Futures Act, the 1929 Agricultural Marketing Act and the 1933 Agricultural Adjustment Act creating a tradition of government support. A Canadian report claimed that for every dollar U.S. farmers earn, 62 cents comes from some form of government, with total aid in 2009 from all levels of government adding up to $180.8 billion.[12]

The beneficiaries of the subsidies have changed as agriculture in the United States has changed. In the 1930s, about 25% of the country's population resided on the nation's 6,000,000 small farms. By 1997, 157,000 large farms accounted for 72% of farm sales, with only 2% of the U.S. population residing on farms. In 2006, the top 3 states receiving subsidies were Texas (10.4%), Iowa (9.0%), and Illinois (7.6%). The Total USDA Subsidies from farms in Iowa totaled $1,212,000,000 in 2006.[13] From 2003 to 2005 the top 1% of beneficiaries received 17% of subsidy payments.[13] In Texas, 72% of farms do not receive government subsidies. Of the close to $1.4 Billion in subsidy payments to farms in Texas, roughly 18% of the farms receive a portion of the payments.[14]

"Direct payment subsidies are provided without regard to the economic need of the recipients or the financial condition of the farm economy. Established in 1996, direct payments were originally meant to wean farmers off traditional subsidies that are triggered during periods of low prices for corn, wheat, soybeans, cotton, rice, and other crops." [15]

Top states for direct payments were Iowa ($501 million), Illinois ($454 million), and Texas ($397 million). Direct payments of subsidies are limited to $40,000 per person or $80,000 per couple.[15]

The subsidy programs give farmers extra money for their crops and guarantee a price floor. For instance in the 2002 Farm Bill, for every bushel of wheat sold, farmers were paid an extra 52 cents and guaranteed a price of 3.86 from 2002–03 and 3.92 from 2004–2007.[16] That is, if the price of wheat in 2002 was 3.80 farmers would get an extra 58 cents per bushel (52 cents plus the $0.06 price difference).

Corn is the top crop for subsidy payments. The Energy Policy Act of 2005 mandates that billions of gallons of ethanol be blended into vehicle fuel each year, guaranteeing demand, but US corn ethanol subsidies are between $5.5 billion and $7.3 billion per year. Producers also benefit from a federal subsidy of 51 cents per gallon, additional state subsidies, and federal crop subsidies that can bring the total to 85 cents per gallon or more.[17] (US corn-ethanol producers are also shielded from competition from cheaper Brazilian sugarcane-ethanol by a 54-cent-per-gallon tariff[18][19])"

The documentary "King Corn" does a great job of demonstrating how insane it all is.

The saddest part of all of this is that it (like many other things) is completely dependent on oil and natural gas. That together with the utter soil destructive practices is slow suicide. If anything, we should be promoting the complete transition to permaculture and soil / water repleneshment.


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:33 | 902920 wisefool
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"The saddest part of all of this is that it (like many other things) is completely dependent on oil and natural gas. That together with the utter soil destructive practices is slow suicide. If anything, we should be promoting the complete transition to permaculture and soil / water repleneshment."

Very difficult to do. The big farmers operate several thousand acres. (own/rent) Typically they soak up all the conservation subsidies for they ground they own and will pass down/sell. They may try to maintain good soil practices on the land they rent, but it is bad enough that you gotta drive your equipment  15 Mph over 100s of miles just to get the crops in and out of the field. (your fuel reference) There really isn't time to do anything other with the outlying ground other than exactly what big-agra tells you to do. Pesticides, Fertilize, GMO seeds, and plant what ever crop the traders on the CBO tell you to plant. Cause your landlord will drop you in heartbeat if another tenant  is willing to get $10 more an acre by hiring an full time accountant, tax lawyer, and grant writer to play the big game better.




Tue, 01/25/2011 - 14:30 | 903360 Treeplanter
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There are still a lot of independent farmers in the USA.  And we have a lot of fallow land overgrown with non commercial trees and brush.  Farming is a good option for young people once again.  And all the best to those tenacious family farms that are finally getting good prices for their crops.  No one deserves it more.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 14:53 | 903434 MachoMan
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I hope to be doing this within three years...  small and without leverage...

