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Ron Paul Releases Four-Part Statement On Budget Targets And Restoring Fiscal Discipline
Ron Paul, who over the weekend won the straw vote at the Republican Leadership Conference held in New Orleans, with 40% of the vote, has just released a list of 4 points that will frame his budget priorities if elected president. As Jesse Benton, Paul campaign chairman says “The American people want and deserve someone who will tell them the truth, tell them what needs to be done, and who has an untouchable record of consistency to back it up." Whether everyone will agree with the proposed framework is unclear. However, what is true is that Paul, of all politicians on either side of center, has been the most steadfast in his message over the years, and the fringe benefit, naturally, will be the gradual elimination of Paul's arch-nemesis: the Federal Reserve.
From Ron Paul:
A four-part statement on restoring fiscal discipline
Today, 2012 GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul issued a statement on what his budget priorities will be if elected. See statement below.
“As President, I will not be able to waive a magic wand and solve all of our problems overnight. I will have to work with Congress and build consensus from the American People.
“But, there are several things that I will do right away to strengthen the fight for Constitutional government.
“First, I will veto any spending bills that contribute to an unbalanced budget.
“During these tough times, the American people are tightening their belts and making sacrifices to make ends meet. So should government.
“Second, I will veto any spending bill that contains funding for Planned Parenthood, facilities that perform abortion and all government family planning schemes.
“Like millions of Americans, I believe that innocent life deserves protection and I am deeply offended by abortion. It is unconscionable to me that fellow Pro-Life Americans are forced to fund abortion through their tax dollars.
“As a Congressman, I’ve never voted for any budget that includes funding for Planned Parenthood. Instead, I’ve introduced the Taxpayers’ Freedom of Conscience Act to cut off all taxpayer funding of abortions, so-called “family planning” services and international abortionists.
“Third, I will direct my administration to cease any further implementation of ObamaCare.
“And fourth, I will on day one of my administration begin to repeal by Executive Order unconstitutional and burdensome regulations on American business. I will be the first President to shrink the size of the Federal Register. We must create a favorable regulatory environment for U.S. business. This cannot be stressed enough.”
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Anyone who would "waive" a magic wand is either crazy or needs a better editor. All the loosers (sic) in the world might not get it but literates should.
Ron Paul is a patriot.
Don't bother Ron, America isn't worth saving. The docile masses have shown their true colors in the face of a tyrannical government of liars, murderers and theives... they aren't willing to fight it, they are more than happy to acquiesce as long as they get their cheese burgers and dancing with stars...
... just let the cancerous US die, let the good hard working people of the far east have their time in the sun, they more than deserve it.
### cut funding for Planned Parenthood,
another idiotic message.. seems old PRICK lost it..
i dont know what's wrong w/ Americans males and abortions..?
i wonder is there any politican who has balls , so to speak, TO ASK ANY CANDIDATE WHO IS AGAINST ABORTIONS one and simple question ?
Sir, are you a women? are you personally going to have abortion? is there any child inside you? no no no ..
SO THEN WHAT A FUCK DO YOU DECIDE FOR WOMEN WHAT TO DO W/ HER BODY?
each time i read this abortion bullshit I recall George Cariln speech " Republicans care only about child before its born, after that FUCK it"
what a old jerk
alx
Which is fine, the problem is making others pay for it. I dont care if someone has an abortion, but quit reaching into my pocket for retroactive birth control.
But what about those who don't want to fund the FDA, Dept. of Education, Defense etc.? Why does a minor organization like PP feature in this press release-this is disturbing? What if I object to funds being used to sequence the human genome as this could lead to genetic engineering?
Unfortunately, he's pandering to people who like organized superstition (i.e. religion). More people's freedom and liberty (the central tenet of libertariasm-Rand was a atheist-as are 90% of all scientists) has been compromised by organized superstition than any other reason. Organized superstition is still the major impediment to human freedom-only disorganized superstituion (e.g. astrology) is useful and funny.
I'm still a RP supporter but his emphasis should be on the unholy bankster/corporate fasism and centralized power and how to defund this activity (i.e. eliminate the FED).
He's only against poor people having abortions
Golf clap.
All he has been saying is that the government should not be in the business of funding abortion. What's with abortion and subsidies from the government ? Let a franchise of private clinics deal with it.
Ummmm exactly. So why should the government fund it when women can make the choice on their own?
Logic fail.
That is silly logic. Simply because you are not a women does not mean you lose the right to speak on the subject. Either human beings have the right to life or they don't. If they don't then frankly we don't have much to debate because humans have no rights. If they do, then you have to ask is a fetus a human being. If a baby inside a mothers womb is in fact a human being, then by default, they have the right to life. You don't have to be a woman or a fetus to be able to make that arguement. The argument hinges on the question as to whether an unborn child is a human or not. I think it would be wise to err on defending the unborn child.
