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Run-Rated Fukushima Radiation Release On Par With, And In Some Cases Greater Than, Chernobyl

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Even as the spin continues by both the media and nuclear energy advocates that the dangers from Fukushima are overblown, calculations done behind the scenes indicate that Fukushima and Chernobyl are actually very comparable in terms of radioactive particulate release, and in some cases, such as Cesium 137, Fukushima is already runrating as a worse catastrophe than Chernobyl. From Reuters: "The release of two types of radioactive
particles in the first 3-4 days of Japan's nuclear crisis is estimated
to have reached 20-50 percent of the amounts from Chernobyl in 10 days,

an Austrian expert said on Wednesday. Based on measurements made at monitoring
stations in Japan and the United States, Wotawa said the iodine released
from Fukushima in the first three-four days was about 20 percent of
that released from Chernobyl during a ten-day period. For Caesium-137, the figure could amount to some 50 percent." In other words, run rating the release of Cesium for a 10 day period, leaked radioactive Cesium is now about 120-150% of what it was during the full blow reactor explosion experiencing during Chernobyl. But yes, aside from the facts, watering the reactor that are certainly melting down (if haven't done so already) should surely have great benefits.

More from Reuters:

The calculations published by Austria's Central Institute for Meteorology and Geodynamics may add to growing concern in Japan and elsewhere over the contamination of food products such as milk and vegetables in areas near the Japanese reactor site.

The Austrian institute's Dr Gerhard Wotawa stressed the two isotopes from Fukushima he had sought to estimate -- iodine-131 and caesium-137 -- normally make up only one tenth of total radiation.

Based on measurements made at monitoring stations in Japan and the United States, Wotawa said the iodine released from Fukushima in the first three-four days was about 20 percent of that released from Chernobyl during a ten-day period.

For Caesium-137, the figure could amount to some 50 percent.

The International Atomic Energy Agency said on Wednesday Japanese authorities had told the Vienna-based agency that radiation dose rates at the plant were decreasing, although the overall situation remained serious.

One U.N. study has estimated Chernobyl, in Ukraine, may over time cause 4,000 to 9,000 extra deaths from cancer.

And there are big differences in the handling of the crises.

"At Chernobyl, the population was not generally aware that the accident had happened," said Malcolm Crick, Secretary of the U.N. Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation.

"People in the nearby town of Pripyat were watching the fire from just a kilometre or so away. They were evacuated a day or so later," he said, adding that children kept drinking milk despite risks of contamination.

"In Japan, there was a precautionary evacuation early on," he said, adding "it's too early to make a real assessment of the overall impact."

Japanese authorities also distributed units of stable iodine which can help protect against radioactive iodine.

Unfortunately following today's news that radiation was once again surging to record highs, any temporary lull factored into models should be propmtly discarded. It also begs the question: how soon until the first indications of radiation poisoning start appearing. Somehow we are confident we will not find out until years from now when all the truth surrounding this incident is finally declassified.

 

 

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Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:16 | 1091238 quasimodo
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Rudolph with your nose(s) so bright...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:32 | 1091344 DoChenRollingBearing
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10 more days and I join most of you back up in the in the N. hemisphere.

Hey, yo, Japan!  See if you can fix things up in the next week or so.  I would appreciate it!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:22 | 1091655 TuesdayBen
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which way does the toidy water spin down there?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:31 | 1091699 DoChenRollingBearing
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I´ll try to remember to watch when I flush my next dump.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:40 | 1091741 Thomas
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"concern in Japan and elsewhere over the contamination of food products such as milk and vegetables in areas near the Japanese reactor site."

You mean, like, Asia?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 19:34 | 1092756 Landrew
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Sorry about cutting in here at the top. I again want to thank you all of getting my video out there. I thought you might like to see part of your efforts have resulted in an article being written in Argentina!

http://www.cukmi.com/como-hacer-un-detector-casero-de-radiactividad-con-bananas-y-una-camara-de-fotos/

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:03 | 1091537 TruthInSunshine
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Only an hour until U.S. markets close. Maybe they'll do another 4:15 pm or 5:30 p.m. bad news reality dump, just to, you know, keep people up to date (and to give TEPCO enough time to propagandize that another fix is imminent before market open tomorrow).

In the meantime, a Japanese newspaper, the Yomiuri Shinbun, reports:

Yomiuri Shinbun 1:21AM JST 3/24/2011

Asked about the damage to the Reactors at Fukushima I Plant, the chairman said, "the fuel rods in the Reactor No.1 are assumed to have melted to a significant degree. Compared to the Reactors No.2 and 3, the situation in the Reactor No.1 is the most severe." The temperature and the pressure of the reactor core continue to rise abnormally, and the situation is getting very dangerous. He disclosed "We are considering releasing the valve to let the steam out of the Reactor Pressure Vessel in order to prevent the destruction."

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:49 | 1091743 ZerOhead
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I heard he just sold his mansion in Tokyo. Sale closes tomorrow.

Looks like a lot of people are leaving... something about Fubarshima Springs becoming the official water supplier to the city.

