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Ron Paul Appeals To America: "Default Now, Or Suffer A More Expensive Crisis Later"

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Fri, 07/22/2011 - 15:25 | 1481972 legal eagle
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Too reasonable to be heard

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 16:10 | 1482270 ZerOhead
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Don't look now but your ass is on fire!

(New York is 102 today... I think you'll beat that easily :)

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 16:05 | 1482278 sun tzu
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STFU Benny Boy

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 16:08 | 1482305 Bay of Pigs
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Maybe yo mama Max?

 

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 16:24 | 1482397 max2205
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you guys junked 2 "..." ? lol

the deleted post said RP is a toothless duweeb

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 16:44 | 1482510 Oh regional Indian
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Interesting, because I happen to agree.

ANd now it is clear why Grampappy Paul, Not so Free Mason was groomed in that image all these years.

The rational voice of Professor (or is that Pontiff to some?) Paul will move his herd in teh right direction. His moment of truth; Default my brothers and sisters, the voice of fiscal sanity in the USSA hasss ssssspoken.

Hisssssss........

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/10/18/an-opportunity-and-a-golden-warning/

 

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 17:34 | 1482674 High Plains Drifter
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it is interesting that in all of ron paul's  career, his most important part in the play comes at the end of his life and his career. now his time has come. like a falling star streaking across the sky, he is shining brightly now and his light attacts the disaffected to its brightness, as it was intended, when the plan was concocted so many years ago........

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 17:55 | 1482735 Quintus
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......or could it just be that he's getting more recognition now that the stuff he's been predicting for several decades is actually coming to pass just like he said it would?

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 18:12 | 1482778 High Plains Drifter
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yes and who listens to him? you? me?  so what? we don't matter. get it ?  he is just playing his part.   why won't he go near 911?  and please don't tell me, it is because it is politically not viable for him. heck if he ever did start asking the right questions, how long do you think he would live?  anyone can say this or that is coming. nobody listens. nobody. he is playing the part of the controlled opposition. watch him run third party this time and see as he splits the vote just like another controlled opposition person (ross perot)  did in 1992. it never gets better but always get worse. there is no hope unless you take the hope by force. this is the game as it is played. this is our only option now. there is no more time for talk and no more time for voting games. the system is broken and ron paul will not fix it. not him or anyone else.........except you and me......

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 18:22 | 1482847 traderjoe
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+1 - he's been in the house since the 70's...

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 21:38 | 1483770 mouthpiece
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That's a nice little theory, and I suppose it could be true.  I don't know for sure.  But I'm willing to take a gamble on Ron Paul.  What if he is the real deal?  What have I got to lose voting for him?  It's worth a shot.

After all, there's no one else to vote for.

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 23:29 | 1484084 dark pools of soros
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plenty of people talk about 9/11 - look what they did to Sibel - so why does Ron have to be everything for everyone?? Blame the rest of congress that do not join forces with him.

 

 

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 09:35 | 1484442 Ra-Marduk
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Stop smoking da weed. You have been junked - now have a nice day.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 12:32 | 1484825 Baptiste Say
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Because going near 9/11 would have him incur the wrath of 99% of the obese, mentally deficient, brainwashed, fluoridated and ultranationalist citizens subjects of your broke, shithole, war mongering nation fiefdom and would almost certainly ruin his chances of ever taking down the Federal reserve.

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 18:26 | 1482875 Shell Game
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Short answer:  yes.   I don't buy the "Ross Perots and Ron Pauls" of the world are paid stooges to throw us off.  Bullshit.  The herd needs no stooge to be thrown off. LOL!  They are thrown quite far off by the game as it is without a third party conspiracy theory.

If I might pen some hope.. When all this shyte goes down, there will be many who remember the few who spoke the truth.  I may be naive, but I believe this will catalyze a new era of realism and sound living.

 

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 20:13 | 1483368 Havana White
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Agree.  We'd probably be in pretty good shape if Perot had won.

