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Senator Lindsay Graham Warns Of War With Iran, Confrontation With "Cheating" China
With republicans back in control, it was only a matter of time before the military-industrial complex reminded the world of its existence. It took about 72 hours: republican senator Lindsay Graham, who apparently has not received the memo that all modern wars are now waged in binary, and are won by those who can push the FX bid/ask the furthest and the fastest away from equilibrium, spoke at the Halifax International Security Forum, giving a very distinct taste of what US foreign policy is about to look like: "Iran is a major threat to any conceivable world order" and that he sees an almost inevitable confrontation with Iran. As AP reports, the South Carolina Republican saw the United States going to war with
the Islamic republic "not to just neutralize their nuclear program, but
to sink their navy, destroy their air force and deliver a decisive blow
to the Revolutionary Guard, in other words neuter that regime." And the Democrats, still in shock over their recent pummelling, will likely not have the resolve to respond palliatively to such warmongering, which they likely deem as supported by the broad population: "US Democratic Senator Mark Udall, who joined Graham during a panel
discussion at the forum in Halifax, Nova Scotia, urged continued
sanctions against Iran. But he also noted that "every option is on the
table," a thinly veiled reference to possible military action." And just when the world was getting along so well, and all the international bickering appeared to be taking place over various Forex terminals...
More from AP:
The United States faces a possible war with Iran to curb its nuclear ambitions and a "period of confrontation" with China over its currency, a top US lawmaker warned Saturday.
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said his fellow conservative, fresh from their historic elections romp this week, support "bold" action to deal with Iran.
If President Barack Obama "decides to be tough with Iran beyond sanctions, I think he is going to feel a lot of Republican support for the idea that we cannot let Iran develop a nuclear weapon," he told the Halifax International Security Forum.
"The last thing America wants is another military conflict, but the last thing the world needs is a nuclear-armed Iran... Containment is off the table."
Furthermore, the fact that Iran recently converted 15% of its $100Bn+ in reserves into gold did not win it any brownie points with the global central banking cartel.
Yet perhaps war may be avoidable:
Democrats may gain surprise support for continued diplomacy from some ultra-conservative Tea Party newcomers to Washington who diverge on foreign policy matters with their Republican brethren.
Various UN resolutions and sanctions have sought to halt Iran's uranium enrichment activities, so far having little effect.
Then again, maybe not. It has been a while since assorted logistic and military airplane manufacturers reported blowout quarters. Time to change that.
And if Graham has his way, soon the US may need to send an aircraft carrier or 17 over to the South China Sea.
Graham also warned of a forthcoming "period of confrontation" with China over its "cheating" currency manipulation.
US and European lawmakers have called for a stronger Chinese currency as their economies struggle to recover from the global financial crisis. US lawmakers claim the yuan is grossly undervalued and causes global trade imbalances.
Several countries ranging from Japan to Colombia have intervened in recent weeks to make their currencies cheaper in the hope of exporting their way out of the downturn, fueling fears of a global currency war.
Currency tensions boiled over at the recent annual meetings of the International Monetary Fund in Washington, with China rejecting calls for a quick revaluation.
Surely, those cheating Chineses will be delighted to be called cheats again, just two days after advisors to the PBoC called unbridled printing of dollars "the biggest risk to the global economy and said China should use currency policy and capital controls to cushion itself from external shocks." We can't wait to read the glowingly favorable, two thumbs up rebuttal in tomorrow's China Daily.
Perhaps before we hit the launch button, we should familiarize ourselves with the following chart which shows that for the first time ever China is now ahead of the US in number of warships.
Last but not least, we are eagerly awaiting the release of a tape by Al Qaeda, spotlighting bin Laden's congratulations to the republican party over their victory.
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Have you seen any of their ballistic missiles work? What are they called? Have they tested it on moving targets? How will China find the ships to target? Satellites that they do not have? Communications satellites are not the same as ocean reconnaisance satellites (RORSATS). You dont know what you are talking about.
"or a hundred WW2 era destroyers with a crew of conscripts?"
You absolutely err in devaluing the character of the Chinese military man. They are very capable, dedicated and very principled. They could easily do a lot of damage to a larger fleet particularly their submarine force which is designed to be local and lethal.
You're spot on with the sub threat. I just read that they have 86 submarines in that small patch of ocean they claim rights to. Eighty six subs in a small sea is a deadly swarm any way you look at it. That means they intend to deny a sea borne invasion by being able to enforce an embargo to its neighbors who flirt with the banksters' ideas world domination.
That swarm will encounter passive mark 48's dropped into that entire section with acoustic ears listening. Once the low frequency order is given they self activate 86 becomes 20 quite quickly or they stay in port..
I hope we see who's wrong. I really, really do!!
I think you mean mk 46's. Anyway, good to hear from someone who actually knows what he is talking about instead of these amateurs who hear one soundbite from CNN and think they can plan naval strategy.
Principled and capable, huh? Is that why they develop high end condos for sale onmilitary land in Shenzhen?
Is that why the PLA never tries to confront Somali pirates?
One of my Chinese students says he doesn't think his military could beat anyone.