Austria...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/austria-moves-embassy-tokyo-osaka-over-nuclear-concerns-20110315-062604-948.html

Bulgaria...

http://sofiaecho.com/2011/03/22/1063494_bulgaria-moves-embassy-from-tokyo-to-fukuoka

Germany...

http://www.thedaily-blitz.com/home/germany-moves-embassy-from-tokyo-to-osaka-1040315/

Oh crap... everyone is moving.

Finland... Switzerland... Norway... Nepal... Bangladesh...

 

Going to be a whole lotta people looking real silly when this entire radiation cloud dealio blows over just like TPTB claim... right?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:57 | 1091837 Herman Strandsc...
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Any Emperor worth his emperorworthiness would find London fit for a Queen. Just sayin.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:15 | 1093074 jeff montanye
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regarding tokyo real estate:  at the top in 1989 just the land of the imperial palace grounds was worth more than the entire state of california, or so it was said.  certainly in the twenty two years since, prices have come down.  i'm thinking in a couple of years we may actually see a bottom there since markets can appropriately discount the thirty year half life of cesium 137.  

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:01 | 1091541 jus_lite_reading
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Did Chernobyl have a F*CKING NEUTRON BEAM SHOOTING OUT RADIOACTIVE PARTICLES?!

http://fiatsfire.blogspot.com/2011/03/healthy-smoke-healthy-water-egypti...

TEPCO even said so!!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:35 | 1091719 ColonelCooper
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Yes.  It would be the one that Tyler told us about five hours ago.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:20 | 1092907 MSimon
Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:50 | 1091805 ZerOhead
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Neutron beams emitting from plants.

Neutron beans emerging from plants.

Welcome to the new Japanese Prefecture of Fubarshima.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:31 | 1092053 Commander Cody
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This could (and probably does) mean that fuel in the reactor and/or the spent fuel pool has gone critical (self-sustaining chain reaction - not good).

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:34 | 1092070 Cursive
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This is like soveriegn currency, right? Adjusted for constsnt dollars, the chernobyl radioactive elements are, like, 4 times greater than the Fukushima radioactive elements.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:39 | 1092073 Cursive
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iphone dup

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 19:53 | 1092825 trav7777
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Yes.  Chernobyl was an ongoing fission reaction combined with a fire.

People who stood and looked at that reactor from 1km away received a lethal dose.  I hear it was quite pretty.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 20:08 | 1093114 Gunther
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Reporting is strange here; to compare the emissions absolute numbers or flow rates would make sense. For example: In the Chernobyl accident x kg of radioactive iodine were released. In Fukushima for now y kg were released.

Alternatively, an average stream of x kg/hour was released in Chernobyl and in Fukushima y kg/hour is released.

edit:

compare reporting to this one from Jesses Cafe Americain:

http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2011/03/fukushima-radioactive-f...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:16 | 1091241 alien-IQ
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Glowing green shoots. Rally on...nothing to see here.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:30 | 1091321 Dr. Richard Head
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Looks like a new correlation to trade under; radiation up - dow up.  Trade away and Buy that fucking dip.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:16 | 1091253 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Where's Math Man? Wonder what he thinks?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:20 | 1091265 asdasmos
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Indeed, Math Man can you please help with this one?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:29 | 1091323 long juan silver
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You're beyond help.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:53 | 1091809 Dr. Acula
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Stop worrying. Planet Earth is already full of Caesium-137.

It costs like $5 to dig that shit out of the ground.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:16 | 1091948 Bicycle Repairman
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Surely Trav7777 can straighten us all out?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:45 | 1091398 Temporis
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You notice how him and Harry Wangfukbag never post here any more...

It must suck to be continuously wrong.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:32 | 1092068 Reptil
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Dunno, I don't suck, usually. ;-)

Then again, perhaps when someone pays enough?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:18 | 1091255 Caviar Emptor
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This is a bullish wall of worry: the higher the radioactive particle level, the higher the stock market. 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:30 | 1091329 DoChenRollingBearing
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Run, Forrest, run!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:34 | 1091348 Carl Spackler-t...
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But you can't eat radiation?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:37 | 1091381 hamurobby
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Sure ya can, it just sprinkles down on your vegetables.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:52 | 1091814 ZerOhead
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Cesium Seasoning?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 19:36 | 1092773 andybev01
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Cesium Salad?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:25 | 1092915 ZerOhead
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+1

The one that got away! :)

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:37 | 1091380 What does it al...
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It's definitely bull.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:21 | 1091258 bob_dabolina
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This is going to worse for another reason seldom mentioned.

The Russians had some balls and got that situation under control/cleaned up very quickly.