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:08 | 902486 chumbawamba
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It's happening in Disney World as well, otherwise known as Lebanon.

Goons of March 8 (the US/Saudi-backed political alliance alined against March 14/Hizballah) are demonstrating their usual idiocy, attempting, it would seem, to topple a news van amidst their own tightly packed crowd.  Then, all-out idiocy ensues when someone mounts the van and begins riding it like a mechanical bull.

Of course, they're rioting over local elections (Hizballah is set to take control).  But it's all connected.  The ME is a powder keg and the fuse is being lit.  Ultimately, it all comes down to Israel.  They can defeat Arab armies, but they don't stand a chance against the Arab People.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:18 | 902139 Oh regional Indian
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Not so easy to wake the west.

Watch the dis-tractions increase as things come to a head. Clearly Oprah is on the dis-traction band-wagon.Long-lost half-sister show. I can imagine the teary eyes.

Lot's of new nakedness. Nipple slips during the super bowl. General surprise nakedness and violence will abound.

Watch the media for increasing dis-traction as a sign of increasing desperation to keep the sheep corralled.



Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:27 | 902345 vxpatel
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We are not focused on distractions! You are generalizing a great country! Where's the gay-illegal-alien-terrorists who want to get married and abort their late term fetuses?

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:25 | 902551 Oh regional Indian
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"Where's the gay-illegal-alien-terrorists who want to get married and abort their late term fetuses?"

That's funny vx. Very good situational capture ;-)


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:47 | 902668 Almost Solvent
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They are all standing in line to sign up for free welfare, SNAP cards, WIC, unemployment, Earned Income Credit, etc.



Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:49 | 902423 GeorgeHayduke
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Of course if those low-rent distractions don't work, they've always got the "some tourist was killed along the Mexican border" schtick they can use.

And....if that doesn't work and the sheople really start to awaken, they always have the good old ace-in-the-hole, a false flag "terr'rist" event. I mean, Osama bin Laden, that evildoer who lives beyond all time and dimension, just threatened France. Gosh, I wonder if our great-grandkids will cower in fear from an Osama threat as he seems to never age, outlive being bombed to death, and be responsible for all terror everywhere. He's Jason comes alive...and he's coming to you're bedroom....

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:09 | 902488 vxpatel
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I'm more afraid of priests in my bedroom than osma bin laden...

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:59 | 902460 velobabe
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tonto, it appears females don't participate in protects in Egypt. if they did, these numbers would double and it really would be a huge and impressive human body count.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:10 | 902493 Oh regional Indian
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Did you just say tonto?

Pretty dumb Velo. 


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:24 | 902879 velobabe
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tonto, i remember was very cool man. but you should have thicker skin, to be in fight club. people call me names all day long, my wHOLE life. i am nickname queen.

i was in love with tonto and the lone ranger. they were my heroes. i didn't do girlie things growing up, except when i would play robin hood in the bushes, by myself, and was both him and maid marion.


Tonto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:21 | 902538 tonyw
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Ahram Online is providing live updates from Egypt:


I haven't seen any women in the pictures.


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:21 | 902595 GDE
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No females and "Allah Ackbar" all over the place. No good signs at all. Get ready for a total islamisation of Arab and Middle East countrie states.

Edit : you don't need to flag me as junk once again to hide the truth. "Allah Ackbar" is a battle cry in the name of Allah and you know it pretty well.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:12 | 902502 Big Corked Boots
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I read about Oprah's sister. My immediate impression was, what is going to happen in the next 1-7 days that nobody wants Americans to see?

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:22 | 902545 Oh regional Indian
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My sentiments exactly. And I read it on a news site that had a live twitter feed. And the twits were twitting away, inane one-liners. Hundreds of them. Very bizarre. I watched like a bad movie. 

Something is definitely up and it's not blue skies and unicorns.



Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:44 | 902650 KickIce
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They have the sheeple pretty well conditioned over here.  They'll see increases at the grocery store but the greedy corporations will get the blame.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:53 | 902705 Rodent Freikorps
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Get a grip, people. The sheep never join the fight. Ever. The best you can hope is they get out of the way.


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:11 | 902816 KickIce
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That was my point.  When food prices spike they wll provide plenty of civil unrest, but will be hard pressed to blame the government since that is their main source of income.  Their sense of entitlement will make them most dangerous to anyone in the immediate vicinity that has assets.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:06 | 902783 Mariposa de Oro
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My thoughts, exactly.  All those ME countries need their own version of Dancing with the Stars or some other such drivel.  Combined with food subsidies, the mobs will stay home, glued to the TeeVee.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:21 | 902150 Xibalba
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I say by the year....2012

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:13 | 902276 1223pm
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I feel like something big is in the pipeline. Hezbollah backed government in Lebanon,

Al-Jazeera's release of Palestine papers, riotes in Egypt. All around Israel. May be Iran's declarations of nuclear state is on the way?

i need some coffee!!


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:35 | 902564 Arius
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i think you missed the last meeting in Instanbul (should we call it by its REAL NAME Constantinople) where EU Commissioner had to phisically block the entrance to not allow the Iranian representative walk out...yeah, perhaps, a pot of coffee is more like it...and watch Al-Jazeera some pretty good discussions you dont see on American tv

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:16 | 902291 bunkermeatheadp...
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Its already here.

But instead of price controls, it's called widespread use of food stamps in the U.S.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:07 | 902479 Oh regional Indian
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+ 42,000,000


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:09 | 902807 Stuck on Zero
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Great point.  Food stamps = price controls!

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:20 | 902536 TruthInSunshine
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The Bernank covers the Police's "Every Breath You Take" as a tribute to the inflation ravaging the world, and especially, the developing world (this video is more relevant than ever now):

Every Breath You Take

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:29 | 902562 WALLST8MY8BALL
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Maybe in Europe yeah, but rioting is just another job that American's just dont want to do.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:50 | 902685 Gully Foyle
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Jefferson Airplane Volunteers Lyrics Look what's happening out in the streets
Got a revolution, got to revolution
Hey, I'm dancing down the streets
Got a revolution, got to revolution
Ain't it amazing all the people I meet?
Got a revolution, got to revolution

One generation got old
One generation got soul
This generation got no destination to hold
Pick up the cry

Hey, now it's time for you and me
Got a revolution, got to revolution
Come on, now we're marching to the sea
Got a revolution, got to revolution

Who will take it from you?
We will and who are we?

We are volunteers of America
Volunteers of America
Volunteers of America
Volunteers of America

Got a revolution
Whoa, got a revolution

Look what's happening out in the streets
Got a revolution, got to revolution
Hey, I'm dancing down the streets
Got a revolution, got to revolution
Ain't it amazing all the people I meet?
Got a revolution

We are volunteers of America
We are volunteers of America
We are volunteers of America
Volunteers of America
Volunteers of America
Volunteers of America

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 13:04 | 903090 Bob
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Update on rioting:

Looks like the government is going to fall.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 08:50 | 902065 bonddude
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Food riots caused by vampire bankers in Sonoma discussed by OBAMA/BUSH

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:07 | 902098 bonddude
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Bank regulators swing and miss ala Madoff

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:10 | 902409 GDE
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Riots in Tunisia were apparently not food riots. Uncle Sam might have play a significant role in Ben Ali's fall.

Article in french :

They're also testimonies on Western mercenaries Blackwater type operating in the streets in Tunisia during the riots.

Fow now on, we might take these governments fall because of food riots stories with a grain of salt. Someone has an agenda here.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:41 | 902635 AnAnonymous
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Riots in Tunisia were apparently not food riots. Uncle Sam might have play a significant role in Ben Ali's fall.


Funny one.

Usually, the US cheers when 'democracy' is installed in a country previously ruled by a dictartorship that was adverse to the US interests.

Did not hear much cheering from the US. Has the Wooden Puppet spoken in favour of Tunisians overthrowing their tyrant?