Well maybe you should go and try and risk the empire doing it.
I am sure that the Chinese army man are capable & dedicated. However, the navy is a different animal all together. Napoleon had a near-invincible army but it could not subdue the British fleet. Also, their submarine force are still diesel-electrics. They need to surface & snorkel & their range is limited. Taking down a carrier is NOT easy. US subs are as capable if not more so. They are all nukes with better range & endurance. China is not likely to control the seas unless it gets very lucky.
Obama's going to compromise and attack Yemen. I'm just waiting for the day. It's coming...
Maybe. End game is we are getting all our shit over there so we can invade our best friends the Saudis. They have all the oil, and when they decide Ben has made the dollar worthless and the PetroDollar doesn't work for them any longer, we'll either invade them or our currency will be done within 2 months. We'll try to crash the Euro again so they'll change their mind, but it probably won't work. And I'm sure we have the keys to all their military hardware, so it'll come down to what the Chinese and Russians are going to put up with. From a public propaganda perspective, I'm inclined to agree with those who think something bad is coming. The question really does come down to the "event" that they are going to blame on them that will get everybody so riled up that 9/11 will seem like a minor incident.
Followed closely by "humanitarian" occupation of Somalia.
JFK was aggressively opposed to Israel ever having nukes and triggering an arms race. Not one of these neocons mentions the natural desire to have nukes when your enemy does. They talk about the young Iranians, as Linsey did, taking over their government after we bomb them. We love those under 40 Iranians, don't we.
Problem is, every poll in Iran will tell you, no matter how liberal and reform minded they are - they all still want nuclear weapons.
Why wouldn't they? We would, if we didn't.
The ONLY way out of this logical trap is imposing a "nuclear-free middle east" on everyone, including Israel. It's the only thing that appears fair. Eisenhower had a great relationship with the Muslim middle east. It would be a great help to continue that with our upcoming competition with China. Instead, our relationship with a nation of 7 million people threatens to upset all geopolitical design.
Even Petreaus gets it. He is not Israel's best friend, if you read up on it, you will see. He had Israel is spasms a few months ago....
They shall have their genocide.
Yes, they will.
Google radiation experiment + Sephardic children.
Payback's a bitch.
Bullshit.
The people who did that to the jews are now their partners. That's why Edwin Black ended up pulling his punches on the fascists and their eugenics bent here having been the root of the ethnic cleansing. They even used it as a defense by the accused at Nuremberg:
Carrie Buck v. James Hendren Bell, Superintendent of State Colony
for Epileptics and Feeble Minded
Citations 274 U.S. 200 (more)
47 S. Ct. 584; 71 L. Ed. 1000
The ruling was written by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. In
support of his argument that the interest of the states in a "pure"
gene pool outweighed the interest of individuals in their bodily
integrity, he argued: We have seen more than once that the
public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It
would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap
the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not
felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being
swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if
instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to
let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who
are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that
sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting
the Fallopian tubes.
Holmes concluded his argument with the infamous phrase "Three
generations of imbeciles are enough".
No, this genocide stems from their own evil. That and juden fetzen!
You have it wrong.
The Ashkenazis & Edomites couldn't afford the Sephardim to become a majority in Israel. Now they make up less than 9%.
They are working on the rest that are residing somewhere else, if you ask me. Their plan will backfire.
I put 100% of my 401k in US equity market, it will pass 1300 sooner than most people think.
So it passes 1300. How are equities doing against gold? LOL
Stratfor's view on Obama and Iran.
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20101025_us_midterm_elections_obama_iran
Same shit, different day, all over again.
Fuckers are stone deaf.
I mean really! Isn't that about all that can be said? Sure is a lot of hand wringing on this simple topic. War -- no war -- so what. Time to pull the foundations on this shack.
Americans have little idea how weak their position is right now, militarily and economically. We could scarcely defeat a weakened country like Iraq - and 'won' only by buying off the Sunni's - and we are thinking about Iran ? and China ?
The military power the US has is based on outdated modes of projection. Aircraft carriers are large targets in today's world.
Y'all are gonna miss the Republic.
The Empire will tap resources like there is no tomorrow.
Carriers kick ass, and all those mothballed ships will have crews worked up in less than six months.
Rock and roll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIYv-uvsPOI&feature=fvst
CHORUS:
Fight the good fight every moment
Every minute every day
Fight the good fight every moment
It's your only way
All your life you've been waiting for your chance
Where you'll fit into the plan
But you're the master of your own destiny
So give and take the best that you can
You think a little more money will buy your soul some rest
You'd better think of something else instead
You're so afraid of being honest with yourself
You'd better take a look inside your head
Nothing is easy, nothing good is free
But I can tell you where to start
Take a look inside your heart
There's an answer in your heart
Grahm is a bought and paid for political whore of the jooz. The Iranians are NOT our enemy, Israel is!
Israel and Israeli ambitions are the enemy of any true American.
Russia will protect Iran with secondary support from China. There will be gorilla support from almost all Muslims on the planet.
Do you really think a war with Iran is in this countries best long term interests?
