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Senator Lindsay Graham Warns Of War With Iran, Confrontation With "Cheating" China

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With republicans back in control, it was only a matter of time before the military-industrial complex reminded the world of its existence. It took about 72 hours: republican senator Lindsay Graham, who apparently has not received the memo that all modern wars are now waged in binary, and are won by those who can push the FX bid/ask the furthest and the fastest away from equilibrium, spoke at the Halifax International Security Forum, giving a very distinct taste of what US foreign policy is about to look like: "Iran is a major threat to any conceivable world order" and that he sees an almost inevitable confrontation with Iran. As AP reports, the South Carolina Republican saw the United States going to war with
the Islamic republic "not to just neutralize their nuclear program, but
to sink their navy, destroy their air force and deliver a decisive blow
to the Revolutionary Guard, in other words neuter that regime.
" And the Democrats, still in shock over their recent pummelling, will likely not have the resolve to respond palliatively to such warmongering, which they likely deem as supported by the broad population: "US Democratic Senator Mark Udall, who joined Graham during a panel
discussion at the forum in Halifax, Nova Scotia, urged continued
sanctions against Iran. But he also noted that "every option is on the
table," a thinly veiled reference to possible military action.
" And just when the world was getting along so well, and all the international bickering appeared to be taking place over various Forex terminals...

More from AP:

 The United States faces a possible war with Iran to curb its nuclear ambitions and a "period of confrontation" with China over its currency, a top US lawmaker warned Saturday.

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said his fellow conservative, fresh from their historic elections romp this week, support "bold" action to deal with Iran.

If President Barack Obama "decides to be tough with Iran beyond sanctions, I think he is going to feel a lot of Republican support for the idea that we cannot let Iran develop a nuclear weapon," he told the Halifax International Security Forum.

"The last thing America wants is another military conflict, but the last thing the world needs is a nuclear-armed Iran... Containment is off the table."

Furthermore, the fact that Iran recently converted 15% of its $100Bn+ in reserves into gold did not win it any brownie points with the global central banking cartel.

Yet perhaps war may be avoidable:

Democrats may gain surprise support for continued diplomacy from some ultra-conservative Tea Party newcomers to Washington who diverge on foreign policy matters with their Republican brethren.

Various UN resolutions and sanctions have sought to halt Iran's uranium enrichment activities, so far having little effect.

Then again, maybe not. It has been a while since assorted logistic and military airplane manufacturers reported blowout quarters. Time to change that.

And if Graham has his way, soon the US may need to send an aircraft carrier or 17 over to the South China Sea.

Graham also warned of a forthcoming "period of confrontation" with China over its "cheating" currency manipulation.

US and European lawmakers have called for a stronger Chinese currency as their economies struggle to recover from the global financial crisis. US lawmakers claim the yuan is grossly undervalued and causes global trade imbalances.

Several countries ranging from Japan to Colombia have intervened in recent weeks to make their currencies cheaper in the hope of exporting their way out of the downturn, fueling fears of a global currency war.

Currency tensions boiled over at the recent annual meetings of the International Monetary Fund in Washington, with China rejecting calls for a quick revaluation.

Surely, those cheating Chineses will be delighted to be called cheats again, just two days after advisors to the PBoC called unbridled printing of dollars "the biggest risk to the global economy and said China should use currency policy and capital controls to cushion itself from external shocks." We can't wait to read the glowingly favorable, two thumbs up rebuttal in tomorrow's China Daily.

Perhaps before we hit the launch button, we should familiarize ourselves with the following chart which shows that for the first time ever China is now ahead of the US in number of warships.

Last but not least, we are eagerly awaiting the release of a tape by Al Qaeda, spotlighting bin Laden's congratulations to the republican party over their victory.

 

 


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Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:40 | Link to Comment Rich_Lather
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Republicanz, bitches!

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 01:01 | Link to Comment Adam Neira
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In all my travels and research I have discovered the existence of many calendars and ways that certain cultural groups interpret and organise time and space. There is the Christian Gregorian calendar of 7th November, 2010; Jewish Calender 30 Heshvan, 5771; Muslim the year 1431; Iran Nuclear Fuel Enrichment hits critical red line ; etc. etc. The next seven months leading up to May 16th, 2011 are crucial. The various streams of consciousness and time are meeting. Napoleon said that "Strategy is the art of using time and space well !" I think G-d is the ultimate strategist. I try and be aware of his divine calendar. More people should attempt this perspective. G-d is all potential. Time and space are just part of his manifestations. The Iran/Israel dynamic has been building for years now.

 

Wouldn't it be wonderful to see President Ahmedinejad and Ayatollah Khameini with their advisors and support network on a visit to the Holy City of Jerusalem in 2011 ? G-d wants peace to reign on Planet Earth. Not more chaos. The universe is stable, ordered, benevolent and expansive. Violence is not innate from birth.

 

Prayers for the good people of Persia and Israel. Two very proud ancient cultures living not that far way from each other in the Middle East. One day in the future I would like to be able to drive between Jerusalem and Tehran. Whether it will be in this decade or the next time will tell. The potential GDP of the Middle East is vast. If everyone plays there cards right it will make Singapore seem like a mosquito infested swamp.

 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 01:44 | Link to Comment Jasper M
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" The universe is stable, ordered, benevolent and expansive."

Um. The part of the universe Near You is Relatively stable. Try spending some time near an active crustal plate boundary – I hear the Indonesians might have a thing 'r two to say to you 'bout that . . . been an interesting decade for them. It is certainly ordered, but that order is demonstrably profoundly indifferent to human cares, or even human life. Your G-d made malaria did he not? How many hundreds of millions has this bit of universal benevolence carried off, since before we were little better than erect chimps? 

"Violence is not innate from birth."

Clearly . . . Clearly you have not witnessed many births. 

My two cents: humans are a relatively fragile species; no fangs, no natural armor. To survive in a dangerous universe, we must be able to seize the initiative. And that means a capacity for violence.