The reality is that this Ben Ali guy was the type that is loved in the West, unrepresentative of his people and totally dedicated to the Western world interests.

His getting ousted from Tunisia is a loss for the US.

The worst that could happen in Tunisia is a government that tries to represent the locals' best interests as they will collide with the West's best interests here and there.

If this happens, Tunisia shall wait a long, long time before getting its democracy badge of honour attributed by the world democratic gang. Every little issue will be a good excuse to tell that the new Tunisian government is not democratic but something else...

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:54 | 902711 Azannoth
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They won't call it a democracy untill they have a Central Bank run by and for the jews

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:55 | 902719 GDE
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"The reality is that this Ben Ali guy was the type that is loved in the West"

That's not what Wikileaks says. The USA didn't like Ben Ali.

But you are right, Tunisia and others muslims states will wait long time before getting democracy since democraty is a Western political concept that never worked in muslim countries for cultural and religious reasons.



Tue, 01/25/2011 - 16:10 | 903746 AnAnonymous
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The leak reports that the US knew that Ben Ali was corrupt. It stated nothing more.


Democracy is just a gang label tied to no unvariant features.  It is all about being part of the club.

Iraq will (and probably already is) be part of the democratic gang. A courtesy of the US. The puppet government in Iraq will not be adverse to West World interests.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:45 | 902662 EscapeKey
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Least of all Ben Bernanke and the BLS.


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:01 | 902480 GDE
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More news on Tunisia

The Western Men were apparently Germans

4 Germans arrested in taxies with others foreigners with weapons possession near the opposition building in Tunis during the riots (in French)

They said they wanted to go hunting...

Edit : Why am I flag as junk ? I didn't write the story !

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Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:08 | 902105 ReeferMac
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WTF does that ideological religous bullshit have to do with anything?

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:15 | 902129 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:54 | 902223 BorisTheBlade
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Banned from 4chan?

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:00 | 902237 Alcoholic Nativ...
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wtf is a 4chan?

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 14:17 | 903329 BorisTheBlade
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b& from google as well?

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:08 | 902261 HellFish
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What's the problem?  We can only bash Jews here?

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:20 | 902309 bunkermeatheadp...
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Guess you don't read the Ireland topics on ZH.

We give those drunk leprechauns a good bashing too.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:49 | 902428 Rodent Freikorps
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Amen. Broad headed Paddys need to quit that socialist crap and go conquer England.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:44 | 902648 snowball777
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It would seem England is doing just fine kicking its own ass presently.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:56 | 902723 Almost Solvent
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Too soon to throw in the greasy iTalian or dumb Pollack?

Also, Newfees (Newfundland) are assbackwards!

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:49 | 902996 Rodent Freikorps
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Don't forget those evil Ice backs up Scandinavia way. Never could trust them. They are just lulling Europe to let their guard down. Then they will be going a viking.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:15 | 902840 Calmyourself
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Describe how their ass is being kicked snowball. Especially the part about NHS being the worlds largest employer after Indian rail and the PLA in a population of just over 60 million.. Mmmm, government efficiency, smells like burnt toast..

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 13:00 | 903072 snowball777
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I was referring to their miss on GDP estimate from this morning...presumably the result of being 'austere' (at least in a relative sense for their posh behinds).

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 08:53 | 902073 topcallingtroll
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We used to cheer for revolution. We have a long history here of siding with freedom and liberty and against monarchy and hereditary privilege. Egypt has hereditary.privilege and crony capitalism written all over it. Many of the revolutionaries we fight against are inspired by western thoughts of individual liberty and freedom and are disappointed when we side with.corrupt oppressive governments.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:13 | 902126 Rodent Freikorps
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You are kidding, right? The US sat on its hands while the Iranians were beaten back into submission by a theocracy.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:58 | 902231 Terminus C
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But the US was much more "proactive" in removing the democratically elected government to install the authoritarian Shah.

The fact that the Iranians chose religious fundementalists (Iran is not particularly fundementalist as a population) over the Shah should give you some idea about how bad he was.

