Run-Rated Fukushima Radiation Release On Par With, And In Some Cases Greater Than, Chernobyl

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Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:23 | 1091293 williambanzai7
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You will notice that every official briefing is sprinkled (no pun intended) with the words "it is our sincere hope that the public will remain calm."

Today for example these words were used when the announcement about the safety of Tokyo water was made.

Now if you are a Japanese housewife who has to fill tonight's rice cooker (like they all do every night) and there is no bottled water in the 7 Eleven downstairs, what are you going to do? Remain absolutely calm? For how many days?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:46 | 1091426 Cognitive Dissonance
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I think we are witnessing a massive experiment in mind control. What's it gonna take to panic the masses?

So far I believe the average Japanese person falls into one of a few categories. Up North they are still in shock over the earthquake/tsunami and are just too numb to really care at the moment. Around Tokyo they pretty much understand they're all fucked if it really gets bad because there is just no way to evacuate Tokyo. And further South it's not their problem.

Do you think they would televise the panic and riots if they were happening at this moment? Does anyone think the Japanese government wouldn't shut down communications if it got bad? How about a simple question? Has anyone actually seen where the 100,000 who were evacuated from around Fukushima are staying? I haven't and I have the English NHK running everyday in the background. I'm sure they are somehwere, but where are the news stories of how they are doing?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:50 | 1091463 Jim in MN
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I only heard a statement that shelters were full and turning people away, and then the video of the TEPCO exec bowing and saying sorry to some lady on a mat in a gymnasium.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:59 | 1091527 That Peak Oil Guy
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Yeah, how much longer until Japan has to declare martial law and start conscripting people to fix this?  Chernobyl had hundreds of thousands of people working the problem, all taking their doses of radiation.


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:34 | 1091716 equity_momo
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CD , i think your work is erudite and thought provoking , but you know better than most - in times of duress , the average sheep will stick closer to the herd or deny reality. When the wolf is on the horizon , ther herd knows someone is dinner , but feel helpless to do anything about it , so they huddle together.

 In Europe in WW2 , Jews knew what was happening around them.  1 by 1 , family by family , neighborhood by neighborhood , they disappeared on trains set for the big chimney in the sky , and largely did nothing about it. Some hid , most carried on regardless and pretended it wasnt going to happen to them. But deep down inside , they knew.


Fear , greed. Love , hate. They all pale into insignificance confronted with denial.

Denial is what keeps the human species alive.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:45 | 1091771 Cognitive Dissonance
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Sometimes I like to post questions to get minds, including my own, working a little harder than normal. So it appears at times that I'm asking really stupid questions. The thing is that sometimes stupid questions hide some really profound truths. The key is to enable a person to take that cognitive leap.

How often do we reject what is told to us yet we readily accept the same thing if it has occurred to us "naturally". We must ask the question before we will truly embody the answer.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:06 | 1091876 equity_momo
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Of course. Please continue , you do this blog a great service.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:15 | 1092902 trav7777
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you're a fool who is being led.

The irony is I don't yet know if CD really realizes what he is doing is the same as what he accuses others of.  He poses "thought experiments" in which the conclusion is directed.  It's all a gigantic logical fallacy dressed up as an experiment.  The outcome is no more uncertain than a WWF wrestling match.

But that notwithstanding, you all lap it may as well be Beck or any of the other heads.

You're here for something and he gives it to you, and it isn't knowledge or wisdom; it's group affirmation.

That is the TRUE meaning of Fight Club...there was no meaning.  It was all a bunch of disaffected outcasts who fell together under a DIFFERENT manner of conformism.  They all dressed the same, they all talked the same, they all acted the same, and they joined the same damned fool crusade wrapped up in the same bullshit as all the rest of them.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:10 | 1093043 WaterWings
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Wow. This is painful, Trav. Have you even seen Fight Club? Read the book? All dressed the same, talked the same...they must have all gone to the same job...


No meaning? Get to the hospital so they can pump your stomach of all the stupid pills you took today.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 03:30 | 1094142 equity_momo
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I suggest a nice holiday trav. I think you're reaching a tipping point. You'll give yourself an anneurysm at this rate.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:41 | 1091754 disabledvet
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from where I sit...and i am sitting down for this, appears to be more along the lines of "messin' with their head."  isn't this the most confusing aspect?  i mean "not to cause undue panic...but RUNNNNNNNNN!"

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:59 | 1092221 Fistfull of wor...
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CD, excellent question, and always appreciated.

