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Ron Paul On Holding The President Accountable On Libya

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From Ron Paul

Holding the President Accountable on Libya

Last week, more than 70 days after President Obama sent our military
to attack Libya without a congressional declaration of war, the House of
Representatives finally voted on two resolutions attempting to rein in
the president.  This debate was long overdue, as polls show Americans
increasingly are frustrated by congressional inaction. According to a
CNN poll last week, 55 percent of the American people believe that
Congress, not the president, should have the final authority to decide
whether the U.S. should continue its military mission in Libya. Yet for
more than 70 days Congress has ignored its constitutional obligations
and allowed the president to usurp its authority.

Finally, Congressman Dennis Kucinich was able to bring to the floor a
resolution asserting that proper constitutional war power authority
resides with Congress. His resolution simply stated that "Congress
directs the President to remove the United States Armed Forces from
Libya by not later than the date that is 15 days after the date of the
adoption of this concurrent resolution."

Opponents of the withdrawal resolution said the 15 day deadline was
too abrupt. But as I pointed out during debate, the president attacked
Libya abruptly – he didn't even bother to consult Congress – so why
can't he order an end to military action just as abruptly? When members
of Congress took an oath of office to defend the Constitution, we did
not pledge to defend it only gradually, a little bit at a time. On the
contrary, we must defend it vigorously and completely from the moment we
take that oath. I was pleased that 87 Republicans were able to put the
Constitution first and support this resolution.

House Speaker John Boehner offered his own resolution on the same
day, which declared that Congress would not support the insertion of US
ground troops into Libya. Although this unfortunately was far from
adequate to satisfy our constitutional obligations, it certainly was a
step in the right direction and I am pleased that it passed in the
House.  Just days before Speaker Boehner's resolution, an amendment to
the defense authorization act prohibited the president from using any
funds in the bill to insert US troops into Libya. A separate amendment
last week prohibiting any funds appropriated to the Department of
Homeland Security from being used to attack Libya came within just a
handful of votes from passing.  All of these votes demonstrate that
members of Congress increasingly understand that our foreign wars are
deeply unpopular with their constituents.  We are broke, and the
American people know it.  They expect Congress to focus on fixing
America's economic problems, rather than rubber stamping yet another
open-ended military intervention in Libya.

I believe these resolutions and amendments indicate that the tide is
turning in the right direction.  I am confident we will see Congress
move toward ending our unconstitutional wars.  The American people are
demanding no less.  The president's attack on Libya was unconstitutional
and thus unlawful.  This policy must be reversed.

 

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Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:18 | 1343885 High Plains Drifter
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the american army perhaps is the trump card in any such scenerio. if it could only be controlled. but unfortunatley there are many in the armed forces that say yes to a few shekels, (as it is in most places in our government) than doing the right thing. they look the other way while we fight wars that we should not fight. they remain silent instead of arguing the case for us. without them in your corner , any break from the beast will fail. this is the way it is now. the only way this beast will be broken is by us. no one else is coming to help. no one. the american people must do it. we and we alone must do it. there is no one else to do it. none. we stand alone. then the question must be asked. will this ever happen? to this i say, i simply do not know. at one time i was sure of it. but as time goes by, i realize this may never happen.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:52 | 1344027 pops
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It will have to get a lot worse for a lot more people before they open their eyes.  When they do, it will be a crap shoot whether we can pull it off and clean up our government.

The army will be the key.  Those young men are trained to follow orders and follow them they will...until their own families are on the line.  I don't see Private Smith loading his own family on the bus for the FEMA camp. 

 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 13:49 | 1343778 Alcoholic Nativ...
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No official war has been declared for Iraq or Afhganistan either people.  You guys act like Obama has any say in foreign policy.  The pentagon is rogue, and Obama is beyond a bitch, he faked killing Osama Bin Laden for fucks sake.  That right there was just the nail in the coffin, the noose around the neck.  He has no say anymore.  This puppet bitch is completely controlled at this point and WILL win a 2nd term.

History will roast this uncle tom alive, may he continue to be disrupted dismantled and defeated.