The Japanese are bunch of pussies that seemingly have no idea what's going on. It's like watching a bunch of chicken shit retarted people trying to fix this situation. How many Russians did you see crying on worldwide T.V?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:23 | 1091290 MachoMan
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Like a Japanese gameshow perhaps?  Maybe it would help them if they all wore diapers while trying to fix the situation.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:28 | 1091307 bob_dabolina
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I don't care if they need tampons, diapers, whatever....just do your job and get that situation under control, you're destroying the Earth assholes.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:39 | 1091393 long juan silver
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After they destroy the earth's assholes they're on to the earth's intestinal functions.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:48 | 1091781 avonaltendorf
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wonderful, chuckles followed by giggles

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:42 | 1091413 Broder_Tuck
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The Soviet system was in slow economic meltdown for decades before Chernobyl. I think that it had some effect when finally the leadership understood the severity of the situation and put all the avaliable resources and competence in the nation in to action. They brought in THOUSANDS of miners from the other end of the continent just to build the freaking underground tunnel. That tells you something about the scale of the Chernobyl clean up.

 

I can't escape the eerie feeling that the implications of that organizational and institutional failure of this somehow made it easer for them to rely on common sense and ad hoc solutions. On a individual basis people was use to a dysfunctional system and could maybe snap out of coma and into fast-thinking mode. And once it happened they could custom build machines, dig tunnels etc . After all, there was no manual on how to do it.

 

Compare that to the Just-in-time society in Japan. THAT is scary. If their failed leadership was remowed the brave people in Japan could start cleaning up this disaster. If only the Japanese military was put i charge, maybe we could see something substatial being done istead of this rediculous damage-controll. It's time to let the grown ups handle this before it gets any worse. At least in Chernobyl they where digging tunnels...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:45 | 1091756 flattrader
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And they did it largely in secret.

Not in front of a press corp with a 24/7 news cycle.

It's much easier to order people to their death when you don't have cameras pointed at you and them.

No sarcasm.  Not kidding.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:24 | 1091657 equity_momo
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As insensitive as your comments are , you have a very good point. The Russians went "balls to the wall" asap on Chernobyl whereas the Japs are more concerned about "saving face" and cover ups.

"Public/media relations" and "political correctness" are two of the social pillars that have aided in our socio-economic collapse.

The Japanese economy is fucked. The unforeseen (for the dumb-dumb) consequences of this are horrendous , mostly for Japan.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:33 | 1091684 bob_dabolina
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lol of course my comments are insensitive. This isn't a dating site and I hate political correctness. I think it's been a large factor in the downfall of America.

example:

When it was normal for kids to make fun of fat kids guess what happened? We had less fat kids. All of a sudden it is frowned upon and look what happened...we have people who need to get fork lifted out of their house and we refer to the situation as an epidemic. Well, up until America got sensitive it was never an issue ever, in the history of humanity.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:38 | 1091737 ColonelCooper
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Maybe next time instead of "balls to the wall", you should try "nuts deep".  That would indicate the sensitivity of lovemaking between two consenting adults who care deeply for each other.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:49 | 1091791 bob_dabolina
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Or we can try...

coitus to the wall

I feel comfortable in that there is a large cross section of America that will never appreciate my bluntness.

fuck em

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:13 | 1091943 ColonelCooper
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You are quite possibly the funniest son of a bitch on this website.

Of course I am simple, uneducated, cynical and generally a prick, so I don't know if I just paid you a compliment or not.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:27 | 1092030 bob_dabolina
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Thank you, I appreciate it :)

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:03 | 1091855 equity_momo
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Thanks for the preaching to the choir.  I dont need a lesson in how we have spawned a nation of fat stupid cunts thankyou.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:29 | 1091687 disabledvet
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you forgot to add "bad speller."  reminds me of someone...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:19 | 1091259 oklaboy
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why is my sushi glowing?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:46 | 1091425 Jim in MN
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Shrooms?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:18 | 1091260 yabyum
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The news just keeps getting worse. All the main stream media can do now is lie, lie to stop the panic.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:19 | 1091270 the not so migh...
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and they will till no one is watching any longer

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:20 | 1091264 Cognitive Dissonance
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Where's Trav777? Wonder what he thinks?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:25 | 1091676 equity_momo
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He jumped the shark on this one. Should stick to peak oil and thermodynamics , he's on point with that.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:03 | 1092798 Element
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I have no problem with people saying to stick to facts and numbers and physics on technical issues. All he said was stop hyperventing and stick to that. And in that he was right.

Others were right to see beyond that.

I saw the head of TE apologizing this morning, for sticking to the science and facts (yes, he said that), and still getting it so wrong. He also claimed full responsibility for the mess, not that that helped anything.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:07 | 1092875 trav7777
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see beyond to WHAT?

NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOU HAS a SINGLE fucking FACT to state!

NONE.

Yet you have penciled in an apocalypse.

See beyond the facts to what, the inevitability of the end of the fucking world?  I am just tired of this incessant shit.

People here want TSHTF, they want apocalypse, they want the Road, they want canned ham and buried silver.  And the website is FEEDING THEM precisely what they want to hear.

The people who are conversant in the issues at hand, including several who were CAREER workers at NPPs, have repeatedly called bullshit on the apocalysm around here.  But the idiocy of most of the posters is even harder than a BWR containment vessel; it is impervious to EVERYTHING.  People are here to be lemmings, to be fed, to get whipped into a frenzy.

