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This guys should run for GOP nomination in 2012.
He's an idiot. This is what the IMF was created for. He should be demanding US withdrawal from the IMF.
The International Monetary Fund (IMF) is an organization of 186 countries, working to foster global monetary cooperation, secure financial stability, facilitate international trade, promote high employment and sustainable economic growth, and reduce poverty around the world.
Yep, I see "Bailing out TBTF banks who made really bad gambles with other peoples' money" in there. Absolutely. Right there. Clear as glass.
Truly clear as glass. What else do you think that "secure financial stability" means? Giving micro-loans to underpriveleged shoemakers in Nepal?
You are right, he is an idiot. Tax revenues have not covered expenses for decades. The US dollar as the worlds reserve currency has allowed the US to live beyond her means for decades too.
The US creating electronic dollar bits to bail out Greece has far more to do with robbing all dollar holders around the world than with robbing "US taxpayers".
DeMint is politicking as usual. DeMint can chew on De Mint in the urinal. He has destroyed his credibility with his past actions. He thinks no one will remember.
As soon as the electorate stops letting these cockroaches treat them like morons, the quicker "change you can believe in" will actually be seen.
+100 euros for "De Mint in de urinal"!
Yep, ol' Jim is still looking for a parade to get in front of, and not get run over by it for marching the wrong way!
I've got news for this genius. The US was also financing the Ukrainian, Hungarian and dozens of other bailouts via the IMF in recent years. Why didn't Mr. Senator get a clue then? Why now?
Don't forget the Mexican bailout in the 90s. did he vote for that?
He became a congressman in 1999 and a senator in 2005 - how the hell could he vote for the Mexican bailout in 1995? This ought to be interesting...
it was also outside a vote. clinton did it by executive order, presuming Robert Rubin/GS gun at his back as he did it
You cant keep TD out of bed in the morning on a week like this!
All they are doing is trying to keep the system going a little longer, don't worry in time the whole thing is coming down.
I don't know what Tyler is so upset about. It's not sustainable and never was. Isn't it about time this blog address the root issue of the problem instead of the side-show? It was over before Tyler was even born, just the exact date and time was not known.
Eventually these trading markets will be destroyed, the banks will be destroyed, all the ATMs will stop pushing out cash, those credit cards will stop working, etc. Then humans will feel the force of a collapse credit system.
Humans want to do the crime without doing the time, sorry the equation always enforces the time.
Okay, mako, we got it, we can't run away from the equation.
As a suggestion to save all of us time, you don't have to keep reposting the same words. Just be brief and say something like "mako here" and we'll automatically know what it means.
P.S. Trying to find a calendar that has "in time" and "eventually" on it but I haven't had much luck so far.
Hey I am just responding to Tyler not addressing the problem. I mean he blames everyone but himself and the actual issue.
You can start throwing bankers out windows and it isn't going to help, you can cry to your Congressman, you can cry to the President, you can cry to anyone you wish but it's not going to stop the system from collapsing.
It's game over, it would seem like actually addressing the problem would be worth while so that stupid humans don't repeat the same mistake over and over? Not once has he addressed the root cause of this and no it's not bankers or Congress or pension funds or any this other side-show crap.
I mean I don't get how Americans can even think they are getting a raw deal at throwing some last ditch cash at Greece, Americans clearly been the winners out of this stupid system for the last 65 years. Let me see, does Tyler believe Americans have actually worked for what it has, if it did it wouldn't need a credit system.
I heard someone on TV today say "they are kicking the can". Well, that is the system... humans have been kicking the can since civilization started.
Not that person. Actually I think that's a guy not gal.
There is no "you" and if there was a you, "you" don't have "free will" anyway. There is no "God", no "Heaven" either.
It is nobody's fault and nothing can be done about it. "We" are just sentience along for the ride. (If you find nobody, kick him in the ass a few times, he deserves it.)
Put that in your pipe and smoke it. It will put monetary madness in perspective.
I just lost 30 seconds of my life I will never get back.
Your mind is like a ship that has been hung up on a rock. It is best to go read something else for a while to give your mind a chance to recalibrate.
You don't know what's happening, do you?
Let me provide a touch of perspective. Most of the popular financial blogs got their starts back in 2007 because they addressed the fundamental nature of the mortgage meltdown.
Fast forward to 2009 as we began to move from market fundamentals to the politics of bailouts. Coincidentally, a new financial blog called Zero Hedge appeared on the scene with all sorts of insider reports detailing the fraud & various illegal activities.
I remember coming across this site just a few weeks after it was launched and marveling at the information sources they were posting up on the interwebs. Then came the flury of legal take-down notices and Tyler's decision to move the servers off-shore.
But time & events wait for no man. Now the world is waking to the fact that it was always a scam, so where's the thrill in discovering new cover-ups & other blatant illegal activities?
What Mako is advising Tyler is that the game is now moving on to the process of reform. And by that I don't mean audit the Fed or other such meaningless nonsense. If Tyler wishes to see ZH escape the same fate of other stale blogs which couldn't keep up with changing demands, then it is time to begin focusing on the next stage of the game.
