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Senators Warn China That Escalations In South China Seas Threaten US "National Interests", China Likely To Retaliate

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Just because China was already delighted with Obama's reception of the Dalai Lama, here come John McCain and John Kerry warning China to mind it territorial waters, because apparently US national interests are threatened. Per the FT: “We are concerned that a series of naval incidents in recent months has raised tensions in the region,” said John Kerry, the Democratic chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee, and John McCain, the former Republican presidential candidate. “If appropriate steps are not taken to calm the situation, future incidents could escalate, jeopardising the vital national interests of the United States.” The logical follow up is glairngly obvious but here it is: "China is likely to see the comments as a provocation as they echo remarks by Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, last year that infuriated Beijing. Speaking at the Asean Regional Forum (ARF) in Hanoi last July, Mrs Clinton angered Beijing by saying the US had “a national interest in freedom of navigation . . . in the South China Sea." What is surprising is that the US is dumb enough to bait China with such provocations as the US Treasury market is now, more than at any other point in the past 3 years, reliant on Chinese bond purchases. And for all those who claim that China has no other alternative where to recycle its trade surplus dollars, we bring you exhibit i) the EURUSD, where China sells dollars and buys euros, and ii) Eurozone bonds over the past months, which it has been gobbling up ravenously. So yes: it does have alternatives, and it may very well make a rather forceful statement to that extent.

From the FT:

The South China Sea includes vital sea lanes for most of north-east Asia’s oil imports and other trade with Europe, the Middle East, Africa, India and south-east Asia. China, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan claim all or parts of the area, but China’s claims are the most extensive.

The comments from the US senators follow a period when the Obama administration has publicly toned down criticism of China’s increasingly aggressive behaviour in the contested energy-rich waters.

At the Shangri-La Dialogue regional defence summit in Singapore in June, Robert Gates, then US defence secretary, disappointed some south-east Asian officials by taking a relatively soft public line on China, which partly reflected a desire not to harm improved military relations between the powers. However, Mr Gates reassured US allies in the region that Washington would maintain a “robust military engagement” in the region.

China is already not too happy with the latest developments:

Underscoring the mounting tensions, five Filipino lawmakers on Wednesday plan to fly to an island claimed by Manila in the disputed Spratlys archipelago, prompting the immediate ire of China.

China said on Tuesday that the mission “serves no purpose but to undermine peace and stability in the region and sabotage the China-Philippines relationship”, according to Agence France Presse.

Both the Philippine government and the leadership of the country’s House of Representatives distanced themselves from the visit. A government spokesman said the move was unofficial and a private initiative of the lawmakers.

However, the politicians who organised the visit said they had secured the permission of the Philippine military commander in the area to fly a private aircraft to the island.

Then again, since the source of this consternation are US politicians, these days better known as the best diversionary actors outside of Hollywood, we won't take it far too seriously until such time as China gives an indication such a stance is wrong.

Full letter:

Letter to China




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Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:21 | Link to Comment bigdumbnugly
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the worse it is at home the further away they'd like you to look.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:24 | Link to Comment bigdumbnugly
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and if 1/2 way around the globe isn't far enough - the Man in the Moon is next in line to be the reciprient of some bad press.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:34 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Stand by for false flag alien invasion in 3.......2.......1.....

Action!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:48 | Link to Comment Mad Cow
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Not till after WWIII.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:48 | Link to Comment Dantzler
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This would be a ridiculous notion, CD!

Wait a minute...

[pulls out dusty old copy of The Report from Iron Mountain]

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:00 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I keep an electronic copy that never gets dusty. My back up paper copy is stored in Iron Mountain.

http://www.teachpeace.com/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:21 | Link to Comment eureka
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This Iron Mt report is a pile of old garbage. Nothing but a poor attempt to "philosophically" justify continued expansion of the US Military-Indutrial complex.

