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Silver Breaks $26; Shows What A Little RICO Lawsuit Can Do To The Price Of A Manipulated Commodity
Silver hits a new all time record: $26.03 (except for that whole Hunt bros reverse manipulation thing). It is simply AMAZING what a little RICO lawsuit filed against JPM and HSBC will do. How about a 5% price increase in a day?
And for all those patting themselves on the back for what the Fed's dollar debasement is doing to their stock portfolios, perhaps the fact that the S&P is now down 29% YTD priced in silver should be a Zimbabwean wake up call.
And you ain't seen nothing yet. The LBMA (but mostly JPM and HSBC) are bracing for a tsunami of margin calls after the close.
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$1000 here we come.
Idiots will be calling it a bubble @ $50+ all the way up past $100.
"Let me know when the full force of the USGovt regulatory bodies order JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, and Bank of America to liquidate even 10-20% of their short positions."
http://news.silverseek.com/SilverSeek/1288914539.php
With a large enough chalk board, I can prove that all commodity manipulation is the handiwork of the United Auto Workers.
Beck/Palin/Disinformation 2012
Are you saying that you could logically conclude/prove this? Or are you saying that any argument can be made in favor that anyone who can, has used silver manipulation? But I refute both concepts on the grounds that logic can not be derived from just anywhere, and that I personally do not believe that an Auto Union could have the ability or need to surpress silver prices.
I do not endorse Wiki but this is simple:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
Given enough straw, I can create a life-sized strawman for you.
But only your personal bias can bring the strawman to life.
If he only had a brain...
I don't know why not. Glenn just proved that QE is caused by unions and Democrats.
What's not to believe?
When the video got to the blackboard with the Monopoly man and he started talking about unions, I had to turn it off. I just couldn't take it anymore.
I put my head in the oven instead.
It is unfortunate he left out the banksters, but at least he was HALF right...
I think someone is a little upset as a result of Tuesdays election results.
Just maybe
Not in the slightest. What difference does it make if Bert or Ernie is elected?
I just enjoy watching everyone blame Bert and think Ernie can make things better.
To paraphrase Matt Taibbi, the fact that Republicans got put into power just demonstrates that the American voter has a memory span of 10 minutes.
"Not in the slightest. What difference does it make if Bert or Ernie is elected?"
Because your name is not white collar elitist thief? Did I win ?
A memory span of 10 minutes and only two real choices, you lost..
Sarah Palin isn't smart enough to give disinformation she is just a fountain of stupidity naturally.
And I don't care what Glenn Beck's motives are he is riding the proper coattails presently and is correct about precious metals.
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I must say, JLee2027, that's your best post so far. Typically, you post some stunningly narrow-minded, lower brain stem opinions.
Are you from Texas or Florida?
Sorry but the UAW leader's aren't smart enough to pull that off.
Of course neither is Palin or Beck.
The real disinformation is the idea that corruption is limited to any single party/ Similarly that the idea that corruption and fraud should be punished is somehow a "political" concept.
LOL you hold the junk record. even jonny B never scored 37 junks HA HA
Thanks for the link.
It's not true! It's not true! I can't hear you! [covers ears] Na Na Na!!!
haha +1,000
Avatar win!
hushhhhhhh you dont want to scare our unicorn friend :)
Hey that reminds me, wheres that ohnny Bravo dude?
Anyway, $US LOLar down, stawks up, but not even near the pace of gold and silver today WOW!!
WHO?
is that a rainbow coming out of a pink mushroom cloud?
Absolutely.
What is yours? It looks cool, a painting?
Galactic wonderbra ad
exactly
yup...a closer look here:
http://www.miqel.com/images_1/visionary_art/paul_laffoley_1960s/kali-yug...
Awareness itself is ultimately destructive.....
Fight Clubesque.
ya mon...nice that u caught that
that artwork is beautiful tip e.!
had to throw it onto the desktop to gaze at for a while. . .
(and a bit o' genius with the pink pony there Mr. L-H, lol)
here's more aura:
http://www.miqel.com/visionary_art/paul_laffoley_intro.html
http://02c1c80.netsolhost.com/paullaffoley/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrOVFwp1Vuc
Duh?
HA!
Referring to Johnny "I lick the urinals at the FED" Bravo, the biggest troll PM bear on the planet.
