SAC's Heavy Hand Prompts Thomson Reuters to Join the Journalistic Capture Hall of Shame

Regular readers of Zero Hedge will be keenly aware of our animosity for, if not the mainstream media, the malaise that has gripped the mainstream media's ethos (and a massive swelling of its increasingly corrupt pathos, as it happens). Our expressions of disgust go back months, even as far back as the birth of Zero Hedge itself. So, today, when we recognize new manifestations of these illnesses, we are far past the point of outrage. Our reaction might be better described as a slow, mournful shake of the head indicative of an almost bored (and certainly unsurprised) resignation. The decline of journalism (and the resultant and pending takeover of yet another broken business model by the Federal Government) is a common theme here at Zero Hedge because it is so common a theme. This morning it is Reuters that prompts our sad response.

Almost torn from the "through blue-tinted glasses" frames of "The Insider," Michael Mann's 1999 retelling of the 60 Minutes "Big Tobacco" story scandal (for the uninitiated, a pending sale of CBS to Westinghouse apparently prompted Don Hewitt and CBS lawyers to initially kill a 60 Minutes story highlighting a Brown & Williamson whistle-blower for fear of a deal-killing lawsuit by Brown & Williamson) the Carolina Business News Initiative's "Talking Biz News" blog (hereinafter "TBN") describes how Thomson "The World's Leading Source of Intelligent Information for Businesses and Professionals" Reuters killed Matthew Goldstein's piece on SAC's Steven Cohen. Says TBN:
Reuters editors last week killed a story by investigative reporter Matthew Goldstein about hedge fund trader Steven Cohen after Cohen complained to top Thomson Reuters executives that he was being persecuted by the news agency’s reporting, sources at Reuters said.
Goldstein’s story was an “incremental” advance in the reports swirling around Cohen that he engaged in insider trader [sic] during the 1980s, Reuters sources said. There have been reports that Cohen is next in the sights of the SEC following the Galleon case, which featured SEC wiretapping the conversations of hedge fund manager Raj Rajaratnam.
Zero Hedge has, of course, been sniffing around this story for months. But then, the CEO of our parent company's marketing division doesn't get calls from senior SAC executives. (Probably because we don't have a parent company). We are also quite sure that 60,000+ shares of Thomson Reuters held by SAC according to that firm's September 2009 SC13F-HR filing (up from ~42,000 shares in June of 2009 and up from 0 shares in March of 2009) is too small an amount to influence the likes of Devin Wenig. Just for the record, Zero Hedge has never owned even a single share of Thomson Reuters.
In 1995 When CBS killed the 60 Minutes story, and though 60 Minutes was later permitted to air modified and then finally a full version of the piece, the Editorial page of the New York Times issued the anonymous and scathing journalistic rebuke that: "The traditions of Edward R. Murrow and '60 Minutes' itself were diluted in the process." One wonders what the New York Times would make of Reuters' antics today Probably nothing. When Mann directed "The Insider" it was a shocking tale. Today journalistic perversion is a common bit of boring trivia. One ought instead to wonder what the New York Times of 1995 would make of Reuters' antics today, but that institution has been dead a long time. We defy you to try to imagine today's New York Times printing anything even remotely resembling this:
This act of self-censorship by the country's most powerful and aggressive television news program sends a chilling message to journalists investigating industry practices everywhere.
The 60 Minutes producer that championed the Brown & Williamson piece eventually left CBS over the incident. (Lowell Bergman joined what may be the last real haven for investigative journalism on television, PBS' Frontline). Perhaps more alarming for this particular story, Reuters does not even have lawyers fretting over a pending sale and a large lawsuit to fall back on:
Goldstein’s story was based on documents, and was approved by Reuters lawyers. After Goldstein contacted Cohen for the pro forma no comment before the story ran, Cohen repeatedly called Devin Wenig, CEO of the Thomson Reuters Markets Division and the No. 2 executive at Thomson Reuters, to complain about the story.
Wenig passed on the complaints to Reuters Editor in Chief David Schlesinger, who asked editors to look into them. Reuters editors debated the story for three days before finally killing it.
The decisions would appear to be totally editorial. This is, of course, beyond disgusting- but, in keeping with the theme we introduced at the beginning of this article, also totally unsurprising.
If the closing years of this decade are ever given a one-word theme it might well be "capture." The capture of regulators by financial institutions, the capture of financial institutions by the Treasury, the capture of the FDIC by the Fed, the capture of the Fed by the White House and the capture of the fourth estate (which this publication hereinafter refuses to capitalize) by the entity with the most "access" to sell this month. Apparently, for Reuters, that's SAC.
We seriously doubt that you will ever read the killed Reuter's piece anywhere. But, then, that is what Zero Hedge is for.

on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 08:26
#171483
Reuters Leadership
Thomson-Reuters CEO Tom Glocer
Glocer's Blog
Glocer's Politics
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:22
#171742
MSM Compromised, pliant?
Watch out it's happening to the Internet, too. Evidence Google's joining of the internet Identity Layer protocol (or whatever it's called) and now the monitoring of your/our systems even when logged out of Google?
George Orwell was right.
This is small potatoes in media-land.
Keep on keepin' on, ZH
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:59
#171876
gift from col. kurtz: scroogle.org
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 18:50
#172183
Merci mon coronel,
But the traffic which one generates via any intermediary even when logged out of Google is now recorded on Google and recpatured at a later time via an anonymous cookie as was noted by site: Tech Radar, posted on Cryptogon 12/06
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 19:12
#172209
do you know where the cookie is parked and how to scrub it?
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 15:19
#171960
I know I can be a tin foil hat wearing nutjob at times but what the hell is Google up to these days?
While Google did reactivate the autosearch function for "Climategate" searches... it is now deleting links to same articles. Current count is 8,470,000 today. Yesterday it was 10..1MM... day before 10.7 MM. Remember two weeks ago it was 30.1MM.
Using Bing "Climategate" for comparison is over 50MM hits.
Try googling "googlegate"... yesterday 33 hits only... (Update... today 23,000)
Bing "googlegate" ??? ... Over 70 Million.
Was is happening here guys? Google censorship ALA China? Are the lights going out on Al Gores information superhighway? Just askin'
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 15:25
#171982
Google tipped their hand regarding their future proclivity to willing and complicit censorship when they agreed to Chinese censorship. The almighty buck is the one and only litmus test for corporations.
I also have a shiny hat and I don't trust companies that go from zero to 10,000 MPH in a few years. It smacks of artificial stimulation and the hidden hand and I suspect there's some CIA/NSA involvement in Google, Facebook etc.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 19:34
#172228
Don't suspect, know. Google, facebook, myspace, youtube are ALL NSA/CIA Funded data mining ops.
And internet operation that provides a 'free service' is not free. Nothing is free. Remember that.
The IAO (Information Awareness Orifice) is alive and well.
-MobBarley
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 01:09
#172430
Yup, advertising works both ways. They can advertise info for you and they can advertise your info.
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 08:46
#172521
Dammit this thread cost me an hour of my life. I couldn't help but read all about identity layer protocol proposals. Damn internets.
But seriously, google is way beyond evil, think about it, to get information you have to give it! They are correlating anything and everything they can on everybody, using fuzzy logic, etc. If something doesn't exist in google, it doesn't exist on the web. AKA the "single point of failure".
Privacy wingnuts - time to read up on "Flash Cookies" for a fresh jolt of paranoia. Use Firefox and the "Better Privacy" plugin to get out of that hole. Delete cookies on exit and don't accept thrid party cookies.