Oh, and BTW, Ron Paul is weak on terror, and takes marching orders from Al-Qaeda.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:04 | 1343830 High Plains Drifter
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you ever wonder why the pentagon is shaped like it is?  what is the esoteric meaning of such a shape?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:53 | 1344012 Oh regional Indian
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Precisely HPD.
If you haven't already, check this out. Blew my mind. The whole site actually.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/mystical-sites-u-s-capitol/

ORI

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 15:21 | 1344132 High Plains Drifter
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real meanings are hidden in plain sight. like the washington monument. which is very similar to the san jacinto monument in houston texas. all built for the same reasons, by people with similar viewpoints about this world. the story of texas, is much more complicated than some simple story of a rag tag army under sam houston winning battles against a man named santa anna. heck as far as that goes, the story of mexico is much more complicated than most people know. all of this historicity is hidden in plain view from most unless you have eyes to see it and ears to hear it and a inquiring mind which wishes to know........

 

which brings me again to this fine speech made by perhaps the last great president we ever had in the 20th century.......john kennedy.....

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

and not long after this speech he was dead. to really know where a man stands on issues, (i am very sorry to say) is that said man, must pay the price which sometimes means he must die for the cause. this is the way this world works now. to know that a man really is who he says he is, one can only know this, if the man pays the price either by jail sentence on trumped up charges, or losing everything he has, or by death. nothing happens by accident. unless someone has something bad happen to them for example, then one can assume that such public official is not a threat to the powers that be(to be nice about it)......it is a sad world we live in, when such levels of trust must be measured by how much a man suffers. but this is the game as it is played now. then , one must say, that judging the way the game is played now by the rules in place, what can be gathered by looking at ron paul? what kind of bona fides has he gathered in his 20 years of service for the people? well to be blunt, he has not been bothered that much it would appear. therefore one must conclude that despite all of this rhetoric, he is not deemed a threat to them or they would close him out, as they have done so many times before.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 15:40 | 1344218 Oh regional Indian
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Any links to this "real" history of Texas/Mexico? Or should I say Texico and Mexico? Nuevo Mexico, Arizexico.....Baaaaahaaaaaaa......etc.

ORI

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 17:45 | 1344716 High Plains Drifter
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there is a small rather obscure book out, that was written in the 80's by a mexican intellectual , by the name of salvadore borrego. the name of the book is

puzzling neighbors, a historical guide to understanding modern mexico.

 

when one understands mexico, then one will understand texas.  people here may have fought the mexicans for what they may have thought was independence, but both sides as usual were controlled by the same people.......

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:15 | 1345920 Oh regional Indian
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Thanks. Doubt I'll get it here in India. BUt I can just guess the subterfuge.

ORI

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 23:58 | 1345897 Prometheus418
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Not sure what your point is.  What system did you think you were living in?

More importantly, what system are you advocating?

The second picture depicts George Washington- the man who refused to be the King of America.  I'm sorry that heroic symbolism scares you, but that is no reason for the rest of us to abandon it.

It is no less true to say that America is a Masonic nation than it is to say that it is a Christian one.  We would all be far better off if we returned to those roots.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 13:52 | 1343779 detersbb
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Articles of Impeachment Should have circulated at day 59 & removal from office should have happened on day 60 if an immediate end to the unapproved conflict had not concluded.

 

But that is to say that both the president and the legislature are in some way bound by the laws which are just an obstacle to be circumvented in the never ending quest to maintain/sustain power & world conquest/domination.

 

Pathetic!

 

Too little too late, and I actually thought Mr. Constitution would step up in the 11th hour & prove his professed but unsubstaintatined claims of being a champion for the US Constitution against all enemies foreign & domestic.  Hahahaha-If you believed that...a bridge I have for sale.

 

The whole of the executive, the legislative, & the judiciary should be extridicted to Guantanamo & treatd like the terrorists they are, even Paul & Kuchinch 70 days & no articles of impeachment have even been circulated?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:05 | 1343836 High Plains Drifter
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you do realize all of this will require us to take out our M4's and sharpen our bayonets and go and take care of beeswax.?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 13:48 | 1343780 Azannoth
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It does not matter whether you crash into a wall going 250km/h or 245km/h, and the wall is much closer than physically possible to break or avoid in time, and I mean that for the whole human race in general, a species that has 'prospered' on avoiding and ignoring all problems will not be prepared for the next major global killer

Remember all those movies(staring Bruce Willis :) where the whole Planet(or at least USA) gets together to avert and immediate threat and succeeds, well judging on how humans solve problems I guess seeing a wall they would just put the pedal to the metal

And this is exactly what humans are doing, by most independent scientists views we are on the verge of a new ice age, and what are we doing, investing in reducing the heat LOLz

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 13:53 | 1343786 Broomer
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Accountability

POTUS

How about no?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 13:53 | 1343797 High Plains Drifter
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moving right along...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sex-comment-sabotaged-my-...