The US has supported, and continues to support some of the most repressive, authoritarian regimes the world has ever known.  Political, military and economic expediency and pragmatism are much more highly valued in the US government than any sense of ideological loyalty to freedom and liberty.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:14 | 902279 sushi
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Just because we gave Saddham the recipie and precursor chemicals for poision gas doesn't mean we liked him. Just look at the picture of him and Rumsfeld holding hands.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:41 | 902398 Rodent Freikorps
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That is weird since all his weapons were of Soviet design.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:56 | 903050 snowball777
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Don't be silly; we just outbid the Ruskis for the privilege of using the pet monster.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:26 | 902895 Calmyourself
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Yes, lets have 6th graders run our diplomacy efforts..  Real politik rules and it always will, nations have interests not friends..

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:40 | 902396 Rodent Freikorps
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Cold wars cause hard decisions. Are they better off under the Mullahs?

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:52 | 902699 KickIce
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But all for the benefit of the American citizen.  Look how free trade with China has helped our middle class.

sarc off

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:55 | 902445 Poofter Priest
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Yeah that's true.

The shah was sooooo supportive of democracy.

So were we since we deposed an actual democracy to seat the shah.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:02 | 902467 gwar5
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That was so bad, back in the Dulles brother CIA days I think. Those guys were horrible.

But Carter undercut the Shah for something even worse, and they've been thanking us ever since.

One would think we'd get some credit for Carter's Shiite do-goodery or something.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:58 | 902454 gwar5
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Well, most of us didn't want to sit on our hands, but we just had regime change here too.

Our new guy even backed the marxist take over attempt in Honduras same time he was silent on Iran.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:12 | 902506 Rodent Freikorps
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I bought every Honduran product I could find when that was going on. They do good wood work. And, of course, coffee.

Hondurans rock!

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:54 | 902709 Alcoholic Nativ...
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I have a Honduran machete, I plan on hacking up some infidels with it.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:00 | 902751 Rodent Freikorps
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Get in line.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:00 | 902746 KickIce
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Exactly, and imo shows just what kind of government this current regime prefers.  But you can't use the label without a heavy dose of McCarthism.  Never mind that they have installed admitted communists as czars.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 14:41 | 903390 Treeplanter
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True, except for when we have supported Latin American, Asian and African dictatorships, sometimes, as with Reagan, in the name of liberty.  Progressives like FDR, Carter, and Obama have just as bad.  In fact, the Fraud in Chief seems to have a warm spot for brutal dictators.  Hu being just the latest. 

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 08:55 | 902077 Cdad
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I wonder if it is the case that Ben Bernanke just does not have a television...and does not get the newspaper.  Clearly, he has no access to the Interweb.

You know, I think a lot of people are wondering about old Ben Bernanke and whether or not he understands anything that he is doing to the United States of America AND THE REST OF THE FREAKIN' WORLD!

Then again, when you understand why that cat is so into inflation, it really makes you mad at Congress instead. 

Oh well, on with the freak show of rioting, burning, gold thieving, and what have you.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 08:57 | 902079 Dismal Scientist
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So much for the cradle of civilisation. Note I use the correct English spelling of the word, not the bastardis(z)ation on Wiki.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:02 | 902092 Cheeky Bastard
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Nothing wrong with bastardis(z)ation. 

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:07 | 902103 Dismal Scientist
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Well, you would know...

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:45 | 902207 williambanzai7
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The seance worked.....

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:31 | 902364 Hephasteus
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Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:00 | 902238 JW n FL
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by Cheeky Bastard
on Tue, 01/25/2011 - 08:02


Nothing wrong with bastardis(z)ation. 


Thank You! how are you? I pray well.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:01 | 902240 mtomato2
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Good blogger...

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:07 | 902257 Sqworl
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Cheeeeeeeky...I miss ya!!!

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:12 | 902272 Cognitive Dissonance
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Cheeky Bastard, my man in Amsterdam....or wherever the Bastard is hiding. :>)

When I began writing my article about the missing ZH veterans, you were the first one I thought of. Thanks for making an appearance Cheeky.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:17 | 902294 JW n FL
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no he wasnt you wanna be high brow fuck.. lol

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:30 | 902358 chumbawamba
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Quick question: what kind of gay-assed puppy is that in your iconograph?

