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    The US, in its own decline, is showing this same self-destructive tendency. The worse things get, the greater the inclination of the citizenry to say, “Carry on, everything’s fine.”

SHIBOR: We Have A BIG Liquidity Problem

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Fri, 01/21/2011 - 13:52 | 893788 RockyR
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with all of the money flow into china, how is this claim possible?

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:06 | 893857 Sudden Debt
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Benny printed dollars on paper... that's not liquid...





Fri, 01/21/2011 - 15:04 | 894065 DarkMath
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China can't let all the money coming onboard stoke inflation. So they are jacking up rates and pulling cash out of the system to prevent food riots from getting out of control. The result is that liquidity dries up. This is exactly what China wants.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 15:11 | 894093 ThreeTrees
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Somehow I doubt this is what China wants, more like how it's reacting.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 15:21 | 894138 ColonelCooper
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I just thought it was because they were spending all their money on cheap gold and silver.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 17:16 | 894527 Bonesetter Brown
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Is this Chinese New Year related? Similar to a year-end or quarter-end spike in LIBOR?

I can't think of a reason why, but seeing the year-end SHIBOR spike followed by a decline, I can't help but think of Chinese New Year celebration start late next week.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 06:58 | 895501 thegr8whorebabylon
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Bone, are you related to Donny Darko?

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 13:52 | 893789 jus_lite_reading
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Zippidy do dah!

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:07 | 893859 Sudden Debt
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Zippidy day!

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 15:13 | 894102 ThreeTrees
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My oh my

shibor's rising to-day!

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 13:53 | 893797 trav7777
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big, bitchez...

the euro has been on a stampede as well, and euro POG blowtorched...despite printing by Ireland.

The reality here is that china has tried to put on the brakes as far as printing/ponzilending/liquidity - just a little dab on the pedal.  And, suddenly without that crack, the whole thing threatens to seize up

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 13:58 | 893816 jus_lite_reading
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Just goes to show how fragile the markets really are. The collapse of the USSR occurred within hours.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:05 | 893849 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Within hours of their oil production peak.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:18 | 893904 CrashisOptimistic
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And so very few see that relationship.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 15:07 | 894082 aerojet
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Can't fucking come onto any one of these discussions and not get some "peak oil, OMGWTFBBQ" type comment.  It's infuriating.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 15:16 | 894112 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Russia's oil production peaked in 1989.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 11:32 | 895667 tmosley
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You idiots seriously confuse cause and effect.  Their oil production peaked because everyone went home while the country collapsed.  The production figures were probably fraudulent to boot.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 15:28 | 894159 ColonelCooper
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So you're mad at yourself for being dumb enough to come back time and time again?  Self hatred isn't productive.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 21:51 | 895064 snowball777
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No, he's mad at himself for being an idiot who believes in "abiotic" carbon chains.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 11:50 | 895689 tmosley
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Oil digesting microbes have been found a kilometer underneath the Atlantic plate, thousands of miles from any known subduction zone (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0015399).  Whence cometh their food?  Further, when those bugs die, they leave behind oil from their membranes.  Not exactly rocket science.

The only question is the rate, which is clearly pretty slow.  To say it doesn't exist is magical thinking.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 16:01 | 894276 trav7777
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well, you kinda got this problem that the US peaked in 1970 and within a couple of years, everything was falling apart for us; we were in straight-up hyperinflation, abandoning gold peg, nearly having to go to war in the ME, our industries collapsing, etc.

And the USSR peaked in 1989 and then within a year or 2, the nation completely ceased to exist.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 16:09 | 894306 cougar_w
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But then they got over it. Or maybe the mafia took over. Sorta hard to tell from the outside, actually.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:03 | 893840 Spitzer
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I sure hope its big.

I am getting sick of waiting for this thing to blow up.

I think Antal Fekete finally figured out the bond market. His latest piece is definitly worth a read. http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-gold-silver-there-is-no-business-lik...

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:18 | 893908 rocker
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I sold 75% of all positions today. And I am not done. New buys, short positions only.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:29 | 893953 Double down
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Thanks Spitzer, a really good article.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 15:37 | 894192 hbjork1
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Thanks for the link!