Johnny Bravo got is getting rich shorting precious metals. He makes buttloads of money shorting PM's when they go up, and even more shorting PM's when they go down. He's always perfectly positioned, and is confident that gold is going to $200 before it is over.
Yeh sure Bravo is getting a buttload alright. Wait a minute. Where is he lately? I need to have a long, talk with that boy.....
Goled to $200 Bitches !
hey ohrny where you been. i been gettin beat up a lot lately. you could take off some of the sting for me.
I believe Johnny Bravo said he would never post here again if Gold gets to $1450. We are pretty darn close to that...
I'm not saying you're wrong to give an estimation of a fiat currency to silver, but if silver reaches $100, any thoughts on what else might be happening? Food prices? Oil prices?
*insert picture of armed riot control here*
If your a silver bug, you already have the other stuff covered. If not, too f'ing bad.
Silver bullets of the vampire kind?
Or the Coors kind? :>)
HAHAHA!
The UPS guy asked me why I ordered 2000 rounds of .308, I told him it was for the zombies.
http://gun-deals.com/ammo
http://www.springfield-armory.com/
++ LMAO
Nice move to the REAL commodity!!
I had the UPS guy ask me the other day if it was ammo or something else that required a signature and was so heavy (6 forty-four pound boxes). I just smiled and said ammo. I've got supplies to keep a LOT of werewolves at bay. Wish I had told him it was none of his business what was in my brown paper packages. Nosy bastard!
Standard answer:
"Machine parts"
That is exactlly what I said.
He asked why the parts could weigh more than one of our trucks. I told him to fuck off and that we can drill a bigger hole than the Chileans came out of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Vm5H-PI6U
I said the same thing about my Kukri.
http://tiny.cc/c06p6
Well done. That was the correct answer.
But take it a step further for me. Let's say that $100 silver coincides with a complete collapse in the dollar, then what?... For the sake of discussion, let's say there's no immediate return to "normalcy". A period of chaos without reprieve.
And let's assume you're covered. You've got your cabin in the woods, your loved ones, you supply of toilet paper, supply of fresh water, and of course, guns and ammo... You're all set.
How/where do you cash in your precious metals? When do you cash in and for what? Another currency? Goods? If complete chaos, would you accept silver for your family's vegetables or meat? Do you leave the country? What would a collapse in the dollar then lead to? War? How does the government respond to currency?
My question was not to attack, but I find it fascinating to see the thought pattern continue from different individuals...
I welcome your thoughts.
JL
I'll give 1 can of corned beef hash for 1 oz silver coin. Final deal.
Shit, I forgot the toilet paper.
Hold off on the collapse for a few days while I stock up, OK? :>)
Granny finally got it! We were shopping yesterday and despite the fact we have TP for a year she had me put 2 more batts of charmin in the basket.
Of late folks at the store are beginning to get it. Only about 10 % but it beats the responses i was getting 3 weeks ago. I walk up to perfect strangers and ask them are they ready for hyperinflation. I am a bit bold and mouthy as well, but i do care , am honest and that comes across.
I am so sorry you americans have lost your country. As a german resident alien, here since 63, i have been a man without a country for a long time and have not one place i can call home. Wanderlust,hoboing, i have been the perpetual gypsy and happy most the while. Thank you America.
My loalties are with you crazy americans, sheep or not i am sticking with you and will share your fate ,helping as i can.
wfmi
Be a man, use your hand.
Left or right?
Right!
Be civilized. The Afghanis I knew had a favorite rock that they carried with them--usually oblique and smooth (for obvious reasons). You do your business, wipe the rock on the dirt, insert in pocket--bam! Saved yourself a lot of Afghani dinero.
uh, maybe independent(ly)?
i just read about, in Japan how a hand cloth is revered, for you know what? taking into public restrooms. they are beautiful with patterns and colors. displayed on gift shop walls. get your own hand cloth and personalize it. now i have tried it on white, not so good.
More like:
"Don't shit, I forgot the toilet paper."
You 'bout made a mess by getting your priorities mixed up.
(1) TP
(2) #2
No deal. Enjoy your hash. Both kinds.
Really? I'll give five pounds of fresh vegetables for the same price.