If "you gotta love war" then obviously you also "gotta love TBTF bail-out recipients. The US "intellect" itself has always been fase, pseudo-intellect - making up crap to cover for its moronic, rudimentary "human" character, which, if it is as un-improveable as Iron Mt report claims - i.e. it cannot devise any alternative structuring principle to organized mass violence - in my estimation deserves the physical self-destruction attained by its own mediocrity. 

Goodbye USA.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:50 | Link to Comment redpill
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I'm sure we haven't seen the most ridiculous wag the dog scheme yet.  I'm sure they'd like nothing more than a new cold war with China to justify more power grabs, but I don't think anyone is going to buy it at this point.  It has be more creative than that.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:55 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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It has be more creative than that.

Stand by for false flag alien invasion in 3.......2.......1....

Action! 

Why waste 50 years of movie and television predictive programming by not serving up what we have all been primed to accept is inevitable? One of the wonderful side benefits of the movies and TV, aside from manufacturing consumers, is the predictive programing it provides. Want to make something plausible? Make a movie or TV show about it.

Brilliant! The CIA was on this back in the early 50's and they have never stopped.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:57 | Link to Comment Mad Cow
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The global psyche needs to be softened up before they accept that big show.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:05 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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OK, have it your way.

But immediately after WW3 I expect massive star ships in the sky and ugly aliens raping the male Congressional representatives and senators.

Deal?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:29 | Link to Comment Mad Cow
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Deal! But be sure you're close enough to a cell tower so you can hear the audio.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:12 | Link to Comment bigdumbnugly
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that would be OK with me at least.  But can i have the female reps and senators then?

Wait, wait, waaaaait a minute here...  Cancel that.  You almost had me baited into one of those "careful what you wish for" scenarios.

So are you then insinuating the aliens wouldn't touch the females there either?

 

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:25 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Hold on a second. I need to consult the triple top secret false flag script. Let's see.

Aliens raping male Congressional pukes. check

Massive star ships in the sky. check

Ummmm, nothing here about female Congressional pukes one way or another. I need to call the script writing boys and tell them to tighten things up a bit more. Thanks for a great catch.

You know, you look like you might have star potential bigdumbnugly. Interested in a walk on? Call me baby. 

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:27 | Link to Comment bigdumbnugly
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my people will be contacting your people shortly.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:52 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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Does this imply that Barney is an alien?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:22 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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From Planet Klendathu...Barney Frank is...

 is

 

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:29 | Link to Comment Max Hunter
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OUCH !!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:44 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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now, that is reeaallly, truly gross....

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:47 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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I'm confused. This appears vaguely human but I cannot place it. Is that the top or the bottom or has someone been turned inside out? Exactly what is that?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:53 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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It appears to be someone bent over facing away from you.

It is truly disgusting.

I'll Echo the question... what IS that?

Never MIND!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:56 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Joy Behar before the liposuction.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 13:04 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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I am so sorry that I asked that question . . .

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 15:43 | Link to Comment Peter_Griffin
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That may be the grossest thing I have ever seen.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:25 | Link to Comment Tuco Benedicto ...
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Nancy Pelosi is all yours but you will have to blow away the cobwebs first!:)

 

Tuco

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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That took care of the fish taco idea for lunch...

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:17 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Indeed.  That's a red snapper that washed up onto the shore and has been festering for a long time.

- Chumblez.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:48 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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and ugly aliens raping the male Congressional representatives and senators

If this could be guaranteed, then I would simply be forced to graciously welcome our new Alien Overlords.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:04 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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So I'm assuming this is your one and only demand during surrender negotiations? They were gonna do it anyway. Think bigger. :)

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:06 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Hold on, I just thought of something: what do you suppose they're using porn to program us for?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

- Chumblez.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:11 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Thanks for the wonderfully deep belly laugh on that one. And the reminder of my very sore ass. Eyes tearing up and everything.

You'd better leave now Chumba while you're way ahead. :>)

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 22:13 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Hentai!  Those alien tentacles swing both ways, you lucky Humans, you!  :>D

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 18:11 | Link to Comment mkkby
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There's no need to go all out like that until millions are actually starving.  The election season starts in a few months.  All the sheeple need for distraction is a rerun of the guns, gays and god debate.  That's guaranteed to whip them into a frenzy, where they'll be glued to the TV.  An occasional reference to Iran when the attention span wanes (Pavlov's bell).