And history confirms exactly that. Our species is the product of its 'upbringing', its environment, which I imagine was, or was made by, you G-d. And he is one abusive parent. But we are the stronger for it.

 K'Plah!  

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 01:04 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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God gave us life and free will.

The rest was up to us. If the world sucks, it is only because man made it so.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 01:40 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Right, because before man came along and invented Ghod as an anodyne or to explain what he had yet to figure out, the dinosaurs were all giving each other massages.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 03:02 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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Maybe they were tense.

Is not the current state of the world MAN'S creation?

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 03:34 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Not sure, I suppose it depends on which of the three Abrahamic faiths you subscribe to, and further than that which denomination.

I mean, if you're Catholic, the Pope isn't really a MAN, right? He's some sort of heavenly power on earth.  So in that case technically the current state of the world can't really  be MAN's fault, by the Catholic rules surrounding their religious dogma.

On the other hand, according to the Calvinists, the Pope is the definition of the Devil incarnate (ultimate power on earth other than Christ), but there you still have a demonic deity.; so not MAN's fault again.

For the sake of my neck and it's long standing attachment to my head and shoulders, I'll leave Allah out of all this.

And to be honest, I know very little about Jehovah, so I don't really have an opinion (more concerned with the domestic/foreign policy of his favourite nation)

Religions are all so convoluted. Personally, I  prefer reason. Reason says that religions, or man's likely deliberate misinterpretation of their basic tenets, is in large part the reason for the state of the world today.

I guess ultimately, then, we agree.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:24 | Link to Comment blindfaith
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109 commandments, 109 not 10.  Most can't follow 10 let alone 109.  But boy o boy, leaders sure can pick and choose what interpretations they want to to use to gather the ignorant together under one banner.  Truth is to hard to handle, interpretations are more convenient.

 

 I remind all that South Carolina started the Civil War where brother murdered brother with one banner flying overhead.  South Carolina damn near stopper the USA constitution from being adopted until slavery abolition was dropped from the document.  Go spend some time in South Carolina and then you will understand how natural the good Senator's Grahams words are, and how easy it is to raise a banner and have the masses fall in line.  If the good Senator says there will be war, then you can bet he and others will make sure that all understand that it is Gods will to make it so.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 09:27 | Link to Comment obamaphobe
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South Carolina is its own country.  I visited one of the low country islands last summer and was amazed at the number of confederate flags waving from the top of the pole. Aunt Gemina in full whites watching little white kids while mommy and daddy were sipping mint julips at the bar discussing the audacious fact that some in their school district didn't think it appropriate to teach their sixth graders that the South won the war. 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:15 | Link to Comment Alterity
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I'm from SC and Lindsay Grahamnesty can kiss my ass.  He was hand picked by that hypocrite also from our state, Strom Thurmond.  Both of them suck....don't write off the entire state due to those morons.

For example, Francis Marion was just as important to this country as George F'ing Washington if you know this nation's history.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:17 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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I mean, if you're Catholic, the Pope isn't really a MAN, right? He's some sort of heavenly power on earth.

 

The Pope is considered to be infallible in matters of faith only. He can not, for example, pick winning lottery numbers for you. The Pope confesses to a parish preist just like other Catholics.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Actually CA, whether Il Papa confesses or not (couldn't be doing much good confessing anyways, right, after all, how many molestations under current Papa's watch? Maybe it's more of a "release" session) he is given all the impled power of God's highest representative on earth.

If he wasn't such a politician and made more bold, passionate (like Christ) statements, about things that really mattered, maybe the flock would pay attention.

Grace my ace!

ORI

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Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:42 | Link to Comment tired1
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Almost every relegion is like a map and a tour guide. Some may be 'better' than others but how to tell? What exists is groups of adherants each claiming superiority with no one actually having made the journey.

 

Bottom line is 'Nobody leaves here alive'. So you figure it out for yourself. You got nothing better to do.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:58 | Link to Comment BKbroiler
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the dinosaurs were all giving each other massages

 

just laughed into my bong and the water squirted out the bowl piece.  thanks.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:29 | Link to Comment rocker
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It's too early, I need a bass ale now. Oh well. Too Funny.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 15:29 | Link to Comment Sparkey
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Here is something written on another subject which illustrates the futility of blaming people for the condition of the world, we are ALL just along for the ride in this World, and no one can see farther into the future than the end of his nose.

 

Dear Gentle reader, if it is now man's responsibility to regulate the climate that is simply another indication of how close we are to the end, our instincts guide us to ever greater exploitation while our minds are flexible about our personal responsibility for the destruction our, Collective, behavior causes.

Case in point; there is an article on this page about the damage Encana, among others is causing to the ground water by their practice of fracking, yet millions of "good" people own shares in Encana and while they might express dismay about the harm which is being caused to anonymous strangers, very few will sell their shares while the chance of a payoff seems real, It is something in the way our minds are constructed-- Many "good" people bought shares in slave ships, because the suffering of the others "slaves" didn't seem real and anyway, "everybody was doing it and everybody wants to be rich"- this is the bottom line! Everybody wants "More" They don't know why they want more but instinct not reason, controls all life on Earth, including people. Mankind is now where instinct has brought us!

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 19:45 | Link to Comment skippy
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I used to get x-mas presents from santa too, it said so right on the tag, from santa to me....I love santa...he can have my first born.

 

Skippy...ha...ha

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 04:38 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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Were your capacity for violence be exceeded by your Intellectual Capacity, you might not be on the side of International War Criminals who foment Pre-emptive Strikes without bothering to understand that equal rights are God-given to all regardless of tribal fealty.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 04:54 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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I react to the world as I find it.

Turnabout is fair play.

Sufficient initial brutality saves lives in the long run.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:42 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Yeah, that shit's been going great since Kermie Roosevelt, moron.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:07 | Link to Comment SteveNYC
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You are well unaware of the consequences of such actions, whether performed by you or others (so don't take it personally). Brutality breeds one thing: more brutality. Violence: more violence. Yes, it will exhaust itself, for a time.