Even if we agreed that an unborn baby does not deserve the rights of humans, that still does not concede that the government has the right to steal through taxation or inflation and fund this behavior.
Where is that woman from the NH Man thread who talked about how much women love their children?
Women don't love their children; they love themselves and nothing else.
Women have never been asked to decide anything because they are biologically incapable of it. They rule from emotion and self-interest. There is no such thing as principle, there is only post-hoc rationalization to protect the ego.
Kudos. Inflammatory and insightful at the same time.
Women are the DEVIL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlWgF8dqneg
Hmm, that kinda reminds me of men.
it isn't your body. It is the fetus's body.
So STFU bitch.
So based on your argument, since only a woman can have an opinion on abortion, deos that includes the baby inside her if it happens to be female? I understand that a baby boy has no voice on the issue of whether his mother should kill him or not. I mean ,who cares, right? But a baby girl, well now that would be a crime!
If this guy had half-a-brain, he wouldn't put himself squarely onto partisan battle lines, and would instead use common sense phrasing to accomplish logical goals, such as:
But alas, Dr. Paul is too hobbled by his religion to see that sometimes the end justifies the means and there's more than one way to gain popular support than be a religious firebrand...
Idiot.
The country is going bankrupt and his solution is not to fund Planned Parenthood.
I'm sorry but some of these folks need their heads examined. (Planned Parenthood does great work on health and contraception).
thank you too.
i glad i'm not alone on this issue
alx
yeah, great work they do. killing all those kids. that sure is great work alright. awesome.
tell it to the military.
all those drones bombing family gatherings and weddings.
oh, wait, those are trrrrrrsts & other non-humans.
He is personally against abortion but his point is that there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the feds the right to legislate it. It is to be left to the states.
Planned Parenthood is a front for the eugenicists. Just ask Margaret Sanger.
You watch too much Faux News
I haven't owned a TV in 15 years.
And you're just an idiot. Any other stupid comments?
Ron Paul is a fucking moron and so is his fucking kid
thanks for your comment, I was showing my kiddo what a depraved electorate looked like. Good stuff.
Ok, Now what? Im intrigued
"Liberty" is that people MUST have babies they did not want.
"Liberty" is that such babies will be denied nutrition and healthcare and educational support (when their mothers have no jobs, no education, no money) so they can become independent self sufficient members of a free market democracy.
Other than that "Liberty" is no sex if you have no money! Ron Paul will work with congress and the American people to pass such a law, or do it by executive order.
Liberty is restoring Natural Law, fucking period.
Everything else is narcissistic fantasy, and will only Feed The Beast!
Enjoy the further expansion of The Empire of 'MeriKa, cause that's what we're all gonna get...
Excepting the preamble to the constitution I agree with you 100%. Excepting that.
The U.S. Constitution can not exist without Natural Law.
Since this is the www Internet, I realize you might be an islamic holy warrior, a luddite, or even a religious right-winger fantasizing about Christian Monarchy, but here's the facts to back up everything I've been saying:
http://www.freedomsite.net/93-549.htm
I could continue, but alas I'm afraid it's a waste of 0s and 1s...
What are you driving at?
He'll be President. You are free to apply his values to your life. I'm glad he's talking executive orders. I'll bet he's going to make full use of that.
can't wait
Liberty is about self possession, or, being RESPONSIBLE for one's self.
Having sex carries with it the chance of becoming pregnant.
I don't want my tax dollars to pay for abortions, and I'm pro-choice.
And before people start bitching about the 'rape victims' needing this, I'd like some numbers to back that up, ie % of PP abortions done are rape victims, as opposed to dumb ass kids getting pregnant 'cause they wanted a good time.
Agreed. If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion she souldn't - doesn't cost me my private property (paycheck). Also, if a woman wants to have an abortion, they should be able to have it. Not sure why either side has a right to take my property though. Do what you want, just leave me, and my property, the hell alone.
Sterilize them.
One by one, all of you
With Liberty comes responsibility:
Dont want a baby, dont f*ck!
At what point did it become MY responsibility to pay for the nutrition, healthcare and educational support of your dumb brats! Oh and BTW, We are not living in a DEMOCRACY!
You are responsible for your own fracking choices dumb ass, not me.
Bingo. I wasn’t to keen on the idea of raising my initial child that was out of wedlock, nor did I have the means to support her at the time. I sucked it up and I paid the piper myself, and continue to do so. I NEVER put a gun to my neighbor's head and told them they were responsible for my drunken dick poking.
My now wife didn't have an abortion then - cost to society zero.
We didn't suck off the welfare teat - cost to society zero.
I guess pulling up one's boot-straps is the responsibility of my neighbor though, at least that is what I gather from those who gasp at the idea that tax payers should not have to subsidize abortions, killing sprees of the military, and corporate welfare.