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:37 | Link to Comment caconhma
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It appears that China might deploy & place on a strategic alert additional 20 MERV with 10 1MT-nuclear payloads each targeting additional US cities.

Thank you Zionist Rothschild agents (a.k.a. members of the US Congress) for gravely endangering America and its people. Looks like cowards, imbeciles, and traitors are running our country.

PS

After all, brainwashed iPad-crazy America deserves this shit.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:27 | Link to Comment Ag Tex
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Exactly!  Watch the other hand when you hear the saber rattling.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:37 | Link to Comment cocoablini
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Isn't this super awesome? That the mistrust of government is so high that the initial reaction from everyone is government conspiracy to distract voters from a deflating economy, heist by bank fraud and high CPI in essential goods. The US has been poking around, seeing which war the voters are interested in. Israel versus Iran on the Al Jazeera network or China versus US on Fox News. Pissing off the Chinese using Dali Lama. Shit talking about water passage rights. Israel threatening Iran over basically nothing... The only way out of a depression is to create a destructive event- see world war 1,2, Civil War, rome versus Huns. You name it. Its coming

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:02 | Link to Comment PaperBugsBurn
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Isntreal v Iran and us v china is same thing: western banksters seeking to control china via oil. Gold standard or SDR fookery depend on this, IMO

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:38 | Link to Comment cocoablini
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Isn't this super awesome? That the mistrust of government is so high that the initial reaction from everyone is government conspiracy to distract voters from a deflating economy, heist by bank fraud and high CPI in essential goods. The US has been poking around, seeing which war the voters are interested in. Israel versus Iran on the Al Jazeera network or China versus US on Fox News. Pissing off the Chinese using Dali Lama. Shit talking about water passage rights. Israel threatening Iran over basically nothing... The only way out of a depression is to create a destructive event- see world war 1,2, Civil War, rome versus Huns. You name it. Its coming

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:38 | Link to Comment cocoablini
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Isn't this super awesome? That the mistrust of government is so high that the initial reaction from everyone is government conspiracy to distract voters from a deflating economy, heist by bank fraud and high CPI in essential goods. The US has been poking around, seeing which war the voters are interested in. Israel versus Iran on the Al Jazeera network or China versus US on Fox News. Pissing off the Chinese using Dali Lama. Shit talking about water passage rights. Israel threatening Iran over basically nothing... The only way out of a depression is to create a destructive event- see world war 1,2, Civil War, rome versus Huns. You name it. Its coming

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:37 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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I think the next move is clear. If China does not desist, we will have no other option but to invade Germany.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:53 | Link to Comment PY-129-20
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Invade us? Why? :)

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:40 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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warm-ups; "just business - don't take it personal"

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:03 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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The Americans want to learn how to build real cars like Audi, BMW, Mercedes...

but they want to build them with plastic components.

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

 

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:42 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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They got their chance with Chrysler.  Cost MBz a pretty penny, it did!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:17 | Link to Comment PY-129-20
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That would be so nice of ya! :) Wohoo!

As long as you don't switch off the lights on your highways at night. Now that would be scary...

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 22:16 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Yeah?  You and who's Government?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:50 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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No no, it's invade Canada.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:22 | Link to Comment Whizbang
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Fuck China

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:32 | Link to Comment Clueless Economist
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Time to bomb those GODLESS heathens back to the stone age

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:37 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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May you live in interesting times, Round Eye.

- Chumblez.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:44 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I suspect much of the rest of the world sees the USA as the US sees Pakistan.

A failed state with nuclear weapons.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:31 | Link to Comment oldman
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IMHO, except for a few of those nations on the US payroll the rest of the world believes the US is the major terrorist as of many months ago.