But nothing comes from nothing. Our current interference in the Middle East is breeding more terrorists, perhaps it will be my children or yours who are taken out on a subway or bus explosion one day......by a now 3 year old in Baghdad who has simply seen too much and one day decides to do something about it.

They don't "hate us for our freedom".

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 18:16 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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By that philosophy we should expect attacks from the Germans, Italians and Japanese for fighting them in WW2?

Winning unconditionally seems to help future peace.

Islam breeds terrorists by promising InstaParadise for murderers.

They hate you for your daughter's freedom.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:23 | Link to Comment juangrande
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The Universe Is.......  all else is a matter of opinion.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:25 | Link to Comment SofaPapa
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""Violence is not innate from birth."


Clearly . . . Clearly you have not witnessed many births. "

 

God I love this site!!!  ZH rules!

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:10 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Birth need not be violent. It has been made that way.

On birth...

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/08/06/re-membering-birth/

The way we are brought into the world set's the theme for the rest of our lives.

ORI

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Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:38 | Link to Comment zaknick
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Brainwashed.

 

All recent history really demonstrates is that there are groups of powerful people starting wars for profit all the time.

There is no dictum that says we always have to have war with each other. To think this way is not to have ever known or valued peace. Only those that have not suffered war and loss can think like this. May God bless you with that knowledge and humility.

Mon, 11/08/2010 - 08:04 | Link to Comment Grappa
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Very well said.

Every single war can be traced to decisions and choises made by a king, a goverment or a power group behind these two. These decisions and choises arise from two sources:

- Financial i.e. profit, more land, more slaves, images of wealth and luxury yada yada.

- Self preservation from the angry masses. (killing the angry masses, blaiming some other masses as well as gaining more wealth and power)

My two sents.

Mon, 11/08/2010 - 10:23 | Link to Comment Absinthe Minded
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Congratulations! I think your post is the only one in the thread that didn't get Junked. People, just because you don't agree with one's point of view it does not mean it is junk. I think we get a lot of dimwits on here that can't comprehend what there reading so they junk away just to be a$$holes.

NOW JUNK AWAY AND KISS MY ASS!!!

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 07:15 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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"G-d wants peace to reign on Planet Earth."

Dude, are you being sarcastic, or are you just a fucking idiot?

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:43 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Maybe he means post-Revelations.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:29 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Revelations described the end of the Roman empire, which already happened, but not the way that was predicted (ie they had an economic collapse and were overrun by those they were oppressing, rather than ending in the form of an apocalyptic battle).  Since it didn't happen that way, dumb Christians think that it will happen in the future.  I guess they believe in space Romans, or something.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Minion
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The classic financial book "Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds" covered the panic of 999AD in Europe, when followers of the cross decided that the 1000 year rein of Christ, spoken of in Revelation, had started in 001AD and that He was about to return to the earth to destroy it.  They all pilgrimed to the Holy Land after letting their homes and farms fall into disrepair.  And what sense was there in mainteneance if utter destruction was a year away?  I'm reminded of the American South ("Bible belt"), also called the "dirty south", where everyone believes they're going to heaven so there is no point in taking care of their physical world. 

1000AD came around and nothing happened.  And if it had, the hail, plagues, locusts from the pit, four horseman of the apocalypse, etc. all would have happened in 001AD (1000 years before "the end"), as it is clearly recorded in Revelation, yet this detail was overlooked by the Catholic Church and their followers. 

Humans are experts at becoming swept up in the tide of group emotion.  You think the panic of 999AD was strange, just imagine what would happen if a UFO landed, an humanoid being walks out, and claimed to be God!  Even stranger - this has not been ruled out by the Pope, who  recently stated that life on other planets is no longer an impossibility..........

:D

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 14:30 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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 I guess they believe in space Romans, or something.

 

Now you know why Marvin the Martian wears that outfit.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 18:17 | Link to Comment DosZap
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tm,

( No "s" in  Revelation.)

Why is it most people think GOD is responsible for the earth self destructing,and for all the diseases,calamities,wars,muder,rape,etc.

When it is OUR fault .

Why was the earth was made to last, (like us forever?) yet is self destructing,scientists have ZERO clue why we age, or why we die.Or why the earth is in constant chaos.

Imagine that,all of science has no clue,yet millions of dumb  Christians  know.

How does two thirds of mankind,and the earth get destroyed,and why, and who stops it, before all flesh be desrtoyed.

Who comes and starts the Millenial reign, and casts the god of this world into the Abyss for a 1000yrs, before Rev 21.

Also explain Rev 21.

We  Po' DUMB Christians want to hear the exspurts opinion.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:46 | Link to Comment surfsup
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He's dead on and the only ones which want war are the (g-d less) cartel which can't take the idea of any nation states going outside of the interest based model, notwithstanding that said interest based model is about go into insane amounts of margin compression in the US basically hammering the middle class.   Truth is, that if a different banking model succeeds it will at once negate the notion that the cartel interest based model is the only way to go.   The idea of a nation state developing a debt free and interest free banking system is far more scary to them than any fissile material...  This cartel isn't even exclusively American -- its an offshore supra national entity -- which would like to play each against the other and profit.  300 years of it working well but there is some clear fraying along the edges...   Best of luck with that.

 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:05 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Do you know who Qin Shi Huang is? Do you know who Ramses is?

War is to man as birth is to woman.

Besides that, nature is one of violence, as well. Have you ever seen a lion catch and eat prey? Peace is unnatural.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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All animal violence is without judgement or prejudice.

All human violence is precisely and only due to either judgement or prejudice.

Animal violence is clean and thus without remorse.

Human violence is filthy and thus full of remorse.

War has no victor, only the vanquished in defeat and the damned in victory.

No militaristic nation has managed to survie it's militaristic nature. None.

Peace is the natural state.

Peace be with you FAW.