You ever wonder why you are so tired at the end of the workday? It because you are carrying aborted fetuses, military collateral damage, and helping to push Jamie Dimon's Maserati around. WEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
I agree, he's got nothing to lose. He'll never be elected, especially as he's probably put a middle finger up to almost one half of the electorate (most women, just in case you hadn't twigged).
I hope he defunds the EPA. I want to start burning my trash again.
In spite of what phony inellectuals tell you. There's no evidence that it causes problems for the unborn.
Trash burning issues are generally handled by local municipalities. Unless, of course, you like the see something - say something campaign and call the Fed's on your neighbor instead of the local fire department.
Perhaps I didn't understand your sarcasm, but Capital Hill really shouldn't be involved in this either way.
Clap clap clap.
Agree on all counts.
Count me as surprised that he included abortion funding as one of the central planks (I think it'll cause him to lose a lot of liberal voters, moreso that he would gain neo-cons), but I like it and very much agree nonetheless. I'm sure that's there to help garner votes towards winning a nomination, not because it's one of his central issues (otherwise - as mentioned - ending the Fed would be one of the top 4).
I like Ron Paul, but the last thing i want to hear about during the next presidential campaign is gay marriage and abortion.........
Abortion from a libertarian viewpoint:
Libertarianism is all about the individual. If you say a foetus is an individual (like ron paul), you have to protect it. Then you have the problem that woman is also an individual. It´s a dilemma. Ron Paul´s choice is to protect the foetus, because it cannot protect itself.
I personally think you have to look at the details: If the pregnancy derived from a sexual abuse, the woman should have the choice. If not, it´s her responsibility to be pregnant.
If the woman has money or not etc... Ummmm, money over all.
How many stranger's abortions have you paid for?
look at a genetic test and see how the foooeetus will impact the bottom line of Pharma and Insurance corps.
then sell derivatives on the fooeetus. If they drop below par, then you never get to be a vested human.
If I saw a mother beating her 3 day old infant I would intervene. It makes no difference to the decision if the child is 3 months gestational. Just because you are the mom does not give you the right to end the child's life.
Abortion is easier than that.
You can phrase it in the terms of ethics and a duty of care. If by reasonably foreseeable consequence of your actions, a fetus transpires, then you owe it a duty of care simply because it is now dependent upon you.
There are myriad examples of this principle all throughout tort and contract law.
You should be able to remove the fetus after it has attained viability, but you would be liable for its injuries resultant therefrom.
If someone takes their DOG to the pound because it crimps their lifestyle; shit, some people might advocate murder for that. But a fetus for the same reason? YOU GO GRRRL.
It is unethical to kill things for your own convenience. Expecting women to grasp or subscribe to ethics, rules subordinating what you want at any given time to principles, is foolish. That is what men are supposed to be around for. Rules, laws, principles, ethics all come from men.
In the case of rape or whatnot, there is no duty of care. You do not have to jump into a pool to save a drowning child for whom you owe no duty of care. You are not liable for failure to save or render assistance. You can sit with popcorn and watch them die and you aren't liable. Certainly, people would rightly shun you as a piece of trash, but you aren't liable. So would it be with nonforeseeable pregnancies as a result primarily of intervening criminal behavior.
Is a foetus an individual? Why do you say so? Even Christians have wrestled with the issue of when a soul enters the foetus and renders it human. If there were a fire and you had to choose between a four year old terminal cancer patient and a lab full of blastulae, which would you rescue?
Besides your point is nonsense because this "lab full of blastulae" is located in an uterus, that´s the scenario of abortion. So if there were a fire, a foetus would always share the fate of the pregnant woman. What you are implying is that a prohibition of abortion would kill a woman. Does not make any sense.
Never worked with lab cultures, did ya?
Check out Aquinas and Augustine on the ensoulment issue.
Nope it is really easy
Life trumps liberty
Liberty Trumps Pursuit of happiness
You pursuit of hapiiness can not infringe on my life or liberty. Your liberty cannot infringe on my Life.
So having sex, creating a life ends your ability to exercise liberty in the pursuit of your happiness by having unprotected sex until the child is born.
The Founders were not stupid.
is it the woman's SOLE responsibility for being pregnant? you allow that a woman who was sexually abused by a man has the right to body sovereignty and choice - is there any penalty at all for a man impregnating a woman? if you force women to give birth, who will you force to pay for raising the children of these impregnated women? is there ever a point where the man has any responsibility for the "individual foetus" you are so fierce about?
this subject is always such a huge logic fail.
Just another maggot.
Nothing like a man telling women what they should or shouldn't do. Maybe he'd be better off relocating to Afghanistan?
Exactly how is saying that the federal government shouldnt pay for something telling a woman what they can or cannot do, beyond telling them they cant do this on the public dime? You find it outrageous that society may not want to cover her cost after choices and decisions she made?
