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Silver And Gold Remain Near Record Highs As Greek And Portuguese Debt Hammered

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Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:01 | 1029149 Sudden Debt
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just wait untill the UK get's back into the picture.

If they don't raise rates soon, they are going to be the first to have to hyperinflate their currency and if they do raise rates all their banks go bust.




Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:04 | 1029160 Harmonious_Diss...
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All paper currencies to zero! Big reset button PUSHED!

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:19 | 1029193 EscapeKey
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The (Deficit/Tax_Intake) picture for the UK is not too bad (150/550), when comparing to the US (1600/2200), but it is absolutely imperative that housing doesn't take a deep decline, or the UK is toast, hence the reason British monetary policy has been executed the way it has for the past few years.

Of course, at best it still only postpones the inevitable for a few months. Once realistic budget cuts are carried out, we can at best look forward to a repeat play of the wonderful socialist 70'es (strikes, 3-day workweek, shortages, electricity outages, garbage mountains everywhere...)

British inflation in the 70'es peaked at 24.9%. How far off is hyperinflation?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:24 | 1029208 Sudden Debt
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I propose you read these 2 articles, and tell me if you still feel confident afterwards :



Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:38 | 1029219 EscapeKey
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...eh, I'll report back to you when I've read linked book-sized articles.

As for feeling confident - no, I don't. Confidence in system doesn't resonate with physical precious metals investing. I was merely pointing out that the UK isn't in as tough a situation as other countries, notably the US.

Btw, SD, I notice you constantly get junked for just about anything you post. You seem to have your own personal troll!

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 10:23 | 1029377 Sudden Debt
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Tue, 03/08/2011 - 10:51 | 1029461 ZakuKommander
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Junking for SD is largely a Fleming v. Walloon thing.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 11:34 | 1029608 IQ 145
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 He, he, he,. that's a good one. it's going to go over most peoples head, tho.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:34 | 1029232 Math Man
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"I'd be wary about getting into gold at present. The price may still rise further, but the gains are unlikely to be so significant. When prices fall, it is those who got in near the end who will suffer the biggest losses."

Have fun with your losses, bitchez!!!!!!


Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:38 | 1029246 EscapeKey
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Well, then you must be a fool for not shorting, right?

Are you shorting?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 10:02 | 1029305 Math Man
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Yes.  SLV, GLD and USO...

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 10:03 | 1029308 EscapeKey
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Well, excellent, then all we can do is wait, right?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 10:04 | 1029311 tmosley
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You are the only loser here, then.

Enjoy your bloody stumps, knife catcher.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 10:17 | 1029360 Math Man
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Last time I went short USO, I made enough to buy a new Ferrari....


Tue, 03/08/2011 - 10:25 | 1029383 EscapeKey
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That's about the most credible post I've ever seen of yours.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 10:26 | 1029391 Sudden Debt
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You sound like a 5 year old :)



Tue, 03/08/2011 - 11:02 | 1029489 tmosley
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lol, sure, so it worked once, it must ALWAYS work, right?  Nevermind that timing is everything, and if you are off by just a bit, you will get a margin call, and find yourself fucked.  You know, sort of like how you have been losing on your gold and silver shorts.

What kind of moron shorts ANYTHING in terms of dollars while QE is going on?  What kind of moron goes short oil when protests are spreading throughout the Middle East, including Saudi Arabia and Kuwait?

Oh yeah, your kind of idiot.  Enjoy your depreciating shit.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 11:22 | 1029549 Math Man
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I'm buying puts, so my downside is capped.  All I can lose in the premium.

You can lose EVERYTHING holding 95% in one asset.

Have fun with your 95% silver allocation.

Just FYI, silver quickly hit $9 in 1981.

And then fell to $4.98 in June 1982.


Tue, 03/08/2011 - 11:27 | 1029584 tmosley
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Right, when interest rates rose to 20+%.  You think that is going to happen again?

Sorry, loser boy who does nothing but lose, but it looks like you are going to lose some more.

I've been long silver since $8.  My cost average is around $15-16.  I, unlike you, am a winner. 

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 12:17 | 1029786 Math Man
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But what was the RELATIVE increase in rates...  going to 20 from 10 is not as bad as going from 0.25% to 3%.

Watch out.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 12:27 | 1029829 tmosley
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lol, you keep thinking that.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 12:59 | 1029934 EscapeKey
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I liked your Ferrari joke better.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 14:51 | 1030369 Strider52
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You have been Sheened. Not Junked, Sheened.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 11:45 | 1029646 Harmonious_Diss...
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but, but, how much does it cost to dig it out of the ground?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 11:37 | 1029617 IQ 145
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 Are you shorting? yes, SLV, GLD. I don't believe you, nobody is that crazy. If that's for real, post the details, date and price and stops etc. so we can follow the trade.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 10:03 | 1029310 bobby02
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Slightly off-topic, but do you (or anyone else) have a source for details on Green Light taking delivery on GLD? In the 2Q09 letter, Einhorn writes that he "switched" GLD for metal. I also took that to mean delivery, since selling shares and buying metal is costly and would defeat the purpose (i.e. so he would pay lower fees). However, it is less than definitive.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 11:09 | 1029502 Math Man
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Here is a bloomberg article:


You can also google search and find a copy of the quartely letter where he discloses the transaction.

He had an AP redeem the shares for the underlying physical on his behalf because he could store it for less than the 40bps in fees that GLD was charging.  Any large holder can do this with GLD or SLV because they are backed by ALLOCATED metal.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 11:16 | 1029531 bobby02
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I have the letter. It says "switched," hence the quotation marks in my original post. Nothing else, no detail. And your Bloomberg article just quotes the same letter without adding any more information.

