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SEC Admits Cluelessness About Market Crash After Intimate Meeting With Guilty Parties Who Refuse To Take Blame

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It appears that the SEC's extensive deliberations on what the cause for Thursday's crash was, have yielded no answers. Mary Schapiro, proving again that she is nothing less than an intellectual titan, met with all the guilty parties in last week's market crash, in a meeting in which shockingly, none admitted that the crash was all their doing directly and indirectly. Bloomberg reports: "The chief executive officers of NYSE Euronext, Nasdaq OMX
Group Inc., Bats Global Markets Inc., Direct Edge Holdings LLC,
International Securities Exchange Holdings Inc. and CBOE
Holdings Inc. saw no evidence that a mistaken order caused the
plunge, according to the people, who asked not to be named
because the discussions were private." No, instead of raising their hands and saying it was all their fault, the execs all said that the SEC needs... circuit breakers. Which is funny cause the market already had those in overabundance. We all saw how much good curbs and circuit breakers did when the Dow was dropping by 100 points every second. So sure, let's deflect a little longer until the next market structure induced crash comes, which will take the market down by not 10% but 30%, 40%, or more. And, as usual, the SEC will say "Well, we tried, but nobody really foresaw this." And that wold be ironic, because even though the SEC could be excused for not reading blogs or anything else that is not linking externally from www.transvestitemidgetporn.com, one would think they do on occasion turn on Bloomberg TV. Which is why we bring your attention to this clip from February of this year, in which Themis' Joe Saluzzi pretty mich predicted to the dot what would happen. And instead of consulting with those who actually predicted the whole collapse, the SEC instead seeks advice from the parties responsible for the crash, and whose entire business model is dependant on perpetuating the status quo. This is the thought process of an an agency which receives $1 billion in taxpayer funding each year.

In the clip below, fast forward to 4:30.

 

 


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Mon, 05/10/2010 - 18:49 | Link to Comment Turd Ferguson
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This is all such a fucking joke, it can hardly be believed.

In this surreal, upside-down world, anything is now possible.

 

If you are an Average Joe, just trying to get by, saving for retirement or your kids' college education, GET OUT OF THE STOCK MARKET!!! The market is run by gangsters and thieves who will fuck you every which way to Friday. Oh sure, you might make a little bit of money if you happen to tag along for the ride on one of their manipulations. But, over time, you're gonna get bent over like a cheap, Las Vegas whore.

 

Invest in gold and your own, personal business. Everything else is a fuck job. 

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 18:54 | Link to Comment Turd Ferguson
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Please excuse all the F-bombs. Just pissed. Fed up. Sick of the lies.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 20:04 | Link to Comment Kaiser Sousa
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no apologies required....

 

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 21:31 | Link to Comment Hulk
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I drop the F-bombs too when I can't take anymore. Not proud of it, bit it does get the mental attitude at the time point across. If you ever figure out how to throw and break things over the internet, let me know. I am real good at that...

Tue, 05/11/2010 - 00:06 | Link to Comment Unscarred
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All kidding aside, every commercial enterprise in our world is run by "gangsters and thieves who will fuck you every which way to Friday."  Everyone is out to break it off in you.  Even when the rare friendly soul extends their right hand to greet you with a smile, they're only doing so in a covert effort to pick your pocket with their left hand.  Better to decline the greeting, keep your left hand over your junk, your right hand over your ass, and your head on a swivel.

It just so happens that the stakes are infinitely higher in the world of global finance.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 19:19 | Link to Comment Trial of the Pyx
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"In this surreal, upside-down world, anything is now possible."

 

Anything, it would appear, except fair dealing, honor, or common sense.

Tue, 05/11/2010 - 02:13 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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If you stay in a fiat currency you're going to get screwed. They'll screw you in gold as long as they can.

But make no mistake. These systems are coming down. It's just a matter of if they can push people to more obfuscated, perception controlled existance or not.

Count your beans even though they've been replaced with poison drug capsules.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 19:52 | Link to Comment TheGoodDoctor
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Aren't there transaction logs? Can't they determine who did what based on that?

I mean really?