The next stage is where the rubber hits the road. Reform might be peaceful, but as usually happens throughout history, it has its periodic 'hiccups', which is what we are seeing play out in Greece.
I've advised Mako to try and be more constructive - people understand the message. It's time to add value by analyzing how exactly the existing credit-money system is going to be modified & replaced.
Keep em coming Mako...
Apart from the last sentence where "monetary" should be replaced by "monastery."
Thanks for the laugh.
You're funny for a Frenchman (would cave be redundant) ? :)
I agree with MAKO...only in less dramatic language...
Fiat currency can only succeed where human greed (and attendant fraud) can be regulated with 100% surety. Of course, this is impossible. GREED defines humanity more so than any other "sin".
Eventually---and time will tell---human suffering will reach the tipping point, and total chaos will ensue.
Miramanee, Mako is talking about compound interest, not fiat currency.
Those clever Greeks, first they developed democracy, Western philosophy, Olympic Games... and now they are tricking Americans in paying back for a tiny bit of the damage of the biggest crooked bank swindles in history... I like those guys.
The Greeks gave us Aristotle, Plato and Socrates. Together they essentially form the basis for western thought including ethics, government and morality. Is it not ironic that the beginning of the end of Western philosophy also begins in Greece?
They dont get it. Financing does'nt mean anything. "taxpayer money" is a joke - I mean do you know any taxpayer who have paid one cent more in taxes for ANY of the bailouts so far? Of course not. You see "money" itself has become corrupt in the extreme - vapor money. We can give Greece money - and make it vanish tomorrow if necessary - easy peazy. The world has gone mad - beecause of confusion over corrupt "flying Money" ( as China called it during their monetary madness during the Tang Dynasty ( 600-900AD).
Jesus, can they keep this going for another 200 years - I may have to rethink my portfolio............
200 years, I havent checked.
50 years, absolutely. The breaking end is when the US emits credits, flushes them around the world and catches nothing in their nets.
Largely enough oil and other hard assets to give value to any newly emitted credits at present pace for 50 years.
A large number of US citizens love to depict themselves as world saviours. Telling no tax money is involved in these bailouts cant be received by them. Dont spoil their fun. Especially when that fun comes to them for free.
Spoiling fun is a hard offense. First, they segregate you, offering a thread to vent your perpetual routine without polluting the space of people having fun. After that, if your threads gather too many people or turn too big to ignore, they ban you.
The only valuable information is people claiming truth can not accept truth when it does not satisfy their ego.
On this website like any other.
if he avoided the stupid american jingoism and "terrorist" stuff he woul sound better.
Typical short minded US crap.
What was the IMF created for?
If you want US money to only be used for the US then dont bother sending it. The IMF is bailing out Greece not the US!!!!!
The US has 17.5% of IMF responsibility vs. Germany with only 8%..Who's carrying the IMF????
Wrong. U.S. taxpayers are bailing out banks, including U.S. banks, and as TD reported elsewhere the taxpayers' (IMF-funded) debt is subordinated to the existing bank debt. Is this too complicated for you?
April 29 (Bloomberg) -- JPMorgan Chase & Co., the second- biggest U.S. bank by assets, has a larger exposure than any of its peers to Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece and Spain, according to Wells Fargo & Co.
JPMorgan’s exposure to the five so-called PIIGS countries is $36.3 billion, equating to 28 percent of the firm’s Tier-1 capital, a measure of financial strength, Wells Fargo analysts including Matthew Burnell wrote today. Morgan Stanley holds $32.4 billion of debt in the region, which equates to 69 percent of its Tier 1 capital, Burnell wrote.
“Regulatory data suggests JPMorgan’s exposure is largest in aggregate, but Morgan Stanley held the largest aggregate exposure to the PIIGS relative to Tier 1 capital,” the analysts wrote. Overall U.S. bank “exposure to Greece is lower than exposure to Ireland, Italy and Spain.”
The taxpayer question is more complex I think. It would appear, on the surface, that the U.S. taxpayer is 'on the hook' for all of these bailouts, for the massive (and fraudulent) QE operations of the FED, for the bank cover-ups and syndicate-like activities of Wall Street, and Capitol Hill, etc.
But there is an OPERATIONAL distinction that I think we need to acknowledge. As Ben Bernanke said, "...all Federal spending is done by using their computer to mark up numbers in bank accounts..." In other words, federal spending and taxation are mutually exclusive operations. The government does not need tax dollars in order to spend money: they spend money by creating it in the reserve accounts of their clientele.
It would appear that, at some time, the American taxpayer is going to have to be fleeced in order to payback all of these borrowed and spent dollars. But the government---and in particular all of the people involved in FED operations---understand that spending and revenue are not implicitly and temporally connected.
My question then is this: when and why, in fact, WILL the American taxpayer have to pony up for all of these bailouts and backstops?
Even just the act of printing money steals from taxpayers. Inflation is widely recognized as theft from savers. Money-printing dilutes all then-existing money, stealing some of its value.