Or five dozen fresh yard eggs.
that's more like it.
and thats the power of the free market=)
You assume complete chaos. During the french revolution, Paris still required staggering amounts of food- they were always met.
Commerce will continue, but it will continue in a different currency. Those currencies will probably be silver, gold and barter. When the role of monetary substitutes arises, it will be dealt with then.
The value in PM's is they have a history of being money- whether the bankers want you to believe it or not.
Others seem to be starting to ask this question as well, and I've yet to see a good answer.
My assumption has been that with a corresponding collapse in real estate prices, that you'd convert some portion of the metals to dollars, and then the dollars into something like farmland. Or a small local manufacturing businesses, a bakery, etc. Something that you could pick up on the cheap that provided a means of production in a local/regional area to offset the economic isolation that would come with a dollar collapse.
You have not seen a good answer because you refuse to go there, just like most. If dollar collapses, it's done. You will not want to exchange ANYTHING for dollars. You will only exchange things for PM's. And trust me, a can of corned beef hash will not cost one ounce of silver, it will cost closer to one 1962 dime.
can of corn beef hash for a silver dime? When the trucks dont come to refill the store ........wheres the beef?
I will be raising rabbits and chickens to go in the pot of homegrown veggies.
Last depression rabbits and chickens were the gold and silver as i see it.
Got 25 laying hens growing in the big box in the laundry room. Chicken house is ready and their food for a year is stockpiled! Just have to keep the cats from eating them and haven't convinced the Mrs and the kids that eating the cats is a good idea... yet.
the cats will keep down your rodents, thus saving your chicken food - while it is the nature of cats to be interested in your chickens, if they're domesticated, they can be made aware of the chicken's value to your family. . .
I have chickens, and a cat, there are no struggles, despite his fascination.
lol
I don't think that's a fair statement. There will likely be a significant period of time where the dollar may not have any real value as a unit of exchange on a global stage, but that doesn't mean it doesn't continue in that role domestically for a longer period of time.
Domestic transactions will still need to be settled, and the infrastructure to just suddenly start settling them in metals simply doesn't exist. You're not going to be trading silver coins for diesel fuel, because the local gas station isn't in a position to accept them. You may find the occasional local mom/pop store that will, but for the majority of America, those are exceptions to the rule when it comes to day-to-day necessities.
An increasingly devalued dollar will still be the predominant medium of exchange in America for a significant portion of any currency crisis.
Ok, I'm with you. I thought you were talking about the less significant portion of time AFTER the dollar is no longer the predominant medium of exchange. Have you thought about that period of time much? Cause that time is coming. And contrary to many commentators, there will be many, many Americans working to gather and distribute food, alcohol, and everything else people desire. It's just that they will be using a different type of MONEY. Get some.
I actually believe that the crime rate will be LOWER during much of this time. Many people here act like they are going to be shooting zombies trying to steal their stuff. All you will need to transact will be to pull a silver coin from your pocket. One ounce will buy you approximately 15 cans of corn beef hash.
I would guess that if the dollar did lose its value as a global currency, that cash will still have some function as a means of exchange. It will be all the zeros & ones in the electronic banking system that will vanish or be confiscated - coins & notes will be OK.
Although silver & gold will hold greater value, I just don't think there is enough out there to have a significant use for small transactions for three hundred million people.
Physical cash bitches.....
Sure you'll have 'food' like the French did, well as long as you can grow your own crops and livestock, and also fend off the looters constantly as they did back then.
during the Wiemar hyperinflation there was no collapse of society.... only the currency
but accepted - in a doomsday scenario, silver is a poor choice
My wife just looks at me sideways when I bring up the eminent collapse of the dollar. How come so many people believe that nothing happens unless it happens to THEM right NOW? I'm wondering whether I should share my toilet paper with her in the trenches.
I'd be worried about what she would withhold from you later Rocky. A little good lovin can make life in the trenches a bit more tolerable.
Two words: hand cream
Besides it's good for chapped hands as well.
Right or left hand? looks like we have run out of hands on this thread....
I think your history is a bit off... A lack of food was one of the causes of the French revolution and the starvation in Paris got worse once the shooting started.
You don't. You have a store of supplies to last while you get your food production up and running and/or to carry you through periods of bad harvests. You have (or should have) a separate store of barterable goods for trade.