They might as well watch fucking Fox or MSNBC.  I have never in my life seen what is BASELESS conjecture transmogrified into "accepted fact" at a faster rate than on this very site in the past 2 weeks.  And you call the Bernank an alchemist?  He has NOTHING on this forum.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:00 | 1093002 WaterWings
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Your fortitude astounds me. You didn't even say "moonbat" once. And I believe you have used some form of the word "apocalypse" more than all other posters combined. Am I wrong? At whom, exactly, are you shouting?

BASELESS conjecture? Some examples, please.

I recall your ranting about all the twisty-turns of financial conspiracy and how hard it is to keep track - you're saying there's no conspiracy?  

Or you can spare us from the posts that add nothing but attacking the strawman.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:46 | 1093167 Element
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NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOU HAS a SINGLE fucking FACT to state!

 

Trav I agree with your points of view in most things, on this I don't.

Want a fact?

Yesterday the water supply of a city of 30 million people passed twice the allowable limit of radiation for consumption by young children - no water based anything for them.

Sorry, trav, if you can't see the problem with that, then this time it's you who is unable to see past technical doctrine to how serious that is.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:00 | 1092853 trav7777
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I posted what I thought.

The article is bullshit.

There is no way that fukushima is even vaguely comparable at this point to Chernobyl.

And, to be frank, I am tired of the echo chamber and hysteria on this site so I don't read as much.

I mean, wtf are all of you going to say tomorrow?  THE APOCALYPSE IS HERE.  And the next day and the next day, same as yesterday and the day before that.

ZH is feeding you what you want to read.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:30 | 1093117 avonaltendorf
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Trav, it would be helpful and appreciated if you describe what you think the situation is at Fukushima NPP and how you imagine it will play out. Thanks.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:48 | 1093170 Fearless Rick
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Hey, Trav, your finger is on fire. Try sticking it up your containment vessel, otherwise known as your ass. Dumbfuck.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:19 | 1091266 plocequ1
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This is so depressing. I think i will go home and watch Elizabeth Taylor movies on my Netflix streaming .

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/NFLX

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:19 | 1091272 truont
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This FukUShima debacle will eclipse Chernobyl for all time...watch...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:41 | 1091403 long juan silver
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Neat avatar. Think of it alone?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:48 | 1091438 umop episdn
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The Fukushima event is far from over...and we know a lot more about what happened a quarter century ago in Chernobyl. Even tho there are a lot more nucleotides involved, I still hope you are wrong.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:19 | 1091273 Dane Bramage
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Spoonful by spoonful...  worse and worser. 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:21 | 1091274 RobotTrader
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Do or Die

Green Shoots or Green Diarrhea from radiation poisoning?

 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:22 | 1091286 Threeggg
Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:28 | 1091309 lieutenantjohnchard
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at first the poster known as robottrader would change his mind every month or so. then he began to change his mind weekly, then daily, then post to post. next, i think he'll be changing his mind mid-post, then word to word, then typed letter to typed letter. before long his mind will be changing as fast as the big bobber whatchamacallit computer in "war games."

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:50 | 1091479 MsCreant
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Well that is what a high frequency trading robot does, change their mind from mili-second to mili-second. We are mere humans.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:16 | 1091621 lieutenantjohnchard
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never thought of it that way before. excellent point.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:39 | 1091740 Battleaxe
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I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:36 | 1091363 flustercuck
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why do u even bother?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:29 | 1091682 equity_momo
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You became irrelevant about a year ago. 6 months ago you became an annoyance. Now youre just a chart spamming retard. Please fuck off.

Thanks

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:33 | 1091709 disabledvet
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no, no..."thank you."

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:29 | 1092034 TruthInSunshine
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Pretty soon, if all keeps going as is, assuming Robo didn't sell at the MANY lows along the way, he could be back to break even from 11 years ago, soon..

...oh, wait, he can't, because literally a thousand companies that were formerly on the exchanges either were delisted and are penny stocks or a no longer in existence.

Ahh, to be a fraud & ponzi scheme that are equity markets.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:50 | 1093176 Fearless Rick
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That chart has crash written all over it.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:20 | 1091275 A Man without Q...
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Surely the higher amount of these isotopes is understandable given the number of spent fuel rods involved.  Chernobyl was an explosion and fire in the reactor core, so it was principally uranium and graphite...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:02 | 1091556 jus_lite_reading
Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:21 | 1091276 bingaling
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It seems the truth hurts. Therefore it is ignored until it can't be . The whole world is a giant coverup at this point . From markets to meltdowns

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:37 | 1091375 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ $1430

I see no evidence to the contrary.

