Secret Banking Derivative Cabal Redux, And Why HFT In CDS Has So Far Been A Failure

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Sun, 12/12/2010 - 14:16 | 800242 Biggus Dickus Jr.
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Insurance has always been a rip off in unregulated markets.  Best to stay away.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 21:14 | 800733 jm
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The last thing I want to see is SEC-type porn freaks getting more spheres of influence.

What is needed is transparency. 

http://www.erisweb.com/

Try not to think about this too much:  IRS for ETFs... REITs... anybody that wants to hit the bid!

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 23:17 | 800891 IQ 145
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 for the poster; thank you; a wonderfully informative article.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 14:23 | 800252 DisparityFlux
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The CDS Gamesters of Triskelion.

We are now taking bets on who believes they are holding money.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 15:07 | 800311 Misean
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I bet 50,000 Quatloos that none of them are and another 50,000 they all believe they are.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 18:41 | 800556 Careless Whisper
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it is wrong, wrong, wrong, to read about the family without playing the appropriate music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aV9X2d-f5g

 

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 14:09 | 801991 tamboo
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try again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7fB06S8Bq8

look at what all that free ussa taxpayer money can buy,

and they just increased our donations!

 

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 14:39 | 800273 cossack55
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oeuvre

Cool French Word

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 21:40 | 800763 Ned Zeppelin
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Who junked this guy? Someone with an even cooler French word? Like what? 

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 14:46 | 800285 TexDenim
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Louise Story is probably one of the hottest financial reporters in the country, and this story is worth reading in full, though the Cliff's Notes version provided above is excellent.

Story has two degrees from Yale -- undergrad in American Studies in 2003 and an MBA from the School of Management in 2006. I'm guessing that the NYT piece is the heart of a book she is writing, which will be well worth reading.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 15:21 | 800322 velobabe
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i bet your HOTTer

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 20:23 | 800667 bingocat
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Louise Story's articles on finance have been largely anecdotal. Her stories, like most others, show little understanding of the actual transaction taking place. There is a guy who trades a small lot on a heating oil contract, doesn't appear to put his business out for competition, does not appear to do any research on what he is actually buying, and suspects that he is paying more than he needs to?

My local hardware store charges me 25cts for a screw when I need to buy just one. I think that screw only cost them 1ct. They are marking it up 25 times, ripping me off. I could take my business to another store where they only charge me 20cts, but everywhere I go it costs me a lot more than 1ct to buy my one screw. There must be a secretive hardware store cabal. Why doesn't she do research on this? Or on the movie ticket pricing cabal? Or the secretive decision-making around MLB which makes it difficult for me to start up my own team and join the league?

Her October article on securities lending was about as misleading as misleading can be. It lays exactly zero blame for financial losses on greedy people trying to make money by taking risk. All of the blame for investors' losses in a bond fund are on the bond fund manager. While the manager of the funds may have been less than stellar in his decisions, and the person taking the risk may not have fully understood the risks, it does not mean that the person who allocates his firm's customer's capital to someone else so that they can invest it and produce a return is blameless when the investment does not turn out exactly as expected on a mark-to-market basis.

If her book is anything like this article on the cabal, that article on securities lending, the one on "information", and the one on "price-setting", it will be highly disappointing. But I guess that one should not let little things like facts get in the way of a good story (certainly no pun intended).

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 23:56 | 800943 IQ 145
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 It's an excellent article, very well written. Heaven only knows why people "junked" you for providing a biographical background.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 14:47 | 800286 TooBearish
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Interesting how the top 5 derivative players, by definition a zero sum game all claim massive profits from said ops, as notionals outstanding continue to grow skyward even in the face of stagnant end user notionals.  Rampant accounting cherry picking and wacky amortization contribute to the profit success story for derivatives.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 16:09 | 800356 ZeroPower
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You touch on a key point, the zero sum game.

The only caveat is, who holds more notional than the other - or more specifically - what party will have less of its notional be cancelled out if/when a major collapse occurs.

