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Ron Paul Launches Presidential Campaign, Tells Truth To Whoopi's View
Well, it's official: Ron Paul has launched his 2012 presidential campaign. Per the National Journal: "Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, whose outspoken libertarian views and folksy style made him a cult hero during two previous presidential campaigns, will announce on Tuesday that he's going to try a third time. Sources close to Paul, who is in his 12th term in the House, said he will unveil an exploratory presidential committee, a key step in gearing up for a White House race. He will also unveil the campaign’s leadership team in Iowa, where the first votes of the presidential election will be cast in caucuses next year."
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Paul, 75, ran as the Libertarian Party candidate in 1988, finishing with less than one half a percent of the vote. After more than a decade as a Republican congressman, Paul gave it another shot in the 2008 presidential election, gaining attention for being the only Republican candidate calling for the end to the war in Iraq and for his “money bomb” fundraising strategy, which brought in millions of dollars from online donors in single-day pushes.
Paul took 10 percent of the vote in the Iowa caucuses and 8 percent in New Hampshire’s primary. He finished second, with 14 percent of the vote, in the Nevada caucuses, and eventually finished fourth in the Republican nominating process with 5.6 percent of the total vote. Paul’s campaign book, The Revolution: A Manifesto also reached No. 1 on The New York Times best-seller list in 2008.
Unfortunately, with the ridiculous publicity stunt that is the parallel campaign of Trump, whose only redeeming feature is that he knows more about bankruptcy and nuisance value than any other human being alive, a feature that will come in very handy to the US over the next 5 years, it would appear that Paul's campaign has the usual snowball's chance in a corrupt 7th circle of hell... Which is sad, because Paul, with all his faults, really continues to be the only sane alternative to completel meltdown of this once great country.
That said, we hope Paul has more appearances such as this on The View, where he did not pander to his female hosts, and told the truth about many contentuous issues including the military industrial complex, planned parenthood, and the US outlook.
One piece of advice for Ron: stay away from Bruno please.
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whiteboy here...I'd vote for Mckinney, I'd vote for Ron Paul. The government lied about 911. We know that. Ron Paul has frequently brought up the Gulf of Tonkin, US support for islamic radicals and Operation Northwoods in public. He has repeatedly said the US usually lies to the public to start wars. He thinks the heart of the beast is the monetary system...and that is what he spends most his political capital on. He knows these people shoot people in the fucking head and it is hard to attack the monetary system if you are being branded a "conspiracy theorist." He is trying his best to play the political game for better or worse...it brings shame upon yourself to call him racist. He is trying to end the racist drug wars and public schooling system.
He's no fool -at least he is a very frequent quest on Alex Jones. if you had a brain, that would tell you something. RP knows 911 was an inside job - if he were ever president, he would most definitely do something about it.
I will either vote for Paul or Trump . The Repubs have no other viable candidates who would actually be willing to attack the problems we face without concern for their political future. Repubs, move fast away from those who do not get it! What the Repubs need is a warrior, something that neither Romney or Pailin can ever be. They are locked onto the MSM issues, not the real problems of this country.
Trump is a Lib. Sounds just like the current dickhead did when he was running.
Trump would be so corrupt it would make your head spin. Give a property devloper immenent domain and the power to create tax loopholes and you are asking for trouble. You don't think certain contractors would be getting favorable treatment for special favors under a Trump administration? then you are going full retard.
Trump has no core principles. If elected he'd find out how much different it is from being CEO of your own company. He'd compromise left in the end. It's how he's gotten along in NY.
I actually have liked Newt although he's gone wobbley on a few things. He know's how the sausage is made and he has an excellent grasp of history including the foundations of the country. He also knows how to play hard ball. I want to punch the TV any time I see Republicans or the right wing of the spectrum talking about how it is important to be nice to Democrat lefties. They do not return the favor and being nice and compromising left for most the last century has gotten us where we are today.
I might go for some of the lesser knowns depending on what I might learn about them.
Trump is the assclown the etablishment puts up as the alternative to the other assclowns nominated by the two major parties. I guess the main purpose is to redirect votes from people who otherwise may vote for Ron Paul.
Paul doesn't do squat as a rep, and would be worse as prez.
Bachmann or bust.
well not so fast there mynhair. he does get a lot of pork barrel projects for his district. matter of fact he is one of the biggest spenders in congress. not bad for a guy who says he is a libertarian at heart.......