And two days after sending my email to our Japanese bearing supplier (SW Japan, so ´safe´), I have not heard back...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:02 | 1092225 SilverBaron
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You forgot oilslicks

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:20 | 1091278 fuu
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So are we at a level 7 yet on the International Nuclear Accident scale?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:42 | 1091752 ColonelCooper
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Actually, after getting the extension cord plugged in and getting some lights turned on so they could look things over, they have downgraded it to a four.  In addition, they have raised the top level to 10.  All signs are showing improvement.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:21 | 1091280 SDRII
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Leon Cooperman says a self sustaining recovery is here with the caveat that he got hurt in 2007/8. Bill Miller nods. Pathetic

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:31 | 1091318 Don Birnam
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"20 kHz" Laszlo Birinyi came out today and reiterated his call for the resumed bull: S&P rise of 60% over the next two to three years, as we are only "halfway" through this current bull market.

Laszlo recommends a two-tiered strategy:

"BTFR and BTFD."

[ "Bury The F-cking Reactor and Buy The Fukushima Dip." ]

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:21 | 1091283 Misean
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"how soon until the first indications of radiation poisoning start appearing."

Yes, although you'd think at least one case of death or serious illness due to radiation exposure would be confirmed given the FUD. In fact, vast tracks of zombified corpses pillaging the irradiated vegetable fields...something.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:58 | 1091531 TaxSlave
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Shortly after this saga began, there was a report of 'two workers taken suddenly ill'.  Then nothing.

 

I assume everyone knows what that COULD mean.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:32 | 1091707 HelluvaEngineer
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Don't have the link but I think a UK newspaper ran an article indicating 5 workers dead, 15 injured (about to die)

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:21 | 1091284 NotAllowed
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I watched a documentary on Chernobyl effects last week.  No One ever deserves that.  Very sad to me, and I'm usually heartless.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:31 | 1091338 chairsatan
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Name of documentary?  Pretty stunning what has happened... amazing photo essay (tough):

http://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essay/chernobyl

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:03 | 1091545 TaxSlave
Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:04 | 1091564 Crabshack
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I think this is what they are referring to.  If the link doesn't work then goog "the true battle for chrenobyl uncensored"

 

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5384001427276447319#

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:11 | 1091588 Clycntct
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My guess.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5384001427276447319#

Sorry for the dup, It took me that long to find it and post it.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:20 | 1091990 Rudolf Havenstein
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Tough indeed.

Thanks for the link.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:22 | 1092001 CosmoJoe
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Deeply disturbing :(

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:24 | 1091292 Sweet Chicken
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FUCK

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:23 | 1091293 williambanzai7
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You will notice that every official briefing is sprinkled (no pun intended) with the words "it is our sincere hope that the public will remain calm."

Today for example these words were used when the announcement about the safety of Tokyo water was made.

Now if you are a Japanese housewife who has to fill tonight's rice cooker (like they all do every night) and there is no bottled water in the 7 Eleven downstairs, what are you going to do? Remain absolutely calm? For how many days?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:46 | 1091426 Cognitive Dissonance
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I think we are witnessing a massive experiment in mind control. What's it gonna take to panic the masses?

So far I believe the average Japanese person falls into one of a few categories. Up North they are still in shock over the earthquake/tsunami and are just too numb to really care at the moment. Around Tokyo they pretty much understand they're all fucked if it really gets bad because there is just no way to evacuate Tokyo. And further South it's not their problem.

Do you think they would televise the panic and riots if they were happening at this moment? Does anyone think the Japanese government wouldn't shut down communications if it got bad? How about a simple question? Has anyone actually seen where the 100,000 who were evacuated from around Fukushima are staying? I haven't and I have the English NHK running everyday in the background. I'm sure they are somehwere, but where are the news stories of how they are doing?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:50 | 1091463 Jim in MN
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I only heard a statement that shelters were full and turning people away, and then the video of the TEPCO exec bowing and saying sorry to some lady on a mat in a gymnasium.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:59 | 1091527 That Peak Oil Guy
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Yeah, how much longer until Japan has to declare martial law and start conscripting people to fix this?  Chernobyl had hundreds of thousands of people working the problem, all taking their doses of radiation.

TPOG

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:34 | 1091716 equity_momo
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CD , i think your work is erudite and thought provoking , but you know better than most - in times of duress , the average sheep will stick closer to the herd or deny reality. When the wolf is on the horizon , ther herd knows someone is dinner , but feel helpless to do anything about it , so they huddle together.

 In Europe in WW2 , Jews knew what was happening around them.  1 by 1 , family by family , neighborhood by neighborhood , they disappeared on trains set for the big chimney in the sky , and largely did nothing about it. Some hid , most carried on regardless and pretended it wasnt going to happen to them. But deep down inside , they knew.

 

Fear , greed. Love , hate. They all pale into insignificance confronted with denial.

Denial is what keeps the human species alive.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:45 | 1091771 Cognitive Dissonance
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Sometimes I like to post questions to get minds, including my own, working a little harder than normal. So it appears at times that I'm asking really stupid questions. The thing is that sometimes stupid questions hide some really profound truths. The key is to enable a person to take that cognitive leap.

How often do we reject what is told to us yet we readily accept the same thing if it has occurred to us "naturally". We must ask the question before we will truly embody the answer.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:06 | 1091876 equity_momo
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Of course. Please continue , you do this blog a great service.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:15 | 1092902 trav7777
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you're a fool who is being led.