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:06 | 902478 JW n FL
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I would erase your entire gene pool... as shallow as it is... from my planet over that gay-assed puppy...

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:16 | 902521 Rodent Freikorps
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Real men like little dogs, too. It only has to wake me up. I can do rest myself.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:42 | 902638 JW n FL
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+ he hustles.. fantastic work dog, great on the boat and the plane... he goes to the office with me, when I bother going any more.  

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:52 | 902694 chumbawamba
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Yeah, why bother when no one wants to hire you for anything?  Sucks having no income, which is I guess why you find companionship in an ugly jackalope.  I mean, my god, what the fuck is up with those ears?  Good thing your dog doesn't care if you're a dog dick broke fuck nigger.  He'll still love you long time (and doesn't ask for money at the end).

I am Chumbawamba, and you will smile when you say that.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:14 | 902827 DoChenRollingBearing
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We're smiling, we're smiling also because ZH is glad to have a couple of its bastards back.

Actually, if anything JW might have calmed down since he got his GREAT LOOKING jackalope dog...

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:06 | 902784 Rodent Freikorps
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Heh. My wife got a Yorkie looking little dog and I was scandalized, but damn if that little thing didn't put itself between me and much bigger dog one day. I decided then, even little dogs still have all that makes dogs so friggin awesome.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:40 | 902623 chumbawamba
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It must give some real good head!

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:29 | 902905 JW n FL
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I could go on Chumb... but I am turning a new leaf, for the betterment of my fellow man!

besides, your just mad I stole your tag line... and improved on it.

no biggie, you can have it back.. Bitch.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:33 | 902918 chumbawamba
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Does this mean you're going to finally take a bath?

As for my "tagline", you can't steal what's in the public domain.  You only "stole" it because I let you.  Bitch.

Do you actually have anything even slightly impressive to offer, or should we just end this now while you're only nominally on the edge of embarassed?

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 13:24 | 903159 JW n FL
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i didnt know you wanted to swing, with all the bitch slappin going on I thought it was for fun / sport...

but sure, i like to fight so what would you like to discuss...

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:50 | 902431 lesterbegood
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Cheeky, you're back!

Oh, how I have missed you!

I hope that you are well, and may God always watch over you.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:31 | 902570 psaudio
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great to see you again

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:08 | 902797 DoChenRollingBearing
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Great to see you back Cheeky.  

We hope you are well and will be around to share your insights with all of your friends here at ZH.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 14:13 | 903313 Titus
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I missed that face....

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:07 | 902102 snowball777
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Pommy bast-uhd! ;)

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:09 | 902111 Dismal Scientist
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I think you mean holder of the Ashes plus the honour of leading the developed world back into double dip territory ;-)

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:41 | 902196 Oh regional Indian
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Funny if you think big picture. 

Burn down the house and bring home the Ashes!



Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:20 | 902143 Dugald
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Smile when you say that Pilgrim!!

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:25 | 902335 Cognitive Dissonance
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Don't mess with John.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:31 | 902361 chumbawamba
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Or Texas.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:53 | 902442 Rodent Freikorps
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Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:33 | 902579 Hulk
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Or Chiwhoawhoa's   

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:42 | 902636 chumbawamba
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Good Lord, did you perhaps mean chihuahuas?

I am Chumbawamba (no relation to chihuahuas, unlike JW).

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:55 | 903045 Hulk
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The Les Nessman version. In other news...

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 13:18 | 903138 chumbawamba
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Ah.  I get it now.

That was a great show.

TV was like soft drinks back then: still bad for you but not the poisonous swill they sell us today.

Mylie Cyrus crotch shot, anyone?

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:53 | 902441 gwar5
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I miss the Duke

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:57 | 902728 Gully Foyle
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"I miss the Duke"

I miss his movies. The fucking guy did everything in his power to avoid service during WW2, shitty fucking man.

