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Samples Confirm Corexit Ingredients In Gulf Spill Area Far Above Toxic Concentrations

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Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:22 | 458724 firstdivision
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Remind me why we care about whiny little pensions in Britain again? 

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:57 | 458821 rsi1
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Top institutional holders:

Some are custodians, yes.. but I dont see many Plcs in there.. lots of US names.. the UK pensions are exposed yes, but I dont think that badly. And no, you do not care about them, but pensions in the US do.

State Street Global Advisors (US) 43,453,340 31/03/10 13F 723,669 1.69% 0.49% 1.39% Wellington Management Company, LLP 34,841,626 31/03/10 13F 3,165,145 9.99% 0.74% 1.11% Barrow, Hanley, Mewhinney & Strauss, Inc. 16,700,677 31/03/10 13F 2,099,861 14.38% 2.05% 0.53% State Farm Insurance Companies 13,052,048 31/03/10 13F 0 0.00% 1.63% 0.42% T. Rowe Price Associates, Inc. 12,442,139 31/03/10 13F 348,288 2.88% 0.27% 0.40% Columbia Management Advisors, LLC 11,976,119 31/03/10 13F -769,792 -6.04% 0.57% 0.38% Fidelity Management & Research 7,826,686 31/03/10 13F -300,889 -3.70% 0.08% 0.25% Tradewinds Global Investors, LLC 7,436,248 31/03/10 13F 126,460 1.73% 2.25% 0.24% Cascade Investment, L.L.C. 7,133,000 31/03/10 13F 2,500,000 53.96% 2.37% 0.23% Goldman Sachs Asset Management (US) 6,025,387 31/03/10 13F -4,680,822 -43.72% 0.36% 0.19% PNC Wealth Management 5,407,184 31/03/10 13F -1,179,411 -17.91% 0.85% 0.17% Van Kampen Asset Management 5,110,116 31/03/10 13F -32,149 -0.63% 0.59% 0.16% FAF Advisors, Inc. 4,936,312 31/03/10 13F -98,593 -1.96% 0.94% 0.16% Wells Fargo Bank, N.A. 4,540,623 31/03/10 13F 2,398,870 112.00% 0.63% 0.14% ClearBridge Advisors 4,427,590 31/03/10 13F 393,019 9.74% 0.47% 0.14% Columbia Management Investment Advisers, LLC 4,323,091 31/03/10 13F -116,033 -2.61% 0.41% 0.14% Morgan Stanley Smith Barney LLC 4,107,143 31/03/10 13F 525,969 14.69% 0.42% 0.13% Northern Trust Global Investments 3,982,422 31/03/10 13F -151,354 -3.66% 0.42% 0.13% Fiduciary Management, Inc. 3,873,284 31/03/10 13F 308,780 8.66% 3.24% 0.12% BNY Mellon Wealth Management 3,609,331 31/03/10 13F -146,998 -3.91% 0.78% 0.12%
Thu, 07/08/2010 - 15:15 | 458866 firstdivision
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Thanks for posting that, and it shows the true reason O-bam-ah thinks that a Chapter 13 by BP would be detrimental to the economy.

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 15:46 | 458958 WaterWings
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Admiral Thad "Do what BP says" Nelson:

We are committed to providing the American people access to complete and accurate information about our response to the BP oil spill and the resources available to assist those directly impacted. RestoreTheGulf.gov will provide even greater transparency and openness about the BP oil spill, our historic response, the tools available to assist Gulf Coast communities, and plans for the region's long-term recovery and restoration.

Is this guy gonna run for Prez in 2012 or what?

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 15:53 | 458972 Crummy
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You know that thing they use to push the meat into the grinder so you don't lose your hand when making ground beef?

Yeah, from now on that's called a "Thad".

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 16:04 | 459004 MsCreant
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Is that like a hanging Thad?

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 16:51 | 459196 Crummy
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Hanging out to dry.