The irony is I don't yet know if CD really realizes what he is doing is the same as what he accuses others of.  He poses "thought experiments" in which the conclusion is directed.  It's all a gigantic logical fallacy dressed up as an experiment.  The outcome is no more uncertain than a WWF wrestling match.

But that notwithstanding, you all lap it up...it may as well be Beck or any of the other heads.

You're here for something and he gives it to you, and it isn't knowledge or wisdom; it's group affirmation.

That is the TRUE meaning of Fight Club...there was no meaning.  It was all a bunch of disaffected outcasts who fell together under a DIFFERENT manner of conformism.  They all dressed the same, they all talked the same, they all acted the same, and they joined the same damned fool crusade wrapped up in the same bullshit as all the rest of them.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:10 | 1093043 WaterWings
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Wow. This is painful, Trav. Have you even seen Fight Club? Read the book? All dressed the same, talked the same...they must have all gone to the same job...

LOL

No meaning? Get to the hospital so they can pump your stomach of all the stupid pills you took today.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 03:30 | 1094142 equity_momo
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I suggest a nice holiday trav. I think you're reaching a tipping point. You'll give yourself an anneurysm at this rate.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:41 | 1091754 disabledvet
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from where I sit...and i am sitting down for this, too...it appears to be more along the lines of "messin' with their head."  isn't this the most confusing aspect?  i mean "not to cause undue panic...but RUNNNNNNNNN!"

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:59 | 1092221 Fistfull of wor...
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CD, excellent question, and always appreciated.

Short of a 300ft. fire breathing lizard/dinosaur toppling skycrapers in downtown Tokyo, nobody seems to sense any urgency.  Although given the amount of rads coming out of the site, this scenario may actually be more realistic than the absurd reports we've been receiving from the PTB & MSM.

In all seriousness though, I'm completely shocked that parents of infants aren't in full panic mode (I know I would be).  It's also concerning that we haven't seen mass migration south from the areas surrounding the disaster site and that there is no mention of some type of quarantine zone, which has to exist somewhere.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:20 | 1092906 trav7777
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your conclusion begs the question.

You simply have to realize that you have committed a classic logical fallacy in what you say.

in your second paragraph, you unwittingly give away why you commit the fallacy.  It's in the parentheses.

Why are you so arrogant as to believe your reaction is the justified one?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:55 | 1093004 ColonelCooper
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Trav,

I understand where you're frustrations come from on some of this, but why slag on that post?  The poster was simply offering that he/she would be scared shitless if he/she had a baby and no "clean" water.  He/she also was just expressing a lack of understanding a people who aren't panicking.

I didn't pick up one iota of rightousness, just fear and empathy.

Lighten up, Dude.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:57 | 1093009 ColonelCooper
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Okay, I reread it and figured it out.  The poster was agreeing with CD, who hacked you off over the last week, so you just decided to sac punch the poster. 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 19:47 | 1092807 andybev01
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The de-evolution will not be televised.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:10 | 1092889 trav7777
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2nd sentence is the tell.

Why do you desire panic so much?

WTF is it with you people?  They aren't PANICKING ABOUT THE END OF THE WORLD, ERGO, its MIND CONTROL by "TPTB."

God, you are so transparent...any reaction other than panic is the obvious fault of sinister mind control forces.  Why?  because YOU are panicking because you are hysterical by nature.

What an ego...and I thought mine was big.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:23 | 1091294 Jim in MN
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Errare humanun est - sed perseverare diabolicum

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:31 | 1091332 long juan silver
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Yall talk funny up dar in MN

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:33 | 1091341 Lord Welligton
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And it may take a divinity to forgive the continuing error.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:23 | 1091295 melvynny
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Remember when Christie Whitman swore the air was safe around the WTC?  Turns out the government lied--who'd a guessed it?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:31 | 1091315 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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The government lied about more than just the air quality on 9/11...

... but we all know 9/11 was an inside job, right? I mean, seriously, if the free and critical thinkers here on zerohedge can't see that with the Overwhelming evidence available, then there is no hope...

... i still can't belive they've gotten away with something so blatant.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:33 | 1091351 X. Kurt OSis
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Bullshit.  I was in the WTC on 9/11 and I can tell you that if the CIA was involved with this, the planes would have crashed in the Hudson.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:49 | 1091447 lizzy36
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Excellent point.

One of the best comments of the day, seriously.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:21 | 1091642 DollarMenu
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Actually, a stupid comment.

Why is the CIA required to make it an 'inside job'?

Who really knows the entire circle of complicity?

Seriously.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:13 | 1093069 WaterWings
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He was in the towers, and I am Mickey Mouse.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:55 | 1094617 X. Kurt OSis
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You people are fucking amazing. This is a financial blog. Probably half the readers of this site are in Manhattan. I'm in the WTC every fucking day (headed there as I write this) and its been that way for almost 15 years. I'm going to guess a good portion of the readers of this site were there on 9/11.