Where's your documentation? Oh, that's right -- truthers don't bother with little things like facts.
well i have posted such info many times. since you crybabies won't do your own research i shall do so again, uno mas tiempo. gads....
http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/07/ron-pauls-personal-pork-project...
this is just some of the crap he has voted for in his own district. who knows what is going on over there these days.
this guy says he is a constitutional type person. i remember someone asked him on the news why he does this. that is the time when he started doing the texas two step......
The article to which you linked correctly states that Ron Paul votes against appropriation bills which would deliver "pork" to his own district.
He. Votes. Against. Them.
idiot -or liar -take your pick. Earmarks are far difference from pork barrell or big spending -
Had the second (third I guess) go around began in 2007 I might be excited, now....eh.
There is no political solution to this train wreck, it is too far gone and frankly the sheeple don't deserve an escape.
Paul is helping to educate America. Bachman has yet to show that he understands monetary policy. He is not ready. If Trump does not come out against the Fed, I'm voting for Paul.
bachman is a zionist shabbos goy.......end of story. she is a complete right wing neocon Christian type zealot of the john hagee variety.........she has been to israel many times and bowed the knee and kissed the ring of every lukudnik in sight.......
This is 100% correct and I don't understand the junks they gave you. Bachmann is a Christianist wingnut furiously trying to rebrand her image for the upcoming campaign for president. Look for loads of sound bites with no substance -- that's the best way to get attention for book deals, jobs at fox, etc. She'll easily rake in $25 million over the next five years if she plays the 2012 election right.
the internet is the poor man's smithstonian. all you have to do is do your own research. too many just take someone else's word for it. i don't do that. israel is my enemy. therefore if bachman likes israel and since she thinks that her time on a kibbutz was cool, then she is not the one to lead this nation. too many have bowed the knee to these communist jews. i shall not, not now, or ever. my mind is not right, i know and for all of the feelings that i hurt around here, when i say such things, i beg forgiveness from the bottom of pea picken heart........
Paul is helping to educate America...
THAT is what Ron Paul has done. It really doesn't matter if he is elected or not. (It's too late to do anything to change our course now).
BUT the MILLIONs that have read his articles is the point.
After being on The View, I bet a whole new group will be hitting the Google search about him. Name another candidate that has written more articles stating what's wron g and what he stands for. Think over the names. NO articles by anyone else. They Don't want to publicize what they believe.
A few more here awake, A few more there awake and it adds up.
oh i see. he is educating us now. well isn't that nice of him......
Help us, Obi Ron Kenobi. You're our only hope.
Was a decent interview, dunno what all the crap was about.
He doesn't do a particularly good job articulating that he believes in the rule of law and that the authority to spend on whatever is not given to Congress under the Law.
Whipi was a good example of a libtard, first by trying to carry the water for the Black Man and then with the Planned Parenthood social wedge issue
"He doesn't do a particularly good job articulating that he believes in the rule of law and that the authority to spend on whatever is not given to Congress under the Law."
I tend to agree, however there is zero chance that the least common denomiator would have a clue in the event he were to elaborate. The message is distilled in order to make it intially palatable to the average public school educated, "election as a horse race" dolt.
This time around, I hope he leans more toward shock & awe.
he should just say let the states and towns figure out on their own if they want to pay for planned parenthood, etc... some might some wont... but federal dollars do not need to baby sit either party's pet interests
Be that as it may, It was neat to watch Ron convince her in the end and she ended up agreeing with him.
He actually got the real message across to the audience in the end.
"It's just us against the Corporations kids. "
Ronald Ernest Paul 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLx0BCjtxx8
He is too smart and honest to be the President of USA. Only really dumb or really corrupt qualify for that position, unfortunatelly.
agreed--you really have to have a knack for being gullible, somewhat smart, but ultimately dumb enough to play the role of puppet for 4-8 years.
www.forecastfortomorrow.com
The reason why Paul is a threat is because the Wall Street Repubs are scared to death of him! Kick Wall Street and the bankers out of the party. They are cannibals!!!
people flocked to paul last time because they thought he was a breath of fresh air. now, it won't be so easy. they know him a lot better now. they all saw him quit......
