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Silver Set For All Time Record Quarterly Close - Gold To Silver Ratio On Way To 17 To 1 As Per 1980?

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Silver Set For All Time Record Quarterly Close - Gold To Silver Ratio On Way To 17 To 1 As Per 1980?

Gold and silver have consolidated on yesterday’s gains as inflation, geopolitical and eurozone debt concerns support. Silver has risen above its 31 year record closing price of yesterday and looks set to target new record nominal intraday highs above $38.16/oz.

‘Poor man’s gold’ is set for a record nominal quarterly close which will be bullish technically and set silver up to target psychological resistance at $40/oz and then the nominal high of $50.35/oz . Silver’s record quarterly close was $32.20/oz on December 31st, 1979.

While silver is up 22 percent this year and is heading for a ninth straight quarterly advance, its fundamentals remain very sound. With gold above its nominal record of 1980, poor man’s gold continues to be seen as offering better value. To the masses in India, China and Asia, silver is the cheap alternative to gold and an attractive store of value and hedge against inflation and debasement of paper currencies.

Increasing global investment and industrial demand in the very small and finite silver bullion market is a recipe for higher prices.  Thus, as we have long asserted the gold silver ratio is likely to revert to its long term average of 16 to 1.

A return to a ratio of 16 to 1 is likely due to basic supply and demand and the geological fact that there are 16 parts of silver for every one part of gold in the earth’s crust.

The fact that a huge amount of silver has been used in industrial applications and consumer items since the industrial revolution of the 19th century makes a return to the 16 to 1 ratio likely in the long term.   

$40/oz silver may offer psychological resistance and could see profit taking but those buying silver are strong hands who rightly believe that silver will very likely reach its 1980 nominal high of $50.35/oz. Real silver bulls believe that silver may reach its inflation adjusted high of $150/oz (see Financial Times Infographic below).

A tiny minority of retail investors have begun to look at silver but it remains largely the preserve of the smart money, a very small amount of hard money advocates in the U.S. and of store of value buyers in Asia. Much of the price gains seen recently may be due to banks closing out some of their massive concentrated short positions which are being investigated by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC).

NEWS

(Bloomberg) -- Faber Says Investors Should Hold Gold Amid U.S. Monetary Policy

Marc Faber, publisher of the Gloom, Boom & Doom report, said investors should have from 10 to 20 percent of their portfolio in gold as an inflation hedge.

“I want to buy more gold,” said Faber in an interview in Mexico City today. “Each time that I see Mr. Bernanke, and each time Mr. Tim Geithner opens his mouth, I feel like buying more gold and silver.”

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke kept plans to buy $600 billion of Treasuries through June. Bernanke said last month the U.S. needs faster employment growth for a sufficient time before policy makers can be assured the economic recovery has taken hold. Meanwhile the bank will seek to hold borrowing costs “exceptionally low.”

Under current U.S. monetary policy “gold will go up substantially,” Faber said. “I own gold as an insurance policy, because I think the whole system will collapse one day.”

(Bloomberg) -- Bolivia Protesters Halt Operations at San Cristobal Silver Mine

Sumitomo Corp.’s silver, zinc and lead mine in Bolivia has been halted since last week by a strike, the mining ministry said. Workers at the San Cristobal mine are demanding better health care, a government official, who can’t be named because of ministry policy, said today by telephone.

Sumitomo’s San Cristobal, in southwestern Bolivia’s mineral-rich region of Potosi, is the world’s third-largest silver mine and the sixth-biggest zinc mine.


(Bloomberg) -- Gold Heads for 10th Quarterly Gain on Investment Haven Demand

Gold headed for a 10th straight quarterly rise, the longest in three decades, as turmoil in the Middle East, fighting in Libya and Japan’s nuclear crisis increased demand for an investment haven. Bullion for immediate delivery advanced 0.3 percent to $1,427.13 an ounce at 5:28 p.m. in Melbourne, taking the quarterly gain to 0.5 percent. The June-delivery contract in New York rose 0.3 percent to $1,428.50, heading for a 0.5 percent quarterly rise.