In the article, Mr Norris is reported as saying: "I cannot understand how anybody could find children of either sex in the slightest bit attractive sexually ... but in terms of classic paedophilia, as practised by the Greeks, for example, where it is an older man introducing a younger man to adult life, there can be something said for it. Now, again, this is not something that appeals to me.

"Although, when I was younger, I would have greatly relished the prospect of an older, attractive, mature man taking me under his wing, lovingly introducing me to sexual realities, treating me with affection, teaching me about life."

old queen in ireland is mad because someone dares to bring up comments he has made in the past, betraying his true feelings about homosexuality and pedernasty etc.

oy veh, just another brick in the wall, lads. besides the constant dumping of africans on your white nation, now they yids want you to have a old queer for a leader. oh yeh, that will help out on the bottom line....

ok, flame suit is now on. irish may complain and bitch and threaten me with bodily harm now.......ha ha ha

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 13:58 | 1343801 GottaBKiddn
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An accountable President, and Congress?

To AIPAC maybe, but not to the people.

 

 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:01 | 1343813 High Plains Drifter
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what presidential candidate do we have now, that is in a position of winning (shall we say) who has not gone to israel and kissed the feet of bibi and the likudniks and gone to the wailing wall and said a prayer for their asses and that the angel of light may bring much jewish campaign money to them in their coming presidential runs....?  all of them no?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:11 | 1343847 Laddie
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MOST democrat money does come from Jewish donors; Repubs get some also.

What is most important is that BOTH political parties are in the pocket of The Lobby, as it is called on the Hill.

That results in stuff like this:

War on Iraq how much did that cost--and WHY?

 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:17 | 1343863 High Plains Drifter
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you are most correct laddie. and what president wanted to make aipac register itself as a foreign entity?    president kennedy perhaps? 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:41 | 1343961 Problem Is
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John "3 Holes" Kennedy... I admire his speech denouncing secret oaths and secret societies greatly...

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:00 | 1343808 schizo321437
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The illusion of control. Demanding what is inevitible.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:08 | 1343834 Laddie
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Libya has done nothing to the US, and Obama rather than act immediately on Fukushima, went on a trip to Brazil and started a war with Libya. They are bombing HOMES in Libya that are in areas friendly to the Q guy. Killed Q's son and grandkids.

Who are the real thugs? Could it be, not Q, but UK, France & the USSA?

Now if we treated other nations the same way:

Our ally, who needs enemies?

No we REWARD them:

$3 Trillion, boy what a bargain!

 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:11 | 1343855 Broomer
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Obama's voyage to Brazil is fine, he came here because of the pre salt oil deposits.

It's the oil, stupid.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:54 | 1344017 DaveyJones
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oil is in everything...and everything is in oil

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:15 | 1343859 High Plains Drifter
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what is weird about it all is that the libyan president is born of a jewish mother, is a member in good standing of the masonic order , yet they want to kill him. one might think that he had many things working for him in this world. perhaps at one time he did, while he was useful, but maybe our dear Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi, had wandered off of the reservation, and gotten too nationalistic and realized that he should help his people in this world, and this flew in the face of those who control the world. which brings me to this conclusion. when your usage has come to a end, it matters not who you are, if they want you gone, you will be gone. when you dance with the devil you will get burned.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:55 | 1344024 Problem Is
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Gaddafi, Kaddafi, Qaddafi... a widow's son? 33rd degree no doubt...

How about Mubarak??

Your analysis is pretty spot on... Ole Gaddafi wasn't signing enough World Bank/IMF loans, was cutting into World Bank/IMF business with the African Development bank and was talking gold back currency...

Them's off the reservation activities to the bankster cartel...

