Senator Lindsay Graham Warns Of War With Iran, Confrontation With "Cheating" China

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Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:40 | 706014 Rich_Lather
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Republicanz, bitches!

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 01:01 | 706126 Adam Neira
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In all my travels and research I have discovered the existence of many calendars and ways that certain cultural groups interpret and organise time and space. There is the Christian Gregorian calendar of 7th November, 2010; Jewish Calender 30 Heshvan, 5771; Muslim the year 1431; Iran Nuclear Fuel Enrichment hits critical red line ; etc. etc. The next seven months leading up to May 16th, 2011 are crucial. The various streams of consciousness and time are meeting. Napoleon said that "Strategy is the art of using time and space well !" I think G-d is the ultimate strategist. I try and be aware of his divine calendar. More people should attempt this perspective. G-d is all potential. Time and space are just part of his manifestations. The Iran/Israel dynamic has been building for years now.

 

Wouldn't it be wonderful to see President Ahmedinejad and Ayatollah Khameini with their advisors and support network on a visit to the Holy City of Jerusalem in 2011 ? G-d wants peace to reign on Planet Earth. Not more chaos. The universe is stable, ordered, benevolent and expansive. Violence is not innate from birth.

 

Prayers for the good people of Persia and Israel. Two very proud ancient cultures living not that far way from each other in the Middle East. One day in the future I would like to be able to drive between Jerusalem and Tehran. Whether it will be in this decade or the next time will tell. The potential GDP of the Middle East is vast. If everyone plays there cards right it will make Singapore seem like a mosquito infested swamp.

 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 01:44 | 706174 Jasper M
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" The universe is stable, ordered, benevolent and expansive."

Um. The part of the universe Near You is Relatively stable. Try spending some time near an active crustal plate boundary – I hear the Indonesians might have a thing 'r two to say to you 'bout that . . . been an interesting decade for them. It is certainly ordered, but that order is demonstrably profoundly indifferent to human cares, or even human life. Your G-d made malaria did he not? How many hundreds of millions has this bit of universal benevolence carried off, since before we were little better than erect chimps? 

"Violence is not innate from birth."

Clearly . . . Clearly you have not witnessed many births. 

My two cents: humans are a relatively fragile species; no fangs, no natural armor. To survive in a dangerous universe, we must be able to seize the initiative. And that means a capacity for violence.

And history confirms exactly that. Our species is the product of its 'upbringing', its environment, which I imagine was, or was made by, you G-d. And he is one abusive parent. But we are the stronger for it.

 K'Plah!  

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 01:04 | 706189 Rodent Freikorps
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God gave us life and free will.

The rest was up to us. If the world sucks, it is only because man made it so.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 01:40 | 706202 GoinFawr
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Right, because before man came along and invented Ghod as an anodyne or to explain what he had yet to figure out, the dinosaurs were all giving each other massages.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 03:02 | 706214 Rodent Freikorps
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Maybe they were tense.

Is not the current state of the world MAN'S creation?

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 03:34 | 706222 GoinFawr
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Not sure, I suppose it depends on which of the three Abrahamic faiths you subscribe to, and further than that which denomination.

I mean, if you're Catholic, the Pope isn't really a MAN, right? He's some sort of heavenly power on earth.  So in that case technically the current state of the world can't really  be MAN's fault, by the Catholic rules surrounding their religious dogma.

On the other hand, according to the Calvinists, the Pope is the definition of the Devil incarnate (ultimate power on earth other than Christ), but there you still have a demonic deity.; so not MAN's fault again.

For the sake of my neck and it's long standing attachment to my head and shoulders, I'll leave Allah out of all this.

And to be honest, I know very little about Jehovah, so I don't really have an opinion (more concerned with the domestic/foreign policy of his favourite nation)

Religions are all so convoluted. Personally, I  prefer reason. Reason says that religions, or man's likely deliberate misinterpretation of their basic tenets, is in large part the reason for the state of the world today.