Quit? What makes you think he quit? Was it the multiple books he released? Was it the repeated appearences on Cable news since 2007? He's 75, yet is on the verge of making another presidential run. Ron Paul should get a better showing in 2012, not worse.
they all saw him quit.
Everyone but Obama "quit." So I guess Barry's your man.
i don't vote. it is my small way to protest a system that is broken and cannot be fixed. i think paul is just a stalking horse candidate , whose job it is to draw the disenchanted to him, like a moth to a open flame.
I won't vote either unless Ron Paul is on the ballot. Not sure why you think this will cause me to spontaneously combust.
Good call on the Bruno situation. Anyone who has not seen the film should check it out for the most obvious character assasination attempt by the elites in recent memory. What a disgraceful setup that was.
Show me another candidate with the brass to fight the Fed! Show me!
Well, you're right.... all the rest are in the "club" = status quo. Unfortunately, Ron is non-electable precisely because he is NOT in the club.
He's all talk. In his current post, he's not done a DAMN THING.
Except posture and bloviate.
He's GOP, through and through.
DOWN WITH THE 2 PARTY SYSTEM
the only way to fight them is with the sword and the gun.
The Repubs will be split in primary by Wall Street backers and Fed Attackers! Vote for the latter!
I hate both! But i do love Paul, and I will be doing whatever I can to make sure his name is on the ballot in 2012 with my checkmark next to it.
www.forecastfortomorrow.com
Ron Paul (The Medicinal) Prophet of D.C.
Or is that M.D.?
I'm kind of liking Ron in 2012 after being vehementlly against him in the past. we really do need some fresh ideas brought to the table, and Ron's got them.
www.forecastfortomorrow.com
ya um, i wasnt crazy about paul too much to mostly for US security reasons and how impractical it all 'adds up' as a solution to our nations problems... huge changes in money, end of the jobs for peace, and a smaller military with less sophisticated global logistics and timing...
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but after seeing what the neo-con-liberals want to do to the US... putting us square in asia in a war for oil that comes to about $120bbl... there is little to fear from Ron, these asians want to kill each other and sell the US oil... less Americans have to die and we were getting cheaper oil to boot
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really does the builderburgers think afghanistan is going to end up an educated motivated peaceful nation... or israel, russia, india, china, and turkey for that matter will be the masters of some vast asian empire able to purge the idea of murder from their lands
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oil was cheaper with sadam around... our government/military investment is a freedom sucking money looser
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RON PAUL 2012
Your message can be right, but if your delivery is wrong it won't be accepted. Ron Paul could have easily been President in 2008 if he had a reasonable sounding foreign policy. For example, if he had said "as President Bush said during his campaign in 2000, in principle we shouldn't be nation building, I understand this was an unusual situation, but I think we can agree we've been very successful at defunding AlQaeda and improving our security measures, it remains to be seen if the Iraq experiment will work out, we can pray for the best, but isn't this a good time to consider whether we can continue to afford this ad infinitum.."
Instead, he goes to the debates and says "if we listen to Bin Laden, he'll tell us why we pissed him off, then we can quit, and he won't attack us anymore". Nonsense.
Rand Paul has a better chance of being president. He's more diplomatic.
And Rand Paul knows how to dance a jig for corporate bankrollers . . .
Please elaborate...
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2010&cid=N00030...
For a U.S. Senate race -that is chickenshit. They can give rand all they want -it won't corrupt him. I think he will be better than his father,
For a U.S. Senate race -that is chickenshit. They can give rand all they want -it won't corrupt him. I think he will be better than his father,
I'm seeing this 'don't waste your vote' meme. My response: don't waste YOUR vote for another Wall Street/Federal Reserve candidate just because you think they can win. That is what cowards and sheeple would do.
I'm bewildered any Paul fan would make the claim that it's a "waste of a vote" to vote for Ron Paul. I'd rather "waste my vote" on Paul than waste my time voting for any other candidate (in the end, they all serve the same corporate masters.)
double post
Yes, let's make sure we elect a Republican Wall Street/Federal Reserve candidate rather the democrat one- it's serious business. After all, we don't want a homosexual dominated military protecting International Zionist Banking interests. Lloyd blankfein does God's work were on the domestic front, we need a chaste and pure military killing Muslim babies and raping Muslim women overseas.