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 15:38 | 1344193 High Plains Drifter
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well mubarak, same thing. for him i would say they were tired of him. maybe he was making noises about getting cosey with the palestinians . i don't know. one thing is for sure. the so-called arab spring is not happening by accident. it is being controlled by outside forces. the sheep go in the street and act like they have the power to affect change. but in reality the change  that is happening is a controlled change. now outliers do happen, no doubt. one would hope that a true people's revolution can and will happen in egypt. but i have my doubts. in the Biblical text in the book of Job, it is written that the Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away. on another note it can be most assuredly said that in this world when the hidden hand gives, it can also take it away real easy. and so it does......they used them for a purpose. and now they throw them out like yesterday's trash. one thing is for certain. you cannot become a leader in a IMF country unless you are member in good standing of the masonic order. that way the goy governments can be controlled because these masonic goys are brain washed into thinking that they are part of the big game, and useful cogs in the machinery of this world when in fact, they are merely tools to be used and then discarded......no one told them why they , as goys, could not go to certain (jewish only)lodges, such as B'nai B'rith International but could only go to their goy lodges. as is the way things are done, you can envision the organizational chart as a series of concentric circles, in which members of one circle cannot go into the next circle and all things are done on a need to know basis.......the fact is , that these men got caught up in this business probably since they were children and they were raised since childhood to do what it is they are doing, kind of like our last two presidents for instance.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:08 | 1343835 0 Wedge
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Get with the program, comrades - War powers don't apply to a "kinetic military action"

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 20:03 | 1345247 Problem Is
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It all depends on what your definition of "is" is...

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:10 | 1343839 YHC-FTSE
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Libya. Wow. Considering the whole Libyan invasion (Sorry, liberation of oil) had been handed to the lapdogs at NATO almost from day 1, with the cheese eating surrender monkeys eager to shake off its image, and the young British PM Cameron posing so earnestly to be the humanitarian face of 2000lb bombs, what exactly has changed? We all know where the strings are being pulled. 

 

On an (un)related note, Goldman Sachs lost 98% of Libya's sovereign wealth fund. Even Donald Trump is crowing that he "screwed" Gadaffi, and by extension, the Libyan people. 

 

http://blogs.forbes.com/afontevecchia/2011/05/31/goldman-sachs-lost-98-of-libyas-1-3b-sovereign-wealth-fund-investment/

RT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_EKrjdPO9s

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:06 | 1343842 karzai_luver
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The same clowns that would cheer USA USA from the rooftops if an R was POTUS

will now call for impeachement with a D as POTUS.

 

A pox on both of them. At least one could expect enough honesty to admit they

are hypocritical fools. Even that low bar is too high now.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:17 | 1343864 FrankIvy
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Like Ron, but he's a dreamer.

Let's start with this:

"This debate was long overdue, as polls show Americans increasingly are frustrated by congressional inaction."

5 bucks says 50% of Americans can't tell you what or where "Congress" is, forget about defining "inaction" and being able to understand the adjective "congressional" as used in that sentence.

People are dumb.  People may be upset that they don't have a job.  Or that the Florida governor is making them take a drug test to get welfare money.  Or that their welfare food benefit doesn't let them buy crack.

But don't kid yourself - saying Americans are concerned about Congressional Inaction is like saying your dog is concerned about canopener nonusage.  Giving 'em waaaay too much credit.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:43 | 1343974 Problem Is
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Mission Accomplished
Public "education" and corporate whore media controlled by the elite ruling class are designed to make the Amerikan public stupid...

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:55 | 1344003 FrankIvy
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Problem is wrote: "Public "education" and corporate whore media controlled by the elite ruling class are designed to make the Amerikan public stupid..."

No design needed.  Just let the embedded, vested teaching union interests run the show, add in ever more distant parents, and there is virtually no way you could have a good public education system.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:46 | 1343983 Problem Is
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Damn NSA monitoring my internet activity double post...

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:19 | 1343878 DiamondDog
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I think you meen RuPaul. RuPaul is more of a Sarah Palin type and not at all like Ron Paul. Though I've often imagined ron Paul siging a duet with Elton John.

I read the RuPaul is long U.S. treasures.

 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:24 | 1343901 Atlantis Consigliore
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in a word:  IMPEACH the mo fo:...

 

I did not weiny winkly twitter, or do a

hopey changey on the US Dollar or the US

Economy......

C'mon  Kucinich,  the Dennis the Menace

 

of Cleveland, bankrupt the Cleveland;

and Impeach the Duffus.

Let him go play golf

 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:32 | 1343922 ArrestBobRubin
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Well if Bennie "Nets" Netanyahu or Michelle hasn't held Mr. "Obama" (heehee) "accountable" (heehee) for something pretty awful, well just how did the poor chap wind up sportin' those wacky head scars? Seen them yet have you?