You hold your PMs until a new system emerges. They are there to transfer your wealth from the old system to the new.
This assumes that there's not an interim trade that's more profitable, though. Which would you rather have in some sort of "new" system: productive assets that you bought with PMs during the "fire sale" at the bottom of the old system, or the intangibles of a "new" currency? While that new currency might be (will likely be) metal-backed, can you be sure?
I'm not saying your path isn't how it will play out, but I think there will be a real period of uncertaiinty in between where the opportunity to own means of production may be more attractive than simply holding and converting PMs to some new monetary standard.
+1
Within a couple of years (more likely months), you'll be able to pick up a nice house for a kuggerand. Im holding out for a 100acre farm.
what if the frikkin US GOVERNMENT demands we turn in all our gold for a dollar bill. and re enact that rule from 1929 or something, and seaches the safety deposit boxes or such madness. i got a safe and gold jewlry to protect. i don't know how to fire a gun either.
Kathy,
It's easy, go to a local range, rent a gun, and have one of the range Officers teach you.
Cost you maybe a $100.00, good pistol,$400.00, 200-300 rds ammo,and a .410 Shotgun,200-300 shells.($300.00 lot).
Bottom line, YOU Need to know how NOW, and you should have learned long ago.
The old saying is the only difference between a Liberal, and a Conservative is, the Liberal hasn't been mugged yet.
thanks for your advice. quite frankly my hands shake too much lately. i wouldn't want to try and steady a pistol in my hand.
Then learn how to use a shotgun. This is a good class:
http://www.frontsight.com/courses/tactical-shotgun-training.asp
Bah, you need nothing...
look at this guy-------> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_zGRUKbqWc
The banks will try and have the metals put in their "safe" keeping. They will give upawrds of 100% interest for it. Or you can sell it to the governement for credits or whatever they are calling them. Bancor, etc. Or you can use them as a medium of exchange for good purchases, such as bestowing one OZ to you local butcher for a summers worth of BBQ. An OZ for a summers worth of beer at your local tavern. An OZ at your local gas station for a few months worth of gas (you will not be driving out of town). You will put these purchases on your tab. Or an OZ for a pickup truck. etc.........
i think eating animal meat gives me the farts. well i know cheese does, so probably steak and beans.
Oh darn! (about the cheese).
I think everyone gets the animal farts.
It would be obvious. You will think "I can't believe that someone would be willing to trade this [valuable asset] for just a few gold coins."
In the German hyperinflation, an entire block of downtown Berlin commercial real estate sold for eight ounces of gold.
I would prepare to buy real estate, farmland, and -- oddly enough -- equities, which might be dismissed as just so much toilet paper. Amazing what you can do with a 20% ownership of a publicly traded corporation.
Link to that data would be appreciated... not like I didn't try to find it.
No doubt, I thought the rumor was a hotel in Berlin for a double eagle.
Im going to hold out for two hotels on park place, Rocky you can have the two on boardwalk.
I, too, would appreciate a link, or reference, regarding that. I've heard that story, or variations of it, many times. For example, there's the one about the bellboy in Berlin who buys the whole freaking hotel for an ounce of gold (at the point of the very worst of the hyperinflation). But so far, no one ever references a valid historical source for these stories. I'm not saying they are untrue. They probably ARE true. I'd just like to see it direct from a "real" historical source. Thanks.
Why, and for what? You start to delve into the realm of barter, and the division of labor at some point here. Perhaps I need a plumber, dentist, pair of shoes, pants, or a shirt. Maybe I am able to trade some canned tomatoes, maybe silver. IF...big IF...SHTF, life will go on. In order to get wealth to flow back to me, I'd better have a skill that other people need. That skill, very likely, will need to manifest itself in the physical world Somehow, I think shuffling papers across a desk, or selling gold in an MMO ain't gonna cut it anymore.
In my case my PMs are divided in 4 categories.
Cat 1: Silver Bars segregated to pay off my mortgage. I have 10oz bars in my safe earmarked for this purpose. Lets say your mortgage today is 100K in FNRs. You see the posibility that silver would go up 5x during the transition to a new currency caused by hyperinflation of FRNs. You put aside $20k of silver and wait. Once silver hits lets say $120FRN an ounce, you sell and pay off the mortgage (the extra 20% is for taxes). Presto, you leveraged the destruction of fiat to your favor. If it doesnt happen, or you end up not having a mortgage due to complete collapse, you still have 1,000oz of silver.