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 13:10
#172790
thnx for that better privacy reminder. gotta scrub those machines, keep em clean.
what i realized on uboob is that they now have some crazy visual recognition software that correlates by similarities in visual information. realized my strange visual experiments on there were related with other weird visuals with no similar tags whatsoever.
time to go super subliminal psychedelic.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 15:15
#171959
correction this is the link to the blog of Reuter's CEO
Glocer's Blog
and here is Goldstein on video December 4 discussing Cohen & SAC Capital
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 07:52
#171487
And this
http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2009/12/msnbc-libtalker-morning-joe-t...
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:11
#171805
So what are we reduced to, in terms of getting good, honest investigative reporting?
Is Rolling Stone magazine it?
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 01:07
#172429
You do realize where you are posting this question?
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 10:53
#172602
I meant to include "mainstream media" in my commentary, not "all media".
Perhaps my enigma is now on an accelerated timeline to Zero.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 07:51
#171489
S. Cohen has been shitting his pants for months since Galleon dropped. Its all hands on deck to try and cover all bases, destroy any evidence and to assasinate all ex-wives.
It is no coincidence that the markets have not budged since Rajaratnam, Chiesi, et al got busted. All the largest hedgies are a bit preoccupied staying out of the clink and wondering which one of their buddies is going to be the next to sing like a canary.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 08:09
#171499
Well said and an excellent insight Marla.
The major media outlets have failed miserably in digging for and presenting objective information.
This was predicted many years ago when corporate interests (GE being a perfect example) started buying media and press companies.
Just another card in the house of cards of lies, fraud, cheating and CONfidence building that the United States has built itself upon.
Funny how we universally teach out children to "tell the truth" yet abandon that mantra with fury as we become adults. We are paying the price now.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 08:13
#171500
You're damn right! Great job (as always), Marla. MSM is going to have an increasingly difficult time keeping their dirty laundry out of the public eye with folks like you and the rest of the ZH band of purported "ne'er-do-wells" on the job! Well done!
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 08:14
#171502
Fuck it Babylon iz Burn!
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 08:16
#171503
i must protest. everything complex moves toward-a it's natural fascistic state of war between famiglie
i encourage you to see 'capture' from the other perspective, a victory of the accumulation of power
per favore, americano, the future is italian fascism because it's the nature
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:28
#171597
si paisano, il duce is grinning in his grave-o.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:56
#171634
"the future is italian fascism because it's the nature"
You're probably right, but I hope not. I'd rather go fighting than relinquish my liberties.
We all know that mainstream media outlets are horrendous. I'm wondering how long it will take the government to takeover the true sources of information (radio and internet). I'm a believer that you can't stop the spread of information, adn the internet is by far the best instrument in doing so. People have had their eyes opened more than ever thanks to the internet. If they ever take this over we're fucked for sure.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:19
#171663
"future is italian fascism"
the future is already here. no one on ZH should have any doubt of who runs the show in this country. if you are not a sympathizer/supporter of an OT a non-stop flight away from NYC, then you are not in the "inner circle".
Born in the USI, er USA.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:55
#171870
The great American "experiment" was just that. An experiment in alternative control mechanisms. So was communist Russia and China.
We are now publicly and openly moving back to a more "normal" or "natural" control mechanism of a small group of elites holding power over everyone else. It's always been that way, only hidden from public view. The experiments were designed to hide that control and see if control and exploitation could still be maintained. Or at the very least, if new and more effective methods could be devised.
New methods were devised and they're now being implemented. Just watch your TV. Closely and frequently.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 08:27
#171510
Selling out to sleaze bags. Was the Timothy Sykes episode your Achilles' heel? I wish I understood as I usually dislike using the word hypocrite. Show me the light.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 08:27
#171511
When can we read the story here on ZH???
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:45
#171853
I was wondering the same thing.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 08:27
#171512
Perfect.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 08:35
#171516
Cohen's digs in Greenwich
http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=qvjhss8vyy1n&scene=15421115&lvl=1&sty=o...
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 08:47
#171523
A picture is worth a thousand LIES
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 09:16
#171543
That's a nice place. I wonder what someone would do to protect that kind of lifestyle?
Sell their soul perhaps......
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:55
#171682
That spread would also look great from the air burned to the ground. Thanks for the map!!!!
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:15
#171810
Really, Wow
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 08:52
#171522
Why doesn't 60 Minutes or any other respectful news outlet cover the big hedge fund and private equity fund managers more closely? Simple. George Carlin said it best: "....the real owners of this country want more for themselves and less for everyone else."
Having invested in some of the best hedge fund and private equity managers in the world, I laugh when I see people treating these guys like gods. They aren't half as smart as people think and they often manipulate stocks or private companies to profit any way they can, either through naked short selling/ insider trading (hedge funds) or through financial engineering/ debt loading (private equity).
But people are stupid. How many times do I hear "...he's so smart, he makes a lot of money." They consistently mistake wealth and luck for brains. In my life, I've met only one genius, and he wasn't running a hedge fund or private equity fund. His name is Charles Taylor and for years he taught political philosophy at McGill University and other universities. Read one of his masterpieces, Sources of the Self, and you'll see what I am talking about. The breadth and depth of his knowledge is awe-inspiring.
As for elite hedge fund managers getting away with murder, it's up to the government to start better regulating this industry. They can start by mandating that all pension funds and institutions invest via a managed account platform, but I guarantee that elite hedge fund managers will not go for this. They will say it's because they do not want their clients to "reverse engineer" their strategies, but the truth is that they do not want their clients to see all the shady trading they do intra-month.
As for the media, they do a shitty job covering what's really going on at public pension funds, which is why I keep blogging on the subject. It irks me to see regular hard working people contribute to pensions, and then have pension fund managers invest in hedge funds and private equity funds to claim "alpha" as they beat their bogus benchmarks and collect millions in bonus. It's all self-perpetuating scam and when there is big money involved, everyone looks away.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 08:53
#171528
charles taylor is a left hegelian
what's-a matter for you-a!
you corrupt the youth
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 09:15
#171533
So what is your point? Marx was one of the most important thinkers in the world. Would you ban teaching his political theory at universities? Come on, let's get serious here. If Marx were alive today, he would be diligently examining the nexus between pension fund managers and financial oligarchs profiting off Casino Capitalism.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 09:27
#171549
hey everybody, i expose-a one
i don't trust a man who publicly praises marx; one cannot imagine the vile ruminations of the private mind
you are banished from the city
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:27
#171588
Lame, very lame fiasco. Your alias describes you perfectly.
Keep up the great work Leo. You, "TD," Marla and the other columnist are what I'm here for. The problem with ZH getting so popular is the standard of postings, outside of a few has dropped miserably to the point of being vulgar and/or just banal.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:33
#171760
you like the quality comments that quote george carlin and refer to charles taylor?
you like the quality comments that have a link to youtube?
george carlin and sources of the self made leo a smart man, maybe you too
this leo is so stupido, he handed his papers in at university with hyperlinks
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:35
#171762
fiasco is not vulgar...he is right on. Did you even see his first point? power will always "capture" as long are their are enough naive idiots to support big government....so any socialist or marxist philosophy that justifies empowering some benevolent super entity (the government) is pure idiocy...might as well be working for the biggest baddest corporations around if your pushing that crap, because you are only being a "useful idiot" if you are not.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 23:43
#172393
Next time try reading for comprehension. I did not say fiasco was vulgar. That part of my comment was a general observation on the mass of lousy posts that now show up on this site.
I said fiasco was "banal" which is really worse. Instead of disagreeing and bring reasons for disagreeing to the discussion he just goes off on how " Taylor is this" and "Carlin is that" and "Leo is this" etc. ad nauseum. Add that Italian schtick (Schtick usually used in place of substance by those who lack it.) and all one can say is fiasco is a yahoo discussion board type and should go back there. . .