I believe this is further justification to accelerate the decline of the US dollar. Hold your shorts.
Russia will protect Iran with secondary support from China. There will be gorilla support from almost all Muslims on the planet.
That seems obvious to me.
That's "guerrilla", not "gorilla". People who infest this site are easily confused.
Russia protect Iran? Not likely.
The Iranians are busy supporting Muslim insurgencies in Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetsya, all Russian territories.
I look rather for the Russians to rather try to pre-emptively "destabilize" Iran, and then move in with the Red Army (which they have been very rapidly rebuilding) under the guise of "protecting" the Persian Gulf.
Having Russia on the Persian Gulf in full control of Iran (a goal since Czarist days) would quickly have us wistfully remembering the days of the mullahs...
And the Israeli ambition is to simply exist?
And a "True American!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w
That video is horrible. It needs a red bouncing ball and some music.
I'm not sure what your are trying to say. More complete thoughts would be appreciated.
If you reference a Youtube URL please include a brief synopsis of the content in the video so I don't waste my time in rabbit holes. Thx.
That video is horrible. It needs a red bouncing ball and some music.
I'm not sure what your are trying to say. More complete thoughts would be appreciated.
If you reference a Youtube URL please include a brief synopsis of the content in the video so I don't waste my time in rabbit holes. Thx.
Iranians are training Muslim gorilla's to strap on bombs? Wow. Guess an 800Lb gorilla could pack quite a wallop.
Amen, bro.
Lindsay Graham is .... no words -
edit - whoops - nothing to do with LG but still a fun vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdW025xZr8U
he he
And I really don't care what his religious beliefs are or what his sexual orientation is. I just want to know who he is taking money from. And please if you can't back it up, don't mention it. And yes I've had a long week.
Dear Class - please watch 2001 A Space Odyssey - apes with bones bashing in each other's brains - and HAL 9000.
War is as natural as eating, defecating, fornicating, and love.
Like love, War should only engaged in when absolutely necessary.
Hmmm... "the last thing the WORLD needs is a Nuclear Armed Iran"...
Define "world"...
Is that the same as the US and Israel?
Actually I doubt the WORLD gives a rats arse either way.
I doubt the WORLD really feels any threat from a nuclear armed Iran at all.
But yeah, I can see how the Zionists and Neocons do.
But hey, that's the same thing as - THE WORLD - right?
BTW, does the WORLD want a Nuclear armed, ponzi-fraud ridden, nutjob USA either?
The budget should be balanced, the treasury refilled, public debt reduced, the arrogance of officialdom tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands curtailed, lest Rome become bankrupt.
- Cicero
A politician thinks of the next election; a statesman, of the next generation.
- James Freeman Clarke
+2.71^3.14
Honestly, who junked this?
If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.
- President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993
The strength of the Constitution lies entirely in the determination of each citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels duty bound to do his share in this defense are the constitutional rights secure.
- Albert Einstein
Is it any wonder that .gov exhibits such fear of the Oath Keepers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers
Also, consider this.
USA bombs Iran - Iran pours its army into Afghanistan.
- Blocks the Khyber Pass within the first couple of day.
- US forces in Afghanistan are starved of food, water, ammo and fuel.
- (China supplies, among other things, MANPADS to Taliban and Iran?)
- Surrounded US forces are defeated in detail.
- The same thing as happened to the British happens to the US, and tens of thousands of American soldiers never come home. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Elphinstone%27s_army
Could America prevail in a direct full scale war in Afghanistan?
Who knows - would you want to throw those dice?
Dude, we are in Iraq to pincer Iran.
We will not war with them, but bomb them back to the stone age. Look at a map.
Like this one:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Middle-East-map.gif
Ohh I know exactly where Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan are.
And just how confident are you that the US can bomb Iran fast enough to stop the Iranian Army swarming US forces in Afghanistan and cutting them to pieces. The US position there is already difficult enough, MANPADS in volume and cutting the Khyber supply line = clusterfuck.
And bombing Iran from Iraq might not be straightforward either. The Iraq's might get a little squirrelly on ya there. And then you could have a fight on two fronts.
Escalation is a bitch...
Quite confident. Human waves don't do too well against cluster munitions.
Bring it.
If the US is killing Shiites in windrows, the Sunnis will gleefully help.
Bring it.
Iran has gotta go. Sorry it that bums your trip, but they brought it on themselves.
We will never allow Iran to play a nuclear terrorism game with ME oil fields. And if European countries say differently, they are lying sacks of hypocritical shit.
Why?
Because they won't bend the knee to the US and Israel?
Ahhh, you gotta love an Armchair General don't you.
Free flow of oil at market prices.
Threaten that and you will be destroyed.
That is as simple as I can make it.
So...
That means that a nuclear Iran = threat to the free flow of oil...?
Hmmm...
Yeah, that might be a stretch.
In fact, that sort of equating kinda falls into the misdirecting/disinformation category.
Now - a threat to Israel - yeah, now that I can buy.
Iran has supported terrorism and has its dick skinners in every country it can.
It no longer gets the benefit of the doubt.
It brought this on itself.
The Green Revolution was Iran's last hope. Too bad it failed.