I laugh when i see numbers suggesting gross CDSs to be in the 100s of Trillions of $... hey, how about we inspect the net for a second and only then make a reasonable argument. Do you ever argue about Allianz and how, if every single one of their clients had an accident at the very same time, that they'd be fucked? No, you don't.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 19:53 | 800633 bingocat
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Thank you.

The same argument comes up when people talk about fractional reserve banking - after all, if all banking debtors suddenly decided not to pay their debts, then the depositors would be screwed - funny thing is the same happens under full-reserve banking...

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 14:47 | 800287 Quixotic_Not
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Goldman Sachs:

Stacking gaming theory one fraud on top of another since 1869.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 14:52 | 800291 Widowmaker
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In other words, a government-sponsored/endorsed monopoly of fraud and collusion at the expense of free markets and justice, paid for by citizen blood in fake wars.

JUMP FUCKERS.

 

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 16:32 | 800387 UGrev
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how 'bout we give them a push.. and we put it on youtube. 

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 17:15 | 800449 Widowmaker
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No thanks, I prefer to pull the rug and enforce the laws on racketeering and do a little trust-busting. 

 

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 15:02 | 800307 EscapeKey
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Great, I want to buy CDS "insurance" on my local small-but-market-registered-business. I have a feeling an "accident" is heading its way. (*)

The lunatics are running the asylum.

 

(*) No, I'm not actually going to do this.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 20:04 | 800647 ZackLo
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Can majority stake holders in a company hold CDS? Lol, if they introduce that market to retail everyone will want to blow themselves up and take all their investors money.............crap businesses will start paying people to riot and break their shit.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 15:17 | 800317 inkt2002
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Whatever happened to the Chinese rate hikes?

Another ZH prediction gone wrong.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 16:17 | 800367 inkt2002
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-12/china-risks-rush-to-tighten-in-...

they are not raising rates this weekend.  ZH is off to another rumor never coming to frution.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 16:47 | 800410 Bolweevil
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Guilty I say, guilty! Still better than MSM.  Now go back and count how many "rumors" ZH has promoted that came to fruition and get back to me stat.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 17:40 | 800479 inkt2002
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My database shows the following

Since May 2007

Predictions Made= 268

Predictions Correct 39

Chance of being correct- 14.5%

Correlation of correct calls to

Bear Markets :.82

 

 

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 22:23 | 800812 Iam_Silverman
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The butterfly effect?  Or maybe Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle?

If they know that we know, then they'll change their game plan?

Even us paranoid-delusive types know we are targeted for extinction (eventually).

 

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 16:05 | 800351 ZeroPower
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RR was raised. Int rate, soon i suppose.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 15:19 | 800321 velobabe
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clearing house, bitchez†

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 15:23 | 800323 Sudden Debt
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Read this piece about the Silver derivative market manipulation:

READ IT AND DREWL MY SILVERBUG FRIENDS!!

 

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article24928.html

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 18:38 | 800552 Spigot
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I have seen this mentioned elsewhere and can only note that there is no relationbship between derivatives activity and the underlying assets themselves, other than the amount of the transaction in synthetic instruments far outweighs the transactions in the assets themselves. I do see this as a means of supressing activity in the underlying assets, and hence is price supressive by nature. However to attempt to argue some ratio based on gross notional derivatives amounts is pretty lalaland.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 19:58 | 800639 Sudden Debt
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Before you press the reply button, you should actually read the articles.

If you would have done so, you wouldn't be making such stupid remarks.

If ZH is good, Marketoracle is the best.

You just try to show me 1 site that shows what they have now published and I'll eat my hat.

Otherwise, you're just some lalaland hobit who only jumps to the comments because he doesn't understand what is actually written.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 04:50 | 801139 EscapeKey
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ZH makes me want to debate issues, marketoracle makes me want to shoot myself in the face to get it all over with. There is no chance MO > ZH.

ZH is THE best finance website on the web.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 12:49 | 801697 Spigot
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Your avatar seems to suit you. I've noticed that you've become pretty abusive lately. Nothing in your reply adds to the discussion.

Possibly if you visit a Electrolysist you can get the wild hair that is up your ass removed.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 20:00 | 800640 bingocat
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I agree with the last sentence but the rest is suspect.