“There is a lot of uncertainty around the globe in terms of political events,” David Lennox, a Sydney-based resource analyst at Fat Prophets, said by phone today. Fighting could escalate in Libya, while there is uncertainty surrounding Bahrain and the nuclear crisis in Japan, he said.

Gold reached a record $1,447.82 an ounce on March 24 amid tension in northern Africa and the Middle East and after a March 11 earthquake and tsunami in Japan killed thousands and caused radiation to leak from a nuclear plant. Libyan rebels were forced to retreat this week by troops loyal to Muammar Qaddafi after earlier advances were helped by U.S.-led air strikes.

“We are now starting to see that the air strikes may not be completely effective against Qaddafi, and that’s going to raise the next bar,” Lennox said.

Gold advanced for nine consecutive quarters through Dec. 31, 2010, partly because investors bought the metal as a hedge against dollar and euro weakness. Gains were limited this quarter on signs the U.S. economy is improving, boosting investor appetite for higher-yielding assets like stocks.

‘Upward Advance’

“In nominal terms it has been a pretty steady upward advance, but it has come off a period prior to 2000 where we basically had 20 years of flat gold prices,” Ben Westmore, an analyst at National Australia Bank Ltd. in Melbourne, said today.
Companies in the U.S. added 201,000 workers in March, a sign the labor market may be strengthening, according to figures from ADP Employer Services yesterday. Employment increased by a revised 208,000 in February, said the report, which is based on payrolls.

Economists project a Labor Department report tomorrow will show the jobless rate held at 8.9 percent. It has fallen by 0.9 percentage point over the last three months, the biggest decline since 1983.

The Standard & Poor’s 500 index rose 0.7 percent yesterday and is up 5.6 percent this quarter. “Buoyant equities and a positive U.S. ADP employment report removed some of the safe-haven premium” in the gold market, Mark Pervan, head of commodity research at Australia & New Zealand Banking Group Ltd., wrote in a note today.

Silver for immediate delivery climbed 0.4 percent to $37.62 an ounce, heading for a 22 percent rise this quarter, the ninth straight quarterly gain. The metal has more than doubled in the past year and reached a 31-year high of $38.165 on March 24. Immediate-delivery platinum was little changed at $1,773.90an ounce and palladium gained 0.7 percent to $758.75 an ounce.

(Bloomberg) -- Six Arrested in Bundesbank Euro Coin-Forgery Scam, Prosecutors Say
Six people were arrested in a probe over 29 metric tons of forged euro coins that were cashed in at the Bundesbank, German prosecutors said.

The suspects received 1-euro and 2-euro coins from workshops in China where destroyed coins were remade, Doris Moeller-Scheu, a spokeswoman for Frankfurt prosecutors, said in an e-mailed statement today. No employees of Germany’s central bank are suspected of wrongdoing.

The Bundesbank is the only central bank in Europe that exchanges damaged coins without charging a fee, according to Moeller-Scheu. The money must be returned in bags that hold 1,000 euros worth of coins.

“The Bundesbank controls the value mainly by weighing, and does occasional visual sample test,” Moeller-Scheu said. “Then the money value is transferred to an account of the presenter or he can withdraw it from a Bundesbank account.”
Four suspects are of Chinese descent, according to the statement. They were helped by flight attendants who transported the coins in their hand luggage, for which no weigh limit applies, Moeller-Scheu said.

Lufthansa was informed that some individual employees are being investigated, Deutsche Lufthansa AG spokesman Peter Schneckenleitner said in an interview. He said the company wouldn’t comment on prosecutors’ probes.

The 29 metric tons of coins were imported between 2007 and 2010, representing a nominal value of 6 million euros, Moeller- Scheu said.

 


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Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:30 | Link to Comment TexDenim
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Time to melt down grandma's dinner service. Sell!