The United States of America has supported terrorism and has its dick skinners in every country it can.
It no longer gets the benefit of the doubt.
It brought this on itself.
... there, fixed it for ya. ;-)
BTW, I thought it was about Oil five minutes ago.
So it's terrorism now is it?
Or is it both?
I bet they smell bad too, huh?
Damn them filthy Aarabs - bomb them, bomb them all...
Except that the Iranians are Persians, and themselves think very little of the Arabs. One of the reasons the US is so embroiled in the region is not so much to keep the islamic states off of Israel as it is to keep the Persians off the oil states.
Iran is an Aryan nation & the Zionists hate them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6j5xAy_bWo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LJBDNucAws&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfuUx5uX__g
The Arab nation, on the other hand, is under the protection of the Ishmaelite covenant.
There is no enmity between the sons of Ishmael and the sons of Ya'akov.
hmmm...
Note to self: Stop matching wits with unarmed opponents.
It still is.
Nukes make it about a lot of oil. And that is the problem. Exporting terror goes to their mindset.
That plus nukes just can't be allowed, unless you want to see the West fall.
Would the term Nuclear Blackmail work better for you?
Suppose the Iranians are smarter than you think. Suppose after we attack them their retalitory move is to destroy the large refineries in Saudi Arabia. Just as human waves don't do well against cluster munitions you don't do so well without your refined fuel. All your middle east bastions would be effectively frozen in place. You ability to resupply by air limited. Plus it would bankrupt all their arab enemies and the Western speculators e.g. the United States. Oil would be a dollar a barrel and gasoline would be $550 a barrel. Is anyone hedged for that?
Hey, wait a minute. Aren't a significant portion of Saudi oil fields in Shia majority regions?
If they get the nukes and delivery systems, they can do all that manipulating with just a threat.
A few emails between them and GS, and we are talking real money.
Ugh. Newly empowered young guns will have Graham's back.
China has told DC to screw itself, their not buying our treasuries. Their pushing their weight around the precious metals market and giving FED a scare of a dollar run and market collapse. The only card left is threating people. The only problem, as we have seen since WW2 that doesn't work anymore. We make a huge mess which costs a fortune and since we gave away our industrial might our teeth are falling out.
Lindsay, get off your ass and start fixing things and stop beating the war drums. If you play that card you'll see politicians scrotum's hanging from poles in the Mall
no politicians will ever be hanged, forget it, politicians are not stupid and they have the whole army behind them, a remote airplane can take out any group of rebels in a matter of seconds
the only solution to china's strenght is they SELLING POWER, destroy it, put huge huge tarifs on their goods, no matter what it costs for the US economy, America like Germany MUST manufacture mostly at home, destroy unions whatever is reasonable not 100bucks for hour doiing nothing
Apple made in USA, everything again made in USA
ANY FOR OF TREASON give immidiate death sentence and hunt them down whereever they might be in the world
PUT ALL PRISONERS to work, all prisons must be PROFITABLE
STOP ALL BENEFITS, all people must work, if you can not, you must rely on charities but not the government
WHO doesnt work, put them to work in prison
Collect all illegals and make them either pay 100,000usd tax or deport them and confiscate all their goods
Put US ARMY on the southern border and shoot to kill orders
Close all contributions to IMF, world bank, africa, UN absolutly and forever
Give free work entrance for all Europeans with master, phd in fields USA needs and bonus payment of 15000usd for moving here
Hey...It worked in CUBA, why not here too.
The only thing that ever worked in CUBA its the accumulation of wealth of Castro Brothers, nothing else
But then again keep on dreaming of pensions and public benefits forever and of importing china made goods forever and prisons where prisons just work out and watch bootleg dvds all day long....one day you will crash from your dream back to earth and it wont even take more than 2-5 years
Ah, the smell of fascism in the morning! It smells like . . . the wet dream of victory.
First, Lindsay Graham is a RINO ... Republican in Name Only, because the R gets him re-elected. Otherwise he is somewhat D in words and deeds.
Second, Lindsay Graham is an idiot.
If the US is going to go to war, especially war for oil, it would make better sense for it to take on Venezuela and Mexico, both of which give it bigger problems in its home region that it will need to take on anyway.
you forgot one thing / country - ISRAEL...bingo
I would never call someone who has much more power than you an Idiot
personally i met Henry Kissinger and his bodyguards, Hillary Clinton, Schwarzneggers wife, Pete Wilson and the lady with the biggest baddest mantion in the Napa country named Nancy Pelosi, always wondered how a politician can have THE baddest mansion in the wine country......and i have seen many mansions in wine country
Perhaps this can answer your question:
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-pelosi-nancy.html
light loafers Graham only spouts what the CFR tells him. big open borders Lib who given the chance will go the way of Spector and jump to Dem party where he fits in just fine..the Term RINO was invented for him.
Won't happen-it would be like going to war with ourselves. Plus, we only go into wars with countries who have no real standing armies.
The problem is, we usually lose.
its NOT that we loose, its that the Hippies, Hollywood, Commies and other anti americans turn wars into a human right parade and tribunals for every combat person who steps out of the line.