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 21:53 | 459791 ED
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Well, thank God for healthcare reform, aye?! LOL

Fri, 07/09/2010 - 08:20 | 460185 blindfaith
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Hey Admiral Chad..  propylene glycol....humm, isn't that the stuff in 'KY' and 'Glide' that makes 'taking it' sooo much more fun?????

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 18:24 | 459434 Marla And Me
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You mean to say Chapter 11.

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 22:32 | 459838 myshadow
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JP Morgan Chase Bank, holding 27.74% of the total ordinary issued share capital (excluding shares held in treasury) as the approved depositary for ADSs, a breakdown of which is shown in the table below. right from BP's website
There is a HUGE conflict of interest in JP Morgan's analyst they are trying to keep BP's share price from completely collapsing .

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 20:21 | 459650 russki standart
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The Obamanation is protecting BP by allowing the US coast guard to serve as their lackeys. We need independent 3rd party evidence to measure toxicity and provide an unbiased opinion. Where the hell is Greenpeace, Sierra Club and the rest of the eviro-nazis when you need them...perhaps in BPs pocket...follow the money.

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 20:23 | 459652 russki standart
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Re  British Pensioners, ... F@ck them. They can sue BP to get their money back.

Fri, 07/09/2010 - 07:56 | 460165 fajensen
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Be-cause the British fund managers leveraged the BP shares about a 100 times and bought lots and lots of "AAA" Fannie & Freddie toilet-paper with the money - to help out The One?

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:23 | 458725 jbc77
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I'll never swim at another Florida beach again in my life. Take a 100 years clear that shit from the water. Wouldn't let my kid take one step in Florida sand either. Shit is everywhere.

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:28 | 458736 Ragnarok
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The spill off Mexico took about 30 years to get mostly back to normal.... still, 30 years is a long fucking time.

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 15:57 | 458986 Turd Ferguson
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Wow. Definitely worth the 10 minutes to watch.

I really don't even know what to say. It's July 8. What will the world, our country, look like by August 8 or November 8. The "toxicity of ground zero" comparison works for me to some degree but this seems far worse. I truly fear for the survival of the Republic (or what's left of it).

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 16:47 | 459180 Sisyphus
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Okay, now, whom do you believe? The above video makes you feel that the Gulf will be a dead zone shortly. And then you read a comment like the one below from Noah Vail and wonder who is telling the truth.


I've been telling you all along that this spill is grossly over-hyped and propagandized. I live exactly 120 miles from that well and for three months I've tried to find oil on our beach and so far have found none. BP's ultimate liability is going to be a lot less than people think, even Reggie Middleton. I don't need to convince anyone, just come down here and look for yourself. So far they've found less than 1,500 dead birds and maybe ten fish in three months of non stop Armageddon propaganda by the leftist, greenie, anti oil media- the  same media that gets rich selling ads for SUVs.


Thu, 07/08/2010 - 17:59 | 459377 fuu
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Uh maybe Noah is just full of shit.

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 18:13 | 459410 Citizen of an I...
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So far they've found less than 1,500 dead birds and maybe ten fish...


The man you're quoting is laughably, horribly, foolishly naive...and his grammar for shit.

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 19:44 | 459608 myshadow
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the dead creatures sink and rot....

The willful stupidity of some people guarantee sarah palin a paycheck.

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 20:28 | 459658 russki standart
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Noah Vail is a sack of sh@t shilling for BP or talking his book. Either way, he is full of BS. If the spill was grossly overhyped, the BP eco-swine would allow you to take a look and would not spend money on dispersants to hide the size of the spill.  There is too much independent evidence to believe this clown... just check out youtube or the oildrum.com and form your own opinion

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 22:48 | 459847 barkingbill
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well anybody that talks about "leftist, greenie, anti oil media" is a scumbag in my opinion. the media in the u.s. is anything but leftist...god im so sick of the b.s. in this god forsaken delusional land. hey guys, guess what? it's the commies! its the commies, and the collectivists, and those evil socialists, they have come to rape your women and they are disguised as big mega corporations like BP....its so evil.....its those leftist mega corporations mixed with the ghost of that evil Che and Ted Kennedy and most of sweden and they are just destroying the reputation of the good people in the oil industry. oh its soo horrible


and you know what they solution is? just give the mega corporations more money!...yes and lower their taxes and lower everybodies taxes cuz no poor mama gonna get my money...and hey lets build those death stars tho, and lets make sure the military budget is from here to mars, cuz we need it cuz the commies are commin...the commies are commin 

Fri, 07/09/2010 - 08:50 | 460225 ATG
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That was shallower, warmer water.