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Can you tell us exactly how much of a percentage cutting funding for Planned Parenthood will cut off the budget? Is it one percent? One thousandth of one percent? This is ludicrous that it is one fourth of his budget cutting agenda.
Where does it say that its one fourth of his budget cutting agenda? You made that up. Its one point out of a few things he can do under his own power, not a comprehensive solution or a fourtrh of his plan to reduce spending.
It is one fourth of his agenda. It is a miniscule spec of sand towards cutting the budget.
It is one fourth of his agenda. It is a miniscule spec of sand towards cutting the budget.
Hear, hear. It received no less than one fourth of the attention of his release, and in a campaign he would probably spent more than one fourth of his time on the divisive issue.
Yep, that's all we need, more issues to divert and divide the regular people. My respect for the guy has plummeted.
Which, if any, of the following do you believe?
1) Pro-lifers do not deserve liberty.
2) Pro-lifers would not benefit from liberty if they had it.
3) Ron Paul should not explain the benefits of liberty to pro-lifers.
CA, I'm just sad that Paul went OT on a statement purportedly devoted to fiscal affairs. It was just plain dumb. Hard to destroy the Death Star on your final run when you lose focus.
I have little respect for those who endeavor to play the armchair quarterback.
So that makes it valid because it is a SMALL imposition?
It does not matter is it is 0.00001% of the budget. If a man comes to rob you, is it not still robbery if he takes a dollar out of your pocket instead of taking everyhting in your bank account? If a man demands you pay for the gun he is going to use to kill his wife, are you less guilty because you did not actually pull the trigger but just gave him a gun knowing he was going to use it to kill his wife? How the hell me being forced at gunpoint to pay for a woman's abortion justifiable? How is my saying, not with my money, denying her the option to kill her child?
Another poor analogy. If your home is invade by three thieves, and Mr. Planned Parenthood grabs a penny off your table, do you waste your time and energy wrestling with him while Mr. FED makes off with your TVs and Mr. Pentagon cleans out your wife's jewelry?
apparently, as long as it was the wife's jewelry, no problem.
(thanks for the grin tho' even if it was wry)
So priorities are: Cut social programs, don't cut the military, de-regulate business, cut business tax, return to the healthcare status quo, stoke up the anti-abortion fight.......where are the noble pronouncements about the Fed, the Gold standard etccc? They're contained in the preamble to his statement: As President, I will not be able to waive a magic wand and solve all of our problems overnight. I will have to work with Congress
In other words: don't blame me if the big issues don't get tackled because I told you so and it's all their fault. Like the last president and the one before that and the one before that.
As president he can't make budgets, that's Congress's job. He can bring the troops home though, which is what he said he'd do.
It sounds like you want a dictator to run the country to push through his agenda with an iron fist. Yeah, no thanks. There's a reason power is split up in our government.
What if it's not all about the money? No doubt this particular issue is prominent in his mind because of his own moral objections.
But what if he is saying that (as foreign a concept it has become to us peasants), the Federal Government has no business imposing its completely one-sided decision on the citizenry. Nor has it any place institutionalizing forced funding by all taxpayers for one of the most divisive programs in the country?
It’s like if we were to start a taxpayer funded program to bail out the gambling debts of Goldman Sachs
… oh wait
…FUCK!
Read and carefully consider his comments...he's going to end tax payor subsidies for abortion - not outlaw it.
To the extent that an intelligent man can, he seems to be trying his hand at populism which, as a strategic move, makes sense. He knows he needs more than grassroots support to have a realistic chance as the primaries begin.
Most people could give a shit about the Fed. He knows this and is making a calculated move into the partisan camp by discussing "issues" that resonate with the sheeple rather than trying to teach them things they should already know but couldn't care less about.
Can we end tax payer subsidies for war, bankers, nuclear power .... anem anything you don't like. PP spends very little on abortion, and gets NONE of it from the FEDs. Another PHONY isuue, used to distract the SHEEPLE.
Actually, as I understand it, PP gets 1 or 2% funding from the Fed gov't. Could be wrong though. Furthermore, if you took the time to read RP's talking points from the last several years he's all about ending wars and all that stuff nobody likes.
I'm almost with you on this one. The Federal Government has 18 mandated responsibilities. There should be zero funding for anything other than those 18 things. War is one of the 18. Although I disagree with all current wars, the Federal Government is responsible for funding them or ending them. I would defund:
Health and Human Services
Dept. of Labor
Dept. of Justice
EPA
FDA
FBI
TSA
Homeland Security
Dept. of Agriculture
Dept. of Education
Dept. of Housing
I would refund Social Security contributions to anyone who contributed and end all further payments. I would defund Medicare and Medicaid. If the Sates choose to have similar programs, let them fund it fron their own tax base.
I would revoke the Federal Reserve's charter. If they want to continue to operate, they can do so in competition with the free market.