With US weapons, Afghanistan should have been destroyed within few months (so could have iraq, vietnam, sudan whatever). No US personell should have been on the ground before there was no human movement down there. The arabs and afghanis respect someone who shows them a strong hand and laught at fags that call them selves generals while they let us solgiers die
Not to be un-macho because I will fight anybody if I have to, but why do we even need to be over there? Is there oil a good reason to start a nuclear war?
Most of the kids going over to the middle east don't realize what the fuck they are gettng into.
World war 2 was the last war where the US had a real reason to fight. Americans knew why they were fighting. They didn't have to be brainwashed.
We would save more money and young lives if this country put 1/2 the effort into supporting entrenpreneurial efforts at becoming energy independent with nuclear, gas, oil, and alternatives (in that order) than we do through neagative ventures like war and deceit of the American people.
its NOT that we loose, its that the Hippies, Hollywood, Commies and other anti americans turn wars into a human right parade and tribunals for every combat person who steps out of the line.
I've been hearing that excuse for over forty years. It just doesn't wash. If you know that the ranting of hippies will always lead to US defeat in warfare and yet you go to war anyway who's fault is that? Makes you sound kind of dumb.
Lindsay Graham is a fucking idiot. Don't get me wrong, I think GBU-10's are the greatest things ever invented, but what the fuck is Iran going to do with 1 or 2 nuclear weapons? Retake Omaha Beach? As long as the FED's continue printing money the US will continue to fuck with other countries. The fact that numbnuts wants to bomb Iran tells me we'll be leaving Iraq and/or Afghanistan soon. Monkeys never let go of one branch until they have a firm grip on the next.....
HOSER
What ever happened to Iran being invincible since Goldman and JPM set up shop there?
Nunber of warships? Are you counting dingies? Come on Tyler, scandalous plays, absurd does not.
Clearly paranoia is in control of this thread. We are not going to attack Iran or any one else for quite a while if ever. This is a financial blog let's get back to what is going to happen; financial collapse at home. We will then be quite vulnerable, as we are now, to an outside attack perhaps aided by quislings.
All this blather about neo cons, etc is a smoke screen we are all falling for. Get out the sixties it wasn't that much fun, except in the movies.
"aided by Quislings" Would that be our wonderful elected officials or lobbyists, or both? I'm thinking both.
. . .
War will occur before financial collapse, so the upper classes can stay in power. Apparently you don't understand that a small group of elites controls the United States.
My conclusion as well.
Its the old pick-pocket scam. The senator bumps into you with war talk to divert your attention, while Berny and the janksters steal your wallet.
Clearly paranoia is in control of this thread. We are not going to attack Iran or any one else for quite a while if ever."
really?? how about this website? how about peace on earth? and then what?
we are no different and its the same sun shining over this earth..."read the tea leaves"....ohh i forgot you WANT ....okay - everything will be all right...thats what you are programmed to hear ??? now can you function?
Pot, Meet Kettle...
ZH-
"Saturday Night's Comic Diversion" isn't loading properly for me....
Same here.
Me neither.
Guess they are looking to expand the military industrial congressionalcomplex bubble to help reinflate the world debt bubble. At some point there is no one left to invade. A potential WW3 scenario of mine is where the world once again takes on Nazism, this time with the US in the role that Germany made famous.
Edit: The US imperialistic model is in hyperdrive to add bases around the world. Just did a operation involving Yemen, Nigeria is on the scope, not to mention ongoing operations in South America. Isn't this model how the former Soviet Union collapsed?
Edit 2: I believe it is possible that there is more free market capitalism going on in a Tehran bazaar than on Wall Street in NYC.
Don't knock pillage and plunder as a tried and true way for empires to entertain themselves and refill their coffers.
But meethinks Iran and China are too far away, too risky.
I would propose we start with Canada instead - closer, easier. Lets invade, steal all their riches, rape their men and enslave their women.
Casus Belli? They foisted Keanu Reeves and William Shatner on us, for starters.
Why not just take their health care instead. No need to sneak across the border for cheap Pharma.
Actually Mexico is a good back burner candidate. CIA imports heroin from Afghanistan through Mexico, truckloads of guns magically cross the boarder from the US into Mexico. Wouldn't take much for the US to destabilize the government and come in for the stick save and set up some bases. So if none of the other saving the world for Freedom and Democracy plays pan out, I vote Mexico and then Canada.
Mexico has been cultivating and processing opium poppies for a very long time. Mexican opium was being smuggled into the US long before WW2. Here is a snip from UNESCO...
"The most important illegal plants cultivated in Mexico were poppy and marijuana. Coca plantations did not exist. For many decades opium trafficking was the main source - but obviously not the only one - of Mexican traffickers? revenues, the source of their primary accumulation. In the state of Sinaloa, people invented a special word, gomero (7), for opium traffickers."
http://www.unesco.org/most/astorga.htm
Mexico's government is already destabilized. Look a Juarez as a reference. Wouldnt take much for the US to invade Mexico and take over the oil fields and the beach resorts. Causus Belli? Infiltration of drug gangs and Mexican Army into the US (already happening in El Paso and Arizona). Rebuilding it would be a bitch though... of course they do have all the cheap construction labor locally, so there is a plus.