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 21:26 | 1483717 DCFusor
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I live in a small town.  Only two polls.  As a goof (and partly serious) we all decided to vote for Perot, just to see what the returns looked like.  They recorded almost no votes for him -- he didn't have a poll watcher in our district, so the DemoCans just canned all the votes for him outright.  This created another few hundred people who *KNOW* how corrupt things are - we doggone well know we voted and who for, and hundreds of our votes got tossed.  Can't prove it, of course, just that we all did, and we all know what was reported.  What a joke.  In bad taste, of course.

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 21:51 | 1483816 mouthpiece
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Assuming you aren't just full of shit, what you should do is try to organize this small town of yours again, and this time, videotape every single person in the town going in to place their vote, and when the votes get counted, if yours aren't, post the video on youtube.  There's proof.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 11:57 | 1484717 yeah right
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Solution, write your name on the ballot!!

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 00:14 | 1484193 bigkahuna
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I have seen this kind of thing during the 2008 republican state convention. The Ron Paul delegates were harassed continuously by the mccain thugs - I almost knocked one of the thugs out. It was downright nasty and hostile. I am a Paul supporter who is not prone to violence but the bs I encountered there tore what was left of the blinders off of my eyes and revealed the political process to me to be a sham. Oh boy I was ANGRY! I will never get myself elected to be a delegate again. Needless to say fuser, I believe what you are saying. 

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 09:40 | 1484449 GreenSideUp
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+++++

My experience exactly.  One of my friends was threatened with arrest if he didn't shut up in response to a neo-con speaker saying the RP folks should be thrown out of the party. 

4 of my friends were delegates to the national convention.  Thier books and other materials were confiscated, they were watched constantly and they were told that they could not vote for Ron Paul.  Remember, RP was not allowed to speak at the repub convention but Joe LIEberman was.

Those events ripped the last of the scales off my eyes.  Any notion I had of honesty in the electoral process was ripped to shreads.  This isn't a republic or a democracy, and the entire election process is nothing but a show.  

 

 

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 12:09 | 1484756 Havana White
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In many of the black neighborhoods here in Florida, signs will appear overnight, urging citizens to vote, on such and such a date - that date being one day late.  Other dirty tricks too many to mention.  Of course this kind of thing is as old as voting itself.

Not as old was the notorious Ohio incident, when the top dog at Diebold, the maker of the voting machines, guaranteed R-party officials he "could deliver Bush."  Same election, same place: we saw TV of blacks having to wait in long lines for hours, to vote, while white voters breezed through their precincts.

In swing states, campaigns are only part of the persuasive process.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 07:23 | 1486745 Bob
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A majority of states are implementing state ID requirements for voting.  This will definitely cut down on the black vote: If you have outstanding warrants--traffic tickets, child support being the most common, wouldn't be surprised if it were 20% of black men--for shit you don't have the money to pay, would you show up to vote if suddenly a lot of attention were being focuses on ID?

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 23:02 | 1483981 CompassionateFascist
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RP's libertarian economics = open borders labor sweatshopping + Free Trade job outsourcing. These STRUCTURAL disasters are one of the prime sources of gov't effort to force demand via funnymoney. He's got part of the solution - HardMoney - but he's also part of the problem. Also, he grossly understates the consequences of Fed Govt default. There will be cascading defaults throughout our entire political economy, and the dollar will be run w/in hours. Unless you are armed, provisioned, networked, and non-urban....Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye. But I still think the Republicrats in the House will crack wide open before the so-called deadline, with the liberal wing of the party lining up with the Dems to up the debt ceiling. Result: can kicked down the road to summer of 2012, + huge - tho temporary - political victory for Zero. Remember, this guy is Chicago Mafia. He won't back down.

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 18:19 | 1482820 traderjoe
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Why does a sovereign country borrow its own 'money' from private corporations at interest? Ron never addresses why we borrow in the first place.

I bought a 1966 United States Note recently. Very different in terms of how that money comes into existence.