Depending on the pictures, they either look very bad, or jaw droppin' full-stop freaky. What the hell happened to this person? Well I for one am sure glad our Heroic press sussed it all out and that whole ugly Frankenstein chapter was fully disclosed and aired out before the election, right? What's that, our Heroes took a pass, and we were not even told?

Well... I'm sure glad whatever happened to him is covered in the medical records the Obama campaign released, ya? What's that you say?  His medical records, like his "Harvard Law School" (heehee) records and so many others were actually NOT released? Ever?

You know, it's a really good thing Mr. Obama has been so scrupulously honest in all of his other dealings and statements since coming onto the national stage, otherwise people might start to get the silly idea he's actually got something to hide.

Ya think??? Naaaah.

Hey honey.... what time is Idol on tonight, we can't miss that or Jersey Shore this week. They're gonna be f*ckin' good...

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:38 | 1343946 Problem Is
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Here, here! Bully! Good show... Fine display of moral and ethical character, Dr. Paul...

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:48 | 1343984 wombats
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Finally at least a few congressmen are showing some guts to speak out against these rediculous never-ending wars.  Didn't O promise to end the wars in his campaign?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 15:27 | 1343993 TheJudge2012
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The anti-war resolution is non binding. The House recently voted to give US presidents perpetual war powers, and Obama will turn his nose up at it until it grants even more powers:

http://www.infowars.com/obamas-promise-to-veto-worldwide-war-bill-rings-...

All the resolution did was give my rep the opportunity to brag that he voted for it, but he never mentioned voting for perpetual presidential war powers the week before.

So where's the rosy picture?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:47 | 1343994 nah
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the oil war has left oil more expensive than ever

 

the cost of war has left markets unstable

 

unemployment only supports the war machine

 

terrorism is only good for terrorists... freedom money and pussy for guys like me, screw the .gov and their spying on American minions... i dont want the .gov to know that i think there thieving stupid jackboots for the IRS and the banks

 

wars in asia only give china more reasons for us to appease them

 

OBL is dead

 

libya is africa

 

congress needs less lawyers fit to undermine the republic in the name of 'waging war'

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:48 | 1343998 Eireann go Brach
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From community organizer to CEO of the United States in 2 years...seriously what the fuck did anyone really expect...comaored to someone in the military who has to spend 20 years going through the ranks before they can command a ship..(imagine what they think of Obama calling him commander in chief?) ..so how can some half wit with no real world or business experience run the country. We get what we deserve!

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 16:01 | 1344281 jmc8888
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We shouldn't create a new bs standard. Otherwise we risk (and almost a certainty) get another idiot with experience, who won't accomplish shit.  The captain of the titanic had lots of experience too (and it worked against him....in our case keynes/austrians would be the 'experience' he gained that would be blinding them)

A person qualified to be president, knows the issues, knows & follows the constitution, and has the ideas in the correct spots to turn this country and world (turning it around would be reverse contagion for the world...a true american export) around.  They can listen and alter their opinion to be closer to optimal based on the facts, and aren't set in any unoptimal position because they owe something to someone.  When they figure out something better, they make their position even closer to being optimal, so on and so forth.

I don't care if they're just the legal age, or 90 years old, 0 years of experience at anything, or 50 years experience.  If they know how to do it, they know how to do it. (and really it isn't hard) 

We should expect NerObama to act like he does, because he didn't run on answering the true questions of the economic collapse or what we would face (he ran on anti-war and said the most likely things that passed the idiots economic litmus test on first blush).  In otherwords America voted 2008 based on 2004, not on what we'd face in 2009-2013.

He backtracked on everything else no doubt because of the ideologies of his high dollar backers.  We should expect him to suck, because like many on all sides, they believe economic bullshit like religion.  Keynesian, Austrian, and many other things, all bullshit. Obama's backers are keynesian useful idiots. I don't see anyone on the other side or tea that are measurably better, except for Ron Paul, and even then he's wrong about alot of stuff because he too worships a bullshit economic religion, Austrian.  The grass is greener? Both look brown to me. But at least he's right on a couple of things, and those are pretty major.  Fed, wars, bailouts, a few other samller ones.  People that cheer for an austrian might as well cheer for another keynesian.  Ron Paul is at his best when he DITCHES the austrian bullshit.  Because in the way it's set up, some stuff falls through the cracks and appears favorable from Austrian point of view, doesn't mean the austrian point of view, is about those things that fall through the cracks.