Yes, let's make sure we elect a Republican Wall Street/Federal Reserve candidate rather the democrat one- it's serious business. After all, we don't want a homosexual dominated military protecting International Zionist Banking interests. Lloyd blankfein does God's work were on the domestic front, we need a chaste and pure military killing Muslim babies and raping Muslim women overseas.
The man's speaking style needs work, and he does have a couple of political blindspots.
That being said, he has demonstrated an unswerving determination to go after the central cogs in the machine. The Fed, and the MIC are the biggest internal threats we face.
His message of personal liberty, and responsibility don't sit well with either of the bought-and-paid for parties. I doubt we'll ever see him get elected. He's already received my vote and my cash once.
He will again.
I have a rule-of-thumb that anybody who runs for office, I will not vote for. While that may work for me personally, it probably will not work for a nation.
Well, That doesn't suprise me you grump! ( How are you by the way?)
Not bad at all, YC. Trying to get my stuff in order so I can get to Thailand for six months or so.
Best wishes! Beautiful country!
That it is. My wife is kind of bent out of shape over the fighting going on with Cambodia, so I may be baching it for awhile. My being a bachelor in Thailand does not worry her too much, as she considers me too old to a be a threat to anything except a bedpan.
I wish more ignorant assholes would exercise their right not to vote - not that I'm suggesting you are an ignorant asshole. Am I right about that?
I vote for Rand Paul if he runs for the FRD ( Fuck republicans and Democrats) ticket,which he of course won't do. The feathers in his hat are showing
Ron Paul is tired of war and so am I. Best wishes Ron Paul.
Ron Paul for Emperor Bitchez
God I hope I got that B thing right. First Bitchez post for me. GO RON PAUL!
If not cut me some slack
And Rand as well. He is the sleeper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh3MWCcLTi0&feature=player_embedded
Ron Paul is unelectable.
Ron Paul is weak on Terror.
Also, he's taking his marching orders from Al-Qaeda.
Junk away.
You are too sad and pathetic to junk away. Get back to your your old friend Jack (Daniels)
You are too sad and pathetic to junk away. Get back to your your old friend Jack (Daniels)
Right, Ron Paul isn't a REAL MAN like you, who wants to send other men off to fight and die in other countries for dubious reasons. You are a sad and pathetic chickenhawk.
And now for something completely different, a man with three buttocks.
Charlie Sheen/Sarah Palin WINNING!!!
I'd consider paying to see them have sex. That might really turn the tide on his current concert tour.
Got my vote again.
I can see whole industries pissing down there leg laughing right now and certificate of trade letters from Keynesian's own playbook on balanced trade measure if it happens. America will piss and moan as the medicine goes down but amazing will it be a humble doctor from the Senate school these politico animals. better blow of business cycle note you independent minded soul possess from the onslaught off hack, pundits and all stripes of watermelon heads to the invasion of the body snatchers from the so called thinkers. really if you follow the foot steps correctly you will find out when the senate was dismissed to local affairs from the imperium. if you have a bent of mind to follow the gas lines on the earth it will show the true intent to of the leviathon as we know it to be. imagine Obama to the current drones of usefull to cheerful watermelon heads THE SCOPE AND METHOD OF CATALLACTICS, that is, the determination of the mutual exchange ratios of the goods and services negotiated on markets, their origin in human action and their effects. Custer meet the economic last stand as we know to be certitude in this hour indeed we are in. Unreal, but I do not think the Citizens have the ability given the poisoned well over at least three generation. imagine those on the fence thinking for themselves on the letter born in blood. problem is the stonewall that will be erected will gladly wait whatever duration it takes to maintain the status quo. In a snowball chance in hell it happens they will do whatever it takes to nuetralize the true nature to heal this monetary insanity here and abroad IMO as a citizen. issue still is structual in nature and it will takes decades not years to clear this morass up and we all know that. Who ever gets the vote the hour is real we face and must support the office. Unreal
"whose outspoken libertarian views and folksy style made him a cult hero during two previous presidential campaigns"
WTF ? The guy ( Paul ) tells the truth and defends the constitution so he is a "folksy cult hero"?
Welcome to the matrix.
"don't try to bend the spoon.
Instead realize there is no spoon."
Wow. Even the Ginger-boy/Wiesendork site is acknowledging the legitimacy of Ron Paul.
http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-presidential-candidacy-2011-4
Although he seems like the most sane, it still is the least ugly beauty pageant unfortunately. We need a flush of the paid idiots in congress and white house before any real overhaul of government and what it will take to get us there unfortunately is for America to wake the fuck up... when o' when.