I would order Treasury to coin all gold an silver under US control and release it on demand as US currency.
I would return to the States all lands that have been confiscated by the Federal Government with the exception of military bases. I would cut the Army by 75%.
List too long...
most excellent
Agree with defunding and eliminating all of these. But I want to know what the 18 "mandated responsbilities" are. How did we get to 18?
It's clear to me from his statement that he's not going to end the Fed and he's breaking it to you now.
The rest of his "ideas" are the pure right wing-GOP party line to the letter.
Nothing more, nothing less
I don't think that these 4 points are meant to repudiate everything else he has ever said. He has one of the best track records for consistancy. These are just 4 talking points he is offering to establish common ground with some of the Republicans. He needs prepare for a run for office. Two strategies necessary are evident in this statement.
1. Say something to get people's attention (abortion). Get noticed even if negatively.
2. Reach out for cooperation wherever possible. In his case, without selling-out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPQs6ri7Dt0
The words sound nice. We know from other Presidential candidates that they can sound great and very passionate before the election. Then the mask comes off
Indeed. Now we know that Paul will spend as much time wrestling with Planned Parenthood than with the Bernanke and the Pentagon, on an issue that will only divide the regular people into warring camps, and is in any event theological (when does the soul enter the foetus) in nature. Just super.
He should name Rand as his VP and when he wins, he can resign and let Rand be President.
I like Ron Paul, but he never going to be elected, 0% chance. White house now full of communists, and 4-year term now automatically =
8 year, everyone running double term with no problems, regardless of economy performance.. Just talk and print..
communists? LOL! I take it you were unborn for the last 50 years.
go back to sleep.
Is this a fucking joke? Planned Parenthood is a budget "priority"?
One only need look at his son to see the truth.
Ron Paul = very dedicated, long term Judas Goat
Here's a better summary of his platform:
-Pass Ryan Plan
-Cut Planned Parenthood
-Repeal Obamacare and return to status quo
-Pass new tax cuts and de-regulate further like in the good ole days
Can we defund capital punishment too! I don't want my tax dollars going to kill people. And while we are at it can we defund the defense department too?
Defense Department has deprived fetuses the right to life when pregnant women were killed in drone attacks in Waziristan.
it is just "regrettable collateral damage" because "mistakes were made" when our military does it.
If you do it, it's aggravated murder. If some other national leader does it, it's a War Crime
depleted uranium has deprived the women of Fallujah and elsewhere of the right to have children, with the added "benefit" of helping to sterilise the homecoming military, who can also pass it on to their sexual partners.
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Outside the military justice system, there is no Federal funding for capital punishment. What are you talking about?
He has now lost all credibility with me with the Planned Parenthood/Abortion agenda. That does absolutely nothing to solve the budget problem. I had hoped he might be a viable candidate. I don't see any in any party now. We're fucked.
This press release is targeted at iowa social conservatives. You need to understand that there will be a very im portant straw poll in iowa in august.
Iowa social conservatives can't spell "wave"?
Probably they can. A lot of them do homeschooling...
Anyway, the campaign needs to improove the quality of press releases. You´re absolutely right on that.
Here is video this morning of Ron Paul being labeled "fringe" once again by NBC. Perhaps if they spent as much time on him instead of the puppet Romney/Palin show then his polls would get a bump.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XiIObjzt1w
Justin Raimondo's latest on Antiwar.com pretty much sums up the agenda of the real "fringe," such as NBC which has just "apologized for cutting the words 'under God' from the Pledge of Allegiance in its leadup to coverage to the U.S. Open at Congressional Country Club." Here's a quote :
The American Spring
Posted By Justin Raimondo On June 19, 2011
The lamestream media still thinks it gets to define what is the mainstream, and that’s why every account of the recent Republican Leadership Conference (RLC) “reported” that, yes, Ron Paul won the straw poll, but the real significance of the event was John Huntsman’s second place finish. Pointing to the youthfulness and passion of the Paulians, lamestream media outlets invariably also mention the organizational prowess of the Paul Machine in getting their people to these cattle calls. Yet few noted Huntsman’s organization also focused on the New Orleans gathering, which not only sent Huntsman’s wife and top campaign aides but also paid supporters of Obama’s ambassador to China to attend. Where did the money come from to undertake this expensive effort?
Well, we know where Ron got his money – from tens of thousands of small contributions coming in from all over the country in the famous Ron Paul “money bombs” that have wowed political professionals across the spectrum. But what about Huntsman’s cash? It came from “HPAC,” the political action committee Huntsman launched soon after resigning his ambassadorship: and where did that money come from? Well, since Huntsman has yet to actually declare, he doesn’t have to disclose that information, but what I want to know is did he pay for those RLC votes in dollars or yuan?