The only other possibility is that debt is added to the US debt, and that taxpayers are on the hook for it.
A couple of observations:
1. I understand that inflation of the money supply eventually devalues currency...and leads down the road to COST inflation. Hell, we're experiencing cost inflation right now (food and energy), even during a DEFLATIONARY period. HOWEVER...there are those who would argue that federal spending causes inflation (per se) only occurs when excess capacity disappears and when you have full employment. On some levels, this is an 'apples and oranges' discussion. While you and I are looking at inflation from a m onetary standpoint, many Post-Keynesians look at it from the standpoint of demand and capacity vs. spending.
2. Your second point again leaves me scratching my chin....metaphorically of course. Again, I think that it is FAIR to argue that the U.S. Taxpayer is only on the hook for increasing federal debt IF in fact (A) the government plans upon, or needs to, repay these obligations, or (B) if the taxpayer, sometime down the road, still believes that he NEEDS to pay his taxes (and thus needs to keep finding ways to accumulate dollars) Would you be surprised if the government repudiated its obligations in some manner? Would it "bankrupt" the nation?? And...since all debt obligations abroad are held at the FED---interest bearing accounts vs. spending accounts, but all at the FED---isn't the payment of debt (to say China) simply a matter of shifting funds into different accounts at the FED? What does the taxpayer have to do with that?!?
many Post-Keynesians look at it from the standpoint of demand and capacity vs. spending.
I think this is developing a theory to fit their desired outcome based on observations. In other words, they're lying their asses off. Currency debasement occurs, whether perceived or not, at the moment the new money is created. The only reason we're not seeing "inflation" in the classic sense right now is the cacaphony of MSM pundits telling people there isn't any.
Money velocity as it is currently debated is a load of crap. You cannot replace credit, which has no store of value function, with newly printed "money-thingies", which are supposed to have a store of value function, without immediately diluting all currently-existing money. I don't care if it is held in reserve accounts. The fact that it exists is all that matters.
Your second point relies on completely disconnecting money from it's store of value function (something of value) while retaining its ability to be exchanged for things of value, and as such it relies on people being stupider than they have ever been historically.
I'm not purporting to support that which I am positing. Only working to glean insight from others on a complex issue.
I tend to agree w/you about the Post-Keynesian, neoclassical thesis. These guys hang out in dark rooms crunching numbers, but their hypotheses are divorced from reality---particularly as pertains to issues of social class and production.
As for the money-value disconnect, we have entered a period in time in which all currencies of import and fiat currencies. As such, the idea of money has in fact shifted away from "store of value" functionality and into the realm of pure trust and belief. It is faith-based economics, 100%. I think that we are witnessing the beginning of the end of this era, as 'full faith a credit' will, over the next several decades, become the object of scorn and derision.
Maybe the plan all along was for the US to acquire world dominance not just militarily but economically. With the dollar crushing the EURO the EU has all but collapsed. The only safe haven for capital is the US. China may soon collapse as well.
Could it be that we will come out on top after all?
You want to save? Dont play a consumption game.
In a consumption game, any saving is just freed space for others to consume.
As to postponed debt, who can tell about the future? One bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. Everything points at it is much better to consume now and postpone payment later.
The IMF (bank cabal) is bailing out its member banks. Period. It just happens to be Greek debtors this week. Next week, it will be a collection of debtors in another geographical boundary. Forget the names of countries, doesn't matter. Bailout = more misery for debtors. creditors....get to live another day to see who's the last standing.
I am saying this with the utmost respect and sincerity. We all get your point. Why doesn't TD address the root issue? Who knows. But look, why don't you? Take some time to write an article explaining it all however you see fit. Submit it for publication, and post it in the forums here. Then, whenever you feel the need to explain it you can just post the link. You say the same thing over and over without really saying anything. You have a very important point that should be addressed, but it's time to put up or shut up.
Better late than never, I suppose.
America's founders warned of getting into foreign entanglements. At that time, it was Europe.
However, to further their interests, many since have ignored this wisdom and plunged us into financial entanglements, all over the world. THIS WAS NOT MEANT TO BE.
So, when you look at this mess, seek the root cause. Constitutionally, our so-called leaders have taken us WAY OFF track.
And while we're at it, let's repeal the 16th Amendment, and shrink the bloated, wasteful, inept, fat-ass, useless, federal government.
FYI, the U.S. portion of the IMF bailout is larger than 17%. The IMF takes deposits, but then qualifies its resources into "usable resources", probably because the deposits of some countries (those currencies) aren't worth much. From a little tidbit here.
Doesn't he know we're not borrowing it from China, we're just printing it and so long as everyone accepts it minus inflation, we are THE SYSTEM.
Well put, fraud! If the US had tried to print dollars in 1971 like it has been for the last decade, the rest of the world would have called the bluff. But decades of fraud and propaganda have numbed the thinking of the sheeple to such a degree that they can't comprehend what is going on around them. The US has had a blank-creditcard for decades and has run up a tab approaching the hundreds of trillions.
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