I'm with you Turd. I'm mad about 10 ways to Sunday.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 20:06 | Link to Comment Sisyphus
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<msacras>

Mr./Ms Fergusion, you are way too negative with your opinion. I think they should avoid gold like a plague and buy a house, no buy houses; heck help your neighbors to buy another house and then help his mistresses/mistersess buy another house. Home prices never go down. My BFF Ben and Barney said so.

"My advice to all Americans -- if you don't own a home today now's the time to buy one," Paulson said. "If you already own one, now's the time to buy another one. If you already own two, it's time to help your children buy a home."

A solid housing market should "cement" stronger-than-expected economic growth, Paulson said, forecasting GDP to expand 4% to 5% in 2011.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/european-debt-crisis-manageable-paulson-says-2010-05-10-144600?pagenumber=2

</msacras>

 

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 21:45 | Link to Comment TheGoodDoctor
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My God I thought this was a joke at first! What a douchebag! Buying houses is the answer! Right in front of my fucking nose and I couldn't see it! Thanks Hank!

If he expects such great corporate earnings - just wait; after awhile once inflation hits my guess is those earnings won't be so great when the overtaxed, over fee-ed, no home buying, lazy, no job motherfuckers, can't buy the products from the American companies that they helped build with their jobs now gone overseas and the products being made overseas too. /sarcasm off

This time it is different.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 22:35 | Link to Comment Problem Is
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"Buying houses is the answer!"

Or As the brilliant Jesse once photo-shop quoted Obummer:

Jesses Cafe Americain

"Jobs? You don't need no stinkin' jobs! You need loans!"

"Is that what you wanted me to say, Ben?"

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 23:41 | Link to Comment Votewithabullet
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Wrong Paulson. Both billionairs. One, mouth open, the other...not so much. In fact i'm looking for him...I want to vote for him...so to speak.

Tue, 05/11/2010 - 01:00 | Link to Comment TheGoodDoctor
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My bad. I missed that. I could see that coming from Hank too. What does John Paulson have a REIT that he is looking to make some money on now? LOL.

Tue, 05/11/2010 - 03:12 | Link to Comment Boop
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A contrary opinion: CHART OF THE DAY: The Overhang That Will Smother Any Housing Recovery

Gregory White and Kamelia Angelova | May. 10, 2010, 3:10 PM

Housing continues to be a serious problem for the U.S. economy with a tremendous amount of unsold overhang remaining in the system. This means that more than 7 million homes remain weighing down the market, due to bank's having repossessed them or the loans being in delinquency.

It's interesting to note, per this chart from Whitney Tilson's T2 Partners, this does not include new defaults, which are around 300,000 per month.

Tue, 05/11/2010 - 07:13 | Link to Comment Freewheelin Franklin
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Thank you, I do invest in my own, personal business. However, my business is in the building trades, which has taken a substantial hit this past year. I'm thinking about getting out and buying a recession proof business; a bar.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 18:49 | Link to Comment Rainman
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I'd bet SEC could fuck things up less with a $ 5 billion budget. But you'd have to give me big odds.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 19:55 | Link to Comment Cistercian
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 They could always stimulate the economy thru their "download" activity.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 18:51 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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Never underestimate the moronisphere.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 20:24 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I found the problem.

"....saw no evidence that a mistaken order caused the plunge...."

They're looking for something that's not there. There was no "mistaken order" thus there are no mistaken orders to find. Neither will they find something called "liquidity" if they decide they need to look for that because that too was missing last Thursday. You can't find what isn't there and you can't see what you're not looking for.

That was easy. Where do I send the bill?

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 20:53 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Very astute observations as usual CD...

Seems there are a lot of things missing from the markets these days... don't forget transparency, regulation, level playing field, me...

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 22:21 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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+1000

Tue, 05/11/2010 - 01:27 | Link to Comment timhinchliff
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Thats it alright CD. What we need is like that submarine sonar where they look for patches of water with no noise as thats where the baddy subs are. We just need to look at patches of market where nothing is happening. Thats where everything will be hiding, liquidity, mistaken orders, a strong economy, Lehman bros and all the bad trades I have ever made. It all makes sense.

Just remember: Nothing to see here.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 22:42 | Link to Comment Problem Is
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"Never underestimate the moronisphere."

The difference between an idiot and a moron?
The moron thinks he knows what he is talking about...