ORI

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Sun, 11/07/2010 - 23:02 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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My goal is to unite the world under Chinese leadership, so that the bullshit wars man wages with himself can cease, and we can finally project our power and violence into space, exploiting new resources and killing / enslaving other species. I mean, this ideal is already present in a fucking video game (which even has a sequel!), why the fuck can't we accomplish it IRL?

This noble goal requires many deaths. Millions, if not billions, must die. Instead of crying over spilled eggs, I find it better for my soul to enjoy it. Heav'n of Hell,  Hell of Heav'n.

Also, man is violent by nature, because we are, in essence, animals who kill other animals to live. I see human violence as no more or less "filthy" than animal violence; we are simply cursed with intellect, knowledge, and thus compassion, remorse, regret.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:40 | Link to Comment zaknick
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@surfsup

 

Well put!

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 07:30 | Link to Comment brodix
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Maybe we have it all backward?

 The problem with God is that absolute, the universal state, is basis, not apex. so a spiritual absolute would be the essence from which we rise, not an ideal from which we fell. The proper metaphor for spiritual purity would be the child, not the adult. Age only tempers this essence.

 As for time, actually the earth doesn't travel some fourth dimension from yesterday to tomorrow. Tomorrow becomes yesterday because the earth rotates. Time is an effect of motion, not the basis for it. We are one with our own context and narrative, as it fades into the past, but contrary to religious and nationalistic indoctrination, we do not all live the same narrative. They are all intertwined, like a tapestry, then bound in a single thread.

 As for space, three dimensions are simply the coordinate system of the center point. Our two eyes even function as different coordinate systems. We all view our space from often very different frames, but then band together in these tribal packs, make up a group narrative and fight the neighbors, while saying we are following God.

Delusion is a way of life.

 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:29 | Link to Comment Wynn
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The problem with God

God has no problem. The egoic Man does.

 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:53 | Link to Comment surfsup
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Exactly Wynn, but the average person would not partake in the contrivances evident by manipulative classes which for some time have played humanity like a chess board through no more than simple deception, fear and need.  They have lowered many to their level through the machinations but just imagine the depth of Universe having been created by incredible order and precision!  The biology and incredible complexity of all the systems for the onward progression of Life!  No mind can even come close to knowing even a fraction of what it took to set all that in motion.  Now, imagine trying to go up against THAT in the long run...  lol.   Sheer insanity...  

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:13 | Link to Comment SteveNYC
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Outstanding post. Your comment on time is impressive. Yesterday, tomorrow, and even the present, do not at all exist. All that exists is "moment", and everything that has ever existed exists in moment. All is truth, all is complete.

The delusion arising from non-moment mind obscures it all.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:23 | Link to Comment SPONGE
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Jeezus Freakin Christ! 

   Enough with this Godshit. Go to some lame-ass God website if you want to talk Godshit.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:31 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Exactly.  It seems like half the threads here devolve into this stupid bullshit.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:50 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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We're fixin' to get yin slapped.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:54 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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I'm Catholic, really Catholic, as in three-kids-under-three-and-a-kitchen-altar-Catholic.  And I have to say that I hate seeing so much religion talk going on here.  I come here to learn about the deeds of men, not the will of God.

It's an open site, though, so I suppose I will just continue to skip over the huge swaths of debate on things that can never be proved.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:03 | Link to Comment brodix
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If economic man was isolated from any larger context, I'd agree with you, but I find that when peeling away one layer of BS and propaganda, there is usually another layer under that.

 I suspect, should you live long enough, the coming collapse will clear away more than most consider possible. Remember that prior to WW1, most people thought it would last a few months, but by the time it was over, the entire crumbling structure of monarchy was conclusively consigned to the dust bin of history, along with several tens of millions of lives. Look at the religious institutions currently providing much of the emotional conflict in this world. Along with the fact that the "Divine Right of Kings" has been replaced by the divine right of wealth. Nature works bottom up though. 

 This tower of Babel is getting pretty shaky, even if it's just made out of MBS.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 09:54 | Link to Comment papaswamp
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"The universe is stable, ordered, benevolent and expansive. Violence is not innate from birth."

Clearly you need to verse yourself on chaos and how it constantly changes the 'balance'. The universe and thus everything else is in constant flux and change.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:21 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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G-d wants peace to reign on Planet Earth. Not more chaos. The universe is stable, ordered, benevolent and expansive. Violence is not innate from birth.

"The universe does not know good or evil, only balance. I am going to restore balance." -- Paraphrase of a comment by Walternet in latest episode of Fringe (seemed appropriate).

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:40 | Link to Comment russki standart
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Lindsay should do what he does best, buggering congress page boys. War is ugly and horrific, not suited to pansies who like to beat their sunken chests while demanding others die for his misbegotten causes.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 21:09 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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hear hear!

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 16:23 | Link to Comment Green Leader
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"Napoleon said that "Strategy is the art of using time and space well !" I think G-d is the ultimate strategist. I try and be aware of his divine calendar. More people should attempt this perspective. G-d is all potential. Time and space are just part of his manifestations."

We indeed need the Creator to manifest His time-space on to us.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:20 | Link to Comment moregoldplease
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This a lot of baloney. Lindsay Graham is simply posturing because he is afraid of not be re-elected. I hope he won't be. As a former Democrat, now Independent conservative I hope SC voters hand him his head.

No more war. I want a return to constitutional government, an end to the Fed, indictment of the Banksters. I want a definet DEROS of all our troops from everywhere, sometime within the next two years should work.

 

We will not attack Iran and they know it. Anyone who gets excited by something Lindsay Graham says about being a conservative is seriously misrreading the tea leaves

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:40 | Link to Comment blindfaith
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no, Israel will.  And as an ally, we will then join them.  That is what my tea leaves show.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:06 | Link to Comment Max Hunter
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I am assuming now that you have signed up and encouraged your children to sigh up to die for Israeli wars and Jewish interests..

You're a selfish dickhead.. People like you are a cancer.. Please go play in traffic..

