Schizophrenic Sentiment Turns Positive Following Another Potential European Bond Market Intervention, "Strong" Greek, Spanish Auctions

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Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:23 | 1469462 Debt Rolling
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Trichet intervened this morning (europ. time) at the opening.

That will be confirmed in the week course. He always targets the sole countries whose yields have not yet spiralled out of control, which makes some amusing decouplings. 

There was a directed buying, that's for sure. The China hypothesis could be valid, but the ECB could also use indirect ways to do the bidding, as it has already exceeded the promised amount of SMP purchases (credibility to maintain, and all that).

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:21 | 1469464 Dick Darlington
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These erratic moves in Italian and Spanish gubbermint bonds are mostly a sideproduct of the chaotic situation in eurozone. Liquidity is VERY VERY bad and markets can move 15-20 bps just like that. But that's irrelevant as has been proved by the other insolvent countries. Despite these back and forth moves the ultimate direction is clear and no, it's not the banker's spread tightening mantra that's gonna win the jackpot.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:27 | 1469473 ZeroPower
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Everybodys doing the betting on those countries via CDS. If you have bbg check out the amount of desks recently sending their prices. Decent spreads too.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 08:11 | 1469534 equity_momo
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And all those long CDS expecting to get paid out once these PIIGs default is smoking crack.

The only way to hedge sov risk exposure is to sell it. If you want to profit from the BK of these nations , fking around in CDS is not the way to do it.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 09:12 | 1469700 ZeroPower
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I think only HFs have their risk dept (if any) cracked out enough to allow them to take on CDS with no underlying bond hedge.

However, selling those ITA names against long german banks cds (besides commerzbank today - have you seen that!) has been quite a pair trade.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:21 | 1469465 chump666
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The china bulls must be sh*ting in their panties.  EZ yields will still climb and china will be left junk.  china will offically be 'bad' bank with slew of depreciating assets.  so i dunno if they will buy up en masse...the cartels have lost their minds

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:22 | 1469466 depression
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Marx just rolled over in his grave

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:22 | 1469467 Vampyroteuthis ...
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This crash is being planned to unfold slowly to allow the banksters to profit. One day panic, next solitude. Once the robbing is done, the plug will then finally be pulled on the patient.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:23 | 1469468 misterc
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Gold coins getting scarce in Berlin / Germany. One cannot go out and buy 15 Oz right away.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:31 | 1469477 Bard
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In Poland many dealers are selling with 45 day delivery (business day) which means more than two months :D.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:23 | 1469469 AUD
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Yeah but the speculators are still happy to pick up the extra pennies that the central banks throw in front of the steamroller of bad debt.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:25 | 1469470 Bard
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I sold all my stocks today - im going to buy more gold. Im wondering if they could reverse the market sentiment completly. Do you think that after thursday EU meeting and debt ceiling rise markets will go crazy UP UP UP ?

btw. greetings from Poland, im new here.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:39 | 1469484 Quintus
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Absolutely.  IF (Big if) anything concrete and meaningful is achieved on Thursday, we can expect the Eurogroup leaders to spin it as though the Angels had come down from heaven and made all the problems of the world disappear.

Meanwhile when the Kabuki show in Washington ends with the inevitable debt ceiling agreement, Obama will likewise be announcing that the world has been saved. 

Couple this will the long expected, traditional, takedown of Gold into the Options Expiry next Tuesday and I think you would wise to hold off putting any money into Gold for a few days.

This reprieve for the equity and bond markets will be brief, I should think, but the bounce could be substantial nevertheless.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:29 | 1469474 Roger Knights
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"... china will be left junk."

Not if the eurocrats have secretly pledged European gold as collateral.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:46 | 1469492 Internet Tough Guy
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Anyone who has euros has access to gold through official channels. No pledge necessary.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:49 | 1469496 AnAnonymous
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Why would the Chinese accept this kind of deal as they know that the Europeans will not hold to it?