The best president we could have, may not of EVER run for ANY office. I'm not going to refuse to vote for the correct guy/girl because he/she didn't own a business, or didn't bluestar airlines one, or whatever. Experience in bizarro world is overrated, meanwhile everyone being screwed has experience in what's needed to correctly judge the status quo...the key is...do they have the tools to then make use of that experience?  We need to move forward, which means 2012 shouldn't be about 2008, it should be about 2013-2017, which is an evolved version and answer to the problems inherent in the 2009-2013 time period from a looking forward, non-linear perspective.  We have to stop looking at everything so linear, because we're at the end game of many long term processes, including of wealth extraction, and we need to start many long term processes, including those of wealth creation.

Experience is a worthless metric all alone. We don't need another one of those. 

Obviously I'm not advocating a Sarah Palin type empty vessel, but someone outside the structure, that diametrically opposite understands the issues and solutions.  (and they ARE already out there, just no candidate is picking them up and running with them, even though people are screaming for them and ready to rally around such a candidate)

At this point, people outside of congress/ceo-world to me, seems to have the best shot to turn us around.  Real world experience is overrated, considering corporations don't inhabit 'the real world'.  The real world experience one needs, is to feel the brunt of the banksters, and has cemented the desire to crush them. (and knows how to do it, AND what to REPLACE it with)

No one out there I've seen matches this, and until there is, and then some (since this is just a short post and incomplete...trying to touch some of the more basic points) we won't have any person worth voting for who can actually accomplish what we need to accomplish.

While not in a complete vacuum, and I'd ideally wish to choose between multiple people that hold the following viewpoint, the presidential candidate that promotes Glass-Steagall, a real tangible based recovery with real massive Manhattan Style projects which generate real wealth for a nation, will get my vote.  Sadly, I highly doubt 2012 will have anyone meeting such criteria, which means 2012 is already a farce and will take us nowhere.  Unless of course, we can fast track the debate and create such a space for a person like this to emerge and run with in time.

It's not about experience, it's about ideas. The correct candidate needs to have the ideas first, and then they either might or might not have real world experience. Whatever real world means in today's fucked up world.

Right now we have lots of people with little to lots of experience at having NO IDEAS, or ideas grounded in bullshit. The common ground is NO IDEAS...or NO REAL IDEAS.

We should all vote for someone that actually can deliver Glass-Steagall and related Manhattan style measures, no matter the letter next to their name, pass it along.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 14:51 | 1344018 docmac324
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The voice of the people are being heard (good), but it will be ignored (bad).  This is just a feel good acknowledgement from the man Dr. Paul.  I'd love to see him elected, but lets face it, they'd suicide him in short order. 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 15:08 | 1344075 AldoHux_IV
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Talking about violations to the constitution: allowing corporations to be treated as individual people.  This is the true root cause for how democracy has been slowly suffocated in this country and also why we suffer from crony capitalism which is another form of feudalism-- the kind of stuff the founding fathers were trying to prevent from happening here.

At any rate here are some observations:

  • Just saw Bruno in an interview/attempt at creating a sex tape with Ron Paul (mistaken for Rupaul)
  • Democrats not repulicans must be on the payroll of the oil companies that gave the go ahead for them to support the Libyan invasion
  • Any talk of constitutional rights being threatened or abused by current members of congress and the white house have to be seen as uber hypocrisy.
Mon, 06/06/2011 - 15:27 | 1344142 Hook Line and S...
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Politicians get so much spit around this neighborhood.

They are, truck loads more ballsy than most of the verbal masturbators lurking here (myself included). 

Which one here has got the COCK to get into a job where their life, their soul, their time is wasted on most of the citizenry. Yeah, you heard me... it is a bend over and show your crinkled ass if you do, and stick a candiru up your urethra if you don't proposition. At least he's doing something, albeit seemingly futile to most.

 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 15:26 | 1344148 Plata con Carne
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I wanted to personally thank Tyler for posting the banners for Ron Paul's moneybomb yesterday!  And also to those of you who donated - Thank You!  The total collected, at this point is $1,130,000+  There's still time if you're so inclined.  www.ronpaul2012.com

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 15:35 | 1344180 the grateful un...
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forget the farce of the War Powers Act, what about the No-Fly Zone, which is what they gave 007 instead of a license to kill, because its much better, you get to pretend you're performing some socially necessary function,and you have universal approval, (even if it is in the low teens).

but to repeat my campaign slogan from 2008 (disclosure: voted for Nader) watch out, because if you don't like Bush, the next guy will be worse. Repeat that to yourselves now, insert Obama for Bush, and we'll all be ready for 2012. Do you really want to get rid of him if the next guy is worse? Don't you sorta wish we had Bush back?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 15:36 | 1344186 Marley
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Politics as usual.  Hey Ron, how's that FED thing going?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 15:36 | 1344202 High Plains Drifter
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oh yeh , we are going to get to the bottom of this FED business when the republicans get control. yes sir, no problem.......ha ha ha ha

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 15:39 | 1344215 PulauHantu29
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Go on for goodness sake and give Sarkozy his Nobel Peacxe Prize so he would stop invading countries!