In what way is a higher trading volume/notional for synthetics price-suppressing for the underlying? Or the derivative? If CDS are a zero-sum game then there is no net effect on price. If they are not because there are net non-hedgers out there, other things equal it would push prices in the direction of the non-hedger's bet. If most bets are to insure credit risk, then the underlying price should fall (buying insurance is selling delta). If most bets are speculative ownership (like most main stream media seem to believe), then it is price-boosting (and certainly noone would ever think that the market price for any given credit risk got too high at any point in the last several years).

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 15:31 | 800329 Atomizer
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 15:39 | 800335 curious1
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CFTC meeting with SEC and Golman on eligibility for clearing membership:

http://www.cftc.gov/ucm/groups/public/@swaps/documents/file/derivativemu...

 

Membership criteria and prerequisites:
— Adequate resources and operational capabilities
— Willingness and ability to make markets in diverse set of products, including providing daily pricing
— Sufficient capital, trading expertise and formal commitment to participate in large scale liquidation

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 15:49 | 800338 curious1
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There is something with goldmanites... god's work, christian perspective on wall street..

Here is one from Dir(c)k  Prius...

The students will hear from one of Goldman's best on transaction strategies and perhaps learn something even more important as Pruis gives a talk on "A Christian Perspective on Wall Street."

http://www.calvin.edu/publications/spark/summer01/pruis.htm

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 16:02 | 800350 Bolweevil
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You're supposed to start those types of comments with, "Completely OT, but..." Kinda cherry picking aren't you? Your reference is from July 2000.  Exactly what is your point?  When 76% (wiki-p) of a population considers themselves Christian, don't you think there may be a couple of them working at GS?

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 22:26 | 800817 Iam_Silverman
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"When 76% (wiki-p) of a population considers themselves Christian, don't you think there may be a couple of them working at GS?"

Hmmm, by that reasoning, shouldn't I also expect to see more Christians next time I am at Synagogue?

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 15:50 | 800339 Bolweevil
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"we are stunned that the blogosphere has not seen a broader penetration of CDS-focused sites"

That alone has to be worth $100 a pop from Uncle (bloggerz are our frendz) Sugar?

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 15:55 | 800344 Lionhead
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"This means the market will need to be opened up to the general public. Zero Hedge firmly believes this will be the case... eventually. When that happens, CDS contract notionals will plunge from a minimum $1MM contract (and really $5MM) currently, down to $1K increments, and margin requirements will be impacted appropriately. Banks will be forced to open the CDS market to the greater retail fools."

Yes, yes, where have we seen this scam before? How about 100 years ago with the "bucket shops" in New York. Anyone that trades this scam can never be assured of the pricing, the time of the pricing, the spreads, & oh, of course the margin requirements will be high to force losses on anyone stupid enough to trade in this "security." With high margins the weak hands will be fleeced by the thousands.

What does this tell us? DESPARATION by the banks. Their traditional lines of business are crumbling in the era of deleveraging, so what better way to lever up the third rate suckers that would trade this than by using 20 to 100 percent margins?

The international banking cartel's latest profit center. Anyone that would feel inclined to jump on this lead balloon, do yourself some research on bucket shops before you go all in. Good Grief!

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 20:50 | 800705 kaiserhoff
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Quite so.  Same thing happened with stock options when they were first listed on the CBOE in the seventies.  Exchanges solve many problems, not least among them, the whole nonsense of too big to fail.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 16:02 | 800348 Dragonsgrace
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I am just shocked that the banksters could be this greedy. 

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 18:04 | 800511 A_MacLaren
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Huh?

Did you forget the </sarcasm>?

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 22:19 | 800804 Iam_Silverman
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I'm pretty sure it was implied.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 16:23 | 800372 Hannibal
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Not to worry, Goldman and their criminal brethren will implode beneath their own "success".!

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 18:11 | 800517 Lord Koos
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If/when they implode, the people at the top will still be set for life with huge personal fortunes.

Sun, 12/12/2010 - 19:18 | 800597 penisouraus erecti
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Hope springs eternal - could be a Cubs fan

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