Fekete's analysis explains a lot. 

Working out of the current situation will be painful.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 16:22 | 894347 LowProfile
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Working out of the current situation will be painful.

LOL you think it can be "worked out"?  No offense, but it's more like push the 'reset' button!

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 15:46 | 894222 Sad Sufi
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Good article, which helps broaden the discussion on "hyperinflation" versus deflation.  Thanks.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 16:43 | 894414 duncecap rack
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I am new to the mechanics of finance so there is something I don't understand about the linked article. Could you please explain buying long term bonds and selling short term tbills  and pocketing the difference in yeilds? I have long wondered who was buying long term US paper at ~4.5% when the stated goal of B.B. is to stoke inflation. This seems to hold the key to why anyone would buy such a dubious asset. If you could explain it I would appreciate it very much. Thanks.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 17:37 | 894585 AUD
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When you 'buy' bonds you are in fact making a loan, when you 'sell' you are borrowing.

Thus you borrow short term at a lower rate, lend at a higher rate & "pocket the difference".

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:22 | 893928 AccreditedEYE
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The reality here is that china has tried to put on the brakes as far as printing/ponzilending/liquidity

The new world indeed. China showing leadership while we show no backbone for pain (read: doing the right thing) in any form.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 15:08 | 894084 aerojet
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What leadership?  They still execute anyone they don't like!

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 15:45 | 894215 hbjork1
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North Korea executed a Finance Minister last year. 


China also fired one some time ago.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 13:56 | 893802 Xibalba
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Never underestimate a crazed Fed Chairman..

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 13:58 | 893814 plocequ1
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simple solution. Press the fucking button. Its all good.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 13:59 | 893820 jus_lite_reading
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Or change the accounting rules... you know, Enron style!

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:09 | 893871 Sudden Debt
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I don't know... let's ask Madoff...

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:10 | 893873 JW n FL
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Both! with a lil dis-information on the side for me please!

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:03 | 893832 SwingForce
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First of all, Ireland can't print, I don't care what they say. They would have done it BEFORE the bailout, and Germany would be screaming right now.

Another thing, I searched CNBS for "Vallejo", and nothing came up.

Everything's a lie, except Tyler's charts- The Charts Don't Lie.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:33 | 893966 jus_lite_reading
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You do know that when they have advanced knowledge of a disastor, they willnever make it public--- it's about keeping the clam, until whatever happens, happens.

Therefore, how many MSM news outlets reported on the sunrise 2 FULL days early in Greenland?

How many reported about the record food inflation across the globe?

Or that China stated the US is no longer number 1 in the world but they are?!

Or that there have been an additional 3 mass bird/fish kills in the last two days?!


OR that Japan declares they are in a state of crisis, short of total collapse?!

OR that Australia's food exports might be cut to 20% this year and next?!


Why you ask? Because the powers that be don't want the masses informed of the truth, but only distorted reality TV



Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:01 | 893833 NOTW777
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this has to be dismissed - time for another cnbc obama campaign rally

sue h heralding all the jobs "created" by obama and immelt

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:16 | 893901 NOTW777
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wow, sat night live on early

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:03 | 893837 Atomizer
Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:28 | 893949 SheepDog-One
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I stopped reading after 'learnt'.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 16:06 | 894292 trav7777
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and why is that?

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 08:05 | 895534 snowball777
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Fri, 01/21/2011 - 17:10 | 894510 Stormdancer
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You just "stopped out" on some of the most insightful economic commentary available today.  Good luck.  Some of the best analysts are not American by the way...and they even have (gasp!) some different spelling conventions.  A multi-coloured world you might say....

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:04 | 893846 DonnieD
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Hope the chinese didn't do home loans based on SHIBOR + 2%.

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:05 | 893852 The Axe
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This is second time it has done this in the last 2 weeks only to go back to 2.50 from almost 7...why I have NO idea...why would this trade like TASR...crazy

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:19 | 893913 bingaling
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Yeah seems like something is sucking up liquidity then suddenly disappears ????

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