The 2 degree water at the bottom of Macondo Canyon defeats most biological organisms breaking the oil down, if the Corexit does not kill them.

Basically what we are talking about is deliberate Major Coverup by BP, Coast Guard, DOI Fish & Wildlife, EPA, GS, NLC, NOAA, O, XOM and hired accomplices including academics and security guards re the systematic poisoniong of the Gulf air, land and water that put 21 million residents at risk.

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:30 | 458743 NOTW777
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yeah, but just think of all the green jobs obama will create out of this


Thu, 07/08/2010 - 20:29 | 459661 russki standart
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yeah, for BP, Al Gore, the CCX and the rest of the cabal. Meanwhile, the US taxpayers will take it again, greek style.

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 15:08 | 458833 ptoemmes
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All of Florida?

Down here in South East Florida we dump raw sewage into "ocean access" canals every so often - the 2 million gallons a few weeks ago come to mind.

Microbes probably like that too but ...


Fri, 07/09/2010 - 08:52 | 460229 ATG
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This is essentially dinosaur sewage, and what is floating on top is a tiny fracgtion of what is underwater creating a toxic dead zone spreading from the Gulf to the Atlantic.

Fri, 07/09/2010 - 08:52 | 460230 ATG
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This is essentially dinosaur sewage, and what is floating on top is a tiny fraction of what is underwater creating a toxic dead zone spreading from the Gulf to the Atlantic.

Fri, 07/09/2010 - 09:03 | 460241 blindfaith
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You sir...should work for the MSM.  You are very good at slanting the facts, making them sound to your liking. 

Here is a quote from the Miami newspaper on the subject...an accident, a break in the main pipe...not some scheduled planned event done at night to escape the eye of the public.

Shame on you. 

"A major sanitary sewer main broke on Friday along the Miami River, causing millions of gallons of raw sewage to be dumped into the river and ..."

Fri, 07/09/2010 - 08:26 | 460190 blindfaith
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now if you are that careful about what crap food and drink enters their little bodies, maybe they can live long enough to go to the beach again.  Indeed, shit is everywhere, look in your own kitchen.

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:25 | 458729 wafflehead
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we need to spread this information to as many people as possible and hope the main media picks up the story.

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:35 | 458757 EscapeKey
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The main media picks it up... hahahahahahahahaha... good one! Thanks for the laugh.


Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:43 | 458773 Cognitive Dissonance
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Agreed. MSM is, and has always been, in bed with the powers that be. Do not expect salvation from the MSM.

"We are willing to provide ANY respected/known laboratory these samples or provide them with more."

Sadly, if they wish to remain a "respected/known laboratory" they will never touch "these samples" because the PTB have explained very carefully where the consensus opinion is regarding what's going down in the Gulf. "Nothing to see here, now move along."

Tyler, you're asking a corporation to exhibit moral courage and risk it's bottom line survival. Not in a blue moon will that happen, unless it's a family owned private lab that doesn't do government or large corporation work.

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:51 | 458797 traderjoe
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CD, don't think Tyler is asking a corporation to do that. In fact, acknowledging the opposite (your scenario) will happen. Don't mean to speak for him. 

Enjoyed your comments on the other string this morning. Thx.


Thu, 07/08/2010 - 17:01 | 459231 Cognitive Dissonance
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I saw the quotation marks but didn't stop to think who was being quoted. Of course it wasn't Tyler now that I think about it. Amazing what happens when I use the 10 lbs of gray matter. Thanks for pointing out the obvious to me. Once again, I break my rule about reading something at least twice before acting on it and I burn myself. :>)

Fri, 07/09/2010 - 08:33 | 460199 ATG
Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:53 | 458803 Almost Solvent
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Time to move project mayhem to the next phase.