Just how does this faux deficit hawk (FDH) expect to pay for his wars? Oh wait I know another tax cut. Maybe he should listen to David Stockman... "The Bush tax cuts are “unaffordable,’’ he says. Extending them would be a “travesty.” President Obama’s stimulus program was “futile.” Ben S. Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, is undermining the whole economy. Today, Stockman says, “I invest in anything that Bernanke can’t destroy, including gold, canned beans, bottled water and flashlight batteries.”
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Issues/Budget-Impact/2010/10/06/David-Stoc...
Has Graham considered that the problem is not "cheating China", the problem is that we continue a trade policy designed to ship jobs off shore in order to enrich the elite. Maybe he should listen to someone from his hero's administration... Craig Paul Roberts. Here is a sample
"Now that a few Democrats and the remnants of the AFL-CIO are waking up to the destructive impact of jobs off shoring on the US economy and millions of American lives, globalism’s advocates have resurrected Dartmouth economist Matthew Slaughter’s discredited finding of several years ago that jobs off shoring by US corporations increases employment and wages in the US."
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts10282010.html
Get a grip Senator; other nations actually fight to keep jobs on shore. They clearly understand the national security importance of jobs. Not to mention rare earth minerals. You think we can continue to import our means of war from others? You think our high finance can save us with their financial engineering?
More dead beat debtor Republican policies, "Charge and Spend". Bush almost doubled the national debt by adding about 4 Trillion, not to mention he started with a budget surplus 2+ Billion and turned it into 1+ Trillion. The deficit and the debt are a result of Republican tax policies, Republican wars, and Republican great recession. Never mind the Bernanke is on their side, they appointed him and unfortunately Obama reappointed him. Neither party has clean hands.
Unfortunately, you can always fool Americans.
Tax cuts aren't "unaffordable" the debt, deficits, and money printing are what's unaffordable. Taxation is nothing more than theft, so to say it's "unaffordable" to stop stealing from people is to say that crime is ok as long as it is done for the "right" reasons which is obviously nonsense.
Of course you are right that republican policies are just as bad as democrat policies. Most everyone in government belongs to a gang of criminals, so we need to stop thinking the criminals are going to put a stop to the crimes they're committing. Participating in this fraudulent system just makes them believe they have a "mandate" to do whatever they want.
Americans are dumb, they support these douche bags to their peril. They loved killing Iraqi's even though it cost us our economy. Our blind support of Israel will be our certain doom!
I suspect that most Americans "get it" and are opposed to most of the crap the government pulls. They just think that they're the only ones who think that way and so they keep quiet.
A lot of people realize exactly what's going on, but they're still stuck on stupid when it comes to elections. They still believe that by voting for the "lesser of two evils" that somehow things will magically turn around. They're just putting off the inevitable, just like the Fed is doing with all this money printing. It's like ripping the band-aid off the wound. If you just rip it off it'll hurt like hell for a second but then it'll be over. If you slowly peel it off it hurts less but lasts for a much longer period of time. People are opting for the second method because they're terrified of the first.
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Does Iran have oil perchance?
DavidC
Marxist crap about "war for oil" yettagain. So did/does Iraq. Slants got it all. Not about oil. About Israel and its "security" requirements.
@"Graham also warned of a forthcoming "period of confrontation" with China over its "cheating" currency manipulation."
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no one likes us anymore, not even our own children. hmmm?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCim7mmLWRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGO42gvCSPI
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihKq34Ozc
"Mein Führer...! I can walk!!"I got the solution to this whole Middle East Jew/Muslim problem.
Consider South Baja, Baja Sur, in Mexico. 28,000 square miles, only half million people, pretty country, largely undeveloped, amazing coastline, close to USA, lots of potential
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baja_California_Sur
The solution is a big swap:
1) US grants amnesty/citizenship to a crapload of Mexicans.
2) In return, Mexico cedes South Baja to US
3) US grants South Baja to Israel, forming the new country of Baja Israel.
4) Israel relocates lock stock and barrel, holy stones and all, to Baja Israel, the new Jewish state.
5) Iran gives up on nukes, US takes what they got. US also takes Israel's nukes, and Baja Israel will of course be nuke free. The Middle East can fight over the former site of Israel, as they see fit.
So:
1) Mexicans love us for taking their unwashed masses and for planting on their under-developed peninsula an economic engine in the form of millions of industrious Israelis.
2) USA's illegal immigrant issue resolved.
3) Middle East tensions mitigated.
4) Iran nuke issue eliminated.
5) Jews can live without fear of nuclear annihilation, and in a more affluent region. Plus, Thousand Oaks is just a short flight away.
6) Massive development/economic boom as Baja is built out, reducing emigration out of Mexico.