I guess ultimately, then, we agree.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:24 | 706320 blindfaith
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109 commandments, 109 not 10.  Most can't follow 10 let alone 109.  But boy o boy, leaders sure can pick and choose what interpretations they want to to use to gather the ignorant together under one banner.  Truth is to hard to handle, interpretations are more convenient.

 

 I remind all that South Carolina started the Civil War where brother murdered brother with one banner flying overhead.  South Carolina damn near stopper the USA constitution from being adopted until slavery abolition was dropped from the document.  Go spend some time in South Carolina and then you will understand how natural the good Senator's Grahams words are, and how easy it is to raise a banner and have the masses fall in line.  If the good Senator says there will be war, then you can bet he and others will make sure that all understand that it is Gods will to make it so.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 09:27 | 706376 obamaphobe
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South Carolina is its own country.  I visited one of the low country islands last summer and was amazed at the number of confederate flags waving from the top of the pole. Aunt Gemina in full whites watching little white kids while mommy and daddy were sipping mint julips at the bar discussing the audacious fact that some in their school district didn't think it appropriate to teach their sixth graders that the South won the war. 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:15 | 706679 Alterity
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I'm from SC and Lindsay Grahamnesty can kiss my ass.  He was hand picked by that hypocrite also from our state, Strom Thurmond.  Both of them suck....don't write off the entire state due to those morons.

For example, Francis Marion was just as important to this country as George F'ing Washington if you know this nation's history.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:17 | 706510 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I mean, if you're Catholic, the Pope isn't really a MAN, right? He's some sort of heavenly power on earth.

 

The Pope is considered to be infallible in matters of faith only. He can not, for example, pick winning lottery numbers for you. The Pope confesses to a parish preist just like other Catholics.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:06 | 706572 Oh regional Indian
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Actually CA, whether Il Papa confesses or not (couldn't be doing much good confessing anyways, right, after all, how many molestations under current Papa's watch? Maybe it's more of a "release" session) he is given all the impled power of God's highest representative on earth.

If he wasn't such a politician and made more bold, passionate (like Christ) statements, about things that really mattered, maybe the flock would pay attention.

Grace my ace!

ORI

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Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:42 | 706637 tired1
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Almost every relegion is like a map and a tour guide. Some may be 'better' than others but how to tell? What exists is groups of adherants each claiming superiority with no one actually having made the journey.

 

Bottom line is 'Nobody leaves here alive'. So you figure it out for yourself. You got nothing better to do.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:58 | 706486 BKbroiler
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the dinosaurs were all giving each other massages

 

just laughed into my bong and the water squirted out the bowl piece.  thanks.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:29 | 706612 rocker
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It's too early, I need a bass ale now. Oh well. Too Funny.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 15:29 | 706883 Sparkey
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Here is something written on another subject which illustrates the futility of blaming people for the condition of the world, we are ALL just along for the ride in this World, and no one can see farther into the future than the end of his nose.

 

Dear Gentle reader, if it is now man's responsibility to regulate the climate that is simply another indication of how close we are to the end, our instincts guide us to ever greater exploitation while our minds are flexible about our personal responsibility for the destruction our, Collective, behavior causes.

Case in point; there is an article on this page about the damage Encana, among others is causing to the ground water by their practice of fracking, yet millions of "good" people own shares in Encana and while they might express dismay about the harm which is being caused to anonymous strangers, very few will sell their shares while the chance of a payoff seems real, It is something in the way our minds are constructed-- Many "good" people bought shares in slave ships, because the suffering of the others "slaves" didn't seem real and anyway, "everybody was doing it and everybody wants to be rich"- this is the bottom line! Everybody wants "More" They don't know why they want more but instinct not reason, controls all life on Earth, including people. Mankind is now where instinct has brought us!

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 19:45 | 707193 skippy
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I used to get x-mas presents from santa too, it said so right on the tag, from santa to me....I love santa...he can have my first born.