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 16:26 | 1344337 Stuck on Zero
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Monday, May 17, 2010

An Entourage Surpassing the Queen's...

by Dale McFeatters
President Obama showed up at the G-20 summit in London with everything but the proverbial kitchen sink-although he did bring the White House chef and the kitchen staff.

The heads of government in London for the G-20 summit are discussing serious and weighty issues, which in time will be duly reported on, but right now the British press is entranced by the sheer size of President Obama's traveling entourage. And no wonder.

Obama arrived with 500 staff in tow, including 200 Secret Service agents a team of six doctors, the White House chef and kitchen staff with the President's own food and water.

And, according to the Evening Standard, he also came with "35 vehicles in all, four speech writers and 12 teleprompters." For sure, our president is not going to be at a loss for words.

The press duly reported on Air Force One and all its bells and whistles but also on the presence of the presidential helicopter, Marine One, and a fleet of identical decoys to ferry him from Stansted airport to central London.

Among all those vehicles is the presidential limousine, which one local paper mistakenly called Cadillac One, but is universally referred to as the Beast. The limo, reinforced with ceramic and titanium armor, carries a tear gas cannon, night vision devices and its own oxygen and is resistant to chemical and radiation attack. It is, marveled one reporter, a sort of mobile panic room. The Guardian called it "the ultimate in heavily armored transport."

The president is entitled to all the security, communications and support he feels necessary to do his job but surely, when we're trying to project a more restrained, humble image to the world, the president's huge retinue could be scaled back to something less than the triumphal march from "Aida."

And you thought that we were in the depths of a deep recession/"dire crisis" that requires Americans of all walks of life to make sacrifices! Silly You!

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 16:31 | 1344367 DosZap
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 I am confident we will see Congress move toward ending our unconstitutional wars.

 

Oh, goody, now that we are TOTALLY bankrupt as a Nation................way to go boy's.

Would you go after the Police Action shit while your at it?.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 16:42 | 1344433 dbTX
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The Nobel prize committee must be pounding their chest's.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 17:18 | 1344603 legal eagle
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The pounding you hear is Weiner getting prepared for his next Tweet.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 17:20 | 1344629 markar
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If Ron Paul had real cajones he would ditch the Republican party and run as an idependent. In this climate he would fare much better than Perot, especially now that the country is sick of both parties.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 17:50 | 1344757 malalingua
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I am not familiar with the 'idependent' party.  Also.  That is DR. Ron Paul to you. 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 17:41 | 1344697 tony bonn
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it's about fucking time someone called the indonesian lying imperial war mongering asshole president to account....of course he was only acting on orders from the rockefeller den of thieves so he can claim he was only acting under orders.....

that libyan war is a disaster and the teleprompter-in-chief should be impeached, convicted, and incarcerated for high crimes and misdemeanors....george bush will defend him because "the constitution is nothing but a goddamned piece of paper...."

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 17:50 | 1344740 High Plains Drifter
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that guy named madsen is over there traveling right now with that black lady who used to be a congress person, cynthia mckinney and he said that we are being lied to, that all of the west is controlled by the libyan forces. what the hell is going on? 

http://rense.com/Madsen.html

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 18:06 | 1344822 Plata con Carne
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Servers and Bartenders rejoice as Ron Paul introduces a bill to end taxes on Tips!

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/raising_glass_to_ron_pnQMYegNe82iIc7oNyuVPK

 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 19:39 | 1345181 BernankeHasHemo...
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Ron Paul is the greatest American alive but sadly, the people of the United States are scum of the lowest order who do not deserve him. What they do deserve is a lying, Kenyan Muslim criminal who, if there was any justice in this world, would be in jail awaiting execution for treason. His buddies Bernanke and Geithner should swing from a gallows with him.

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