Cat 2: Transitional currency. Mostly silver dimes, Kennedy halves and Morgan dollars. In case of currency collapse, you can use these for purchases that you would normally use FRNs for. If FRNs are still in use, you can exchange your silver for FRNs at the collapse rate and use that as currency. Similar to what Argentinians did with dollars during their collapse.
Cat 3: Wealth Preservation. Although reaching middle age, I still have a good 40 years left on this earth. I want my family to have something at the other end of this crap. So I accumulate gold bars (mostly 2.5gr Pamp Suisse) as a form of savings. I buy some every pay period. Gold is the only real form of wealth preservation in history. Im following in the steps of giants including Another and FOA on this one.
Cat 4: Get out of Dodge. Have a 1oz gold coin per family member. This is Airplane ticket money. Plus a hand full of 1gr gold chips for hotels, bribes or fuel as needed.
Nope, I'm not wealthy. My truck and my wive's car are 10 years old and paid for years ago ( I bought my truck with cash in 2006). I don't have the latest iCrap. I don't need it. I made the decision to put my wealth in my pocket and not in someone else's.
Understand, this is all in addition to 1 year of staples (need more TP, or maybe I'll just install a bidet), fuels and a water filter (have a 3000 gallon gold fish pond). Plus the hardware to defend it.
i decided to show off my wealth and wear it around my neck, in my ear lobes and on my wrist.
NO nose rings please, or belly button ornaments, either.
And that is also a good option. Look up Fernando at ferfal.blogspot.com. He is and Argentinian that has been living thru the currency collapse there. He recommends having some of your gold in 14k jewelry, specially wedding bands and chains. That way, after things get really ugly, you can go to a "we buy gold place" pretend is your wedding band or gold chain and sell it at current exchange rates without raising suspicion. He recommends not to buy anything better than 14k because you will be payed at 14k rates anyway. He does this in Argentina for groceries and emergency expenditures.
FUCK 14k, i only invest in the best.
Amen to the entire plan!
a one ounce 12g lead slug becomes very valuable in those situations...you can trade it for lots of stuff
That's a legitimate question. I guess we'd be trading it in on any new medium of exchange that seems viable, well after the smoke clears, and there is some form of viable political economy. I don't think direct barter will ever become widespread--it's too limited, and price discovery is at best a wild guess. Do people want to negotiate every pack of gum?
The price of lead this year seems to have leveled off a tad. We shall see as time goes by.
Who cares?
The key is we are powerless to stop it. All we can do is position ourselves in the PM for when the rest of the world finally realizes that even a silver quarter is worth more than any piece of paper you print numbers on.
I agree with above. Those that are putting it into physical are probably taking care of several other needs, also.
3 months of food? Check
Ammo? Check
Gun? Not enough, but getting more.
Silver? Bought a couple pounds more today.
Gold? Some but not enough.
Water filter system next.
Generator, in sound (and sight) isolation pit.
Moonshine "still" for the obvious, as well as fuel.
Children's pool for some basic aquaculture (consider carp.)
Heirloom seeds of both virtue and vice.
Multi-vitamins.
Booooooooze!!!!!!!!!!!! My god. My supplies aren't complete. Son of a.......
My wife is going to seriously question my sanity when I order a crate of tampons and pads.
Have the seeds and indoor growing equipment. I didn't get these for collapse, I just like growing stuff.
Tang might be a good supply.
Tampontang bitches!
I'm not a survivalist, but I don't know what's wrong with the ones who've homesteaded the space. I don't see any of my items (including alcohol for consumption and fuel) on their lists . . . and regardless of how you might feel about drugs, under such a scenario opiates (poppies) and high grade hemp will be extremely valuable.
Get that concrete house with metal roof, though. Burning you out will be the obvious strategy. You can't fight that off with guns.
i would like to come over and meet you, B O B.
Nice cover story..........pot head. :>)
Oddly enough.....tobacco. Virginia gold.
I dont smoke, but doesnt that stuff go stale after a few weeks? Was thinking of that myself.
Not in sealed cans.