Ron Paul...runnning on the slogan.....Vote:None of the Above!
Ron Paul...running on the slogan..... "Good God, people! Have some self respect, grow a pair and let's take back our country."
I can see that on a lawn sign. Can't you?
Ron Paul you say? WOW, I might actually vote now. I was just gonna blow it off. RP seems to be the only politician that "Get's It." Sure hope the big banks don't grease-him before the elections? I was looking forward to blowing off this election. Damn! Now I have to pay attention. RP, if you see this, you have a warm meal and a cold beer waiting for you at my house. Thats an offer I make to very few people........
Ron Paul is the only "true" Republican who can lead our nation out of the mess we are in.
Can anyone at ZH point to any other politician in our nation's history who has done ALL of the following:
NEVER voted to raise taxes.
NEVER voted for an unbalanced budget.
NEVER voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
NEVER voted to raise congressional pay.
NEVER taken a government-paid junket.
NEVER voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
Voted AGAINST the Patriot Act.
Voted AGAINST regulating the Internet.
Voted AGAINST the Iraq war.
DOES NOT participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
Returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.
With a consistent, unwavering voting record and intelligently principled respect for the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution, and our Bill of Rights...
WHY WOULD YOU VOTE FOR ANYONE ELSE?
Excellent/Informative Post! I read somewhere that the Good Doctor also delivered babies for free for the poor in his community.
i just want to see him debate and wipe the floor with Obama
I'll bring the beer.
Ron Paul is truly one of the last great hopes. Unfortunately the RNC will rig the primaries, again, and block him in many states.
6:27: "I know. But the PRINCIPLE is what's important."
Every time I hear the good doctor speak I think, "He makes waaaaay too much sense." What is Whoopi's beef? I mean she's all about getting out of the war and he had an answer. People are so locked into the false left / right paradigm.
Viva la rEVOLution!
Blythe needs to make Whoopie a silver troll like Bob Moriarty!
http://silverdoctors.blogspot.com/2011/04/bob-moriarty-now-silver-troll....
Ron Paul cured my apathy.
Two of my favorite speeches:
http://thenewliberty.com/?p=182
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul110.html
We make different choices in different scenarios. Ron's brave against all odds (consistent, authentic, committed), would end military adventures, is a 12-term Republican (the next control-swing), and popular with young people. I visited FreedomFest in Vegas when he spoke, and he's a ROCK STAR for young folks. If they are ready for change, and oldsters are ready, Ron will certainly bring it.
MEXICAN STANDOFF! I'm game
So much pessimism in this thread God forbid Ron Paul wins brings our troops home and saves the dollar by returning to the Constitution of only Gold & Silver as legal tender Yeah go ahead, vote for Obama again Prepare for IMF "shock therapy", continue erosion of civil liberties, more national debt, more War and little to nothing remaining of a former great nation for your children to inherit. Junk away!!!!! This nation has turned ion a complete joke anyways voting for celebrities, TV personalities and wall street puppets to represent them. Remember this as u cast ur vote for Obama or Trump
if he ever tried to do the things he talks about, he would be a dead man. i hope you understand this. perhaps you do not understand the enemy and what he is capable of and the extent to which he will go to win. his words mean nothing to the owners. they suffer people like him, because it is in their best interest to do so. if it wasn't , you would never hear of a man named ron paul. this you can be sure of. what i say is not pessimistic per se. i just long ago realized the depth of deep capture our system of government has suffered and understand that without a total deconstruction and rebuild, nothing of importance will ever happen for the good people of this land.
You leave out one critical factor. You assume that "after the revolution" the good people will be in charge. It hardly ever works out that way.
BTW biringing the troops home is a recipe for world war.
Our currnet policy of troops everwhere is a result of the last world war. We got into that one by never sending the troops hoping that the Brits and French were strong enough to keep a lid on things. So if America is no longer keeping the lid on who do you suppose will fill the power vacuum? Who would you prefer wind up on top? Would a world war be OK to settle that issue?
Wow, that's the most articulate he's ever been. I think he handled the interview extremely well. Maybe all he can do now is help educate people on what some of the issues we are confronting, but I respect him immensely for that.
Capt. Titanic.