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 09:09 | Link to Comment Arius
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really?....and you are?

"i want no more wars" and "i am a former democrat"....is that all???  anything else, coffee or tea?...please tell us everything will be all right and there is nothing to worry about...it will not change anything...it will make us feel better for the rest of the day....might as well sniff a bit.

get off your horse and protect yourself...obviously "reading the tea leaves" is not your strongest skill...sorry

graham is not saying it because he just felt like it this morning...well it happened to be sunday and have you noticed what is going on in the gulf recently...thats not under graham authority...you said what you want but we dont always get want we want...

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 09:36 | Link to Comment bugs_
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Totally true, Lindsey now has the fear.  Notice he didn't talk tough BEFORE the election which is when most RINO's lean to the right.  To do so AFTER the election is very contrary and shows he is now very concerned that he will have a Tea Party challenge.  We can only hope although it will be amusing to see him stop foot tapping and betraying republicans long enough to try to keep his seat.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:46 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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The least reported dynamic is the switch. These people walked the walk.  Asses DON'T. Lindsey Graham is an Ass

WE try to play it safe as observers.

WE (includes me) are pussy assed clowns. Fans apparently?

The left has been exposed. Doesn't work.

Freedom bitchez.

All I wanna do is have some fun.

Nobody wants to grow up.

It just happens.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 18:29 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Lindsey Graham, is a dick, and a closet Democrat.

He should be stuck in a corner, and attacked by Fwank.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 09:39 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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No more war. I want a return to constitutional government, an end to the Fed, indictment of the Banksters. I want a definet DEROS of all our troops from everywhere, sometime within the next two years should work.

Bold that.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:07 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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Idea good. Spelling bad. It does matter so please get that right?

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 17:19 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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No one cares except the anals.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 09:53 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Your right, Lindsay is simply doing the one thing he can do without coming across to his newly elected caucus as a complete turncoat, beat the war drum.  He has no standing to promote much of anything until the newly elected are probably turned against us by the machine then he will gain relevance and clout with them. This for better or worse was a domestic policy election, nothing more.  They will continue Afghanistan but I would not want to be living in Iraq, they will twist in the wind as the Persians step back in and accelerate the Shia insurgency.

Leaving Japan, Europe is a good idea other places not so much.  For example a presence in our own hemisphere can be defended as simply minding our geostrategic business, Europe not so much imo.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:58 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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I adore the Teaparty movement. I fell for it when I observed the oppositions response. Specifically WHO the opposition was (is).

Talk is cheap and Lindsey graham is a whore.

He represents abouts three bucks worth of copper and lead.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 17:18 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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To the Tea Party: Go Screw Yourself

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/denninger2.1.1.html

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:58 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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I adore the Teaparty movement. I fell for it when I observed the oppositions response. Specifically WHO the opposition was (is).

Talk is cheap and Lindsey graham is a whore.

He represents abouts three bucks worth of copper and lead.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:25 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Graham has been compromised. I think he is a closet homosexual. This is used against him. He is a nancy boy for AIPAC and does their bidding .  He has been captured and needs to be taken out of office.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 09:12 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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Lindsey Graham is a fucking twit. He does not represent the Republican party and he most definitely is NOT a Conservative. Graham is a sell out fuck. He represents opportunism and disgrace.

It is very telling though that he would signal this elitist intent. Graham is parroting what he has been told. Graham speaks for 'the man behind the curtain'.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:16 | Link to Comment docj
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+46(7)

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:38 | Link to Comment rocker
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Hello, it is the elitist who run the show. Please........ Last war: Gold 200 to 1000.  This time 5x 1300= (?).  

This war will also be unfunded, more tax cuts ?

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:41 | Link to Comment Doomsayer
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These comments regarding Iran are very serious, especially coming from an individual in a position to broadcast an advanced warning to us. The wise should take heed and prepare accordingly. We are on a collision course. The Ram (always a symbol of Persia) in the Book of Daniel, chap. 8 is about to be destroyed. But what happens to the USA (leader of the Gentile coalition-Goat) could be bad also. This will not be the end of the world; but it is a part of end-time events as we countdown to 2070.

 

Mon, 11/08/2010 - 12:45 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Hey!

Who moved my 2012?

 

ori

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com

Mon, 11/08/2010 - 02:50 | Link to Comment pamriallc
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the good Governor makes better politics to tell everyone she's on nuclear alert, unsure and that they should let her manage the situation vs telling people it's coming together.  shawn a. mesaros, pamria, llc

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:40 | Link to Comment westboundnup
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Apparently we draw near a Decision Point.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 01:08 | Link to Comment Minion
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PetroDollar Police have already made the decision to harass, invade, occupy, and re-dictate any oil producing country that openly threatens to stop selling their product in monopoly money.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 07:14 | Link to Comment Jendrzejczyk
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"..re-dictate any oil producing country.."

It took a second to cypher that, brilliant new verb.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:23 | Link to Comment BobPaulson
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Yes, if the FRN isn't oil backed, it's toilet paper.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:34 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Remaining goods backed is fine too.

Not US goods, of course, but Chinese goods, via the Yuan peg.

Of course, we are really playing with fire on that one.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:45 | Link to Comment Batty Koda
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OI  NOI! War with Iran means WW3.

Who knows what kind of shiz these eggheads have been inventing in their military-industrial complex funded labs, I don't want to find out. That's why if it kicks off I'm OUTTA HERE, off to live on the Yorkshire moors with my tent, beans, rice, cooking equiptment and a hell of a lot of dat sticky dosia to keep me company.

Hopefully it won't come to this but you can't eat hope, you can't use it as a nuclear bunker either.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:01 | Link to Comment Walter_Sobchak
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If you buy gold then you're with the terrorists - please wake me up from this nightmare

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:21 | Link to Comment tired1
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This will send a strong message of deterrance to Canada!

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 09:37 | Link to Comment bugs_
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disguised as an old man!