Everyone wins, the Jews, Mexico, the Arabs, the Persians, the USA, the world. Obama too, as he for once appears not to be an empty suit, a sophomoric boob. Even I, Wimpy, benefit - for putting forth this brilliant solution, I will one day be granted a lifetime supply of burgers and the key to the City of Cabo San Jerusalem.
lol - I used to say this too but I would just offer Idaho.. yours seems like an easier swap. But then you will find out that the whole point IS endless conflict to spur the banksters to bury all taxpayers into endless debt for wars they never cared about..
Perhaps the day this swap happens is the day the endless-conflict paradigm comes to an end?...
It would take more than that for the switch you are talking about... but a first step indeed. The next would be near-free energy source and cures for cancer. Or we take baby steps and just legalize weed and harness hemp for all its worth. Anyone can grow it just about anywhere in the USA which removes the power structure.
That opens the door for where you are headed
I don't want Israel on the southern border - imagine would would happen if the Jews organized the drug cartels?
It wouldn't be on the border. The Baja peninsula is split into 2 Mexican states, Baha South, and Baha North. Baha North is one of the border states where the bad action takes place - Tijuana, Ensenada, etc. Baha South, on the otherhand, is mostly desolate. Only 1/2 million people in an area 3-4 times the size of Israel...
I'll tell you what, you asshole, lets put the Arabs, all of them in the Baja.
Makes as much sense, right?
TROLL
Imo get Popeye to open up a can o' Whupass on you, Clap
"Everyone wins."
How about we send only you down there.
I mean, with your laptop of course.
You forgot the Point Finale: demanding more lebensraum, Israel attacks Mexico. Or Texas. Or...
anyone who writes god as g-d is a fucking jackass... how about the other hundred things you don't strictly follow in whatever religion's rules you are faking to abide by??
Agree. I've got no use for G-D or GOD in whatever form. The only use religion has is to identify who the folks in power are going to fuck next.
How bout FU Graham? The only thing I am interested is fighting Oligarch puppets on both side of the oligarch coin ( dems and reps).
The american people are working harder and harder for less and less. It's time to overthrow this crappy government, the oligarch Fed and all these bullshit punks that never fought a war. Never has their ass hole wring up tight from holy hail raining down on them. Never had to drag their collective asses up dirty tired and hungry and fight for just one more sunrise.
If I have my way they will, and we will have to start removing those within reach that support this corrupt system, and slowly we may get within reach of the puppets and as we do the oligarchs will know how tight their ass holes can draw up.
We have no choice, either accept the crumbs the oligarchs are willing to give, or take what we want. Notice I didn't say "take our country back", cause it never was our country, they have always controlled it.
The revolution is past due and we will crush them or they will crush us. There is a reason police have been turned into para military, they are ready and waiting for you. The military gave me a front row seat to insurgent populations, and they can't win, that is up to us. We only lose when we do not oppose the puppets, the propaganda and the oligarchs. Once we start their fate is sealed.
If we fight, we will win. If we do nothing the game goes on.
Here's an idea.
Someone put up a website detailing the Names and Addresses and pictures of all the board members of the top corporations.
Something like a Child Molester location website.
Child molester website meets corporate boardmember directory meets wikileaks website.
Let the average person punch in their location into the car's GPS and drive over and ya know, just say thank you in a personal way???
See the search engine in the Federal Elections Commission's donor database...
http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/norindsea.shtml
That warship chart doesn't look right. Last time I checked, the U.S. had over 400 warships in active service, and hundreds if not thousands more mothballed. China's military is a joke compared to ours. The U.S. spends as much on the military as the rest of the world combined.
http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending#WorldMilitarySpending
Yea but we shop at Sachs 5th ave.
China shops at Wal-mart...who do you think gets the most for there money?
I too vote to turn them into a parking lot...oh wait, they already are one. What the hell, let's turn rubble into smaller rubble! Beats letting them wipe out the entire region.
How can a nation which you describe as consisting of "rubble" threaten to "wipe out the entire region?"
Let me get this straight, "Senator Lindsay Graham Warns Of War With Iran"
LOL.
Central bank websiteshttp://www.bis.org/cbanks.htm
Iran Central Bank:
The Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran
"Emerging Markets" Interview with BMJII Governor at the IMF-WB Annual Meetings
17 October 2010 http://www.cbi.ir/showitem/7500.aspx Before any war, you have to steal their nuclear fuel/medical technology first. Meanwhile...As defined by the General Assembly, the CCA is the common instrument of the United Nations system to analyse the national development situation and identify key development issues. Both a process and a product, the Assessment takes into account national priorities, with a focus on the Millennium Development Goals and the other commitments, goals and targets of the Millennium Declaration and international conferences, summits and conventions.
Through the CCA, the UN and its partners identify areas requiring priority attention, based on a common analysis of key development challenges within the country. The CCA also serves as a stepping-stone towards the formulation of the United Nations Development Assistance Framework (UNDAF), which articulates a common UN system response to a selected number of challenges identified, and sets the foundation for joint programming of UN Agencies in Iran.
http://www.un.org.ir/CCA_UNDAF.asp
Look out!!, Iran will be turned into glass, then they will look for the trade secret documents.
/Sarcasm off.
Lindsay is not a republican. He is a RINO.