Short of a 300ft. fire breathing lizard/dinosaur toppling skycrapers in downtown Tokyo, nobody seems to sense any urgency.  Although given the amount of rads coming out of the site, this scenario may actually be more realistic than the absurd reports we've been receiving from the PTB & MSM.

In all seriousness though, I'm completely shocked that parents of infants aren't in full panic mode (I know I would be).  It's also concerning that we haven't seen mass migration south from the areas surrounding the disaster site and that there is no mention of some type of quarantine zone, which has to exist somewhere.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:20 | 1092906 trav7777
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your conclusion begs the question.

You simply have to realize that you have committed a classic logical fallacy in what you say.

in your second paragraph, you unwittingly give away why you commit the fallacy.  It's in the parentheses.

Why are you so arrogant as to believe your reaction is the justified one?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:55 | 1093004 ColonelCooper
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I understand where you're frustrations come from on some of this, but why slag on that post?  The poster was simply offering that he/she would be scared shitless if he/she had a baby and no "clean" water.  He/she also was just expressing a lack of understanding a people who aren't panicking.

I didn't pick up one iota of rightousness, just fear and empathy.

Lighten up, Dude.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:57 | 1093009 ColonelCooper
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Okay, I reread it and figured it out.  The poster was agreeing with CD, who hacked you off over the last week, so you just decided to sac punch the poster. 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 19:47 | 1092807 andybev01
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The de-evolution will not be televised.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:10 | 1092889 trav7777
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2nd sentence is the tell.

Why do you desire panic so much?

WTF is it with you people?  They aren't PANICKING ABOUT THE END OF THE WORLD, ERGO, its MIND CONTROL by "TPTB."

God, you are so transparent...any reaction other than panic is the obvious fault of sinister mind control forces.  Why?  because YOU are panicking because you are hysterical by nature.

What an ego...and I thought mine was big.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:23 | 1091294 Jim in MN
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Errare humanun est - sed perseverare diabolicum

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:31 | 1091332 long juan silver
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Yall talk funny up dar in MN

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:33 | 1091341 Lord Welligton
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And it may take a divinity to forgive the continuing error.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:23 | 1091295 melvynny
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Remember when Christie Whitman swore the air was safe around the WTC?  Turns out the government lied--who'd a guessed it?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:31 | 1091315 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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The government lied about more than just the air quality on 9/11...

... but we all know 9/11 was an inside job, right? I mean, seriously, if the free and critical thinkers here on zerohedge can't see that with the Overwhelming evidence available, then there is no hope...

... i still can't belive they've gotten away with something so blatant.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:33 | 1091351 X. Kurt OSis
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Bullshit.  I was in the WTC on 9/11 and I can tell you that if the CIA was involved with this, the planes would have crashed in the Hudson.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:49 | 1091447 lizzy36
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Excellent point.

One of the best comments of the day, seriously.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:21 | 1091642 DollarMenu
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Actually, a stupid comment.

Why is the CIA required to make it an 'inside job'?

Who really knows the entire circle of complicity?


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:13 | 1093069 WaterWings
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He was in the towers, and I am Mickey Mouse.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:55 | 1094617 X. Kurt OSis
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You people are fucking amazing. This is a financial blog. Probably half the readers of this site are in Manhattan. I'm in the WTC every fucking day (headed there as I write this) and its been that way for almost 15 years. I'm going to guess a good portion of the readers of this site were there on 9/11.

Tell you what. I'll drop an e-mail address. You contact me and come on down here and I'll give you the tour. We can grab a sandwich, throw some rotten vegetables at the Fed, check out South Street Seaport... You know, make a day of it.

Who knows, we could all end up being best buddies.


I hope you come back and revisit this post.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:07 | 1095261 WaterWings
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That very well may be, and I'm sure most ZHers would call that one fine day. If we weren't dealing with genocidal mass murderers many more of us would be quite up to it!

If genuine, I hope the best for you as we all scramble for the lifeboats.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:26 | 1095354 X. Kurt OSis
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The offer stands. 


I'll take the orange life vest if you spot whoever's handing them out.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:36 | 1091362 Lord Welligton
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"9/11 was an inside job"

I personally prefer "coup d'état"

But I don't suppose the language will change at this stage.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:43 | 1091404 DoChenRollingBearing
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WRONG.  And I usually like your posts FMB, you have an attitude I like.

It is impossible to keep BIG SECRETS and BIG CONSPIRACIES.  If more than, say, three people know, the info gets out.