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:47 | Link to Comment Paul Bogdanich
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"Who knows what kind of shiz these eggheads have been inventing in their military-industrial complex funded labs"

I can tell you exactly.  Nuclear core, ERW fast neutron sheet effect with >60& energy to one hemisphere.  Along the Gaussian Axis of the neutron sheet are metal rods.  The neutrons convert the mass of the metal rods to high energy X rays that orient themselves down the long axis of the rod.  Area weapons.  Incredibly destructive.  The Russians have knwn about this since we started the development project in 1980.  It was published in Aviation Week and Space Technology for Gods sake.  I doubt whether they have been sitting on their hands this entire time.  Further because the Russians know China must also know.  Non of them are orbital as far as I know.  I suspect they are sub orbital housed on trident launch platforms. 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 01:16 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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What does Snookie have to say about this?

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 01:05 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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Xray lasers make her feel all tingly.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 09:00 | Link to Comment aheady
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The Situation is getting out of hand.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 15:05 | Link to Comment Batty Koda
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Interesting. Maybe the Anglo-American empire think they can take on Russia, China and Iran with these advanced weapons, this is worrying. If the nuclear age is over and MAD is out the window we are in serious trouble.

I'm sure HAARP ties into this techology somehow. You mentioned orbital weapons, the Project for a New American Century document released in the year 2000 sets out a plan for "full spectrum dominance" by the US. This includes domination of space, before 9/11 Cheney was refused the funding he wanted for militarising space, the day after 9/11 he applied again and recieved the funding in full.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:46 | Link to Comment Cheyenne
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"With republicans back in control..." we get spiffy bank bailout screeds like this one from John Boehner:

http://maxkeiser.com/2010/11/07/meet-john-boehner-in-2008-on-how-voting-...

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:24 | Link to Comment scaleindependent
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Boner Bitches!

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:55 | Link to Comment patience...
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What a dickwad, as many times as he sticks his tounge out when talking

he look like some kind of lizard. 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 01:07 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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Compare to Anita Dunn, and he seems quite normal.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:38 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Tongue Bitchez! (Bastardz)

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:13 | Link to Comment Cheesy Bastard
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You called?

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 18:39 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Rodent,

No, she is the Lizard Woman.

And a top echleon member of "V".

When a top member of the Oh-Bama group tells an auditorium one of her ALL TIME  favorites from history is Mao,you know the voters really screwed the pooch in '08.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 06:02 | Link to Comment The Navigator
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The lesser of two evils doesn't help us - to compromise on principles is our destruction - thus the two party system is a one party system and is our demise. How far can or will we fall? We can extend and pretend and in 15 years we could be quite a different nation than what was 1900 to 1980. Prepare what you can for your children and grandchildren to save them from idiocracy - education, future wealth (land, Ag, Au, Pb) or dual citizenship. I hope we can stay and fight a non-violent war for truth but history is not on our side for non-violence if truth be told.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:51 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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++++++++++++++++++++++!!!

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:46 | Link to Comment putbuyer
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He is a piece of shit. Listen to me.

I'd like your opinion on something. QE2 is gonna kill the lower 20% - higher everything. Ben has no soul nor does Barry. I ask you, why do we as a free people need to take it in the ass, with no recourse. I say no we do not. Collectively, if we could take down one of the pillars, the whole shit would fall. So what I'm saying is, if we could join forces - bloggers and readers, and call for a bank run on Bank of America, we could kill QE2 and all of it, in it's tracts. We could save the people from starvation and misery. No matter what. I am gonna post and post and post and youtube, and Yahoo answer, and whatever till something happens. I will buy signs and put them on the side of the highway. No way am I going to take this shit anymore. I have been inspired by the video below. I have often dreamed of living off the grid. Ben is trying to save the insolvent banks through QE so no ones knows, but at a inflation cost to Americans. Where is his love of the people? We are mere sheep to him. He figures that soup lines and stamps are good enough. He sees not the humiliation of hard working people having to beg. He sees only animals and not people. He see dogs and pigs and then he goes home to his goose liver and Kobe steak. We need to fight this fucker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJKd0rkKss
 
My family bounced from 2 socialist countries to finally be legally naturalized here. Now we have this?
No fucking way.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:12 | Link to Comment RoRoTrader
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Remarkable story. Remarkable man. He intended to stay only for a year and ended up staying almost the rest of his life. There were about about 6 bear attacks over that span if I remember correctly so some close calls.

It was all very well thought out.......all by hand.......guess it shows the value of a man's labor and a man's word.

There was another story although much less known of a former RCMP officer who went into the wilderness of Northern British Columbia in the 1950s and spent 1 year alone with his wife.

Too bad that kind of integrity seems so difficult to find.

Here is the title of a book you may like; Lure Of The Labrador Wild.......it is also a true story, although harsh it has a poignant ending.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:59 | Link to Comment Cheyenne
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Great video.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:12 | Link to Comment Jones79
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good vid.  thx for sharing.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:45 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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@ putbuyer,

Excellent ZH-er Village Idiot and I rallied to the cause of taking $500 out of the ATMs not too long ago.  Should we join the European's Dec. 7th take the money out?

100% agree that QE2 (3,4,5) is so completely bogus that it disgusts me, as a native American (with a Peruvian-American wife!).

Be looking in the next few several days about more chatter about Dec. 7 being an important day. 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:57 | Link to Comment patience...
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I thought we were all americans.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:29 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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That's "All American" used as an adjective, like a hot dog or an apple pie.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 19:07 | Link to Comment DosZap
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On ZH's site?,what you smokin?.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 07:30 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Why not take all of your money out of the bank? That's what I do.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:18 | Link to Comment SteveNYC
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Ditto.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:33 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Why not take all of your money out of the bank? That's what I do.

On Saturday night I took my money out and we got dinner and went to a show. Tomorrow I'm taking it to the zoo.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 11:53 | Link to Comment Byte Me
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Check...

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:08 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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Only our working budget amount is in the bank now.  It feels good.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 19:14 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Why, it's just as worthless now, as if it was there?.