 

Skippy...ha...ha

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 04:38 | 706252 ToNYC
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Were your capacity for violence be exceeded by your Intellectual Capacity, you might not be on the side of International War Criminals who foment Pre-emptive Strikes without bothering to understand that equal rights are God-given to all regardless of tribal fealty.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 04:54 | 706258 Rodent Freikorps
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I react to the world as I find it.

Turnabout is fair play.

Sufficient initial brutality saves lives in the long run.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:42 | 706338 snowball777
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Yeah, that shit's been going great since Kermie Roosevelt, moron.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:07 | 706429 SteveNYC
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You are well unaware of the consequences of such actions, whether performed by you or others (so don't take it personally). Brutality breeds one thing: more brutality. Violence: more violence. Yes, it will exhaust itself, for a time.

But nothing comes from nothing. Our current interference in the Middle East is breeding more terrorists, perhaps it will be my children or yours who are taken out on a subway or bus explosion one day......by a now 3 year old in Baghdad who has simply seen too much and one day decides to do something about it.

They don't "hate us for our freedom".

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 18:16 | 707086 Rodent Freikorps
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By that philosophy we should expect attacks from the Germans, Italians and Japanese for fighting them in WW2?

Winning unconditionally seems to help future peace.

Islam breeds terrorists by promising InstaParadise for murderers.

They hate you for your daughter's freedom.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:23 | 706442 juangrande
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The Universe Is.......  all else is a matter of opinion.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:25 | 706518 SofaPapa
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""Violence is not innate from birth."


Clearly . . . Clearly you have not witnessed many births. "

 

God I love this site!!!  ZH rules!

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:10 | 706579 Oh regional Indian
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Birth need not be violent. It has been made that way.

On birth...

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/08/06/re-membering-birth/

The way we are brought into the world set's the theme for the rest of our lives.

ORI

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Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:38 | 706714 zaknick
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Brainwashed.

 

All recent history really demonstrates is that there are groups of powerful people starting wars for profit all the time.

There is no dictum that says we always have to have war with each other. To think this way is not to have ever known or valued peace. Only those that have not suffered war and loss can think like this. May God bless you with that knowledge and humility.

Mon, 11/08/2010 - 08:04 | 707753 Grappa
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Very well said.

Every single war can be traced to decisions and choises made by a king, a goverment or a power group behind these two. These decisions and choises arise from two sources:

- Financial i.e. profit, more land, more slaves, images of wealth and luxury yada yada.

- Self preservation from the angry masses. (killing the angry masses, blaiming some other masses as well as gaining more wealth and power)

My two sents.

Mon, 11/08/2010 - 10:23 | 707906 Absinthe Minded
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Congratulations! I think your post is the only one in the thread that didn't get Junked. People, just because you don't agree with one's point of view it does not mean it is junk. I think we get a lot of dimwits on here that can't comprehend what there reading so they junk away just to be a$$holes.

NOW JUNK AWAY AND KISS MY ASS!!!

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 07:15 | 706295 thefatasswilly
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"G-d wants peace to reign on Planet Earth."

Dude, are you being sarcastic, or are you just a fucking idiot?

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:43 | 706340 snowball777
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Maybe he means post-Revelations.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:29 | 706450 tmosley
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Revelations described the end of the Roman empire, which already happened, but not the way that was predicted (ie they had an economic collapse and were overrun by those they were oppressing, rather than ending in the form of an apocalyptic battle).  Since it didn't happen that way, dumb Christians think that it will happen in the future.  I guess they believe in space Romans, or something.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 14:23 | 706756 Minion
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The classic financial book "Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds" covered the panic of 999AD in Europe, when followers of the cross decided that the 1000 year rein of Christ, spoken of in Revelation, had started in 001AD and that He was about to return to the earth to destroy it.  They all pilgrimed to the Holy Land after letting their homes and farms fall into disrepair.  And what sense was there in mainteneance if utter destruction was a year away?  I'm reminded of the American South ("Bible belt"), also called the "dirty south", where everyone believes they're going to heaven so there is no point in taking care of their physical world. 