I can only guess Leo must have had a very slow day to even mess with that lightweight as much as he did.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:17
#171614
fiasco,
I am not praising anyone, merely pointing out the obvious. Marx had his shortcomings, but if you don't understand his important contributions to political theory, and his genius at exposing the contradictions of capitalism, then you're living in a very dark cave.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:39
#171767
marx a genius....mama mia!
yes, i'm in a dark cave, and there's a small fire behind me, and people and things are moving between me and the fire,
and their shadows on the wall in front of me are mistaken for the real things
and it's just a me here!
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:51
#171779
Take away reality TV and they'll attack you for it. Waking people up is a thankless job. People just need to step outside and see the light for themselves.
Or, in the vein of Fight Club: find your power animal.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 14:43
#171934
Nobody here but us troglodytes.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:47
#171617
"i don't trust a man"
you expose-a yourself right there paisano. and the rest of your famiglia.
just remember there are those of us out there who are tired of watching the godfather for the 15,000th time, especially when it's forcibly beamed into our living rooms. you get one more viewing, enjoy it while it lasts. then it's time for us to take back the remote control.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 09:43
#171558
If Marx were alive today, he would also be gazing with clever amusement. While the leftist elite pump Chinese solar stocks looking for bag holders, like you LEO.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:08
#171576
Leo - Have at it.
And thanks for your contributions to my reading stack over this past year.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:12
#171581
Marx's skewed ideas have infected millions of people like some kind of computer virus for your brain. Marxism has been nothing short of a tragedy for humanity--witness the millions upon millions of people slaughtered by Marx adherents. Always with the same line "just a little more power, a little less individualism, and the perfect society can be formulated." Complete and utter bullshit. So excuse me if I disagree. I wouldn't go so far as to ban teaching it, but in higher education these days, Marx is downright celebrated and that is something that is horribly, horribly wrong.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:32
#171759
I was waiting for this type of shallow remark and will simply reply that Marx was not a Marxist Leninist. He would have vigorously condemned this perversion of his teachings. Enlighten yourself a little and stop being so brainwashed by right-wing America.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:23
#171824
I agree with Leo. Marxism and Socialism in their purest forms could work. Too bad they involve people and will therefore get f'ed up beyond comprehension. I don't think anyone can claim Soviet atrocities really had anything to do with Marxism other than because the leaders said it did. Communism and Socialism are the most easily corrubtible forms of potential government because they feed off of the good will and work ethic of a powerless people.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 21:08
#172303
While supported by Engels, during his residence in the London Library (by each according to his ability, to each according to his need)- Marx certainly practiced what he preached.
But Marx failed to see the rise of the middle class. Our current political masters and thieving banksters have failed to see the death of the American middle class.
When things get out of hand in this country, Barry or his successor may have to call back the armies from Iraq and Afghanistan. I wonder who the boys will point their guns at ?
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 23:55
#172400
+100
same for pure capitalism. if anyone finds any, please send us a pointer. doubtless no humans are involved with it either.
i don't agree with Leo sometimes, but i always appreciate the value of ideas as both substantiation and argument against policy. Marx has value, if only to help articulate counter-opinion.
if it's black and white to any of you, you've sadly been mis-taught. look again, think, consider complexity.
cheers
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:27
#171595
And he'd probably be incorrectly blaming the free market when his own theories have encouraged the current freaks to create the political-corportist version of capitalism we have today, thinking if only they made the beast big enough, it'd make everything fair. Dunces. He, King Dunce.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:29
#171755
I think you have something there LK.
He'd be one of the most prominent critics of this entire debacle.
I think a lot of readers forget one essential fact regarding the movie Fight Club....
Tyler created a neo-terrorist communist group that suppressed individuality.
Duh.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 14:31
#171919
phaesed wins
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 15:16
#171975
Eh, that's pretty good phaesed.
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 05:27
#172472
This is the whole point. When Durden gives his chat about how "we're" not going to grow up to be movie stars, who is the actor playing Durden?
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:31
#171670
I agree - Hegelians need their head turned around or removed from spreading their insidious doctrines in classrooms. It's one thing to appreciate Marx for his 'alternative' view, and another to allow it to be held as an actual alternative to the Constitution. We see the results - and he's not done yet.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:47
#171776
It's unlikely Marx today would have had anything to say on the US Constitution, except to comment that it is celebrated more in the breach than in the observance, and he would be largely correct.
However, he would certainly say that modern capitalism is EPIC FAIL and he would be largely correct there, too.
Sorry that everyone's gold-plated ladder to heaven has been yanked out from under them. But you can't really blame Marx for that. If anything he warned you what would happen and ... well lookie there ... we was right. Too bad, that.
Better luck next time around eh? Remember when you try to rebuild that failure is baked into the cake.
cougar
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:01
#171790
Couldn't have said it better myself, Coug. Violation of property rights, via interventionalist capitalism (oxymoron), became the norm too quickly. The Constitution was basically the most ingenious way of keeping one rich guy from using the Powerz to take from another rich guy. But most of the founding fathers didn't really care about the proles when it came down to it.
Personally, I would prefer a 'kumbaya' life where everyone gets what they need when they trip and fall in life. But I don't trust human nature - and neither did the founding fathers.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 15:14
#171967
Epic fail?
More people have more to eat than they've ever had before, more people know how to read and write as well.
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 00:00
#172405
could be...
but when one considers the ratio of quality food and good writing to the other kinds... capacity clearly does not imply quality.
seems like more noise than signal
cheers
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 11:06
#172616
Yeah, Chinese factories discovered that Americans were to stupid to check product quality so our kids are chewing on toys with leaded paint and drinking baby formula with melamine.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:22
#171587
I work for a HF with a good reputation and know and share meetings with many other HF mgrs so I concur with you Leo: we are NOT nearly as smart or calculated as people on the outside think we are. To outperform consistently over short time periods you need an edge, and 99% of the time that "edge" is not based on some skill advantage. We act ethically so our performance is nothing special compared to SAC- I wouldn't pay the 2/20 for our services but, hey, this business is apparently more about style than substance.
But I still think that making hedge funds the focus of legal ire only serves to distract us from the larger institutional market corrupter's. A couple big HF perp walks and people will attribute the financial crisis to greedy HF's while continuing to perpetuate the wealth-destroying institutions who are really responsible.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:49
#171620
The majority of HFs are charging 2&20 for leveraged beta. Top funds are able to deliver alpha, most of the time, but even they are guilty of this. At least hedge fund managers have skin in the game, which is more than I can say for investment banking wimps who take ridiculous risks without putting one dime in the funds they manage.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:54
#171629
From: Fuld, Dick
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:52 AM (GMT)
Just finished the Paulson dinner. A few takeaways//
4-they want to kill the bad HFnds + heavily regulate the rest
http://dealbreaker.com/2008/10/i-just-killed-that-interview-m.php
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:00
#171641
I stopped reading your message after the 10th word.
60 minutes =/= respectful news agency sir.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:35
#171681
Amazing that you even got that far...stick to cartoons, you're a joke.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:43
#171849
Then don't begin your posts with oxymorons. Please don't get butthurt because someone disagrees with you. It seems I've dented your ego, and as an apologetic action I've read through your thread. It's no doubt many here, including yourself, are more educated than I in the history of Marx, Keynes, economics, politics, and the like. Just because I haven't read as many books doesn't make me less knowledgable or entitled to contribute.
I'm not here to engage in a pissing contest, and I concede that even if I was you would probably win, but you must admit your intial post is pretty worthless. It doesn't bring anything original to the table, rather you reinforce what everybody already has known for years. Honestly I'd be more interested in you extending your original thoughts on Marx and his relationship with the modern world than reading you regurgitate daily headlines.