Since it's depreciating by the day, I suggest you invest it in NON paper goods.

Gld/Slvr/Agri./Oil

Keeping only what you need to get by on on a monthly basis.

ALL currencies are screwed,ours sucks worst, but none will be left to  stand.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 19:56 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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Already did. ;)

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:31 | Link to Comment Unlawful Justice
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Ditto  

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Dantzler
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[moved]

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:46 | Link to Comment zaknick
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yep

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 01:26 | Link to Comment fig
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Let's join the French and other Europeans, aim for December 7th

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/december-7-unofficial-pan-european-bank-mutiny-day

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 03:11 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Well, that explains the need for QE 2.0.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 12:59 | Link to Comment Dantzler
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I finally convinced my wife to let me pull most of the money from our one remaining TARP bank account. Not going to stuff it under the mattress but rather move it to a credit union account. 12/7/10

I moved my comment so as not to respond to some one who advocates killing and raping. Classy guy, that fatasswilly.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 18:48 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Dantzler,

WHY in the hell would you put your FRN's in a damned CU?

They are insured by the same dicwads as where it's at now, and they are in a shiteload of trouble also.( any institution insured by the FedDicks is not safe).

Like the man said, WHERE/WHAT is safe NOW?,Gold,Silver,Agri,Oil...........other than that, you screwed.

Everyone pulls their FRN's, DAMN well better have something to exchange them for, or spend all at once.

Cause we will be screwed,if everyone does it at once.

 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 19:56 | Link to Comment ArmchairRevolut...
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Having a bank account is necessary unless you have figured out how to pay your utility bill with gold.  Moving your money from a bank to a credit union does two things: 1) it removes it from the banks that are too big to fail that use it as a source of capital as a basis for fractional reserve banking.  The big banks using derivatives are levering at much greater than the 10% reserves. 2) credit unions are limited to 25% cap reserves. Thus by putting your money in a credit union you are reducing the amount that your money gets watered down.

If you have a bank account, close it and open an account with a credit union.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:44 | Link to Comment cossack55
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He's in the wilderness? Don't think so.  More like paradise.  Been to any of our piece of shit cities lately.  You want wilderness.  Live in Detroit for a year. You'll need more than a bolt action rifle.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:56 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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Yes, fucking way. It has come to this. It really is on.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:46 | Link to Comment Fraud-Esq
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NEOCONSERVATIVES:

That's the word you should use. They're back. They were very involved in the 2010 election. Look at the donations to PA's Senate race. That was just the tip of the iceberg in '10. David Broder last week, they're all jumping. 

Israel's right and our neocons (much the same) are working overtime. Mort Zuck's bashing from Spring thru today is tied directly to this. 

Rank and file tea partiers, beware of infiltration. It's already a done deal with most tea party winners in '10. (Let's see what Rand Paul has to say, very curious if they rubbed daddy off him.)

NEOCONSERVATIVES are looking at 2012 at the year we roll out the war machine again...Iran. AIPEC was targeting american jews hard in 2010 testing their message, trying to split that vote away from the Dems based on the old dual loyalty card. Didn't work in '10. Not gonna stop them in '12. J-Street is pushing back pretty well.

Too bad the GOP has this disease at the heart of the party. It's a deal-breaker for me.   

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:49 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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Fraud, of any of the things that you can legitimately call Senator Gramnesty, NEO-CON ain't one of them. - Ned

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:54 | Link to Comment Fraud-Esq
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Well - he's a politician, he's close to Lieberman and he's been spending a lot of time in Israel. Perhaps he's ready. 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:40 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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NeoCons were (get ready for it) Jews.  Who were previously saw the world from left of Marx.  Mostly NYC types (there you go).  They had strong convictions in the Red-diaper-doper-baby realm.  Then they "saw the light" and turned the same energy as anti-Communist.  Horowitz still persuasive vs. e.g. Hamas/Hezb'Allah shills.  Kristol pere.  Paul Wolfowitz.  One thing to be said for them--they all have backbone in support of their point of view.

Ol' Lindsay, on the other hand, well, lets check in the background department, nope.  Backbone?  None to be found.  Should he find other work (maybe doing searches for the real owners in S.C. real estate?)--Yes.  I'm sure that he will get some help in finding new line of work in forthcoming elections. 

Did I mention no backbone?

- Ned

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 01:38 | Link to Comment Fraud-Esq
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I don't think EITHER have backbone, but I get your point. Military and ex-military men tend to hate shinny, never-serving neocons with a passion. 

Doug Feith comes to mind.

Mon, 11/08/2010 - 03:30 | Link to Comment laughing_swordfish
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Just my zweipfennigs worth, but I don't see the US military just raving with enthusiasm about yet another no-win war in the "Land Of Sand".

In fact, many of those currently serving are in fact Very Well Informed that the same folks beating the drums for "War With Iran" are the same members of that Certain Religious Minority that has brought this country to its knees.

In fact, most serving military would gladly return to this country to deploy some much-needed "shock and awe" (as in martial law and military justice) against the bankster segment of this Certain Religious Minority. Many see the Iraq and Afghan adventures as a ploy to remove the military as an obstacle to the complete takeover of the nation and its economy by this shadowy and disloyal group of alien outsiders.

As Julius Streicher, editor of Die Stuermer, said in 1933, "one co-operates with International Jewry as one co-operates with Bubonic Plague"

Mon, 11/08/2010 - 08:04 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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I'd add Feith to the list--good book, though. - Ned

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 18:56 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Guess you prefer Socialism, and Fascism then huh?.

Cause that what we HAVE, and the end result if Oh-B stays around is the F solution.

We HAVE the deal breaker NOW with me.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:46 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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With republicans back in control, it was only a matter of time before the military-industrial complex reminded the world of its existence.

ur an idiot. both parties support the military ind. complex. there's no difference betwenn (r) and (d).  not falling for ur false paradigm.