1000AD came around and nothing happened.  And if it had, the hail, plagues, locusts from the pit, four horseman of the apocalypse, etc. all would have happened in 001AD (1000 years before "the end"), as it is clearly recorded in Revelation, yet this detail was overlooked by the Catholic Church and their followers. 

Humans are experts at becoming swept up in the tide of group emotion.  You think the panic of 999AD was strange, just imagine what would happen if a UFO landed, an humanoid being walks out, and claimed to be God!  Even stranger - this has not been ruled out by the Pope, who  recently stated that life on other planets is no longer an impossibility..........

:D

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 14:30 | 706778 CrockettAlmanac.com
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 I guess they believe in space Romans, or something.

 

Now you know why Marvin the Martian wears that outfit.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 18:17 | 707091 DosZap
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tm,

( No "s" in  Revelation.)

Why is it most people think GOD is responsible for the earth self destructing,and for all the diseases,calamities,wars,muder,rape,etc.

When it is OUR fault .

Why was the earth was made to last, (like us forever?) yet is self destructing,scientists have ZERO clue why we age, or why we die.Or why the earth is in constant chaos.

Imagine that,all of science has no clue,yet millions of dumb  Christians  know.

How does two thirds of mankind,and the earth get destroyed,and why, and who stops it, before all flesh be desrtoyed.

Who comes and starts the Millenial reign, and casts the god of this world into the Abyss for a 1000yrs, before Rev 21.

Also explain Rev 21.

We  Po' DUMB Christians want to hear the exspurts opinion.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:46 | 706471 surfsup
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He's dead on and the only ones which want war are the (g-d less) cartel which can't take the idea of any nation states going outside of the interest based model, notwithstanding that said interest based model is about go into insane amounts of margin compression in the US basically hammering the middle class.   Truth is, that if a different banking model succeeds it will at once negate the notion that the cartel interest based model is the only way to go.   The idea of a nation state developing a debt free and interest free banking system is far more scary to them than any fissile material...  This cartel isn't even exclusively American -- its an offshore supra national entity -- which would like to play each against the other and profit.  300 years of it working well but there is some clear fraying along the edges...   Best of luck with that.

 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:05 | 706496 thefatasswilly
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Do you know who Qin Shi Huang is? Do you know who Ramses is?

War is to man as birth is to woman.

Besides that, nature is one of violence, as well. Have you ever seen a lion catch and eat prey? Peace is unnatural.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:19 | 706596 Oh regional Indian
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All animal violence is without judgement or prejudice.

All human violence is precisely and only due to either judgement or prejudice.

Animal violence is clean and thus without remorse.

Human violence is filthy and thus full of remorse.

War has no victor, only the vanquished in defeat and the damned in victory.

No militaristic nation has managed to survie it's militaristic nature. None.

Peace is the natural state.

Peace be with you FAW.

ORI

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Sun, 11/07/2010 - 23:02 | 707369 thefatasswilly
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My goal is to unite the world under Chinese leadership, so that the bullshit wars man wages with himself can cease, and we can finally project our power and violence into space, exploiting new resources and killing / enslaving other species. I mean, this ideal is already present in a fucking video game (which even has a sequel!), why the fuck can't we accomplish it IRL?

This noble goal requires many deaths. Millions, if not billions, must die. Instead of crying over spilled eggs, I find it better for my soul to enjoy it. Heav'n of Hell,  Hell of Heav'n.

Also, man is violent by nature, because we are, in essence, animals who kill other animals to live. I see human violence as no more or less "filthy" than animal violence; we are simply cursed with intellect, knowledge, and thus compassion, remorse, regret.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:40 | 706715 zaknick
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@surfsup

 

Well put!