Let's put it this way: I have never seen anyone refuse it because it was stale.
Hey, maybe that is what happend to Bill Clinton...
Water filtration / Emergency water should be a priority. 3 days without potable water and you're dead. Make sure to have a good medical kit handy as well. Quick Clot or any other hemostasis / hemostatic guaze is your friend...
...edit: replace water with scotch...
Ya gotta be honest with yourself here, imo. You can store cases of Scotch, Cognac, Bourbon, whatever. But do you really think it will be there when you really need it?
You're gonna drink it with your first new friends. Those will only be the people who are the latest lame asses you thought were your friends. Spend your money on something that will last: A still.
Folks forget water.In an emgergency REMEMBER you have 40-55+ gallons of Potable in your Hot Water heater/s.
In the back of your toilets, you have 3-5 gallons, as long as you have not hung a deoderizer/chlorine tab in it.
That's a lot of water for "Essentials".
Also, DO NOT make the mistake of buying cases of 16oz plastic bottled H2o.
Maybe enough for 6-8 mos (emg spares), as the new plastic containers are Bio-degradable,and will leak after around 12 mos(even inside storage).
Rice/Red Beans,Pastas,have a shelf lives of years (if you keep the vermin out).
You can LIVE on Rice/Beans, H2o.For a LONG time...............3 items, and your safe(but boring after a while).Vitamins Multi, and Extra C.( much more, but that's enough to keep you alive a long time.(pain meds,prescrips a absolute must,good FA Kit, and manual.)
and in case you run out of potable water:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioSand_Filter
you can make one out of a 5gal bucket if needed.
oh i use to pee in a 5gal bucket, my BF made me. not too bad if you have a small butt. just pee and throw to the wind. see us girls have to squat to feel comfortable. but when i shower, and have to GO ooooo i love to pee standing up. just sayin.
better to pee in the compost
get a post menopausal bitch. no tampon needs, just sayin†
vitamins:
http://www.healthforce.com/
Ugh! Fresh fruits, veggies and herbs (fennel, rosmary, basil, etc.), are a far better source of vitamins and minerals. Popping pills is poor bioavailability...placebo if anything, and they have a shelf life.
Live food, for a live body!
http://www.survivalblog.com/newbies.html
May I suggest a nice 50 Cal BMG rifle? It is good for getting the attention of any jack booted thugs that might come your way.
Dude, have you ever seen a severed toe?
It will be much worse than that...
You want a severed toe? Cause I can get you a severed toe, its no big deal.
It's just magical that there's a movie reference for EVERYTHING.
...Mama just had a way of explainin' things so they made sense...
It's magical, and sad in a way also. My parents were absent or preoccupied, so television/movies essentially raised me. Hence the absolute inability for me to form an original thought, and the unbearable triteness of my being. We do what we will. After all, going through the motions is better than going under, over, or around them (or so we are told...by television, hey what do you want from me...).
Zombie nation yo!
Ok, silver at $100....
Next summer.....and oil is at.....$20 per gal.....gold is.....$3300....armed guards at grocery stores??? Not then, following winter, when silver is at....$200, and oil is at.....$600/barrel....and gold is $5000. Houses have lost half of their value at best and the dollar is pronounced dead at DXY 44. New currency is announced, it was invented by Mundell and Krugman, and gold vaults to $10,000 where then it is announced that 'All the problems are solved.' And everyone can get to work, farming.
Something like that.
Take off those rose-colored glasses.
Everything is so.....so.....warm and cozy. Lemonade?
My Pretty Pony!
Would you like to play? Afterwards we are having tea with Geithner and Bernanke. They have barbie cars!
pink lemonade.
old dollar bill = new Waddle Bill?
If you are implying that we will be paid in corporate stock and such I am right there with you. Everyone working for corporations, paid in stock, may seem like science fiction, but day by day it is merging with the old FIAT system.
Well, we must slave to save our Corporate Overlords . . . or all is lost.
Yeah, it was called company "chits" and you could only spend them at the company store.
"lost my soul to the company store" is not just a song, it was a way of life for many in many industries, specially mining towns. Would not surprise me if in case of a currency collapse you would see some corporations returning to that system temporarily.
+26
I will be protecting the nuclear power plant. You can count on me! Hmm.. was that a donut I saw?