There aren't any Republicans anymore and no Democrats. Everybody is either Red or Blue. This makes it easier to continue the game while masking the fact that there are no policy differences between the parties.
I tend to agree, as it was so in Rome at one time.
By the way, who is the douchebag marking everything "junk?"
Sorry, I'm new here.
Hi CJ and welcome. The junker probably didn't like my comment regarding Iran and then went to the trouble of junking most of my comments throughout this thread. I'd consider it quite the honor if it weren't totally meaningless.
I can never remember a week going by with out seeing a protest of thousands of Iranians chanting "Death to America" on the news. I take them at their word that they wish to kill me and my family. That isn't a product of our media. Its just covering what they have actually beein doing for 30 years. Fuck them, KILL THEM ALL!
OH dear!!
I suggest you engage brain
This is exactly how the media forum wants you to feel. Angry, and coercing you into becoming a lazy-boy armchair general.
Can you be Hypnotized?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnU2Ld1ttoE
I take them at their word that they wish to kill me and my family. That isn't a product of our media. Its just covering what they have actually beein doing for 30 years. Fuck them, KILL THEM ALL!
Your attitude threatens me and my family so fuck you and drop dead.
You guys have had a pretty bad beating in both Afghanistan and Iraq, previously in Vietnam.
There must be a little more imagination as to how to respond to those regimes other than sending young men over to be killed in their thousands
Hmmm. lets analyse that statment.
So, the US removed the government in Iraq, including the Hussein family, and replaced it with a sheethead of our choosing. Removed the government of Afghanistan and forced the Taliban and Al-Quaeda leadership to relocate to Pakistan. They lost the land. We installed our sheethead. True, the current administration is so desperate to run from those two countries that our sheet head is for sale to the highest bidder, but I wouldn't really call that a beating. Oh you must meant like in that karate movie were loosing was winning and winning is loosing.Or, you must mean that because those two countries have not achieved super power status and are not massive economic and social engines like Germany and Japan after WWII, we must have clearly lost. Well, give me a break, at least in Germany and Japan we had something to work with. Just because a caveman can switch to GEICO, doesn't mean he can become the next Einstein, Daimler or Honda.
It is all explained in Orwell's "1984."
And Lindsey Graham is worth listening to because...? He doesn't look like he's ever had a physical confrontation in his life. One thing for certain, the American people will not stand for another war, period. We've already pissed away our treasures and resources human or otherwise. Won't happen. Not now, not ever.
Last national public opinion poll I saw sez: 60% support US attack on Iran. Power of the media, and those who control it.
Lindsey Graham is a floater- a fucking turd that will not flush!
I feel sorry for the folks in South Carolina for having this traitor as a sitting Senator...
AC
p.s. claycalhoun: I wish we would not be in either war now, but we give the fucking beat downs, not take them...
Brilliant!
LMAO
Pssst... maybe you haven't been paying attention, they are not over yet...
and yet it ends up like a Sienfeld bit, Sure we can take a country, but holding the country is the most important thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSZYsyrP3Co
more war, bitchez!!!!!!!!!!
The belief that wars rescue economies in decline is myth. In fact, it is simply the 'broken window fallacy' writ large.
Here is a critical look at what happened, before, during and after WW2, with regard to the US economy.
Of course, WW2 was a long war fought with conventional weapons for the most part. WW3 would probably be a very short experience fought with nuclear weapons. So, time for an increase in employment would not be available.
http://www.acting-man.com/?p=5402#more-5402
Thanks Lindsay Graham from removing all doubt from people's minds that they are equally screwed no matter which side of the coin they pick to be their masters. The only solution is to stop voting. Stop validating the "elections" of these warmongering criminals.
If they held an election and nobody showed up, then we'd start seeing some real change.
I don't understand why you were junked, your comment is right on. For the first time, I "opted out" of voting. Criminals to the left, warmongers to the right...here we are stuck in the middle. Oh wait! Criminals to the right also!
Diebold would show up, so, no change...
having just moved to halifax, i can't tell you how miserable it felt to wake up today & discover that lindsay graham, condoleeza rice, & john mccain were all in town. should've gone somewhere even further away, i guess...
"Release" and "priest" should not be used in the same sentence, EVER!
So, it seems Jews AND Catholics are fair game on this shit blog.
You should see the way they treat us poor atheists.
Never mind the warship chart in the Article. We have a large number of Ships that has been reduced, sold, mothballed or otherwise disposed of for a variety of reasons down from our 600 ship Navy during the Cold War.
We will fight Iran at some point in the future, but if we wait until Iran takes out a City with a nuclear bomb or destroys a US Carrier then it's all over but the crying.
I believe that Iran can be beaten into submission in a matter of weeks, but I sure hope we dont need to invade the place on the ground. Too many mountains with passes easily choked off.
Red alert. Time to take your brain out of mothballs. Red alert.
We should mothball everything related to Gasoline and Desiels so that the Middle east will be out of the oil pumping business with prices at 2.00 a barrel.
Never mind my brain. It wont be the first time the Western World had a go around in Iran, Look back to the British Empire and other Empires past.
And whoever you junkers are, you will be unhappy indeed when the war breaks out. Are you ready?