 

 

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:57 | Link to Comment Fraud-Esq
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I agree with you, mostly. But - it's a matter of degree and assumption of risk. You can't deny the R's (with Obama being the D this time) are willing to assume more risk with preemptive war in this decade. 

At least the D's have an active base against it, like the R's used to. Ron Paul was right, he was the most conservative candidate on the stage...

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 03:12 | Link to Comment i-dog
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"it's a matter of degree "

No, it's not. It's a matter of 'for' or 'against' war. I'm against it ... it's that simple.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 04:12 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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I agree, but look how far down the list of comments we are.

All who believe that a war with China would be an exchange of conventional weapons is insane.

All who believe that anyone wins a nuclear exchange is insane.

Anyone that believes that participating in a 'Mad Max' scenario will be fun, after a nuclear exchange, is beyond insane. You want a taste of what it will be like? Pick a random group of armed people and start shooting at them, see how much fucking fun it is when they fill your stupid ass full of holes! IOWs, try a little small scale war of your very own prior to reccommending it for the rest of the world!

I'm really getting tired of ass hats that think being involved in a world war, or attacking Iran or China or any other soverign, would be 'fun'.

 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 04:25 | Link to Comment RECISION
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+1

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 04:44 | Link to Comment i-dog
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"I'm really getting tired of ass hats that think being involved in a world war, or attacking Iran or China or any other soverign, would be 'fun'."

I suspect none of them actually plan on being personally involved!! Just like the congressmen who vote for the wars then ensure that their own children get special dispensations to serve at home on weekends, or not at all.

In any event, neither China nor Russia will be all that fascinated with the US cornering the Iranian oilfields.

I therefore think that the current drum beating over Iran is a diversion away from the real plan of a rapid buildup of martial law in the western 'democracies'. In just the last few days, there have been reports of US ground troops being stationed on civilian control "training exercises" in the UK and Australia. The frog is getting hotter.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 06:30 | Link to Comment AUD
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Yes, US troops can now 'share' the use of military bases here in Australia.

Not exactly sure what this means. Don't think Australian military facilities have been 'off limits' to US troops in the past. NW Cape & Pine Gap come to mind.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 07:14 | Link to Comment i-dog
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That's why Frau 'von Ribbentrop' Clinton is now down in Australia. She is up to no good, and the Australian Labor Party government is fully in the pocket of the oligarchs (not that the opposition ex-GoldmanSachs Turnbull and his mates would be any less accomodating).

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:30 | Link to Comment SteveNYC
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Sad but true. Keep them occupied with house prices, auction clearance rates in Sydney, and interest rates, and nobody will even notice what's going on down there.

Get vigilant Australia, you don't know how close you came to being run by Goldman Sachs last time around.....

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:54 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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War with China will boil down to an exchange of conventional weapons (in addition to new forms of destruction).

This will culminate in nuclear warfare; the elites have nothing to lose anyway, because they are old and will be dead soon. Oh, and oil will be gone in about 17 years.

So, Mad Max is inevitable. This will be very, very fun.

"the mind is its own place, and in itself
can make a heav'n of hell, and a hell of heav'n"

I'm 22 years old, and quite certain that you are much older than I am. You are old, and will be dead soon. How would you have reacted, at 22, to a world like this?

In response to this horseshit that people call the "land of opportunity," I've developed a very simple philosophy for life:

Kill men, rape women.

What other choice do I have?

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 09:17 | Link to Comment Green Leader
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"What other choice do I have?"

Kill women, rape men.

You're well on your way to become a 'global loser'.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 09:33 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Women are smaller and weaker, and unworthy of killing. They also have a hole known as a vagina, good for raping.

Men are larger and stronger, worthy of killing. No vagina.

How am I on my way to becoming a loser? All you have done is spew illogical, faggoty bullshit and attempt to insult me, with no explanations nor analysis; I fail to see why your opinions are worth anything at all.

Typical liberal green idiot. You probably think "racism" is the same thing as "idiocy," too. I'll be sure to throw extra trash on the ground next time I'm out hiking, just for you. Faggot.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:06 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Please grow up, I understand some anger, your entitled to it if your truly 22.   But killing and raping is not funny and your not shocking anyone so knock it off. 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 10:39 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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I'm calm, dimwit.

World War III is on the way. Do you understand what it's like to live through a world war? I doubt it.

I've been trying to learn, however; my grandfather was born in 1923.

I'm not trying to shock anyone; my attitude is simply an adjustment to the realities of world war. Get used to it, because it will become a very, very common philosophy.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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I see your calm, I said grow up..  Don't you all love it when a 22 yo pops up his pinhead to educate us, granpappy telling me what war is about yes siree Bob..

No problem, I was acclimated much more so than you from your statements I can guarantee it.  I have fought for my life, you, doubt it..  Which is why you  glamorize violence with your language.  Describe your juvenile fantasies somewhere else, tool, the adults are talking.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Bob
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+1 unforgettable trip to the woodshed with Dad.  Or the hug he never got. 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 21:42 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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No, you described me as angry, the opposite of calm.

Anyway, are you a fucking idiot? I've stated multiple times that I'm glorifying violence only because this entire situation has been forced upon me. I have no choice. You call me a pinhead, yet fail at reading comprehension.

Sad that I'm younger and smarter than you at the same time.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 14:38 | Link to Comment Diogenes
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The oligarchs want you like this: angry, isolated, ready to kill or rape with no inhibitions. Just waiting for a cause to join and a great leader to tell you what to do.

 

It's guys like you that formed the backbone of Hitler's Storm Troopers.

What they fear is brains, character, humanity and organization. They fear those things like poison.

 

 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 21:44 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Yes, I've read the rise and fall of the third reich many times.

I'm Hitler, not some SA grunt. Way too smart to be a grunt.

Also, I'm not angry. Very calm.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 13:41 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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Oh noez!  Tough Guy on the Internet alert!

You'd better stick to the cities with that life philosophy; you won't last long elsewhere.

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