I’m only half-kidding about that, but the main point is that the lamestreamers – and their neocon bag men – are determined to rob the only consistent anti-interventionist in the race of his victories, no matter how many he chalks up. This is pretty much par for the course, but what’s really absurd about this dismissive attitude is the media’s unwillingness to recognize the enormous intellectual influence of Paul’s views – and especially his foreign policy views – have had on the GOP, and not just on the activist base, but the wider Republican electorate. Take a look at this recent Pew Poll, the results of which are summed up in their headline: “In Shift From Bush Era, More Conservatives Say ‘Come Home America.’” ...
Don't judge the man on a four-part statement but on what he is saying for the past 40 years. No doubt he will do anything in his power to end the FED and the wars.
I never saw so many liberal trolls on Zero Hedge before. Oh well, rant away and hurry back to the Daily Kos...
Reality has a well known liberal bias.
Like congress-critter Shiela Jackson Lee's reality about "Christian terrorists"?
yeh, you always know the uninformed, the 'depraved electorate' just spew out vile. They probably are coming from Thinkprogress too and Fox News.
sorry, "liberal" trolls and republican trolls, also.
I can't believe Ron Paul is getting so much hate on ZH. I "thought" this was a fairly educated community. He is not a religious zealot, you're an idiot. He is not just another politician, you're just another idiot. Keep your cocksuckers shut if you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Paul is in charge of his PR. Pushing forward the abortion issue (look at the number of words he used up on this topic) while there are other priorities on the table is his own doing. Dont blame people for seeing past Paul's shallow propaganda.
I don't even agree with Ron Paul on abortion, it is one of the very few disagreements we have. Prohibition doesn't erase demand... so making abortions illegal would only lead to the inevitable emergence of a black market for abortion.
That said, he doesn't have the power as president to make abortions illegal. However, he has the power to return the decision making for this issue to the states where it rightfully belongs according to the law of the land.
He is personally against it. He would probably even encourage the states to outlaw it... but it is not within his power to blanket its legality or lack thereof on the entire nation.
Yes, he committed the majority of lines in this release to abortion. Perhaps you've missed the last 30 years of his "shallow propaganda" where he targets the Federal Reserve, the debt, the economic fallacies guiding policies, or our bankrupting foreign policy.
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Hey idiot, where does he say make abortion illegal? He just doesn't want the government funding it!
Although I'll have to agree it's a small matter as of now.
??? He has tried to pass legislation that would state life begins at conception... therefore, abortion would be murder. I have the utmost respect for Dr. Paul, but this is simply an issue I disagree with him on. He just wants to overturn Roe v. Wade and return power to the states.
Keep your cocksuckers shut if you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
You should try following your own advice.
I do. I don't post nonsense on topics I know nothing about.
Debt ceiling to be raised Oh maybe a couple of times before this election even takes place. Part One: Moot point.
I'm sure Obama, Romney and all the others can make a nice four-part statement which all of you approve off by hiring a PR agency with their millions in campaign money. But is that what counts?
Wait what?!?!?! Well that seals it, Ron Paul is dead. The banksters have successfully replaced him with a body double. What the fuck Paul, you see abortion as this country's biggest problem all of a sudden? Totally fucking stupid, what happened to ending the Fed?
Good grief. Pathetic priorities (seriously, defunding Planned Parenthood takes precedence over ordering a full Justice Department investigation of every penny of Wall Street bailouts and Fed discount window policies?) and a FREAKING MISSPELLED WORD IN THE FIRST LINE OF THE QUOTE!
Gave the maximum amount to the 2008 campaign but it's rather obvious that RP is running this time to line the pockets of the idiotic family members he's stuffed his staff with (treasurer is his daughter, and this imbecile Benton is is granddaughter's husband) and he won't get a dime from me.
No mention of returning troops home in his top four, even though prior he said it would be his first order of business. And his four talking points are a redonkulous continuation of what we are already dealing with. Back to square one with no presidential hopefuls worth voting for.
Ron Paul & Lew Rockwell: End the Fed, End the Wars, End the Empire
By RonPaul.com on August 11, 2010
http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-08-11/ron-paul-lew-rockwell-end-the-fed-end-the-wars-end-the-empire/
We all know just where Paul stands. But how is he going to unite the American People in opposition to these behemoths when he's busy dividing them by raising the abortion issue via the Planned Parenthood attack? Goofy!
There is no candidate, last time or this time, who is more antiwar than Ron Paul. And that includes your pro-abortion candidates of every stripe.
Dr. Paul deserves a chance. He will continue to have my vote as the only other choice is 'Business as Usual'.
He's also the only candidate that HASN'T made the trip to Israel before declaring, and hasn't spoken at an AIPAC convention.
Ron Paul on Deception at the Fed (February 2011):
For the past three decades, the Federal Reserve has been given a dual mandate: keeping prices stable and maximizing employment. This policy relies not only on the fatal conceit of believing in the wisdom of supposed experts, but also on numerical chicanery.