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:47 | Link to Comment Just Observing
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In 2-3 years, you'll SURE wish you had waited, unless you plan to put the proceeds in something else that is real.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:34 | Link to Comment Malaespina
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In Roman times, the Silver to Gold price ratio was 25, and inflation was high with all the pillage and sacking coming from the provinces! So, with Gold above 1400, Silver could well be at 56!!!!!!!

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:42 | Link to Comment silvertrain
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I dont think we know what it could be , should be , or might be due to the fact that it hasnt been able to trade freely in many years..

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:25 | Link to Comment malikai
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It seems to me that the ratio should be even lower if we are talking nominal terms. Considering the fact that large amounts of silver are sitting in landfills, the industrial demand is large, and there is more gold above ground than silver.

 

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:52 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Israel Friedman says Silver will surpass the price of Gold. Eventually an ounce of Silver will be worth multiple ounces of Gold.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 10:25 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Perhaps for a moment, but doubtful.  Silver is in a classic bubble, albeit long term and a long way from the top.  Once the wave breaks, silver will fall to a level supported by industry, and gold will be gold.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 11:29 | Link to Comment tekhneek
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God, but you're wrong. The supply/demand fundamentals don't tell me that. I have no doubt it will "peak" and could crash to an extent, but I personally think the gold/silver ratio will flip on its head due to the rarity and the fact that, gold's cool for jewelry, but you can't fucking send shit to outerspace and make superconductors with gold. You can with silver.

Industry will demand continuously more and more silver. I'm sure the jewelry/investmend demand will pick up, but I highly doubt silver will "burst" down to a level supported merely by industry. Besides, how much does industry pay for an ounce of silver when there's a fixed, accounted for volume left?

I'm long land fills and silver. We haven't even experienced frantic buying, or anything of that nature and look where it's at already and the price is still artificially LOW. I don't see how it's a bubble personally. Just because something goes up, doesn't always necessarily mean it must come down.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 10:27 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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He has a point, but I think the psychological barriers are too great.  But I think that Au/Ag will indeed surpass historical mean of 15 or so.

I do not believe that Au/Ag will get smaller than 5.  I think that would be a reasonable time to sell your Ag.  Sell it for Au, I mean.

 

Oh, and ... Fed delenda est.

 

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 15:14 | Link to Comment akak
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I do not believe that Au/Ag will get smaller than 5.

I tend to agree, if for no other reason than the fact --- often overlooked by those over-enthusiastic silver bulls who like to focus on above-ground stockpiles only --- that there is still around nine times more silver mined in any one year than gold.

Don't get me wrong, I am very bullish on silver, but this idea of silver one day being MORE expensive than gold is just crazy talk, in my humble opinion.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 12:30 | Link to Comment False Capital
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Do you have a reference for there being more silver than gold above ground? I can well believe that central bank stockpiles are weighted towards gold, but in absolute totals? I don't see many of "grandma's dinner sets" being made of gold. As the price of silver rises it should draw more silver to market. There must be tons of old silver currency and tableware just waiting to be remelted, whereas most of the monetary gold is already in circulation and much unwanted gold jewellery has already been bought up by "we buy gold" scam merchants.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:27 | Link to Comment cowdiddly
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I don't own much silver, but here is some silver porn for you guys. Makes you want to go grab a bar or two. The local shop is sold out of bars till next week and I met a guy in there that was an old stock trader makes you go Hummm...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKjzMXTNXeU&feature=related

 

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:19 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Why did Rome collapse?  What was the real reason? 

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 10:26 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Nobody thought to open a history book to read how it ends.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 10:37 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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the real reason why Rome was destroyed was the concept of  the interest rate on money, no? Seems like over time, they picked up some new "citizens" from the middle east, who had ideas on money and the rest is hiss tow ree....