Between-ness Axiom #1

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 18:52 | Link to Comment dumpster
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on a bell curve those in government service

are at the very end on the sorry side of the curve

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 18:54 | Link to Comment dumpster
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especially the appointed ones.

they are there as a favor for a political donation,

wear good looking suits, ties ,  shine their shoes .

and spit  

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 18:57 | Link to Comment wang
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posted Max Keiser theory in another thread located here http://bit.ly/aOaWvi

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 19:36 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Yeah, TD is wrong in assuming the SEC is trying to find the issue.  They aren't.  They already know why the market tanked.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 22:44 | Link to Comment Problem Is
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Too much SEC porn downloading was hogging all the bandwidth pushing the HFT trading data right out into the street?

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 21:01 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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The timing is the giveaway...

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Dr. Cordell
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Same attitude is kicking around NYSE Market Surveillance.  Tried as best I could to remove heads from asses, but it just didn't seem to take.  Friday's my last day, sorry everyone.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 19:20 | Link to Comment dumpster
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DR,, nice try

sorry to see some one go who had a clue,

 

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 19:11 | Link to Comment Brett in Manhattan
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Whoever was responsible was aware of the circuit breakers and worked around them. At the NYSE, trading is halted after a 1050 drop, UNLESS it occurs after 2:30 then the drop increases to 2150 before trading is halted.

Didn't the drop take place at 2:40?

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 19:13 | Link to Comment partimer1
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They really should listen to that panic audio from the pit.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 19:17 | Link to Comment tippy
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I don't think it was a computer glitch. A Black Swan event of unknown magnitude waiting to surface sounds about right.

 

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 19:18 | Link to Comment Janice
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The banksters took it down, mafia style intimidation

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 19:21 | Link to Comment Trial of the Pyx
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I am calling it a "weapons grade liquidity withdrawal demonstration"

 

WWIII, transnational capitol vs. everything

Tue, 05/11/2010 - 09:07 | Link to Comment wiskeyrunner
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You correct, Janice.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 19:30 | Link to Comment BlackBeard
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That retarded HFT girl that got torn up by Saluzzi about a year ago reemerges on CNBC:

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232/?video=1487363426&play=1

She is still incomprehensible and stupid sounding.

 

Oh yes, and Joe makes a guest appearance to stomp on her head yet again.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 20:10 | Link to Comment CPL
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Glad joe was in the thick of it.  The only thing that bugged me was the closing comment on her starting to blame people putting in a stop loss.  How is leaving instructions are a share now a captial offense?

 

It was interesting that nobody mentioned the blindingly obvious.

 

Turn off the HFT server racks and ban them outright.  This is "correction" number five in four years (1 in 2007, 2 in 2008, 1 2009 and now 2010).  Now we are waiting for glitch number 6.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 20:53 | Link to Comment CD
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Here is another gem from Sept. 2009 (!) from Ms. Irene Aldridge and Jon Stewart's crew:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-30-2009/cash-cow---high-frequency-trading

Some people you just can't get through to, no matter how many times the obvious hits them over the head.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 19:33 | Link to Comment Roger O. Thornhill
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I predict the final outcome is that Martha Stewart goes back to jail.

No point in dealing with the Goldman or JPM corruption.

Just put Martha back in jail. The public will be satisfied, and the casino can keep going strong.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 19:37 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Or charge Mark Cuban again for putting up a bailout watchdog site.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 19:56 | Link to Comment JoshRoman
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Bingo -- "down 5 to 10% in a day"..."the bids just won't be there" (starts at 4:50)

 

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 20:24 | Link to Comment Thalamus
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When you inflate something way above fair value you have to be prepared for Jack or Jill to start rolling off the hill in quick fashion. There's nobody obligated to buy a collapsing stock market except the PPT, who stepped in via its surrogate banks and propped things up at -982.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 21:19 | Link to Comment Nikki
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Is it a market if it run buy gangsters, computers and our government ?. It is passd time to scurry to the sidelines with whatever cash you have and order more bullion and brass. $1 Trillion reeks of a desparation move because it isn't working and they can't bear to try what is really needed. So they continue to socialize the losses and privitize the gains.

The biggest racketeering operation of all time. Generational theft and wealth transfer to the few.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 21:31 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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did HFT take down www.transvestitemidgetporn.com ????  