The rest of the world is constantly trying to move ahead in spite of u s military, financial, political, and media intervention. It seems as though we are at the station watching the train pull away, calling frantically on our cell phones to get a train back that has forgotten us, the u.s.

Power has its limits.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:55 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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You are not far off the mark there.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 13:08 | Link to Comment trav7777
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sees it how?  On the TV we invented?  Or on the iPhones we invented connected to the cell towers we invented, across the internet and fiber optics we invented to the computers we invented to the "mass media" we also invented?

IOW, fuck the rest of the world, and especially China

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 14:17 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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On the TV we invented? 

 

TV was invented by a Scottish man.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:46 | Link to Comment Dumb Honkie
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@ Clueless Economist: You sound like an albino monkey aka a low-iq Honkie with nasty b.o.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:16 | Link to Comment SoNH80
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Are you a typical white person, Sir?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:32 | Link to Comment PaperBugsBurn
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lmao

felt alluded to didn't you?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:38 | Link to Comment SoNH80
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Oh, puleez.  This ain't Yahoo News, pal, or the Berkeley Student Union for that matter.  Say something cogent, or don't say anything at all.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 22:18 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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I love children, but I can't eat a whole one!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:47 | Link to Comment CrimsonAvenger
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It would be a huge positive for GDP.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:41 | Link to Comment Dumb Honkie
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Fuck You Too.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:23 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Every time I can, when I see a Chinese, I tell them they do not have to worry, that US citizens are coming to see them at home.

 

This is a US world order.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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Will you be swinging by Toronto and Vancouver en route?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:11 | Link to Comment SoNH80
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Real U.S. citizens want peace with China, and respect the Chinese people.  We remember our alliance in the Second World War.   I am worried about the warlords in Washington and Beijing, however.  "Great men" send the peasants to die... that's the way it's always been. Peace is the only way in the time of the atomic bomb.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:24 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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What is surprising is that the US is dumb enough to bait China with such provocations as the US Treasury market is now, more than at any other point in the past 3 years, reliant on Chinese bond purchases.

I have seen this movie before.  It is called Distraction.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:00 | Link to Comment i-dog
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+1

Mutt 'n' Jeff putting on some light entertainment while the magician sets up the next trick.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:24 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Those two has beens need to shut the fuck up.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:34 | Link to Comment SoNH80
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No kidding!  They want to defend Communist Vietnam's sovereignty claims!  LOL!  Talk about Stockholm Syndrome!  Who wants to die to defend the corrupt Manila oligarchy's claims for some rocks in the South China Sea???  B.S.  Let the Chinese take it all, 56,000 Americans died face-down in the mud of Vietnam, now the Vietnamese Communists run the show, let them sweat this out.  The U.S. has no business meddling in this crap.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I hear you. It pisses me off all those lives wasted, not to mention the residule effects that remain with those that made it home.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:46 | Link to Comment au_bayitch
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@SoNH80, With oil under the spratleys someone (china) will push someone (P.I./Vietnam) else off. Why must the US be involved??? I agree with you, not a US problem. Besides US troops are closer to proven reserves in SA.

(-21) times 39 equals -819  whf?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:03 | Link to Comment SoNH80
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It's China's backyard, and if one Commie country wants to steal another's oil, so what.  If this were happening off of Key West, would we appreciate the Chinese getting involved in a U.S. squabble with Cuba over oil rights?  Of course not!  I firmly believe that this planet is getting very small, and for the good of mankind, we shouldn't be poking around there above and beyond keeping the sea lanes safe.  Likewise, China should mind its P's and Q's in Latin America (especially the Caribbean).  Good fences make good neighbors, and all that...

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:44 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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correct. let 'em duke it out themselves, in their own neighborhood but NIMBY

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:24 | Link to Comment Cassandra Syndrome
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Chop Suey Bitchez

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:25 | Link to Comment Ag Tex
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Watch the other hand when you hear the saber rattling.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:25 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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Did Kerrie and McGruber get told to say that or are they retards?  Admittedly I'm not a foreign affairs expert but it doesn't seem like a good time to be picking fights.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:41 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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The answer to your question is yes.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Franken_Stein
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The U.S. doing what it does best:

Picking fights all over the world.