It is rumored he had no real life outside of movie making.

Now Audie Murphy, there was a real hero and star.


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:11 | 902817 Rodent Freikorps
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He was helping the war effort being a war hero on film. We were in total war conditions, and that did help the effort more than taking a bullet would have.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:05 | 902777 KickIce
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Hey, we have Sean Penn and get high quality films like Broke Back Mountain.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 14:15 | 903323 Titus
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Especially in "The Conqueror". That little mustache scared the shit out of me.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 08:58 | 902080 Bringin It
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Congradulations to the people of Egypt.  The world will be a better place if you can pull off the regieme change.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:18 | 902140 Zero Debt
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Political upheaval in Egypt is bound to be a game changer in the Middle East. Not necessarily for the better, but sure, something different.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:55 | 902224 johan404
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I'm confident that both Tunisia and Egypt will install regimes that are like gimps to the US/West.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:59 | 902449 GDE
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Now that Ben Ali is gone, islamists are already on their ways for Tunisia and it wil be the same in Egypt if Moubarak is taken down.

Democracy never works in muslims/africans countries and never will. It's not compatible with islam and their tribal cultures. They always come back to an islamic state or an authoritary laical regime.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:31 | 902565 tonyw
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I can confirm that, earlier today i received an email (in Arabic) promoting an Islamic state in Tunisia.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largesse out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing"  atrributed to Alexander Tyler.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:34 | 902587 AnAnonymous
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“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largesse out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing"  atrributed to Alexander Tyler.


Those islamist guys have much in common with a large number of ZH posters then.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:20 | 902863 tonyw
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Oops, the comment wrt democracy was not in the email, I was merely adding a quote about democracy to indicate it is not only relevant to islamic states.


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:48 | 902673 johngerard
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Someone above questioned "WTF does idealogical religious bullshit have to do with it".  well, it has everything to do with it.  it's a shame that many westerners have been brainwashed into believing that islamism is some sort of rational response to western actions, when it's simply about religious ideology. that's all there is to it. i have no doubt that tunisia and now egypt are on the road to becoming islamic theocracies at some point, just as turkey is.  turkey reined in the power of the army in september as a result of their referendum.  somewhat counter-intuitively, reining in the power of the army in turkey is not a good idea.  they are the guardians of secularism. erdogan wants a free run at creating an islamic republic soon, or in the coming years for his successors.  here's a quote from him: "democracy is a train from which you can alight when you reach your destination".  seems pretty clear to me.  "let's get the people to vote for an islamic republic, then ban democracy.  no-one can complain, as the people clearly voted for it". that's the goal in these countries now.

and the muslim brotherhood aren't involved in this action in egypt? yeah, right - i believe you - thanks for the press release confirming it. superb.

If you think these regimes are going to be replaced with democratic governments, you need your head examined.  they will simply swap them for another form of autocracy.

but let's get this back on track - can someone please post "the jews did it"?


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:15 | 902834 Rodent Freikorps
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Seems the West has been at war with Islam far longer than the US has existed. About a thousand years now, I believe.

But don't tell the Blame America First crowd. Part of their ego is involved in licking Europe's ass.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:11 | 902496 Agent P
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Should be easy as it appears the riot police wear red tutus and beat back the protesters with foam padded batons.

Before you junk me, scroll up and look at the picture (then come back and junk me).

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:38 | 902617 Oh regional Indian
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Agent, ever heard of the iron fist in a velvet glove? Or bats bound with blankets?

That is vicious design you see there. Break a bone but leave no mark.

Such is how it is. By the way, anyone notice how all these poor as shit countries have such similarly and awesomely uniformed and protected riot police?


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:41 | 902951 Agent P
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No doubt.  I just thought it looked like he was wielding a gel keyboard wrist rest from Office Max when I first saw the pic...throw in the red smear at waist level, and I thought it'd make for a funny comment.  Probably should have used the "/sarc", but I didn't think it was necessary.