Rather than understanding inflation in the classical sense as a monetary phenomenon – an increase in the money supply – it has been redefined as an increase in the Consumer Price Index (CPI). The CPI is calculated based on a weighted basket of goods which is constantly fluctuating, allowing for manipulation of the index to keep inflation expectations low.
Employment figures are much the same, relying on survey data, seasonal adjustments, and birth/death models, while the major focus remains on the unemployment rate. Of course, the unemployment rate can fall as discouraged workers drop out of the labor market altogether, leading to the phenomenon of a falling unemployment rate with no job growth.
In terms of keeping stable prices, the Fed has failed miserably. According to the government’s own CPI calculators, it takes $2.65 today to purchase what cost one dollar in 1980…
Loose fiscal policy has failed to create jobs also. Consider…a $700 billion TARP program, nearly $1 trillion in stimulus spending, a government takeover of General Motors, and hundreds of billions of dollars of guarantees to Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, HUD, FDIC, Etc. On top of those programs the Federal Reserve has provided over $4 trillion worth of assistance over the past few years through credit facilities, purchases of mortgage-backed securities, and its second round of quantitative easing,’
Yet … total nonfarm payroll employment is still 7,000,000 jobs lower than it was before this crisis began. In this same period of time, the total U.S. population has increased by 9,000,000….so we are really dealing with 11,000,000 fewer employed people…
Over $4 trillion in bailout facilities and outright debt monetization, combined with interest rates near zero for over two years, have not and will not contribute to increased employment. What is needed is liquidation of debt and malinvested resources. Pumping money into the same sectors that have just crashed merely prolongs the crisis… [J]obs are produced through real savings and investment and not through the creation of new money…”
What has Ron Paul done the whole time he has been in office and on Financial committies? Talk. Nothing got done. Didn't even protect the boarders in his own state. And now no mention of the Federal Reserve or reduction of Military Spending? My best guess is that from the Boyz who run the world, he is Plan C or D. Or put another way, in a Good Cop-Bad Cop scenario, he is the "good cop" but they are both working toward the same ends and it does not envision your well being. Vote either Republican, or Democrat and you will continue to lose. Vote Libertarian or your probably screwed, but you don't know it just yet... the following vid bothers me somewhat
http://www.myspace.com/bobokbh/blog/525688774
yep, that is about it. i am glad to see there are others starting to not just go along to get along with this ron paul bullshit.......he is not the answer and never was. the answer is in ourselves. it is a dirty job and we are the ones that have to do it. nobody else. if you love her, then you must take her or she will die. if you have children or grandchildren, then what legacy are you leaving them? what land are you leaving them? how can you sit there and watch this insanity go on, day in and day out and not realize, the game is over, this nation is dying. unless good men stand and do something, this will continue. the system is broken and cannot be fixed. the show is over now. the time for talking is done.
Sadly, I do agree with this.
Ron Paul would be a fine president, and I believe that he is a decent man. I also think he'd be a somewhat ineffective president- though no more so than the others, and maybe a little better than some.
I support him, and I'll cast a vote for him, but even if he wins in a landslide, I'll still be buying shells.
There are more junks on this thread than any other today, almost exclusively given to the anti-Paul posters.
That should tell any sane person what kind of zealots Paul supporters are and what kind of country you might have if he ever won the presidency. They wouldn't just use junks to quash the nae-sayers.
yes, we would use words and ideas to challenge the naysayers. Very scary.
The Democrats are going to talk policy? You got a major talker already on the job - a champion wordsmith – one of the smoothest talking, sleek, Harvard educated con-politicians on record.
If it’s daylight somewhere in America, the man is talking policy. There’s never been an American leader who has burned as much jet fuel to find listeners as this policy junkie. There is no single Democrat who has talked policy more than this guy.
As a matter of fact, I don’t know about you, but I’ve had his policy talk right up to here.
He’s talked us into more war than any man in history.
look at the way his son, rand paul is. the whole damn bunch are a bunch of screwballs. especially that part about blowback. he insults the intelligence of any thinking american with his stupid ideas on 911, another issue he will not near with a ten foot pole. so he won't talk about the wars, nor will he talk about 911. so what is his true purpose? and please paulistas. don't give me that bullshit about well, he cannot talk about these things because it would be dangerous to him politically. fuck it. either stand for something or fall for anything and frankly at this point , i am sick of the whole fucking bunch of these traitors..........fuck them all. i hope to see one day real soon, a lot of pricks dangling at the end of ropes. we should make the french revolution look like a walk in the park, with all of the traitors we have in this country.