Your leaders are really really stupid assholes.

 

Since when is the "south China sea" U.S. American territory ?

Fuck you !

 

It's a little bit closer to China than to the U.S., isn't it ?

Who gives the U.S. the right to tell other nations what they can and can not do, all the while breaking each and every international treaty ?!

 

Hillary Clinton is a worthless American CUNT !!!

A stinking piece of human garbage !

 

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:28 | Link to Comment jdrose1985
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Our "leaders" have nothin' on their European handlers as relates to stinking human garbage!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:28 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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Why in sult garbage?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:29 | Link to Comment WhOracle
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word

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:08 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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You'll pay for that comment--see ya in a FEMA camp next year! [Oh, wait a minute, you're not American, are you?]

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:30 | Link to Comment Midwest Prepper
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+ 1 billion (chinese)

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment oldman
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Wellspoken

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 13:33 | Link to Comment NoClueSneaker
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tststs, not so angry - she victim of circumstances. She was forced to accept the fact that her man turned to POTUS BJ Lewinsky from a genuine redneck. So she converted ... she worthless jewish ex-cunt ... :-P

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:28 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Remember the Lu Si Ta Ni A.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:32 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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"A Damned Dirty Business"

 

Everyone should read The Creature from Jekyll Island.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:35 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I'm reading that right now.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:38 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Here, take these.

R O L A I D S

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:05 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Maybe The good doctor should mix in one of these with every chapter, just to be safe:

http://xfinitytv.comcast.net/tv/Johnny-Sokko-and-His-Flying-Robot/100206/full-episodes

Season one, episode 14, looks to star our president and Air Force One.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:07 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I am SO watching that tonight.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:18 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Ah the memories.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 22:25 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Man oh man...the Japanese have been holding out on us!  :>D

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:44 | Link to Comment baby_BLYTHE
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just started reading it for the second time.

Believe me, Griffin does not hold back in this book. He goes after all the major banking families- Morgans, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Schiffs, Warburgs- to name a few. Also explains in full detail the inner workings of the world banking system, fractional reserve lending, central bank manipulation of interest rates and everything else pertaining to the world financial system.

Make sure when you buy it to get the 5th edition which is updated to cover the 2007-2008 crisis and subsequent bailouts.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:43 | Link to Comment baby_BLYTHE
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Double-Post

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:14 | Link to Comment lawrence1
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Just re-read it.  It leaves no doubt that the Fed cartel of the US and the banking cartel of Europe are the primary causes of wars and booms-busts and why the fiat ponzi is collapsing.  Read it and weep.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:47 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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can't believe Griffin didn't meet with an "unfortunate accident" over that (he is still with us, right?)

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:33 | Link to Comment baby_BLYTHE
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indeed. Yes, he is still with us. He is an avid supporter of the Ron Paul campaign.

Here is a speech he gave in 2008 at a Ron Paul Liberty rally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw6zhIiGCvg

Also (to everyone), don't forget to donate to Dr. Paul's money bomb today. He needs a lot of supporter if he is going to compete with Romney's type of fundraising.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:29 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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Don't you love it when your debt beat tenant comes and tells you to fix the sidewalk.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:42 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Excuse me, but I'm a red blooded American homeowner.

Well.....actually I own the water under my home.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:40 | Link to Comment woolly mammoth
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Septic tank? :)

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Cash-out refi... ;)

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:21 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Ya mean I owe money on my piss and s**t?