Start collecting Gulf water and mail it to top executives & politicians across the country through the USPS so that the water spills out as soon as the package is opened.

"Ewwww, what's this crap? OMFG! Gulf water?!?!? NOOOOO! I got it all over me!! Call 911! Call the USPS! They can't ship toxic materials without a permit!!!"

But wait, it's just pure wholesome 100% healthy Gulf water.

**Tastes like Happy**

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:58 | 458824 The Rock
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**Smells Like Teen Spirit** too


Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:26 | 458732 Careless Whisper
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Propylene Glycol

A cosmetic form of mineral oil found in automatic brake and hydraulic fluid and industrial antifreeze. In the skin and hair, propylene glycol works as a humescent, which causes retention of moisture content of skin or cosmetic products by preventing the escape of moisture or water. The Material Safety Data Sheet warns users to avoid skin contact with propylene glycol as this strong skin irritant can cause liver abnormalities and kidney damage.



Fri, 07/09/2010 - 08:54 | 460203 ATG
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Good idea to cache former MSDSs

as Nalco et al eliminated references

to red blood cell, kidney and liver

damage that zapped Exxon Valdez cleanup workers...

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:26 | 458733 doublethink
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Just wait until the first direct hit hurricane showers the Gulf Coast and areas inland. A hard rain's a'gonna fall.


Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:41 | 458772 WaterWings
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The South will be easier to control now. Guns for food. Martial law will be a cinch.

Fri, 07/09/2010 - 08:55 | 460232 ATG
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Burning rain.

Crops already failing.


Thu, 07/08/2010 - 14:28 | 458737 Jim in MN
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Both CNN and MSNBC last night featured a marine scientist from UCSB who has been requesting to lead a study on simply where the oil fractions are going in the water and why.  He has had Congressman Markey and others officially asking BP to get back to him.

BP hasn't gotten back to him.

The public is not supposed to know what is really going on.  Another news article today states that BP has acknowledged a 20% rate of exposure among cleanup workers, similar to the Exxon Valdez toxins.  Personally on this site I calculated that a 100 million gallon release could technically 'poison' (over the thresholds usually mentioned, actually twice that to be conservative) roughly one third of the Gulf, if it mixed perfectly.  Sadly, that was a month ago with lower release rate estimates.  We passed that point a while ago.  I stopped calculating. 

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 15:34 | 458919 RichardP
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Did you calculations account for the new water from the oceans that is constantly being swept into the gulf?


Thu, 07/08/2010 - 15:58 | 458990 SilverIsKing
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All new water has to stay at least 65 feet from the entrance to the gulf or it will be arrested.

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 16:05 | 459006 thesapein
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Hey, not very constructive. The calculation can still give us a number to work with. I don't think he meant for it to replace any dynamic modeling. 

Thu, 07/08/2010 - 16:12 | 459041 Jim in MN
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The Gulf is very complex that way.  A lot comes in and then exits (Loop Current) but around the margins water stays for a long time (dead zones etc.).  I was more interested in the idea that the NE quadrant could be impacted in a 'total wipeout' fashion.  If there are enough storms and/or the Loop Current meanders up in there it would help to dilute things...but for the most part I am afraid that 'refreshment' from the N Atlantic gyre isn't going to do much for the NE Gulf margin. 

No, no dynamic modeling.  Somebody get on that......please......

Fri, 07/09/2010 - 09:03 | 460242 ATG
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Before they were sanitized, the MSDS required goggles and respirators for those coming into direct contact with Nalco Corexit, also corrosive to boat hulls.

The EPA just rolled over on this one.

Who got paid off? Air Force Reserve C-130 Hercules sprayed Corexit

over land, people and water.

MSDS sheets changed in recent days to avoid liability, although they still say:

Do not contaminate surface water.

Compare Nalco Sheet now to Wikipedia before:







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