I was a big supporter of Dr. Ron Paul in 2007-8. Dr. Paul made 2 fatal errors. He didn't leave the door wide enough for his ardent 911 truth supporters and he didn't contest the obviously rigged Iowa primary election. For the former, he lost his base. For the latter, he lost the other base who quit jobs and moved to Iowa to help elect him.
Who ever gets elected as the next president will only be known as the last Captain of the U.S.S. Titanic.
sir, he will not touch 911 with a ten foot pole. he has made that crystal clear and then we are told, well let's cut him some slack and not worry about it, since it is just one issue. yeh one issue, that was used to get us into cataclysmic wars that never end, that have cost the lives of thousands of american troops and millions of innocent indigenous peoples in the lands that we illegally invaded , based upon lies perpetrated on us a result of what went on, during 911.
sir, he will not touch 911 with a ten foot pole.
Ron Paul has confronted 9/11 head on several times, perhaps most notably when he took Rudy Giuliani to task at the South Carolina debate in 2008. He said that 9/11 and other terrorist attacks are due to blowback from US intervention in foreign political and economic spheres. Basically he says that if one insists on kicking a hornets' nest one should expect to be stung. Pretty simple.
yeh i know. its all about blowback, whatever that means. therefore its those evil mooslims.......so let me ask you a simple question. do you think some arab guys with box cutters did all of this damage to the wtc tower complex? also do you think some tall skinny sick guy living in a cave in afghanistan orchestrated the most daring and complex and damaging terrorist attack on american soil in the history of this nation? ron paul's stupid blow back ideas insult the intelligence of any thinking person. and he knows it too.
Do you believe that Sitting Bull and his warriors defeated the 7th Cavalry at the Little Bighorn or is it more logical to assume that whoever was the evil vice-president in 1876 secretly planted thermite in Custer's saddle bags?
Well sure. Blowback. That desn't explain anything. Well maybe it does. The current difficulties are in part blowback for our defeat of the Barbary Pirates. They still resent it and want revenge.
The question is not - why don't they like us. The question is: is the policy correct?
There will always be blowback.
Of course the last time sentiments like Paul's were in the ascendencay we got a world war for our troubles. There will be a world policeman. You would prefer Russia or China to be that policeman? I know. I know. The UN.
There will be a world policeman. You would prefer Russia or China to be that policeman?
You say "policeman" but the context of your question suggests a tyrant or dictator. In other words a criminal. If you are convinced that some band of criminals are going to rob and beat you so it might as well be nice American criminals then I suppose that's what you'll get. Hell, the American, Russian and Chinese criminals will stand in line to rape asses that are as willing to be violated as you and yours.
Foreign policy is gussied up gang warfare.
You want a different world? You are going to need different people.
Of course gang warfare is undemocratic.You expected something different?
Your attitude is that America would find peace and save a lot of money if it retreated. Have you calculated the cost of a world war into that theory? That was the result the last time the forces of peace were in ascendency in America and much of the rest of the West.
Of course forgetting the old lessons is why we need to relearn them every 70 or 80 years. (it used to be 50 years when lifespans were shorter.
Of course gang warfare is undemocratic.You expected something different?
Democracy itself is an act of warfare. It is the justification that the many use to rob and kill the few.
Your attitude is that America would find peace and save a lot of money if it retreated.
I believe that 300 million individuals have a wide variety of desires and talents which can never be properly served when they are thought of as a single entity with a unified purpose. If some Muslims are actively trying to kill you I suggest that you put on a pot of coffee and sit up all night with a scatter gun. But that's none of my concern. Don't try to make it mine by sending me the bill.
Of course forgetting the old lessons is why we need to relearn them every 70 or 80 years.
I am an individual. I will only live seventy to eighty years. You must be some sort of supernatural being or your perspective is wholly out of whack with reality.
Yeah. I'm supernatural all right. I can read history.
You might want to start with the Peace movement of the 1930s and see how it evolved into the dust up of the 40s.
OK. Riddle me this: if power is not going to be divided up in part by voting is there a system you would prefer? If laws are not made by legislatures you would have who or what else in mind?
Democracy is the worst system for governming ever invented. If you exclude all the rest.
People used to know these things. Now all they have in their heads is Erehwon. Or Utopia if you prefer the older word.