Damn, isn't America great?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 13:28 | Link to Comment woolly mammoth
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"Piss and S**t", Sounds like a business name for a convenience store. I can see it now, a string of "Piss and S**ts" all across North America. Hopefully we won't be confused with Wells Fargo.    Sorry, it's a slow day.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:44 | Link to Comment Infinite QE
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Can you please lend us another trillion so we can start a fifth war, this time with you guys? Thanks,

 Hopey

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:53 | Link to Comment au_bayitch
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@Infinite QE; LOLed and spilt pepsi on keyboard. Good thing not a reacter operator. Thanks for the laugh.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:01 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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+100 hahaha

Nice form -- can I use that?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:59 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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Or in the LOLCATS version:

can i haz trillionz? cuz imma vades you now. k thx bai

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 18:25 | Link to Comment mkkby
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... and can we have back our manufacturing sector, so we can build something to shoot you with?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:14 | Link to Comment Mad Cow
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@williambanzai7 (and anyone else buying the debt argument)

One central bank printing fiat owing another central bank buying fiat? Lets get to the next level of understanding and see the theater for what it is.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:29 | Link to Comment Nedly66
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BULLISH!!!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:29 | Link to Comment Arch Duke Ferdinand
Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:47 | Link to Comment ATG
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If you can't beat 'em, irradiate 'em

Hang loose bruddah

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:29 | Link to Comment Nedly66
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BULLISH!!!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:32 | Link to Comment baby_BLYTHE
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Be thankful most of you are old enough not to have to worry about a draft.

My ass is on the line if this ever gets out of control into an all out war with China.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:35 | Link to Comment the not so migh...
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just get knocked up you won't be drafted.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:50 | Link to Comment ATG
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Just pregnancy plus 6 months now and may be waived by combatant (under pressure from bills and commander)

http://breastfeedingincombatboots.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/07.pdf

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:54 | Link to Comment the not so migh...
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interesting info for volunteer forces.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:56 | Link to Comment baby_BLYTHE
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interesting, thanks. I don't plan on starting a family for a longwhile yet.

The last thing I will ever turn into is a draft dodger. Hopefully the inevitable war with China over empire will not come for many years.

I think Jim Rogers predicted 2020 for a major war between the US and China.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:07 | Link to Comment SoNH80
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A war between China and the U.S. would be an epic disaster for both countries.  No sane person should cheer for it.  It may happen anyway.  China and the U.S. were close allies in WW2, that residual goodwill should be revived.  "There was never a good war, or a bad peace."  -Ben Franklin

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:31 | Link to Comment laosuwan
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china needs a war much more than the usa does

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:42 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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flag as true (1)

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:59 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Decrease the surplus population!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:16 | Link to Comment Tuco Benedicto ...
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If you want to die for the New World Order go ahead.  It's your life!

 

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:33 | Link to Comment PY-129-20
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It's called resignation.

"state of uncomplaining, utter frustration"

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:34 | Link to Comment baby_BLYTHE
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The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. What is called resignation is confirmed desperation.- Henry David Thoreau

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 13:09 | Link to Comment PY-129-20
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Always admired Thoreau. Walden - a great book. Read it the last time around '09. Should read it again. But then there is still so much to read and to learn...

It's just something I noticed while I was reading your posts. But maybe it's just my own feeling. :)

-

Ha! But we don't have such beautiful forests like you have. Tiny, tiny Germany. You could never get lost in any of our woods. Not even in Bavaria.

 

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:47 | Link to Comment cgbspender
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The last thing I will ever turn into is a draft dodger.

 

Isn't that better than the alternative of being a coward who won't stand up against evil men? Check your nationalism at the door, it's a convenient control mechanism. Nation state versus nation state is irrelevant, everything boils down to individual versus institution.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 18:29 | Link to Comment mkkby
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+1984

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:47 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I certainly hope that you are smart enough not to roll over and let them draft you into an unjust cause.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:19 | Link to Comment psychobilly
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The last thing I will ever turn into is a draft dodger.

Conscription is just a euphemism for slavery.  Enjoy your chains.  Hopefully you won't come back a limbless freak or a drooling retard, but if that happens you can never say that you didn't deserve it... strutting around in somebody else's country like you own the place has consequences.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:56 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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If everyone was a draft dodger, how could big wars be fought?  The righteous draft dodger may be the real patriot.