Tell you what. I'll drop an e-mail address. You contact me and come on down here and I'll give you the tour. We can grab a sandwich, throw some rotten vegetables at the Fed, check out South Street Seaport... You know, make a day of it.

Who knows, we could all end up being best buddies.

jnd(dot)nnj(at)gmail(dot)com

I hope you come back and revisit this post.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:07 | 1095261 WaterWings
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That very well may be, and I'm sure most ZHers would call that one fine day. If we weren't dealing with genocidal mass murderers many more of us would be quite up to it!

If genuine, I hope the best for you as we all scramble for the lifeboats.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:26 | 1095354 X. Kurt OSis
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The offer stands. 

 

I'll take the orange life vest if you spot whoever's handing them out.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:36 | 1091362 Lord Welligton
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"9/11 was an inside job"

I personally prefer "coup d'état"

But I don't suppose the language will change at this stage.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:43 | 1091404 DoChenRollingBearing
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WRONG.  And I usually like your posts FMB, you have an attitude I like.

It is impossible to keep BIG SECRETS and BIG CONSPIRACIES.  If more than, say, three people know, the info gets out.

I used to work for one of the three letters.  There are NO BIG SEXY SECRETS out there.  No LGM in New Mexico either.

There is an elite, but they are not united.  For example the Bushes and Kennedys kind of cancel each other out.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:50 | 1091475 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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There have been plenty of people who worked at air traffic control, NORAD, etc that have come forward and spoken out about how things that happened contradict the 'official' story.

They have had their and their families lives threatened to keep them silent... that's the only story here. Why would they be threaten by the FED/CIA if the official story is the truth and not a complete and utter lie to try to deflect the fact that the government is willing to murders its own citizens on a large scale in plain view.

... and lets not even mention into the physics of 9/11 and how they contradict the official story.

I know where my mind is on this one. Plain and clear as day to me that 9/11 was an inside job.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:14 | 1091611 X. Kurt OSis
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Having gotten out of those buildings after the planes hit and then having stood on the corner of Broadway and Liberty when the first tower came down, I can tell you get a better conspiracy theory to hang your hat on.  Seriously.  There are better ones out there that are much more viable.  Don't get me wrong, our government is fucked up and capable of doing all sorts of things.  9/11 was not an inside job.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:23 | 1091659 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Sorry, but i don't see how being close to the events of day gives you amazing insight into the whole picture that it wasn't an inside job? Please explain.

There were millions of people close to the events of that day, NY is one of the most populated cities on earth... i'm sure those people and yourself wish 9/11 wasn't an inside job as it affected them personally... but looking at the events in retrospect, critically and thinking clearly it can be seen that the official story doesn't stand up to scrutiny on so many levels...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:28 | 1091680 X. Kurt OSis
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I could see precisely where the source of the problem in both buildings were.  I could hear each floor impact on the next when it came down.  Massive resistence on the way down as building collapsed.  Not consistent with theories on how this was a coordinated demolition.  That's my two bits.  Believe what you like.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:22 | 1092576 Cognitive Dissonance
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Ummmmmm Bullshit.

There was no pancaking of floors one onto the next. NIST disproved that "theory" even as they spun their own fairy tale. No building of that height would pancake down in 10 seconds. Even NIST calculated a pancake situation would have taken well north of 60 seconds if it were even possible. It was the reason they quickly discarded it as even a remote possibility.

You are speaking out of your ass and your claim of being there is most likely your effort to generate credibility. Epic failure on your part.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:41 | 1092618 X. Kurt OSis
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That makes you the asshole. I'm simply presenting what I saw and heard. I don't what you think. Ad hominum attacks are the attacks of desperate person in an "honest debate." I can mail you the shoes and the suit I was wearing that day, still covered in ash.

Fuck you asshole.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:22 | 1092913 trav7777
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EPIC fail on your part, as you are in no way technically competent to refute even a theory that unicorns did it.

So, you, what, think they SEQUENTIALLY demolished the floors?

The building pancaked as it fell, substantial amounts of mass existed above the failure zones.

You conspiracy junkies absolutely make me laugh...the funniest part is how freethinking you consider yourselves to be when in reality you are just another system of conformance and control.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:16 | 1093073 WaterWings
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Uh, don't have to understand that much technical material to wonder how it went down at the speed of gravity. Your posts all follow the same pattern.

Moonbats! Everyone in sight!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:41 | 1091742 DoChenRollingBearing
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FMB, big claims demand good evidence.

Links please! 

No whacko ones.

Thanks, I am always willing to look & learn.  But, until I see really solid stuff, 9/11 was an al-Qaeda conspiracy only.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:35 | 1092095 ZerOhead
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Just watch this video collage DoChen... and then research it fully and tell us where the lies are...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em_XyTeNA1g&feature=related

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:07 | 1093431 Confuchius
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On Sept 11 & 12 2001 after watching the fucked over videos of "planes flying into buildings" it was possible to find the web site of the creator & constructor of the WTC. In excruciating detail it was spelled out and shown in the drawings how the buildings were designed from the outset to withstand multiple strikes by 707 type aircraft fkying into them at full speed with full fuel. Absolutely nothing structurally necessary was damaged.