Read you Goedel. All systems have defects. Which systems have the least? Which system delivers more? I tell you what - I live in the bottom 10% and am quite comfortable. Heat in the winter and occasional cooling in the summer. An ice maker in the kitchen. Hot and cold running water. Automobiles. Internet. Free long distance any where in the continental US. Tons of other stuff (medicines say). And you want me to believe I'm being ripped off. Maybe so. But I live well enough to suit me. And much better than any king in 1800.
Why do you attempt to perceive everything from an Olympian point of view? All coercive regulatory systems are defective because they are conceived and executed from a supposed position of oversight. But the rights of individuals must not be made subservient to the grand schemes of even the most intelligent and well meaning masters.
Stop thinking like you're an angel standing on God's shoulder. You are one individual amongst billions. These billions have not requested and do not require your input on how they can or should live their lives.
I live in the bottom 10% and am quite comfortable. Heat in the winter and occasional cooling in the summer. An ice maker in the kitchen. Hot and cold running water. Automobiles. Internet. Free long distance any where in the continental US. Tons of other stuff (medicines say). And you want me to believe I'm being ripped off.
Living in a world made better by technological advancements and having one's rights usurped are not mutually exclusive conditions. However, if you enjoying being controlled by the whims of powerful people you've never met please feel free to do so (irony intended). I will not stop you but please do not imagine that I will accede to similar deprivations.
Wow...
After reading the first 20 comments I had to go back and see what the article was about,just to see if I had forgotten.
None of them to do with the fucking article....
Ron Paul is missing one essential concept in his understanding of foreign policy. And it is a killer.
Power Vacuums.
Men must assert their individual sovereignty and stop giving sanction to those who would beat and rob them under the guise of wise governance. Only free men with straight backs can rightly fill any power vacuum which would be otherwise exploited by those who claim mastery over others.
Well sure. Where will you find enough of the "New Libertarian Man" to make your dream come true? After all there are not enough "New Socialist Men" to make that system work.
Man has always had the right to be free in that the individual properly has sole custody of his own person and possessions. In fact, that's the only right which legitimately exists and there's nothing new about it.
Your point is that if there were no power vacuums they would not need to be filled.
Duh? Much?
I prefer to live in reality and work towards utopia.
Asuming utopia is a prescription for disaster. The world is a shitty place and most folks are willing to do various levels of evil to maintain or advance hteir place in the world.
If you spend all your time trying to think up things that other people should do to make the world conform more closely to your desires then of course it will seem like a shitty place. If you take responsibility for your own life and forget about imposing Utopia on others you may find some contentment.
You must gain perspective by looking out through your own eyes instead of imagining how the world might be viewed from Olympus and demanding that others make it so.
Way ahead of you Crockett, my man. I already make my world conform to my desires. And I'm not unhappy with the results. International politics is a mugs game. Those who can play it well are thugs. Reality. You don't like it? Well the answer is to fix human nature. You up for it?
People are what they are. No amout of libertarian philosophy will change that. What do people really want? Liberty? Doubtful. The question on every man's tounge is a very old one "ubi est?" So I work for a little liberty at the margins. Ending the drug war is within reach. So I reach for that.
I used to have grand dreams for a country premised on Liberty. Now I'm willing to settle for movement at the margins. i.e. something that can actually be done.
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My ideal foreign policy establishment.
A State Department run by Warmongers who are willing to settle for peace. And a War Department run by Peacemakers who are the most vicious warriors on the planet. The Marines get it. "No better friend, no worse enemy."
Ron Paul is a Peacemonger. Most dangerous because they usually deliver the opposite of what they claim their aim is.
Peace through superior fire power and the willingness to use it.
To be loved is a good thing. For the rest fear should suffice.
Of course domestic policy is different and there Paul shines. What he is unable to do is to reconcile the two systems. He wants the world to be a logical place. It isn't. Proof? There are Frenchmen.
I used to have grand dreams for a country premised on Liberty.
That's the problem: grand dreams. Stop trying to organize the world from the top down because 1) no one has the power to do so and 2) No one has a right to do so considering that all seven billion humans on the planet have a right to self determination.
Instead of stubornly trying to make others confirm to your own "grand dreams for a country premised on Liberty" why not simply live your own life on your own terms and allow others to do the same?
291x20=total votes on ZH for Paul. Not likely until y'all make it rain.