Whether Marx's views have been correctly interpreted and implemented is up for debate. What isn't up for debate is the obvious fail that they have brought upon us, whether or not that was his vision. In your opinion, Marx has contributed much to theory and thought. Unfortunately, he is quite celebrated for possibly the wrong reasons and as I said, has caused many a shitstorm for millions.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:59
#171877
If Marx were alive today he would be seeking out the 21st century of equivalent of Russian and French anarchists so he could plagiarize their stuff.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 14:05
#171883
besodemuerte,
Everyone has something to contribute, regardless of which books they have or have not read. I just didn't like the way you came across. 60 Minutes is far from perfect but it is one hour of television that I always try to watch, along with the Charlie Rose interviews.
As for Marx, ironically, if the powers that be want to salvage capitalism, they'd better brush up on their readings of Marx. They way we are heading, I predict mass nationalization of the entire financial and healthcare industries. Call it historic inevitability.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 14:17
#171900
"They way we are heading, I predict mass nationalization of the entire financial and healthcare industries."
Aren't we already there?
Any particular pieces you suggest for a beneficial studying/interpretation of Marx? That topic is pretty vast and I along with many others honestly don't have the time. If you could isolate what one with average college level knowledge of him should focus on for an increased perspective that would be most helpful.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 20:18
#172266
I suggest you start from a simple link:
http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/marx.html
And read Friedrich Engels' eulogy:
What a prophetic eulogy. Some people think Marx is irrelevant, but the way things are going, he's becoming more and more relevant and those who choose to ignore his theories, no matter how imperfect they were, will suffer the consequences.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 14:28
#171917
Oh, good Lord, Leo. The man appears to be a moral realist. That may be understandable in members of the general population, but in an academic philosopher it is simply jaw-dropping. I don't have the time to debunk his arguments in detail right now - and I've only read the first ten pages of your link - but . . . egads. That's really all I have to say.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 08:48
#171525
Like clockwork, CNBS adds to this story this morning following the GDP number:
Instead of discussing perhaps the most important econ number (if you believe any gov't data) for an extended period of time, say 10 minutes with commercials, they jump to an interview with the ceo of Greystone, the nation's largest FHA lender.
You can't make this shit up.
"Hey GDP sucked (and without cars would have really sucked) but enough of that doom and gloom, let's go to someone who is doing God's work, lending to people who probably shouldn't be borrowing to buy a house."
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 08:49
#171526
Videodrome... long live the new flesh.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 08:52
#171527
Turning your back on investigative journalism is signing your own death warrant. News, for the most part, is homogeneous across most sources -- those that distinguish themselves by offering information not found anywhere else will thrive, as is the case with ZH.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:40
#171608
It depends on how you define "thrive" as I'm sure the ZH folks can tell you, there isn't much money in working for ZH.
You can say, "well money isn't everything" but, to the owners of the MSM, it is and that priority will always be "Number One." They will do or not do whatever is necessary with their financial news department under that priority.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:14
#171726
Thats why I don't get my news from the MSM's of the world. Sadly, many still do and will continue to do so because the concept of "biased reporting" completely eludes them.
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 00:06
#172408
know thy enemy? that's my interest.
besides, the audacity factor is almost entertaining in itself.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:58
#171789
I agree to a point. To thrive, a media outlet needs to offer 28 second news farts that don't challenge anyone and don't scare advertisers.
ZH won't thrive as such, but will remain important. After the revolution we'll only remember that which was important, the rest having been consigned to the dustbin of history.
cougar
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 14:15
#171892
I forget where this is mentioned, perhaps Marla can provide more detail, but it has been noted on ZH by ZH staff that many hedge fund managers, politicians, prominent folk, and an increasing number of traffic in general paints a picture of a thriving ZH. Also, let us not forget that a lot of action taken by SEC, Chuck Schumer, responses by GS, and even the notice it received from CNBC clearly demonstrates that ZH is thriving. ZH was instrumental in bringing to the forefront the highly controversial topics regarding HFT, Dark Pools, etc.
I think describing ZH as thriving is self-evident. That is, thriving in its popularity and ability to deliver information (often not provided anywhere else) which is, for better or worse, valuable by those who read it. Quantity of money generated is a simple metric, but ultimately pointless. Perhaps I should have defined it initially, but I see ZH thriving as a source of valuable intellectual property, and the fact that senators and GS take note of whats written on this site should support that conclusion, not to mention the tremendous increase in web traffic. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/zerohedge.com#trafficstats
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 14:44
#171937
+1 It is indeed verifiably happening. As it does, it may be time to re-read Tyler's missives around the time ZH.com went online, as well as to revisit How To [Read/Tip Off] Zero Hedge Without Attracting The Interest Of [Human Resources/The Treasury/Black Helicopters] . While the internet is a wonderful source of a great many things, it does carry info in many directions:
http://www.quantcast.com/zerohedge.com (here I am curious as to their demographic estimates)
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/zerohedge.com/
http://technorati.com/blogs/directory/business/
It would be nice if there were some way to contribute to ensuring the continued 'prosperity' of ZH and staff beyond clicking 'Donate'. I just profoundly hope there are enough layers in place for when TPTB decide ZH is more than just a safety valve and an actual threat.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 15:29
#171989
It is not self-evident at all; one serious lawsuit could bring this site crashing down and put it's principles on the ropes and just possibly in a court house. And don't you imagine for a split femtosecond they aren't aware of that. It's just the name of the game and we benefit because they stick their necks out.
Thriving culturally is I think what you are getting at. A buzzing hive of information and opinion, most of it of a very high quality. The signal to noise ratio on some days and for some topics is nearly unity. You have to love this immensely.
We all hope the ZH culture survives. But we pray that the ZH servers continue to run and our intrepid contributers stay in fine form.
There is thriving, and then there is running straight, fast and hot. All Hail the Heat!
cougar
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 16:46
#172076
"one serious lawsuit"
...or National Security Letter
And maybe,... just maybe,... some NSL's have been served to ZH already. But they couldn't tell us about that even if they wanted to, could they?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfRU48QxfQE
Remember, the Patriot Act is the law of the land.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 18:51
#172184
How can I forget it?
Rights had been chiseled away slowly but surely over many years. Then comes the "Patriot" Act and rips away big chunks of them.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 21:23
#172314
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 22:44
#172363
I think Marla is alluding to the fact that (in theory) US statutes apply within sovereign territory of the US, and the voice(s) we are hearing are broadcast from outside such realm. Still, makes it a pesky chore to maintain a sufficiently complex structure of one-way, failsafe cutouts. And agents sufficiently devoted have in the past come up with creative ways to bridge "legal standards".
We had a discussion a few months back on the topic of information density, and the relatively high level thereof here at ZH - this post and its ensuing commentary are a perfect example. While I am sure some are aware, nowhere on the web (outside professional [gov't or otherwise] intel gathering/analytic centers) is there such activity in real time on topics of such substance. If you know of one, pls. point it out [despite the risk my head would explode trying to explore it].
Thank you all (esp. Marla & Tyler), readers & contributors (even lurking, venomous agents of ill-intentioned organizations residing herein), for making this possible. Merry holidays and a happier new year to all.
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 04:23
#172463
Those who would prefer this kind of information source not "thrive" have a very large incentive to find a way to stop it. Will the subversion of the internet succeed? Will the folks at Zero Hedge be able to survive long term?
Those who despise the circulation of "truth" are very resourceful in silencing it. Now that ZH is being noticed those who are responsible for ZH will now have to face the cost of truth telling in this world. Will they long endure? Every day is a victory. History suggests that they can expect some very nasty stuff in their near term future. Are they wise enough and brave enough to survive what is about to come? Enjoying the ride! One hell of a classroom!