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 17:49 | Link to Comment savagegoose
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they taxed in gold,. but paid in silver. had too many controlling gov restrictions. and basically the provinces saw life under the barbarians as giving more freedom than under rome. also continiously reduced the amount of silver in silver coins over time. till nerr the end almost no silver was in coins at all.

farm companies developed, owning massive areas of land and people who where broke forced to work farms as a pre cursor to landed serfs. individual farmers where taxed but companies with contacts in gov got tax concessions, meaning  going into debt to pay taxes and ending up farming own land for the companies.

subsidised food for city people also brought about higher taxes for those unfortunate to have to pay it.

it was also all based on conquest and looting gold form the conquored. once they reached a limit, there supply of gold dried up thus the devaluing by reducing precious metal content of coins.

then there is also stories of  rome being in a period of globull warming that ended and farm productions being reduced. they once grew grapes in the brittain im lead to believe.

 

ermm provincial leaders where told what tax to collect and what was short came out of their personal wealth. = harsher and harsher taxes and provinces thinking that maybe the barbarians might not be such bad rulers after all.

 

heheh thats how i percived it not rerally one reason, but i can see comparisons with the USA

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:34 | Link to Comment Dan The Man
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Oh god please !!!

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:38 | Link to Comment dildo o flaherty
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  siver bitchez!

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:38 | Link to Comment Sheikh Djibouti
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Looks like someone has started forging Euro tokens en masse.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:52 | Link to Comment Just Observing
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IF it's the same metal content as current Euro coins, is it REALLY a forgery ??  Remember, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery....he he he.....

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:39 | Link to Comment Alcoholic Nativ...
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Go long euthanasia.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:42 | Link to Comment unwashedmass
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blythe has a few hours to stop this.

she's got JPM billions AND FED BILLIONS .....

And she's got the CTFC steadfastly looking the other way.

Make it so, Blythe, make it so.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:43 | Link to Comment unwashedmass
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blythe has a few hours to stop this.

she's got JPM billions AND FED BILLIONS .....

And she's got the CTFC steadfastly looking the other way.

Make it so, Blythe, make it so.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:42 | Link to Comment JonNadler
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I can't wait for silver to hit $50 so I can start screaming DOUBLE TOP!

DOUBLE TOP

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:47 | Link to Comment GoldCore
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Always enjoy the comments on Zero Hedge. The bears who continue to scream 'sell' despite the hugely positive fundamentals are beyond myopic and appear to be borderline delusional. They have yet to realise that owning gold and silver is not about trading or the mundane buying and selling but about owning financial insurance that will protect from the massive geopolitical, environmental, macroeconomic and monetary risk facing humanity.

Our GoldNomics video may enlighten as to why gold has retained value throughout history:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HaqwFJj4ZY

While we remain bullish on silver, gold remains the ultimate safe haven and it is worth remembering that gold's portability saw it surge in value versus silver in the Weimar hyperinflation.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:48 | Link to Comment ViewfromUnderth...
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160:1

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:55 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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What is that your weight and IQ?

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:37 | Link to Comment Campagnolo
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LOL

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:59 | Link to Comment Blindweb
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Supposedly that was due to the threat of a Communist takeover.  If it's time to run for the border, the gold silver ratio may change directions. 

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:02 | Link to Comment Turd Ferguson
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For GoldCore: +++++

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:46 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Yes, silver is speculative, and is only a trade with the goal of getting a larger amount of gold at some point in the future.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:48 | Link to Comment sudzee
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Silver is not very good for big money. Gold is the only refuge for 10's of trillions of fiat becomming more worthless every day.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:02 | Link to Comment Turd Ferguson
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You protect your wealth with gold.

You protect your ability to purchase things with silver.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:10 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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+1 Most here don't get it even though they probably use copper clad coins daily.

In some countries in SE Asia 95% of real estate transactions are settled in gold... coming to a realtor near you in the near future.

Interesting how after each options expiry bullion banks try to run the stops and then, next day, PMs take off again. Lows are getting higher on each cycle = Fed slowly losing control.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:00 | Link to Comment quasimodo
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Great point Snidley. The half life of all these shenanigans gets shorter and shorter each time. Too bad fuckyousheema was not the same.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:52 | Link to Comment zaknick
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What a joke of a report.

Libya....Bahrain pffft much bigger events aré behind this situation. More like S+P downgrades against IMF wishes yesterday and now the threat to stop rating with Bretton Woods 3 against some banksters wishes.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:55 | Link to Comment johny2
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20 to 1 ratio sounds reasonable. 