The massive core of the buildings (think "elevator area") was 4 to 6 inch thick Battleship Grade armor steel which could only be damaged by high explosives (think naval gun battles). Nothing on the perimeter of the structures was critical in any sense except cosmetic.

This web site "disappeared" (along with all the explosively fractured steelworks a few days later.) Except for a few pieces still sitting not too far away which still have the nano-thermate (mil spec) residue on them. (Google nano thermate).

You might also consider the demolition a few hours later of "Building 7" as well as the demolition of "Building six".

To jog your memory a bit check the PBS interview of Larry Silverstein who says out loud on PBS that he consulted with the NY Fire Chief and they decided to "pull it" (A Demolition Contractor's term for blowing it up) which takes weeks and weeks of work to set all the nano thermate strips and the other explosives required to fracture the critical frame members. (And then give the push button to the Fire Chief?)

There was, at the time, a web site belonging to the "Demolition Contractors Ass'n" which laid out in minute detail how to drop a hi rise building in its' own footprint. There were dozens and dozens of video examples. Watching the WTC circus, it was just another video added to the Contractor's Ass'n collection. All the characteristic give-aways to a demolition were right in front of you.

The Contractor's web site also disappeared that week, to be replaced with a nauseous blurb with no videos.

 

PS. One of the Arab pilots of the "hijacked" airliners flew me along the Med coast in MENA on I believe Royal Air Maroc a few years ago. Amazingly resilient of him, I would say.

Oh, another thing. On Sept. 11 there was a news story (Disappeared the same day) of one of the airliners landing at Cleveland for which the terminal was emptied and the airport closed while the plane taxiied over to a hangar and the "fbi" took all the passengers into one of the hangars. (Never to come out??)

The video for this appeared "live" and not as fucked with as the NY clips.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:57 | 1091515 X. Kurt OSis
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The intelligence apparatus was so fractured pre 9/11 that they couldn't coordinate a conference call.  The Bay of Pigs was the first major CIA project and they have been fucking everything up since then.

Read the books written by their own people.  There are more books on the "culture of failure" written by intelligence insiders than any other topic.  These fuckers thought we were going to lose the Cold War, they had been infiltrated over and over again and then they were shocked when the Soviets threw in the towel.  The CIA was more surprised by the fall of the Berlin Wall than the East Germans.

Two things emerge when you look at US leadership from at the "forest" level: arrogance and incompetence.

 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:06 | 1091571 TaxSlave
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That could be why the entire operation was fumbled so badly.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:11 | 1091595 Cognitive Dissonance
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Keep going. Don't stop now. There are plenty more false arguments and straw men left to roll out.

While I can certainly understand why people would not believe the so called alternative "conspiracy theories" what I don't understand is why people accept essentially at face value the most egregious of all the 9/11 conspiracy theories, the official government conspiracy theory.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:24 | 1091658 X. Kurt OSis
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Look, I lost friends that day.  So its hard to not be biased.  It's not that I believe the government is incapable of doing fucked up things.  I don't think they had the operational capability/security to do this.  And the most important piece of evidence: if our end objective was the wars that were started afterwards, why were we in such a state of disarray in terms of actually starting them.  The administration was completely flustered at the fact that we couldn't invade soon enough.  From a strategic point of view, millitary commanders typically want to start wars in the place and at the time of their choosing.  The timing of 9/11 was timed such that we couldn't simply jump into action.  The timing was horrible, we had no assets in place to start the invasions, all sorts of logistical issues, weather issues, etc., etc...

Did the government use 9/11 as convenient opportunity to carry out other objectives?  Yes (and that's fucked up enough).  Is there anything more to it?  I seriously doubt that. 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:31 | 1091696 TaxSlave
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We may never know the truth.  But what we do know is, the official explanation has no credibility.

 

WTC 7.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:43 | 1091761 davepowers
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and the president was reading to small kids and no one in the know pulled him away. and it sounded like Cheney was only worried about getting his own self safe and sound and into a set of dry pants. and when they did start a war it was in Afghanistan first, not Iraq where the oil was located.

this is not to say that some in some intelligence groups didn't have a warning and decided to look the other way. 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:50 | 1091788 RichardENixon
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"Condi and Colin, George here. Look, on this Iraq thing, we got 2 choices. We can either go ahead and invade now like Clinton was ready to do before he got caught blowin' a load on Monica, or we can fly some planes into the WTC and the Pentagon and maybe Congress, and blame it on Osama bin Laden. Yeah, we'll have to bring 'em down in a controlled demolition. Let me worry about how to link this up with Saddam. Okay then, we'll go with the planes. Hey, you know any good children's books, by the way?"

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:59 | 1091847 Cognitive Dissonance
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Bush was just as surprised as we were by the 9/11 attacks and ten times as clueless. The upside down "My Pet Goat" is the clue. Bush, just like Obama and Clinton, is a puppet.

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