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 05:06
#172468
information just wants to be free
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 21:43
#172328
@cougar,
I literally just spit Wheaties all over my computer screen and keyboard. I always hated it when people say they spew stuff on their computer because I didn't think it ever really happened...
F@#& me! It's gonna be a bitch getting these little pieces out of the keyboard that fell between the keys.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 09:08
#171536
Just because ZH doesn't have a parent company does NOT mean that Marla and Tyler can't (won't??) be declared "enemy combatants" and whisked away to a prison in Egypt to be tortured and never heard from again.
http://www.financialarmageddon.com/2009/12/shocked-and-unnerved.html
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:16
#171730
You see now when it is too late what we are up against: Fascism.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:00
#171791
Not just yet, not quite.
But shortly, in the scheme of things, in no time at all.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:46
#171854
I agree. We are not there yet. They need to bring more soft minded idiots that take orders well into the fold before we go full on fascism.
The process is ongoing. But with so many out of work................
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 15:20
#171979
.......... and idle hands do the Devil's work.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 09:09
#171538
The Truth can also Capture. Even the suspicion
of truth can capture. MSM ratings plumet - for
the most part I have been leaving my TV off
all year. The free newspapers that they leave
on my lawn promptly go in the trash I do not
even look. (Amazing that they must lie about
their subscriber base as well by giving it away
free now). Yet they cannot compete with the
Truth or even the delivery of the suspicion
of truth. Thanks ZeroHedge!
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 09:15
#171541
Mr. Cohen ordered a Code Red on Reuters!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 09:21
#171545
Marla, I lost faith in Frontline ever since they failed so miserably to bring forth the real news from Khamisiyah. I suppose the company lawyer meeting with the SGOTUS can have that effect. So, either Reuters is just late to the party or it has decided to forgo anything but sanctioned marshmallow fluff work that forms the basis of nearly all journalism in todays world. How I miss those that actually practiced the art of journalism.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/syndrome/closer/khamisiyah...
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 09:28
#171550
Merry Christmas Miles...x
Ask yourself who owns Reuters??????
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:01
#171556
And to you my masked friend. x'o
And old question with an old answer since nominees are more in vogue than ever. They just do the same old song and dance...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA
Perhaps this is another all around LHL situation...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9jX1KAKp78
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:38
#171607
The Woodbridge Company Limited is a Canadian private holding company and the principal and controlling shareholder (53 percent) of Thomson Reuters. Thomson Reuters was formed in 2008 when The Thomson Corporation acquired Reuters. Woodbridge is the primary investment vehicle for members of the family of the late Roy Thomson, the first Lord Thomson of Fleet.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:46
#171611
Nicely tucked away within the Realm of the Commonwealth.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:15
#171584
The entire main stream media complex has been co-opted for decades. It just becoming so obvious lately that even the walking dead can't help but notice. The key is to break small corruption and evil doer news story along with the occasional big "patsy" fish to convince those who wish to remain dead that the MSM is on the job, watching over America, so the dead can go back to sleep.
Same ole same old.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:49
#171610
The song remains the same. Information management has been a primary focus since WW I. As with finance there is only so much that can be brought forward. The rest remains some dude in a row boat, floating in a toilet bowl, selling chemical bliss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPPBnciNAqI
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:53
#171628
I know that you know that I know that you know. :>)
I just need to say it out loud sometimes to differentiate myself from the terminally insane and the walking dead.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:19
#171652
It would appear as though the brave new world of a 47yo virgin sitting in their basement, drinking a banana broccoli shake and singing mini tunes has arrived.
Me? I am still trying to decide between the T-Bone steak, the jumbo rack of BBQ ribs or the grave fries while I look at the bowl of green jello, a Montecristo #1 and a copy of Playboy while I decide which streets I wanna travel. Here is to bringin' the EF.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:26
#171672
Demolition Man was such an under appreciated film when it came out, simply because Sylvester Stallone was playing lead. It was considered an action flick and not social commentary to the average viewer. I remember it being described as "quirky" in numerous reviews. You watch the film today and your mouth drops at all the little comments made that were so prescient.
John Spartan is my hero in today's homogenized and media controlled environment
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106697/
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 14:24
#171912
in the sequel, John Spartan comes back to a highly violent society to track down the non-violent tax evader Wesley Snipes, who plays himself.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 16:21
#172050
I watched it on a lark once a long time ago. Came away thinking, "no way that was a Sly action movie." It was really kinda creepy.
Once in a while they slip one past the culture police.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:20
#171739
Who's making all this noise? I'm trying to sleep..
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 15:16
#172932
NO SHIT (pun intended), that's Dr. Beeper from Caddy Shack! That's fucking GREAT !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IexH0itz3CQ
"Hmph. Very good."
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:17
#171547
Do they ever report on the Bank closing that happen each week? Seven closed last wk with a total hit to FDIC DIF of over 1 Billion... barely a mention of it.
Now onto Tiger Woods, Al Gore, and meaningless Sports events too numerous to count and your regular sched broadcast.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:05
#171624
We are following a tried and true path first blazed by the Romans as the Roman Republic was transformed into a dictatorship, beginning with the first Caesar. The Rubicon was truly crossed on 9/11.
Bread and circuses for all! The ones for don't participate are too small in numbers to be anything more than an annoyance, like a fly during dinner. If the annoyance gets too bad, they will crank up the media spotlight on the fly "problem" and call for a national day of "patriotic" fly swatting.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:17
#171662
interesting things about flys is that if there's enough garbage lying around, they are able to multiply much faster than you can kill em.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:31
#171677
While I agree with you in principal, in practice the flies can easily be lead astray. Fly paper and sweetened water remain excellent traps. Think about the upcoming TV season, led as always by American Idol and "24". People are not being forced to remain distracted. They willingly congregate in front of the boob tube.
Bread and circuses.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:39
#171684
true dat
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:09
#171720
"You know, whenever Pharaoh wanted to prolong the period of slavery in Egypt, he had a favorite, favorite formula for doing it. What was that? He kept the slaves fighting among themselves. But whenever the slaves get together, something happens in Pharaoh’s court, and he cannot hold the slaves in slavery. When the slaves get together, that’s the beginning of getting out of slavery." - MLK
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:17
#171733
Tip,
We are speaking the same language. I have no doubt about the power of the people. After all, we have the power and we have always had the power. Once (and if) this is realized by the masses, this bulls**t will end quickly.
But I would be delusional if I didn't recognize the power of the distraction we willingly participate in to avoid having to exercise that power. The average person is quite aware of the corruption and wholesale theft occurring in front of their noses. But after decades (centuries) of indoctrination and conditioning, the average Joe believes s/he is powerless and can do nothing about it.
How do we change this? That is the question. We know where the power lay. How do we convince others what we know to be true?
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:00
#171781
The forming basis of many human relationships is the mutually acknowledged shared experience. This chemistry that provides the juice to the power media provides the seeds of its dissolution. The real question is how to move greater society where it looks to the real world for the experiences of life and to others who may happen to be there as a new paradigm index?
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:56
#171785
We don't have to change a thing - just let nature take its course. Mathematics cares not a whit about emotions. Regardless of man's puny attempts to control the value of exchange (money), the market (our collective biological drivers) eventually extracts the true value of production (wealth creation).
We, as a country, simply do not add enough unique value nor produce enough true wealth to finance the current level of government operations, including health care, food, security & living expenditures (pensions/SS). Thus, it will end.
All we see each & everyday are people pretending that death is an illusion. It's not; it's what is called "reality". It comes to governments just as surely as it comes to people. Rarely heroic, oftentimes mundane.