I used to work for one of the three letters.  There are NO BIG SEXY SECRETS out there.  No LGM in New Mexico either.

There is an elite, but they are not united.  For example the Bushes and Kennedys kind of cancel each other out.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:50 | 1091475 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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There have been plenty of people who worked at air traffic control, NORAD, etc that have come forward and spoken out about how things that happened contradict the 'official' story.

They have had their and their families lives threatened to keep them silent... that's the only story here. Why would they be threaten by the FED/CIA if the official story is the truth and not a complete and utter lie to try to deflect the fact that the government is willing to murders its own citizens on a large scale in plain view.

... and lets not even mention into the physics of 9/11 and how they contradict the official story.

I know where my mind is on this one. Plain and clear as day to me that 9/11 was an inside job.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:14 | 1091611 X. Kurt OSis
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Having gotten out of those buildings after the planes hit and then having stood on the corner of Broadway and Liberty when the first tower came down, I can tell you get a better conspiracy theory to hang your hat on.  Seriously.  There are better ones out there that are much more viable.  Don't get me wrong, our government is fucked up and capable of doing all sorts of things.  9/11 was not an inside job.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:23 | 1091659 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Sorry, but i don't see how being close to the events of day gives you amazing insight into the whole picture that it wasn't an inside job? Please explain.

There were millions of people close to the events of that day, NY is one of the most populated cities on earth... i'm sure those people and yourself wish 9/11 wasn't an inside job as it affected them personally... but looking at the events in retrospect, critically and thinking clearly it can be seen that the official story doesn't stand up to scrutiny on so many levels...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:28 | 1091680 X. Kurt OSis
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I could see precisely where the source of the problem in both buildings were.  I could hear each floor impact on the next when it came down.  Massive resistence on the way down as building collapsed.  Not consistent with theories on how this was a coordinated demolition.  That's my two bits.  Believe what you like.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:22 | 1092576 Cognitive Dissonance
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Ummmmmm Bullshit.

There was no pancaking of floors one onto the next. NIST disproved that "theory" even as they spun their own fairy tale. No building of that height would pancake down in 10 seconds. Even NIST calculated a pancake situation would have taken well north of 60 seconds if it were even possible. It was the reason they quickly discarded it as even a remote possibility.

You are speaking out of your ass and your claim of being there is most likely your effort to generate credibility. Epic failure on your part.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 18:41 | 1092618 X. Kurt OSis
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That makes you the asshole. I'm simply presenting what I saw and heard. I don't what you think. Ad hominum attacks are the attacks of desperate person in an "honest debate." I can mail you the shoes and the suit I was wearing that day, still covered in ash.

Fuck you asshole.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 20:22 | 1092913 trav7777
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EPIC fail on your part, as you are in no way technically competent to refute even a theory that unicorns did it.

So, you, what, think they SEQUENTIALLY demolished the floors?

The building pancaked as it fell, substantial amounts of mass existed above the failure zones.

You conspiracy junkies absolutely make me laugh...the funniest part is how freethinking you consider yourselves to be when in reality you are just another system of conformance and control.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 21:16 | 1093073 WaterWings
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Uh, don't have to understand that much technical material to wonder how it went down at the speed of gravity. Your posts all follow the same pattern.

Moonbats! Everyone in sight!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:41 | 1091742 DoChenRollingBearing
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FMB, big claims demand good evidence.

Links please! 

No whacko ones.

Thanks, I am always willing to look & learn.  But, until I see really solid stuff, 9/11 was an al-Qaeda conspiracy only.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 16:35 | 1092095 ZerOhead
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Just watch this video collage DoChen... and then research it fully and tell us where the lies are...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:07 | 1093431 Confuchius
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On Sept 11 & 12 2001 after watching the fucked over videos of "planes flying into buildings" it was possible to find the web site of the creator & constructor of the WTC. In excruciating detail it was spelled out and shown in the drawings how the buildings were designed from the outset to withstand multiple strikes by 707 type aircraft fkying into them at full speed with full fuel. Absolutely nothing structurally necessary was damaged.

The massive core of the buildings (think "elevator area") was 4 to 6 inch thick Battleship Grade armor steel which could only be damaged by high explosives (think naval gun battles). Nothing on the perimeter of the structures was critical in any sense except cosmetic.

This web site "disappeared" (along with all the explosively fractured steelworks a few days later.) Except for a few pieces still sitting not too far away which still have the nano-thermate (mil spec) residue on them. (Google nano thermate).