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 21:34 | Link to Comment wawawiwaa
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Everyone is so upset. Show you are really upset by: 

Taking your money out of the BANKS

OUT OF THE 401K Plans

RIP UP your credit cards

Pay off the mortgages

Refuse to pay 40k a year tuitions for which you need to get indebted 

Etc Etc 

That is the way to get upset: To not play the game. It is your money. 

How much money has anyone actually made from their IRA's 401 etc etc over and above the contributions? Probably nothing so just say no. 

 

The final thing would be to hold legislators accountable not these phony inquiries they organize. I am talking about holding people accountable to the law like for example when Rangel who writes the tax code messes up his tax returns. What was the Punishment. 

 

NOTHING and so it goes and so it goes. 

 

 

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 22:21 | Link to Comment Jesse
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"...the SEC could be excused for not reading blogs or anything else that is not linking externally from www.transvestitemidgetporn.com."

OMG, your site is the wind beneath my wings.

ROFLMAO

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 23:13 | Link to Comment Tripps
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folks, take your money out of the market if you can't handle it. saluzzi is right.....dangerous rigged game on one hand, dangerous illiquid game on the other.

 

 

Tue, 05/11/2010 - 00:53 | Link to Comment Burnbright
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And then there is gold in someone else's hand.

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 23:21 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Oh Shapiro couldn't get anyone to admit they bombed the market?  Come on!  She is so convincing!

<Sarcasm off>

O/T but Asia is not really buying the FIAT.  Just sayin'. 

Mon, 05/10/2010 - 23:35 | Link to Comment Adam Neira
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Desired "British Election Effect"...No way Nick Clegg would have been allowed to be elected with majority.

Tue, 05/11/2010 - 00:13 | Link to Comment Crab Cake
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SEC admits cluelessness?

What's next?  They admit they are corrupt and completely ineffectual?

Tue, 05/11/2010 - 00:42 | Link to Comment Fecklesslackey
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It's pretty clear .. the market went down because there were more sellers than buyers .. it occurred right after CNBC showed the Greek police pushing back the mob and it looked like real violence was going to erupt.

I think this was the catalyst for the plunge and then with HFT stops hit and the rest is history. 

Tue, 05/11/2010 - 09:03 | Link to Comment wiskeyrunner
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WRONG, FECKLESSLACKEY

Tue, 05/18/2010 - 22:58 | Link to Comment wyosteven
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Tue, 05/11/2010 - 09:02 | Link to Comment wiskeyrunner
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The 1000 point drop was a message to congress from the Federal Reserve: Mess with us and our friends in your audit bill and you will get more of this. But here is why congrees should not bow to this pressure.

 

This run up in the stock market was all done by the free money given to the banks by the Federal Reserve. Mutual fund inflows have been negative. Insiders are selling not buying. Retail investors have not commited. SO LET THE BANKS CRASH THE MARKET, THEY ARE JUST HURTING THEMSELVES.

Tue, 05/11/2010 - 09:33 | Link to Comment Dburn
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We know we have idiots in the SEC. Has anyone considered they are just doing what they are paid to do? After all, what are th eodds of GS having 63 + trading days and JPM having +63 Trading days with JPM averageing 118 Million a day? Is it a coincidence? So when one asks how stupid is the SEC and Schparo, perhap one should ask, how much are they getting paid?

 

Goldman and JPMorgan roar ahead

By Francesco Guerrera in New York and Brooke Masters in London

Published: May 10 2010 19:56 | Last updated: May 11 2010 00:15

The trading operations of Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase made money every single business day in the first quarter, a feat that was a first for the companies and underlines the boom in Wall Street’s investment banking revenues.

Goldman’s trading desk recorded a profit of at least $25m (£16.8m) on each of the quarter’s 63 working days, making more than $100m a day on 35 occasions, according to a regulatory filing issued on Monday.

However, JPMorgan also achieved a loss-free quarter in its trading unit – making an average of $118m a day, nearly $5m an hour – as it built on the gains made during the financial crisis when rivals faltered or failed.

Goldman’s executives said the trading performance had been due to its robust risk management and booming markets.

 

Tue, 05/11/2010 - 13:34 | Link to Comment wiskeyrunner
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Sure when you know the data ahead of time, any two bit hustler can make money. Without there inside information there nothing.

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