I keep telling people the real tell will be when the respective states begin to issue their own script. The front-line expenditure is unemployment; it is currently being financed nearly 100% by fedgov "stimulus" funds ie Treasury monetization via QE.
The next stage will be interstate script to pay in-state gov't salaries & collect state taxes (payroll, property, sales & income) in order to cover the feeding & housing of in-state unemployed.
The rest, shall we say, will be history as we begin the slow process of de-federalization.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:09
#171803
What's got you scared is the knowledge that the good Roman people in the end did NOT save Rome.
If it desires so badly to burn .... then that is what it needs. Let it burn.
cougar
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:39
#171839
No one has ever stopped these types of runaway trains. However, I remain calm in the knowledge they always run themselves off the tracks at some point of another, usually with a great many casualties.
My only hope is to save as many as I can from getting on the train in the first place. I don't have high hopes in the least that I will succeed to any degree. You can bring a horse to water but...........
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 14:33
#171922
"How do we convince others what we know to be true?"
hearts and minds (emphasis on the AND)?
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 09:54
#171563
Marla once again teeing it up and hitting it like Wallstreetpro2 once upon a time! Congratulations girl and all the best to you and ZH for doing what you do and how you do it.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:01
#171571
Wonder what kind of security Cohen has at that joint? The woods at the back would provide an easy entry and I imagine the safe room is in the newbuild portion of the house.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:09
#171577
Sell everything and close your accounts. Any time you see someone working for Reuters, tell them how much their organization is despised.
Come to think of it, slapping them on the face is a good practice, even if you don't tell them.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:11
#171579
Think back to the Presidential Election when McCain came out with his famous Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. The day before this, McCain was in third place so say Reuters. The day after, he is the choice of the Republicans. I never believed it for a moment nor had faith in any reporting by this conflicted company thereafter.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:18
#171585
Steve Cohen should have talked to the reporter. Something like "yeah, I trade on inside information, what's it to you?" Then, dump the Reuters stock.
Not talking to the reporter, then calling Reuters management -- that's weak. What a pussy is Steve Cohen.
His weakness demonstrates his lack of confidence. He's toast if the law enforcement types want him. I can see it already.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:15
#171811
Yeah, they don't make gangsters like they used to.
Mickey Spillane, we need you!
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:34
#171600
Matt Goldstein is one of the true good guys out there in financial journalism. I urge anyone with a good tip on a scandal or breaking news story to contact him (at the same time as ZH (: )
KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT!
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:35
#171602
this is almost enough to make you wonder if the ethnic clan that dominates finance is the same that dominates in media and that there isn't some sort of nepotism going on.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:22
#171743
And what clan might that be?
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:38
#171605
Marlaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, we—the ZH crowd—love you. Brilliant piece...
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:46
#171615
Goldstein! Goldstein!
-1984
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:46
#171616
over 100 TRILLION in government investment accounts and not a sigh is heard,you follow the heard.Marla?are you any better than the mainstream,or on the fed payroll? CAFR1.com
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 10:50
#171623
Frontline's softball piece on the meltdown was simply odious...I almost wept tears for BoAs CEO until I came to my senses and gave my head a shake.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:07
#171649
It would be just too Booyah! bad if Cramer joined the Court of the I-thought-I-got-away-with-that.
His infamous video should be enough to start that snowball down the mountain (imagine what he knows).
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:07
#171650
Read Greg Zuckerman's article in the WSJ:
Fund Boss Made $7 Billion in the Panic
I quote:
Mr. Teper wasn't the only hedge fund manager who made a killing in 2009, betting on the recovery. Kind of makes you wonder, was this whole "crisis" manufactured by the top banks to concentrate power? Ok, now I am sounding too much like Marx...
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:45
#171691
I would think not, more that the response offered an opportunity to accomplish it. Killing Lehman and Bear was a motive of the favored competitors, that I don't doubt, but the conditions for the crisis go back to the CRA and the '94 Citi redlining suit. I don't expect you to perceive that as the nexus of the crisis, but a strong argument can be made on the cause and effect flow.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:52
#171701
Zuckerman's article is also available for free on Yahoo Finance:
http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/108451/fund-boss-made-7-billion-in-the-panic?mod=career-leadership
Well worth reading it.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:13
#171658
Thanks Marla for a good article. It is a sad day when this country has to rely on a news media without any balls and is controlled by the government.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:15
#171659
The recent Reuters web site redesign tells the whole story: Reuters is not a serious online news outlet, is not serious about online journalism, and is not interested in delivering meaningful information online in a meaningful way.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:20
#171664
one of your best, marla. deep deep deep capture indeed.
great movie, the insider. the green tones in that film were eerily prophetic.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:22
#171667
Check out the Kentucky Tobacco Research Institute. Instead of being located with the UK Medical Center and their research facilities, it's located on an outparcel of the UK football stadium parking lot. It's a one story building about the size of a two car garage with the only windows located up under the eaves of the roof.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:49
#171694
Glocer (CEO of Reuters) says financial information seems so commoditized; I can get pretty good quote of exactly where Yahoo is trading this second. But if I am SAC Capital or Citidel, I don’t just need the current price, I need the entire pricing ladder measured in milliseconds. What is the dark pool market doing, what is the futures market doing. And I need it in a form I can digest. It’s quality, but you also need to really know how they use the information; it is not good enough to simply throw up the content.
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2008/05/28/d-thomson-reuters-ce...
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:51
#171699
honey, bill colby told us before he was murdered by the cia that every single significant news agency in the usa was controlled by the cia....if it is news that the newsfakers control news to manage government agendas including elections of kenyan born persons, i am glad you are waking up but it is a day late and a dollar short...
cbs is a newsfaker par excellence. so is reuters....anyone remember how cnn was shut down cold in 1990s over a documentary about war crimes committed by usa troops in vietnam? how they dragged that old fart westmoreland out of a coma to threaten lawsuits, etc? news is what the cia-fed want it to be....
this is 1984 and has been that way since 1948....
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 11:55
#171708
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:08
#171721
ruh-roh
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:15
#171807
(conspiracy theorists scatter for the exits! only for a little while - it's just not good mojo to be in the same room when she's droppin' the hammer!)
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:18
#171817
****! I forgot to sign out!
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 16:22
#172051
Don't stand under any black helicopters, you'll be fine.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:53
#171784
All I know about Colby was what I read in his book (didn't even know he was dead while reading it)...then found out about his accident when I looked him up on the internet. It does seem a little strange that he would have drowned while canoeing. He was swiftly fired after heading the CIA during some pretty big investigations when Rockefeller kept calling him in and telling him not to be so honest. Did he seem like the type of a guy that was really incompetent with a canoe and was a poor swimmer?
Why does it anger you that people think he may have been murdered? what is better man with integrity gets offed by the elite for questioning and revealing too much info...or ex-CIA chief helped cover up MK Ultra torturing and drug running scams and then died by canoe accident?
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:56
#171786
For the record, I bet he was a very nice man in person. It was very enlightening and kind of him to describe how/why they would create relationships with different political groupd/leaders in Vietnam. It helps my understanding of how controlled opposition works in this country...can't thank him enough for sharing that with the masses.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 21:50
#172331
This is a man who absolutely loved the profession of intelligence. He absolutely loved the agency and did what he did, as perhaps the first DCI to "open the kimono," as a response to the passion he had for the organization and his feeling that its survival depended on a new kind of disclosure.
I think he might have been one of the quiet professionals who always felt that it was possible to be in intelligence and still be "moral," finally given voice in the way that few "field men" ever had. Reflect, for just a moment, on what it meant to be Nixons DCI, and then recall that he was the most open DCI ever to hold the post. Today that might be a much rarer (extinct) breed. Can anyone imagine Obama's... anything... blowing against the wind? I think not.