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 07:30 | 706298 brodix
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Maybe we have it all backward?

 The problem with God is that absolute, the universal state, is basis, not apex. so a spiritual absolute would be the essence from which we rise, not an ideal from which we fell. The proper metaphor for spiritual purity would be the child, not the adult. Age only tempers this essence.

 As for time, actually the earth doesn't travel some fourth dimension from yesterday to tomorrow. Tomorrow becomes yesterday because the earth rotates. Time is an effect of motion, not the basis for it. We are one with our own context and narrative, as it fades into the past, but contrary to religious and nationalistic indoctrination, we do not all live the same narrative. They are all intertwined, like a tapestry, then bound in a single thread.

 As for space, three dimensions are simply the coordinate system of the center point. Our two eyes even function as different coordinate systems. We all view our space from often very different frames, but then band together in these tribal packs, make up a group narrative and fight the neighbors, while saying we are following God.

Delusion is a way of life.

 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:29 | 706324 Wynn
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The problem with God

God has no problem. The egoic Man does.

 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:53 | 706477 surfsup
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Exactly Wynn, but the average person would not partake in the contrivances evident by manipulative classes which for some time have played humanity like a chess board through no more than simple deception, fear and need.  They have lowered many to their level through the machinations but just imagine the depth of Universe having been created by incredible order and precision!  The biology and incredible complexity of all the systems for the onward progression of Life!  No mind can even come close to knowing even a fraction of what it took to set all that in motion.  Now, imagine trying to go up against THAT in the long run...  lol.   Sheer insanity...  

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:13 | 706434 SteveNYC
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Outstanding post. Your comment on time is impressive. Yesterday, tomorrow, and even the present, do not at all exist. All that exists is "moment", and everything that has ever existed exists in moment. All is truth, all is complete.

The delusion arising from non-moment mind obscures it all.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:23 | 706318 SPONGE
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Jeezus Freakin Christ! 

   Enough with this Godshit. Go to some lame-ass God website if you want to talk Godshit.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:31 | 706454 tmosley
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Exactly.  It seems like half the threads here devolve into this stupid bullshit.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:50 | 706553 Uncle Remus
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We're fixin' to get yin slapped.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:54 | 706559 -Michelle-
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I'm Catholic, really Catholic, as in three-kids-under-three-and-a-kitchen-altar-Catholic.  And I have to say that I hate seeing so much religion talk going on here.  I come here to learn about the deeds of men, not the will of God.

It's an open site, though, so I suppose I will just continue to skip over the huge swaths of debate on things that can never be proved.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:03 | 706670 brodix
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If economic man was isolated from any larger context, I'd agree with you, but I find that when peeling away one layer of BS and propaganda, there is usually another layer under that.

 I suspect, should you live long enough, the coming collapse will clear away more than most consider possible. Remember that prior to WW1, most people thought it would last a few months, but by the time it was over, the entire crumbling structure of monarchy was conclusively consigned to the dust bin of history, along with several tens of millions of lives. Look at the religious institutions currently providing much of the emotional conflict in this world. Along with the fact that the "Divine Right of Kings" has been replaced by the divine right of wealth. Nature works bottom up though. 

 This tower of Babel is getting pretty shaky, even if it's just made out of MBS.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 09:54 | 706414 papaswamp
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"The universe is stable, ordered, benevolent and expansive. Violence is not innate from birth."

Clearly you need to verse yourself on chaos and how it constantly changes the 'balance'. The universe and thus everything else is in constant flux and change.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:21 | 706515 CrockettAlmanac.com
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G-d wants peace to reign on Planet Earth. Not more chaos. The universe is stable, ordered, benevolent and expansive. Violence is not innate from birth.

"The universe does not know good or evil, only balance. I am going to restore balance." -- Paraphrase of a comment by Walternet in latest episode of Fringe (seemed appropriate).

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