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 22:01 | 1483858 samslaught
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maybe I can help you out.  Dollars are not "money," dollars are debt.  Gold has been and is (secretly) still the money of nations.  Dollars can only be brought into existence through borrowing.  The use of Fiat currencies is a brilliant scam that allows nations to inslave their people through debt and steal from them through inflation.  When the scam finally runs it's course the governments of the world will have just as much "money" (gold) as they did before they started the scam.  The government has no intention of paying back the principal or interest on any of the "dollars" it borrows.  It would however like to keep the scam going as long as possible.  Any attempts at fiscal responsibility is just to extend the ponzi and nothing more 

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 23:39 | 1484111 dark pools of soros
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and that is why Another used to say 'Gold goes where it needs to be' as far as countries are concerned...

 

small self-sustaining towns have no need for big government....  remember the Kulaks

http://www.indepthinfo.com/russia/kulaks.htm

 

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 12:08 | 1484748 Prometheus418
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No, "Dollars" are 371.25 grains of pure silver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coinage_Act_of_1792

 

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 18:54 | 1485672 samslaught
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not anymore they aren't.  The fiat scam always starts and ends the same way. 

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 15:37 | 1482075 Gringo Viejo
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Copy that, eagle.

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 15:53 | 1482204 B9K9
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Actually, too clueless to understand.

Why is it so difficult to grasp that the US is nothing more than an empire? Our very lifestyles (by that, I mean taking a crap and having the shit actually flush down the toilet, or getting in your car and driving somewhere with -0- concern whatsoever about fuel availability/affordability, etc.) are based on two key predicates: we control the world's most critical resources via our military, and the tools/personnel are paid with FRNs backed by this self-same resource. A perfect, virtuous cycle if you will.

Break one segment, and the other fails. The banks don't control our government; the federal government is THE bank. It's truly all we've got - our economy doesn't produce anything of value that the world wants/needs. All we've got are the most techologically advanced arms in which to dominate other peoples. No one, even Ron Paul, wants to call that out, because what it means is we're nothing more than a scaled up mafia operation controlling local neighborhoods.

Is it sustainable? Of course not. So what does that mean? Well, it means stop paying attention to the day-day BS and focus on the bigger picture in terms of surviving the coming cull.

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 16:03 | 1482257 legal eagle
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Just not true.  The United States was only surpassed this year in manufacturing by China.  For all the hot air about our lack of manufacturing, we still do manufacture. We shoud, of course, attempt to increase the manufacturing by entering into "fair" trade agreements, not those which benefit other nations.  China is bankrupting the US by keeping its currency pegged to the dollar at a low rate so their goods are incredibly cheap.  If we simply have trade agreements that equalized the currency debasement, manufacturing would return home. Time is of the essence, because we do lose manufacturing jobs every month.

You are simply buying into the US propoganda regarding its "necessary" war machine.  This is the same propoganda every abusive government in history has used, you should not fall for it so easily.

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 16:19 | 1482323 Vic Vinegar
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Absolutely all of what B9K9 said is true.  The only question you need to ask yourself is do you keep on trading stocks on the internet or worry about "surviving the coming cull".  Pick a side brother!

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 16:46 | 1482522 Oh regional Indian
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The B9K9 is definitely a woof of sanity.

ORI

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 17:16 | 1482624 Vic Vinegar
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Agreed, ORI.  For your sake, mine and I guess everybody's, let's hope the stuff CPL was prattling on about the other night doesn't come to fruition.  Have a great weekend. 

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 17:39 | 1482691 BoNeSxxx
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CPL???

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 17:41 | 1482699 jm
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"Corn Pone Lameass"

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 17:56 | 1482743 Vic Vinegar
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It was the highlight of the week when it came to Zero Hedge.  Four minutes after Tyler gives us an update about the budget talks, CPL rolls into town with this magic:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/paul-ryan-responds-gang-six-bipartisan-deficit-cutting-plan

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 16:51 | 1482535 ATM
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Only everything he posted isn't true and demonstrably so.

I got no problem with the Empire stuff but the controlling oil crap thru the military isn't accurate. We are able to use much more oil than we should because we have the reserve currency and oil is priced in dollars. This gives us a huge discount every day.

Also, the propoganda about the US not producing anything of value that the rest of the world wants is horseshit. Come to the industrial Midwest and I will show you a hundred companies that produce all sorts of things that are sent all over the world.