We used to pester him ceaselessly to indulge us with tales of being a Jedburgh. I think he told us the story his mis-drop over France (and the shocked farmer he woke in the dark) a few dozen times. Each time patiently, passionately, and without even a trace of the boredom that must have accompanied the third repeat telling that day. One story he told always quite particularly changing the name of a certain officer who, he explained, had not yet died- but we all knew who he meant. He was just being polite.
He still blushed, decades after the fact, if you asked him if it was true that he cheated on the vision exam to get into jump school. He was clearly annoyed with Patton for moving fast enough to marginalize the role "Team Bruce" could play in France, but only because his drive to contribute to the anti-fascist effort was his strongest urge and he worried after the morale of his team having trained so long only to be overrun- by Patton.
Much as the family of Mark Pittman found conspiracy theories about his death voiced in comments here shocking and offensive (and said so), so too would Colby's heirs be alarmed and dismayed to hear totally baseless accusations of his death by foul play at the hands of the agency he loved. Certainly, could he see them, Colby himself would find such talk disgusting.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 23:42
#172389
I am moved by your comment (short story). If these men of high integrity are now extinct, what hope is there for liberty?
We, the common folk, attempt to understand the machinations of 'big brother' - and what a damning task it is, to imagine that certain fellow countrymen have been found to be of the foulest material.
There are many (including myself, with limited, freshman knowledge) that consider death by foul play to be an honor. My ignorant peers consider the 'early' death of an honorable individual a reflection of one's integrity in these dark days. We have little validated insight into the twisted intelligence world. If Ron Paul were to be 'suicided', we can only imagine the acute public reaction.
Forgive the unenlightened ones for attempting to pierce the ever-shifting veil of obscurity.
LONG FUCKING LIVE THOMAS JEFFERSON
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 23:59
#172404
+1 Sympathies for the distress caused, Marla. At the same time, do understand that such musings from (most of) us stem from a respect for the integrity, intelligence and service of people such as Mr. Colby - and in this particular case we are far from the first ones to drift in this direction (search for his name and look at the first 5 results). In any case, while speculation here on his death here is not particularly fruitful, I don't believe malice was involved in mentioning it. Try to look at it like Maggie Pittman said 'I do appreciate and understand your thinking and would probably think the same in other circumstances.'
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 10:31
#172586
Ya sorry to anger Marla who I respect...as well as any of Colby's family. However, I don't get to choose what I believe, my brain just looks at the data and makes the probabilities accordingly. My brother is dead...feel free to make up probabilities about his cause of death.
It hurts my dad that I don't believe Jesus was the son of god...but I'm can't alter the output from the brain that I have been given.
Any organization that has been involved in some of the evil things the CIA has been involved in MK Ultra experiments on young girls...has some pretty deep dark stuff that a man like Colby would not be proud of. They don't tell new recruits, "hey come join us, we torture innocent people with sick perverse stuff"...the CIA recruits nice kids who want to do good. The CIA does murder nice people occasionally, like when they put cement powder in baby formula in Cuba in order to create backlash against the cuban government who would be seen as responsible. I can see how many don't want to believe the CIA would kill a good person, but it is incredibly naive.
You think Bush wouldn't kill innocent people? these are the people who sya it was "worth it" to kill several hundred thousand iraqi children through a trade blockade....you really think there is some moral code that would prevent the CIA puppetmasters from killing an american?
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:49
#171777
I didn't source it, but it's interesting.
http://www.pythiapress.com/wartales/colby.htm
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:15
#171723
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 14:15
#171898
good example:
http://america-hijacked.com/2009/12/14/what-christians-dont-know-about-israel/
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 17:07
#172090
Since you tagged that on to my post I want to make myself clear, as it is a delicate subject.
What I posted has nothing to do with Jewish people. The Jewish were used as scapegoats. Their wealth confiscated to fuel the fascist war.
The USA took a large dose of the disease in after WW2 when she sought after and adopted thousands of the fascist professors, scientists and engineers.
Instead of looking towards the Jewish people, look towards the empire that has used the divide and conquer strategy for hundreds of years.
The Dutch/British Establishment/ Not the British people, they are pretty much the same position as the American people.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:16
#171731
[I think perhaps 2 bible verse citations in a single comment might be the limit, 1 if it is a Revelations cite. You exceeded both these metrics by 300%. This is a finance blog, you could at least confine yourself to John 2:15 -Marla]
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 14:13
#171894
LOL, cheers to the prophet for revealing his smackdown. (p.s. John 2:17 is good too)
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:21
#171741
Marla,
Thank you for your commentary and reporting! Reminds me of WGBH Boston and other PBS stations before corporate sponsors took over. As an information professional I really apprecaite your work and that of ZH. Best regards to you and ZH staff for the new year.
IP
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:46
#171748
JFK address to the press:
Warns about the dangers of secrecy
Urges the press to do their job of informing the public and to do it's duty of criticizing the government when it errors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlghYpDx0f4&feature=related
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Another interesting link I just found regarding JFK and the CIA
JFK warned of a coup from the CIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5563viRC2w
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 10:34
#172590
The CIA is a great organization, they would never think of killing americans even if it meant they would get more power.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:40
#171768
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Ephesians 2:2
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Revelation 12:9
"There is no such thing, at this date in the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.
There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the street looking for another job.
If I allowed my honest opinion to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. You know it and I know it. And what folly is this - toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance.
Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
John Swinton - New York Times - New York Press Club
"The news and truth are not the same thing."Walter Lippmann, American journalist, 1889-1974 Rubin Frank, former president NBC News
"News is what someone wants to suppress. Everything else is advertising."
"We tell the people what they need to know, not what they want to know." Frank Sesno, CNN NewsRichard Salent, former pres. CBS News
"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have."
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:02
#171795
I sent the above post to an investigative reporter at the NY Times who was one of my college roommates and remains a close friend. I thought his response was worth posting:
"Yeah, that's pretty crazy. i read about it on gawker yesterday. sadly, it's not that surprising. the stifling of information like this is not terribly uncommon at some newspapers today. there are several reasons for this, a very large one being that many newspapers are struggling so severely when it comes to their finances that they end up making a lot of boneheaded decisions that sacrifice the quality of their journalism. they also end up cutting very intelligent but highly paid reporters and editors and replacing them with a bunch of lackeys who cost less. that's why it bothers me when people cancel their newspaper subscriptions and then complain about a lack of quality journalism. this is the reason we're seeing more and more examples of stuff like this.
what i can't really understand is why the editors at reuters made this decision. but make no mistake: it will have consequences and the story will eventually see the light of day. matt goldstein was reporting on something that's actually public, and several other publications have written about these accusations and will of course keep digging. here for example are the new york times and the wall street journal. i believe we actually had the insider trading story on our front page.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/17/business/17hedge.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=cohen%20and%20hedge%20fund&st=cse
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703581204574600643769832888.html
it's also coming out now that the top editors at reuters are investigating what happened and why the story was squelched. cohen hasn't gotten away with this. he hasn't escaped the scrutiny he deserves. he bought himself some time by somehow persuading some editors at reuters to bury one story. but now those editors have egg all over their faces, and the entire story will keep growing. back in the day we probably would have had the reuters/goldstein story on our front page. but guess what? we just laid off 200 journalists this past year here at the Times. we don't have the resources we once had. and we're not alone. newspapers all over the country are saying goodbye to investigative reporters. and some papers have simply closed up shop and said goodbye to everyone. things are that dire."
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:33
#171834
It's an end-game strategy. If the MSM and news originators had any concerns about their or our or any body's future, they would manage themselves differently.