 

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." --  Hermann Goering

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 22:56 | Link to Comment dogbreath
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just bend over.  your best baby making days are passing by.  

 

start a family because thats what you fight for.   oh ya your degree will help you get a good jawb with benefits paid for by the tax paywer.  I'm edjumacated and look where I got too.

 

Other than my mother and her brothers wives there aren't any breeding women to defend.  My sisters are koolaide drinking fucked up selfish cunts. 

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:41 | Link to Comment sabra1
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they place old geezers on the front lines so the enemy would use up all their ammo. geezers also taste good over an open fire, delicious!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:42 | Link to Comment Abitdodgie
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Become a Sovereign and tell them to stick the draft ,because you are no longer a Federal citizen

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:15 | Link to Comment Escapeclaws
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I didn't think they draft females. [Oh wait, maybe you are male and only your avatar is female.]

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 13:24 | Link to Comment baby_BLYTHE
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there isn't any draft as it stands now.

Why would you think a reinstituted draft would only include men? With all the PC crap the last 50 years or so since the last draft.

We would be hearing cries of "Sexism" left & right.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:36 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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Baby..., are you giving us cause to doubt your anatomy? It is disturbing to think you are just another swinging d--k!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 13:16 | Link to Comment trav7777
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uh, you pretend to be a young girl on here, you would not be drafted

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 13:25 | Link to Comment baby_BLYTHE
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no 'pretending'.

just speculating on the possibilites of a reinstituted draft.

I turn 21 this Sunday.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 18:54 | Link to Comment trav7777
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so you claim to actually be a girl of 20 who stacks silver and likes Ron Paul? 

This is like the loch ness monster of credibility

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 19:49 | Link to Comment AustriAnnie
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You're just swimming in the wrong circles Trav.  There are many young women more turned on by a silver-hoarding man with a Ron Paul bumper sticker on his car than by a slimy Goldman-Sachs worshipping wall-street banker with a Ferrari and a black metal AmEx offering a weekend in the Hamptons.  Extra points for the silver-hoarder Ron Paul supporter if he has read Human Action and can shoot worth a damn.

Wed, 07/20/2011 - 01:26 | Link to Comment baby_BLYTHE
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If it weren't for my older brother, I would have never had a passing interest in any of this stuff.

I don't claim to have come to any of my conclusions willingly, but once a few truths were exposed to me I started to become very nervous of my future and now make it a daily attempt to stay informed and attentive to what is going on economic/geo-politicaly 

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:36 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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it's on bitchez!

 

someone suggested a reversion to mean in mic spending yesterday? i don't think mean means what you think it means. lulz

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:41 | Link to Comment ATG
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Troublesome sabre rattling by two Vietnam Vets past retirement age who couldn't rein in public deficit spending and trading if they wanted to

China saved face at US expense, buying off politicians like the Clintongs with numbered Swiss Bank Accounts for unfair trade advantage

Clitnon counsel Vince Foster figured it out and took a lethal carpet ride to the park

When China holds the Fed Treasury financial jewels in their hand, is it deliberate or nessary to bait them?

Most people including China and American citizens buying Precious Metals see the US Treasury dollar default train coming

They already dropped US credit two notches

Weiss, most accurate in 2008, pegged US credit to C-

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:45 | Link to Comment docj
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Ironic, isn't it, that these two (John McPain and Jean Francois Kerry) are also the losers of the last two Presidential lotteries (Kerry in 04 and McPain in 08).

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:52 | Link to Comment ATG
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or fitting

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:37 | Link to Comment bmessier
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What the hell is wrong with the god damn US of A? Declare war on everyone, strip your citizens from their rights and freedom and print money like there's no tomorrow. No morality, no discipline, no vision, nothing! Way to go! This country is no better than Zimbabwe. This used to be a great country. It's now the world's dump. Bravo!

 

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:44 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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What the hell is wrong with the god damn US of A?...It's now the world's dump.

Not exactly a dump.  The answer is better illustrated in the concept of a strip mine.  The machine shown in the photo represents the Federal Reserve System.

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