How about things like construction equipment, ball bearings, transmissions, aircraft, HVAC, machine tools, farm equipment, mining equipment, yada yada yada?

Our enemy is the same that it has always been - those that seek power. Govt is the problem in the US because it is one that has done what all govts do - it has assumed more and more and more power until it has stiffled individual liberty to a point that it almost makes no sense to even try any longer.

The power seekers always bankrupt the people who then have to try to throw off the oppressors. I hope we can.

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 17:14 | 1482619 Vic Vinegar
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All fair points.  But sorry I can't resist:

Come to the industrial Midwest and I will show you a hundred companies that produce all sorts of things that are sent all over the world.

And come to Van Nuys and I will show you the same.  :-)

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 17:28 | 1482654 Joe Sixpack
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pornography is not wanted everywhere.

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 17:47 | 1482713 Nathan Muir
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Think macro - as long as we import more than we export it doesn't really matter how much we produce.  The thing that saves us (or has in the past), as you point out, is what we really export are FRN's...I also agree that is why we can consume 35% of the world's energy.  It's all about the FRN.

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 21:29 | 1483728 DCFusor
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No need to create a false dichotomy -- I am ready for the cull, and still trade and make hay while the sun shines (or whatever that is that makes stocks go up and down).

 

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 22:30 | 1483945 TruthInSunshine
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by legal eagle
on Fri, 07/22/2011 - 16:03
#1482257

Just not true.  The United States was only surpassed this year in manufacturing by China.  For all the hot air about our lack of manufacturing, we still do manufacture. We shoud, of course, attempt to increase the manufacturing by entering into "fair" trade agreements...

 

It's the trend that matters, LG, and the trend is quite bad, and since NAFTA was passed and China given MFN trading status, that quite bad trend has been firmly entrenched.

You say we still manufacture things; I say that we're still losing manufacturing capacity, manufacturing jobs, and manufacturing prowess, technology and innovative processes to foreign nations each and every year since NAFTA and China's MFN status were signed into law.

Whether this is a good, bad or neutral thing is a matter for debate, though I tend to think that it's net negative for our future (multinationals have no national allegiance, and once the IP and technology is gone, it's gone for good).

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 16:13 | 1482330 JW n FL
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The Federal Reserve is a PRIVATE BANK!

 

The ShareHolders! of the Federal Reserve Bank earn 6% for EVERY! dollar Printed out of thin air.

 

http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/federal-reserve-system

 

At their web site, the Federal Reserve describes the branches as corporations operated for non-profit purposes *[http://federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm#5]. The Fed indicates the shares do not constitute ownership as such. The 'non-profit' aspect is only partly true as member banks receive a 6% dividend on their shares.

* the link has been killed off but is 100% accurate. http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/default.htm

 

Big Picture? Let the Culling Continue Un-Abated!

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 16:55 | 1482552 ATM
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That's why the first thing we should default on is the Treasuries the Fed has now and the second thing is the treasuries that are owned by federal agencies. Then we can default on foreign owned debt because we haven't been billing them for police services for 65 years. If my math is right the rest of the world owes us about $200T. 

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 17:19 | 1482632 nufio
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nobody asked for police service... and nobody is going to give the US any resources for its police service..i can understand that the US needs money because its broke, but its not going to be able to convince anyone else that they owe it money for services rendered. thats laughable.

what i really dont understand is why bullies need a moral justificaiton for thier acts of bullying?

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 17:41 | 1482700 SilverRhino
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Enjoy your land bound existence then.  Who owns the seas again?  

Something to consider.   The day the US wants to isolate each continent it pretty much has the capability to do so. 

 

Fri, 07/22/2011 - 18:15 | 1482793 HellFish
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Are you referring to the bullying that in WWII that cost the US 400K deaths to preserve a free Europe?  Or maybe The deaths US deaths due to the bullying during WWI?  Or maybe the bullying during the cold war?  Or the bullying from the Gulf war where the US stepped up to enforce UN resolutions the rest of the hapless world couldn't or wouldn't do without them.

 

You might need to revisit your definition of bullying.

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