But there is no future, certainly not anything anyone can point to with the firm conviction that they will be there and personally relevant.
What do you do at the end?
You grab and run. You lie. You push and shove and get as many others BEHIND you as you can, so they drop off the crumbling cliff instead of yourself. And when the end is over and the beginning is begun and everyone is looking around at the other survivors and blinking in the light, they are all thinking exactly the same thought:
"We are the bastards. Every last man Jack did something horrid and evil to be here on this last day of the end and the next generation will be born of our mighty sin. But we're not going to talk about any of that. We're just going to let all that go unsaid. We're going to speak of ourselves as among the chosen, favored by God. We get to write the history of the end and that will be our narrative about ourselves."
Big lies cannot help but become the truth.
cougar
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 15:05
#171953
Our family is fortunate enough to still be able to travel by air somewhat frequently. However, whenever the kids are seated somewhere else other than right next to us (which sometimes happens), I always make a mental map of not only the emergency exits, but how to get to them and then push everyone out of the way as we head for the exits. Fight or flight 101.
There is a huge future - there is always a future. It's just that it might appear be a little different than from what many people are expecting. What is occurring right now? Federalization. Is it sustainable? No - we simply do not produce enough true wealth to afford the federal overhead. Then what is the opposite? De-federalization.
What does this mean? What are the existing natural constituencies? What were the original arguments against the concept of independence in the first place? That 13 separate & distinct colonies lacked any mutual alliances.
How strong is the dollar? What happens to central banking? Will we see a return to regional, hard-money backed free-banking?
Think locally - this is where all economic activity originates and where the centers of influence & power will return (and thrive) once the cancer that is consuming the productive wealth finally kills its own self.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 15:21
#171980
I am crossing my fingers!
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 16:42
#172072
Okay. Fine. In the literal sense that the space-time continuum is continuous in all points of curved local space, there is a future.
I don't imagine it will be even "a little different" from what we understand now. Rather, a lot. Like you won't recognize it. Like you might blow your brains out in shocked dismay on day 1.
If the future is sufficiently different, then history at least gets a do-over. And we (post-industrial technotopian western mankind, and allied clans, and anyone dependent on our largess) are toast. No future them as cannot do for themselves. Sure there will be humans of some kind, just as there will be slime molds of some kind, but the gross continuity of germ plasm is not what we are talking about here.
It can just burn for all I care. The suckness coefficient is high enough that it would be easier to build it over full scratch that to try and salvage anything. Trying to save a bent gear means everything goes in bent.
cougar
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 13:43
#171847
Gotta love a world where a rich guy can still kill a story. What a miserable place this would be if money and power were nullified.
THE VAMPIRE SQUID SHALL SET YOU FREE ONCE ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 14:15
#171897
How is it that everyone is missing the fact that Rubin and his 15 disciples were the ones who committed the most deep and damaging crimes. First of all it was convincing the SEC to increase the leverage ratio from 12:1 to 30:1 - just when the quality of mortgage pools were deteriorating. GS bought a huge amount of CDS protection from AIG - isnt it amazing that the Feds somehow became convinced that Lehman and Bear Sterns could fail - but AIG could not??? Did they disclose that if AIG went under then GS would really be in trouble.
Doesnt anyone realize that all of the big banks have contacts in the DOJ, SEC, CFTC and all other regulatory organizations. Do you think they are pushing the focus to the buyside organizations to take the focus on themselves.
If the buysiders crossed the grey insider trading line then they need to be held accountable - but i will point out that these firms made money without leverage and it was the sell-siders who literally walked into the Fed Reserve Bank and robbed billions of dollars from taxpayers.
If you cant see this - then youre missing whats really happening.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 14:36
#171928
If you deal with the Slippery Snakes in Reality, Marla, others will deal with the Venal Viruses in ITs SurReally Controlled Mirrors in the CyberSpace Field of Live Operational Virtual Environments ........ which you might like to Realise has Created AIMarket of Exceptionally Stealthy Wealth :-)
And the following shared post is intended to Betatest the intelligence of those who participate at and donate their views and information to Zero Hedge. It's a mad, mad, mad world out there, and getting crazier too, for some are getting So Smart as to be Unreal/Out of this World? :-) Merry Xmas and Thanks for All the Phishing.
AIRapid Fox in the Headless Chicken White House?
Posted Tuesday 22nd December 2009 17:27 GMT
Santa delivers a Space Hopping Bubble Pricker/Bouncing Turing Bombe Advisory Notice? Hiding your lights under a bushel leaves everything in cold darkness. Let there be light and warmth generated? A Spirited Holiday Message from the Operations Offices of CyberIntelAIgent Security Theatre.
Posted by: amanfromMars | 12/22/09 | 12:06 pm
And as unpleasant as it may be, is the fate and dispossession of the native American to pioneering white settlers and immigrants as shown in Western Cowboys and Injun Movies reflected in the War of Terror crusades by similar post modern pioneering forces in other occupied "alien" lands with the same modus operandi employed?
Is that Surge the Al Qaeda that all fight to defeat and thus is the battle one to vanquish one's own ignorance and arrogance?
The Smarter Players in such Global Games need only do as was beautifully conveyed in the article we have just read, and share the question for the answer to be clearly registered and recognised.
Further discussion between differing and disparate disciplines will also enhance and speed up resolution and offer deeper and clearer insight on that pressing present problem which a dedicated "expert" team may be blinded to, in much the same way as the E coli experts were hindered by the extent of what they knew as experts in their very limited field in the tale shared here?
Or would you prefer to avoid the issue and sweep it under the White House and Pentagon carpets? You will not be thanked or be thought well of for that deliberate abject failure and abdication of intelligent reasoning and thus would it be best to be bold and explore the bigger picture with an alternative view and alternative views .......for NEUKlearer Vistas and SurReal New Beginnings.
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http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/fail_accept_defeat/
http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2009/12/22/schmidt_cybersecurity...
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 15:33
#171992
this wired article is excellent. C.D. especially should read this one in context of the questions above:
“The scientists had these elaborate theories about what was supposed to happen,” Dunbar says. “But the results kept contradicting their theories. It wasn’t uncommon for someone to spend a month on a project and then just discard all their data because the data didn’t make sense. But experiments rarely tell us what we think they’re going to tell us. That’s the dirty secret of science. The scientists were trying to explain away what they didn’t understand,” Dunbar says. “It’s as if they didn’t want to believe it.” The problem with science, then, isn’t that most experiments fail — it’s that most failures are ignored." [maybe not just science...]
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 06:56
#172483
Did someone just let a Turing-test module loose here on ZH? Wow. It seems CAPTCHA is nowhere near good enough (I wonder if wolframalpha has an API, and if so, could it be used to circumvent CAPTCHA questions?)
The Wired article is indeed an excellent one, nevertheless.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 15:05
#171956
A very well written, well organized, and provocative post. As much as I enjoy the tone of your writing, I really enjoy your perspective. Thanks.
And with your penchant for movie stills, I take you for a film buff.
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 16:16
#172043
Even more reason to believe the BLS as well:
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local-beat/Unemployment-Calls-Overwhelm-Server----79834882.html
on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 17:24
#172116
Perhaps it is not a question of what SAC has invested in Thomson-Reuters but what (if anything) #24 on Forbes Global Billionaires List has invested with SAC.
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 00:16
#172412
Thomson Reuters is an information provider which makes most of its money from its markets division. This group sells information to sales and trading and also investment and advisory customers.
Their news organization (a much smaller revenue producer) is unlikely to go against the firm's customers.
As always, nicely done, ZH. Keep on keepin' on.
on Wed, 12/23/2009 - 00:58
#172428
We've captured each other, eh?
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