The Chinese have dealt over something they are sure to be delivered and I only see junk at this day and hour, with Europeans involved at the other side of the deal.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:32 | 1469475 disabledvet
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The Japanese did complain about "excessive buying of their debt" by Chinese authorities prior to Fukushima. This could far more easily be explained in my view simply by calling it "reactions to irrational policy decisions" by the ECB. In other words "if the sovereigns are no good to the ECB then i should start buying the banks" because that is as we all know what the ECB is charged with protecting and in actuality is bailing out and not the individual nations at all. Of course "what to do when the Greek banks no longer buy Greek debt?" Hmmmmm. Sounds expensive. And working at cross purposes. And not going to work. And "TIME TO BLAME EVIL SPECULATORS"..."like all those evil Zero Hedge people."

scary how a cartoon can say so much. i think economic policy better improve.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:32 | 1469479 Silverhog
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Waiting for the Feds to announce their bogus compromise like it's a fresh breeze blowing in over the country. Metals will get beaten down for their insolence. Of course, next week we stand on the edge of the same cliff again.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:36 | 1469481 Internet Tough Guy
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The euro isn't going away.

6/14/98 ANOTHER

ANOTHER: Your question of Euro gold backing? The Euro will not be backed or fixed in gold. It will be the first "modern currency" to hold true "exchange reserves" in gold. It is important to understand that "exchange reserves" of gold are much more powerful a tool for currency defense than gold backing!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:39 | 1469482 midnight
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A quick question: is anyone here butthurt because China is cooperating with Europe?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:52 | 1469502 Internet Tough Guy
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Everyone who hopes that Europe will implode.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:41 | 1469485 Josephine29
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Some care is needed Tyler as we are not yet sure that the ECB did not intervene in these markets as pointed out here.

Either the ECB genuinely didnt buy any Italian or Spanish govt bonds last week or it dealt for forward settlement. @notayesmansecon
They might have dealt for forward settlement in which case we will find out next week.
Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:44 | 1469487 razorthin
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What the fuck is wrong with the Chinese?  Why they need to expose themselves to the ponzi is beyond me.  When you are solvent, as only they are, it seems a hell of a lot more prudent to stay the fuck out, let everything the fuck fall, and then buy real assets free and clear with cash (gold).

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:58 | 1469517 AnAnonymous
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What the fuck is wrong with the Chinese? Why they need to expose themselves to the ponzi is beyond me.


Europe, the US and Japan are too big to fail. Do you really think that part of the world will take due pain as a consequence of their actions because they deserve it or will it try to look for a scapegoat to take the pain instead?

Volunteering for the job as the Chinese do is a kind of way to keep control on the process.

The Chinese are perfectly aware that in this US driven world, people are not for taking responsibility for the mess they made, they support looking for people to clean the mess for them.

If at this point, the Chinese do not play ball, the West is going to destroy them. Simple as coercion.


Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:44 | 1469488 Highrev
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Two sides to every trade.

Someone sees nice yields and someone else the end of the world.

Which do you think is the more probable?

That having been said, from a purely technical point of view, I don't think we've got our intermediate term bottom yet.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:48 | 1469494 lookma
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Unlike Tyler (, China doesn't seem too concerned about the "limited" amount of gold held by the ECB. 

I wonder why? Made its the eurosystem ( that counts? (

Maybe its not about a return to a classic gold standard, so CB reserves aren't the important part? (  Myabe its, as Mises would put it, about the development of a stable secondary media of exchange? 


Tyler, you are way too smart to confine youself to the self imposed intellectual prison of the FAIL WHALE that is Team GATA.  Wake UP!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:54 | 1469507 Internet Tough Guy
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Tue, 07/19/2011 - 08:27 | 1469557 Peter K
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So a sovereign is buying his own debt. Can we now say that Euroland is in the QE mode?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 08:54 | 1469641 milanitaly
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China buy our bonds for a simple reason. They want to go on exporting goods in Europe.

Higher Euro more Chinese exports. Italians think that saving Euro we save ourself but we can't grow up without a depreciation of Euro.

We are playing a game that can be sustainable only by German corporates. The other European Countries shall face a real bad future, paying more taxes for nothing.


Tue, 07/19/2011 - 09:20 | 1469720 snowball777
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Exactly. No one complained when they were buying USTs against all reason to keep the host's blood moving, but they may find out that saving a drowning man can require some mad swimming skills in short order.


Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:38 | 1470378 DrunkenMonkey
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It's funny how the (corporate shill) media goes insane about European debt issues at the same time as the US needs people to look in a different direction, while the kleptocrats try and kick the can a little further along ..

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