One great thing about Ron Paul is he knows what he believes AND why he believes it. That mmakes his comments so much more insightful than the typical politician.
It also allows him to shape his message to appeal to the audience without watering down the message. He was able to answer questions in a way that appealed to the View panel, even while he was fundamentally disagreeing with them. But he didn't pretend to be something he was not. He shaped his message, but did not pander.
One last thought: Whoopi was a lot of fun as Guinan on Star Trek: TNG, but she really is a moron in real life.
Guinan's race was almost wiped out by the Borg but Whoopi says that despite everything else the collective provides one hell of a medical plan. Dental too!
Just a reminder: Whoopi Calls airport protestors terrorists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEYhGyLCZko
Whoopi calls ariport protestors terrorists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEYhGyLCZko
the legendary investor Jim Rogers, is no fool. (Thx to ZH+ others for introducing the likes of Marc Faber, Jim Rogers, Ron Paul, Jim Grant, etc. to the masses)
Interview from Nov 2007. Called the current US dollar free fall, global commodity (w/emphasis on food) inflation, the Federal Reserve idiocy ('print money until they run out of trees') and most of the other current economic events worldwide.
" If Ron Paul gets close to the Presidency, I would vote for him. No one else seems to have a clue as to what is going on in t he world"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=airxvVmGnqc
I see venemous anti-Fed bashing, cries of silver manipulation, bold claims of injustice from financial manipulators, talks of slaughter in paper trades. Yet you moap at the thought of voting for a guy who practiced what he preached his entire politcal career. Who wrote legislation ending the Federal Reserve. Who voted against every war. Is there a rebellion I'm unaware of? Where are the molotov cocktails? Cowards, all of you.
My image of a ZHer has changed. Go back to the main page, the trough has been refilled and there's a new story for you. Pathetic.
Paul should run on eliminating the top 10 things which make people poor :
1 -Federal reserve
2- Corporatism
3-High medical costs
4- Exporting of Jobs
5-Credit Card contract changes
6-Gov't overspending- cut the biggest budgets first & most
7-Taxation
8-social security /medicare
9-Student loans
10-Poor Education
Why can't we all just get along?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-trashes-obamas-ac...
ladies and gentlemen. watch this clip closely. you will see masonic signals all in it. trump is not our friend. trust me on this....
Ron Paul is probably the best monetarist politician.
Execept monetarism is the problem.
While Paul has many pro's, he has an equal as many cons.
End the fed, awesome.
Pay down (instead of eliminate through Glass-Steagall) fraudulent debt.
Aww, the banksters pied-piper.
Sorry can't get behind that. Austrian school is a fascist monetarist school of thought.
I can get behind a decent amount of things he stands for, but the whole drown gov't in the bath tub, no safety net, pay off the fraud, is still a monetarist school of thought, and not that of our founding fathers.
He's better than most under this paradigm
But under his paradigm he's not much better than the current ones enacting their paradigm. He'd leave people to rot, corporations to screw you over even more, pollute (no...not co2..i mean toxic shit), social security/medicare/unemployment...yeah right, etc.
His son is a fascist corporatist, and he can't see it?
Well here's to him never becoming president, but a few of the ideas he supports (that others champion as well) get done. We'd all be better off like that. Because in the end, paying off fraud and closing the safety net, will only enrich the same banksters that his viewpoint supposedly protects us from. Bullshit. He's just the Dennis Eckersly of the monetary banksters. Crash everything, cut everything, and pay off the fraud. Sorry I don't see that as any more moral as printing, and trying to cut some things, to pay off the fraud that Obama/Bush and the Keynesians are doing. Two sides to the same coin. If the game is rigged, play a different one. Ben Bernanke and Ron Paul represent the same sport. The sport of monetarism.
No more anti-american monetarism
We need the American (Hamiltonian) Credit System.
Glass-Steagall and tell Ron Paul HE CAN PAY off the FRAUD if he wants to.
But we'll see how he plays it out. He can always change, but I doubt it. Just watch what he says. If he isn't for full wipeout of the fraud, and I believe that's not something he will be able to hide from (at some point), that'll be the telling tale than he in effect is no better than NerObama....he just coming from a different bullshit doctrine of the same hallowed monetary cloth. Do us a favor Ron, stick to going after the federal reserve, and you WILL be doing something beneficial for the country. After that....well it gets murky, and we all know people can't be bothered to look into murky things.