You might also consider the demolition a few hours later of "Building 7" as well as the demolition of "Building six".

To jog your memory a bit check the PBS interview of Larry Silverstein who says out loud on PBS that he consulted with the NY Fire Chief and they decided to "pull it" (A Demolition Contractor's term for blowing it up) which takes weeks and weeks of work to set all the nano thermate strips and the other explosives required to fracture the critical frame members. (And then give the push button to the Fire Chief?)

There was, at the time, a web site belonging to the "Demolition Contractors Ass'n" which laid out in minute detail how to drop a hi rise building in its' own footprint. There were dozens and dozens of video examples. Watching the WTC circus, it was just another video added to the Contractor's Ass'n collection. All the characteristic give-aways to a demolition were right in front of you.

The Contractor's web site also disappeared that week, to be replaced with a nauseous blurb with no videos.


PS. One of the Arab pilots of the "hijacked" airliners flew me along the Med coast in MENA on I believe Royal Air Maroc a few years ago. Amazingly resilient of him, I would say.

Oh, another thing. On Sept. 11 there was a news story (Disappeared the same day) of one of the airliners landing at Cleveland for which the terminal was emptied and the airport closed while the plane taxiied over to a hangar and the "fbi" took all the passengers into one of the hangars. (Never to come out??)

The video for this appeared "live" and not as fucked with as the NY clips.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:57 | 1091515 X. Kurt OSis
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The intelligence apparatus was so fractured pre 9/11 that they couldn't coordinate a conference call.  The Bay of Pigs was the first major CIA project and they have been fucking everything up since then.

Read the books written by their own people.  There are more books on the "culture of failure" written by intelligence insiders than any other topic.  These fuckers thought we were going to lose the Cold War, they had been infiltrated over and over again and then they were shocked when the Soviets threw in the towel.  The CIA was more surprised by the fall of the Berlin Wall than the East Germans.

Two things emerge when you look at US leadership from at the "forest" level: arrogance and incompetence.


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:06 | 1091571 TaxSlave
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That could be why the entire operation was fumbled so badly.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:11 | 1091595 Cognitive Dissonance
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Keep going. Don't stop now. There are plenty more false arguments and straw men left to roll out.

While I can certainly understand why people would not believe the so called alternative "conspiracy theories" what I don't understand is why people accept essentially at face value the most egregious of all the 9/11 conspiracy theories, the official government conspiracy theory.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:24 | 1091658 X. Kurt OSis
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Look, I lost friends that day.  So its hard to not be biased.  It's not that I believe the government is incapable of doing fucked up things.  I don't think they had the operational capability/security to do this.  And the most important piece of evidence: if our end objective was the wars that were started afterwards, why were we in such a state of disarray in terms of actually starting them.  The administration was completely flustered at the fact that we couldn't invade soon enough.  From a strategic point of view, millitary commanders typically want to start wars in the place and at the time of their choosing.  The timing of 9/11 was timed such that we couldn't simply jump into action.  The timing was horrible, we had no assets in place to start the invasions, all sorts of logistical issues, weather issues, etc., etc...

Did the government use 9/11 as convenient opportunity to carry out other objectives?  Yes (and that's fucked up enough).  Is there anything more to it?  I seriously doubt that. 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:31 | 1091696 TaxSlave
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We may never know the truth.  But what we do know is, the official explanation has no credibility.


WTC 7.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:43 | 1091761 davepowers
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and the president was reading to small kids and no one in the know pulled him away. and it sounded like Cheney was only worried about getting his own self safe and sound and into a set of dry pants. and when they did start a war it was in Afghanistan first, not Iraq where the oil was located.

this is not to say that some in some intelligence groups didn't have a warning and decided to look the other way. 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:50 | 1091788 RichardENixon
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"Condi and Colin, George here. Look, on this Iraq thing, we got 2 choices. We can either go ahead and invade now like Clinton was ready to do before he got caught blowin' a load on Monica, or we can fly some planes into the WTC and the Pentagon and maybe Congress, and blame it on Osama bin Laden. Yeah, we'll have to bring 'em down in a controlled demolition. Let me worry about how to link this up with Saddam. Okay then, we'll go with the planes. Hey, you know any good children's books, by the way?"

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:59 | 1091847 Cognitive Dissonance
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Bush was just as surprised as we were by the 9/11 attacks and ten times as clueless. The upside down "My Pet Goat" is the clue. Bush, just like Obama and Clinton, is a puppet.

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