Don't get me wrong, I belive APs create/redeem baskets all the time (witness the changing amount of Au/Ag held), it's just the lack of detail is strange.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 10:10 | 1029335 HoofHearted
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Those losses are just kicking my ass. Sorry to have bought gold at $1000 per and silver at more like $15 per. Sure, I've cost-averaged myself up to the $1100 and $20 per ounce range, but I'll just have to live with myself.

And we math people still want you to take away your ZH name. You obviously don't do any kind of math at all or else you'd realize what monetary inflation brings on. (Yes, some of us have degrees in both math and econ, which uses a lot of applied math. Which training is it that you are missing? Both?)

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 11:46 | 1029654 Temporalist
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Jeffery stop wasting your and everyone else's time here.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 15:38 | 1030511 RogueFit
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Math Man, may I ask why you are so convinced that gold/silver will fall precipitously?  I have been meaning to ask you for a few days now.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:02 | 1029150 Beau Tox
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"Cast not thine keyboard strokes toward ignorant fools."


Tue, 03/08/2011 - 10:20 | 1029368 Snidley Whipsnae
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Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:02 | 1029154 bullionbaron
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I hope the ZH article on the link between Silver sales and US Mint calling for suggestions on circulating coin materials is simply tongue in cheek.

There is no correlation between the two bits of infomration. Seems ludicrous to keep pumping it. It's not news, it's misinformation.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:15 | 1029186 Snidley Whipsnae
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You are misinformation if you truly believe what you posted.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:22 | 1029203 bullionbaron
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You honestly believe that there is a link between the American Silver Eagle sales and a press release for suggestions on metal types for CIRCULATING coins?

Last I checked the ASE is a bullion product, not a circulating coin.

I thought the post by TD might have been a parody/tongue in cheek, but the repost in this thread makes me wonder...

Seriously, anyone who believes the lack of Silver sales posted has something to do with a completely unrelated press release has rocks in their head.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:33 | 1029228 johnQpublic
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so you therefore posit that the US has sold no silver eagles this month because there is no demand?

and who has rocks in their head?

you didnt happen to see the new commemorative bronze coin did you?


leave the bullion to us and stick with the baroning


Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:43 | 1029254 bullionbaron
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I would suggest they have sold ASEs however the figures are yet to be updated.

They are updated intermittenly from my monitoring of the site over the last several months.

Here's another unrelated event: Sheen got fired from Two and a Half Men, maybe that also has something to do with the US Mint ASE Sales page not being up to date!! /rolleyes

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 10:12 | 1029343 Bay of Pigs
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Hey smartass, maybe you should verify some facts before you open that pie hole of yours?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 10:52 | 1029458 mrgneiss
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Give the guy a break, he's busy monitoring the site between mittens?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 12:17 | 1029791 traderjoe
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Really, you don't see any connection at all? Needing to have to find alternative metals or methodologies because inflation has made the coins too expensive to make? No relation at all to the silver supply issues? The fact that the fiat has devalued to toilet paper? Yes, no correlation at all...

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 15:57 | 1030565 bullionbaron
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wow if that's the connection talk about drawing a long bow

Oops I see the US Mint has updated their site and they've now sold 668,500 in March... guess the next thing everyone here is going to tell me that is 1 days sales??


Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:50 | 1029268 Ganja Jane
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 I wish I could 'Double-Junk' this.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:05 | 1029159 baby_BLYTHE
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So it is totally impossible to grow our way out of this? (Serious here folks)

We really only have two choices?

(A) Deflationary Depression or (B) Hyper-Inflationary Destruction

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:11 | 1029173 Ratscam
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(C) haircut i.e. after Easter

highly unlikely, I prefer B then C on all global currencies

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:13 | 1029179 cswjr
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Barring unprecendented cooperation and coordination between the U.S. and China (think Marshall Plan, in reverse, and bigger), I'd say yes.  We might have had a fighting chance had we just let the financial crisis play out, but I think we've crossed the Rubicon now.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:24 | 1029207 Snidley Whipsnae
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"Barring unprecendented cooperation and coordination between the U.S. and China (think Marshall Plan, in reverse, and bigger), I'd say yes."

Posted on ZH yesterday... China sending trade delegations to all parts of the world.

China might spend as much a $17 Billion on US products. (probably those products that they have yet to reverse engineer)

The US is running deficits of $223 Billion per month.

Does this sound like a 'Marshall Plan in reverse'?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:17 | 1029189 Snidley Whipsnae
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Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:30 | 1029212 EscapeKey
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Well, the UK grew out of a comparable situation when industrialization kicked in. And the US coupled growth with inflation to eliminate WW2 debts. Except for that, inflation has practically always been the weapon of choice to combat this situation.

Of course, this stuff isn't taught in school, because it it was, we wouldn't be sitting ducks waiting for the coming onslaught of inflation heading our way, and the government programs would be less efficient.

Anyway, I guess it comes down to us discovering a new, highly potent energy source. If someone could find a way to tap the vast potential of the highly potent bullshit government official information releases, I guess we're saved.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 09:45 | 1029257 Snidley Whipsnae
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Yes, after WW2 the US opened up many US markets to British products and the Brits were not allowed to buy many products that they produced because all were destined for foreign shores...trade.

What really killed the Brit Empire was the loss of the Indian market, especially textiles. The Brits were importing cotton from India/Egypt and selling back to them finished textiles and clothing. In addition India was a market for Brit locomotives, railway rolling stock, autos, bicycles, motorcycles, etc...also India paid for Brit administration and engineering expertise. India sold the Brits tea that was raised on farms in India owned mostly by Brits. India was called 'the crown jewel in the British Empire' for good reasons.

Ghandi threw a monkey wrench in that one.

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