It's obvious from the dude in the blue shirt cowering away that it's a serious whoop-ass stick...whatever is under the padding.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 08:58 | 902081 Xibalba
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Nothing the Chairman can't fix.  He'll say so on Wednesday.  Thanks!

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:35 | 902379 Crassus
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True that. Something has to replace the Ottoman Empire.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:15 | 902518 Which is worse ...
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I was turned around at the Lebanese border coming from Syria this morning. There is no Chairman here....the Hariri people rioting in the streets would pretty much burn whomever calls themselves the Chairman inside one of the tires they set on fire today. 

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 08:59 | 902083 Captain Benny
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Sad times we live in.  The Federal Reserved has failed to stimulate its economy, instead its only managed to export inflation to the whole world.  People outside America are fed up enough to take to the streets.  Some people in America are buying guns, ammo, food, and precious metals in preparation for what is increasingly seen elsewhere in the world.  But it isn't a majority, its a small small minority.

The normalcy bias is in full effect.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 10:51 | 902427 gwar5
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Probably 90% --- of the 1% that knows what is going on --- is getting prepared. 

Sadly, the other 99% of the population couldn't name our vice president, much less know there are food riots spreading in the Middle East due to exported inflation by our own Federal Reserve, and that their own savings are being diminished, and peak standard of living is probably already behind us.

It's not even being told by the media which hides the grim truths. Good luck to all.


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:29 | 902561 SheepDog-One
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About 1% at most Id say are preparing themselves for whats coming next.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:37 | 902605 Rodent Freikorps
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Think of it as the Darwin Eugenics Event. We are living in interesting times.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:03 | 902765 Gully Foyle
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Rodent Freikorps

"Think of it as the Darwin Eugenics Event. We are living in interesting times."

Frank: Do you mind my asking: you're writing a book, yet you don't believe any of the prophecies?
Jose: At the start of the nineties, they predicted major breakthroughs for the neurosciences: the 'Decade of the
Brain'. Instead, it was the decade of ... body-piercing. Now why should the millennium predictions be more accurate?"
Frank: "The religious component. Do you not believe in God either?
Jose: Oh, there are times when I've been a devout believer. And there are some times I have been a staunch atheist, and there've been times when I've been both ... during the same course of the same sexual act.
Frank: Don't be dark. Personally, I think this is a very significant time in mankind's history.
Jose: But that's what every man throughout history has said about his time.


Jose: Well, all's well that ends well. Though that's easy for Shakespeare to say... he'll be around for another millennium. But what of our own millennium? Will it all end well? No one can know, but that of course doesn't stop anyone from guessing. And the nature of those predictions always revolve around the usual suspects: salvation and/or self-satisfaction. With that in mind, I humbly add my own prophecy of what the dawn of the new millennium shall bring forth: one thousand more years of the same, old crap

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:01 | 902088 Pants McPants
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I'd be interested to know the average rioter's opinion.  Specifically, is he/she rioting because they want to overthrow an oppressive regime and replace it with free enterprise....or does he/she believe all that's required is a change from one "elected" team to another?

I hope it is (a) but realize the answer is likely (b).

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:13 | 902124 sushi
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The real answer is c)

They want a piece of that 6 trillion in credit the World Fantasy Forum wants to unleash on the world. They will soon need that amount just to buy bread.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 11:30 | 902563 AnAnonymous
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Specifically, is he/she rioting because they want to overthrow an oppressive regime and replace it with free enterprise


Well, well, that is projecting. Hard for them to believe that free entreprise can lead them to success... Usually, they have been at the wrong side, the one that was used to fund the free entreprise myth.


They probably wish for something they can not get: a government that reflects their best interests. Unfortunately for them, they will keep hitting the same wall: a government expressing the locals' best interests will underline that it is not compatible with our best interests. Making it impossible for them to get such government.

Just checking the political research litterature for the two last decades: focus: how to get foreign governments to be pro western world.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:02 | 902090 Racer
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I don't know how Zimbabwe Ben can sleep at night with all the starvation and deaths that he has caused on his conscience

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:10 | 902112 sabra1
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how long do you think it'll take until the world seeks revenge against the U.S.?

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