Your are right! I was going to vote for Ron Paul but now you pointed out that some of his supporters may have junked statements on Zero Hedge, well, I guess I will have to vote for that black guy who was on the Federal Reserve board, I think he is for taxing me to abort babies of idiots who think abortion is a form of birth control. That will do the trick.
on Mon, 06/20/2011 - 13:30
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"i am very disappointed in this statement by Ron Paul. His statement on abortion will alienate 50% of the population. It was my understanding that his position on this was to leave the issue of abortion to the states and to women. Furthermore he says nothing about ending all the wars and bringing home the military. This is the number one thing that can be done about the budget. 85% of America wants the wars to stop. I can't help but wonder if his organization is compormised and whoever is running his campaign us trying to destroy him."
+ 10.......i AGREE
Ron Paul..... a front man ...???
See........He really cares....
What a sick joke.
That's DR. Ron Paul to you, BITCHEZ!!
He has been arguing against the wars we are in for as long as I can remember.
on Mon, 06/20/2011 - 13:34
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pppppplease
im gonna cry..
is he against napalm too? let mr paul talk to any
Vietnam veteran how did it feel TO BURN DOZENS OF PEOPLE IN ONE SCOOP? let mr paul ask those people what was the 'scent' over there in couple days?
is he against bombs too? let mr paul talk to USA military guys in Afganistan how does it feel to bomb some innocent people and have 15, 20 50 of them to die in one scoop? i wonder
what a hypocrite, not wonder he never achived anything, just blubbering endlessly on TV
alx
+ 10..........
Dog and Pony show...at best.
Wait... where did this come from exactly? Have a really hard time believing this came from Ron Paul. Its nothing I have ever heard him say and I haven't seen it posted anywhere else yet.
Is someone pulling our chain????
not a chess player i see
time to remember George Carlin
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Why, why, why, why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place, huh? Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked.
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http://comedy-quotes.com/george-carlin/abortion.html
http://www.justsomelyrics.com/1789807/George-Carlin-Abortion-Lyrics
i rest my case.. cant be better said
alx
Thanks for that. What a great voice he was.
Another liberal loser who can't do anything for themselves. When did Zero hedge get over run by people who love to suck off the American teat?
That is a stupid comment by Carlin and if you think he is right, then you are far too simple minded. He is equating what pro-lifers see as murder to welfare. Pro-lifers wouldn't support killing bums on the street or low income families, just like they don't support murdering babies.
+1
ahhh those "Pro-lifers" - enforced pregnancy for the poor, which further impoverishes them, children raised in poverty until they're old enough to enlist in the great amrkn killing machine, another form of "government teat". . .
I'd find the argument more compelling if there was a suggestion of holding the sperm-donor responsible for the upkeep of said child - thereby absolving the "government" of having to pay - ever try to work that one into your argument?
and when he defeats it, a year later it will be replaced by the People's Reserve Bank.. controlled by the same private banks as before!!! Rebranding for the next century!!
Does America need a political course correction? You bet it does.
According to Economic Collapse Blog 48 percent of Americans believe that "another Great Depression" is likely within the next 12 months
How bad is it? Here’re a few hints from an ECB list in its latest economybuster:
#2 The unofficial misery index, which is calculated by combining unemployment and inflation, is now at a 28 year high.
#3 Sadly, if unemployment and inflation were calculated the same way that they were back in the 1970s, the misery index would actually be much, much higher. According to John Williams of Shadow Government Statistics, the current "real" rate of inflation is approximately 11.2% instead of the 3.6% figure that the U.S. government wants us to believe.
#11 According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the share of national income being taken home by American workers is at a post-war low and is rapidly declining.
#14 The U.S. banking system could plunge into disaster at any moment. The FDIC is backing up 7 trillion dollars in deposits with an insurance fund that barely has anything in it.
#19 The American people are extremely pessimistic about the economy right now. According to one recent poll, 56 percent of Americans have lost sleep due to the economy and about three-quarters of Americans believe that the nation is on the wrong track.
http://lewrockwell.com/rep2/misery-index-28-year-high.html
My now wife didn't have an abortion - cost to society zero.
We didn't suck off the welfare teat - cost to society zero.
I guess pulling up one's boot-straps is the responsibility of my neighbor though.
How terribly noble of you AND how terribly condescending. However, those with a relatively good life, rarely count their blessings.
Your post was rather like the multi-millionaire who writes a book and does countless seminars telling all and sundry how easy it is to become a millionaire. They never write the book or do the seminars before becoming one. Funny thing, that?
Fortunately for those individuals who require government assistance in order walk their path and who favor thinning the human herd through euthanasia and abortion, there is a political party which has made those issues paramount: The Democrat Party. There are plenty of candidates including some liars wearing a GOP hat who’ll give you your welfare, FunkyOldGeezer, so you go for it.
For those like myself who oppose using the money that I have earned to pay for those enterprises, I have a champion – the Congressman from Texas.
Isn’t that what makes a horse race? Or is racing also hard on you folks, Funky?
BTW, if your candidates need a string of harsh invectives heaped upon them, I’m available.