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 14:30 | Link to Comment sullymandias
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parity sounds reasonable to me

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 07:58 | Link to Comment JohnnieWalker
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The ECB raising interest rates from a 1% base-level won't keep spot silver under $40 for long. If gold takes out $1500 and starts to outperform we could go parabolic.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:05 | Link to Comment gordengeko
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FYI, for every $1 move in spot silver, AGQ moves roughly $10 fiat US dollars.  Silver at $50 is about $345 in AGQ dollars.  Current prices are $37.80/$226 roughly.  So in theory with say a $19K investment you could buy 500 ounces (not including premiums) or 84 shares of AGQ.  Silver spot hits $50/$345, cash in your AGQ and you could buy roughly 580 ounces.  Net an extra 80 ounces of physical.  If enough investors did just that, one would theorize it could very well push the fiat spot price even higher in a short amount of time because more physical could be bought thus removing even more physical from the marketplace.  Thoughts?

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:16 | Link to Comment magis00
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I agree GG.  2 comments to submit for consideration:  First, playing the leveraged paper game is sure to win in medium- to long-term, because AG spot is going up one way or the other; Second, there's a time-value of money tension because while your agq may hit 345 in three or six or twelve months, that $345 cash may not find any available silver, or the premiums over and above the $50 spot may ask for more than the juice from your agq investment.  For me, as much physical as possible is the solution - with IRA account FRN play money to agq, slw, exk, etc.  GL

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:26 | Link to Comment gordengeko
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True, I'm actually thinking more along the lines of dumping half of a larger investment and buying more physical (or try to) then let the rest of the fiat investment ride up the rest of the way.  I've put many in AGQ (some even got lucky and scooped up AGQ at $120-130 in the Feb lows) because I could not get them to buy physical, rest assured I will convince them once it hits $50.  But this all just leads to a zero sum game for the US dollar, I get that, this strategy will just extrapolate the decimation of the current monetary system.  Use their own shit against them basically. :)

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:17 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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Sounds workable Gordon. Problem is it requires holding paper for some amount of time...and, no one wants to be holding paper when the music stops.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:52 | Link to Comment Saxxon
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AGQ is wonderful if you are on the right side of the trade; which anyone in the past eight months playing AGQ long, has been.

It is a volatile issue; moreso than the triple ETFs these days.  You need to believe in the position and be prepared to ride out corrections that take longer than you had anticipated.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:59 | Link to Comment gordengeko
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I think there will always be some sort of paper currency that has a nominal value to physical.  So even if the US dollar music stops, it will still hold some value in relation to physical I would think.  The hard part is trying to make more $$$'s while the dollar itself is falling.  One way is to play leveraged stocks/options if yuo know what you're doing.  You would be surprised how many don't know how close we are to the end game. 

One way to play silver is AGQ on the way up and if you are good ZSL on the way down for a quick 2-10%, then buy more AGQ on the dips.  You could also do options, neither of which are for the faint of heart since the moves are fast and furious.  It is the crack of the market, but hey it's all an illusion of digits on a screen anyway.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:44 | Link to Comment Weisbrot
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perhaps he left beacuse WB caught him sitting in his chair

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:06 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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One to one ratio if "Pants Suit' Clinton keeps launching cruise missiles at 'Worm Lips' Momar 'Many of Many Spellings' Kaddfeey.

How many kilos of silver in a Tomahawk?

 

 

 

<HELP> For Explanation.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:29 | Link to Comment DavidC
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"...each Tomahawk has more than a monster box (500 oz.) of silver inside of each missile."

See my link below - I haven't verified it, though I did read another piece the other day that said 15lbs (= 240 oz.).

DavidC

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:04 | Link to Comment Just Observing
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I find 500oz per missile a hard number to believe.  Even if ALL the wiring was solid silver, I doubt it would run that high.  Love to see some real figures and the actual reason for the figure, rather than something that sounds like it was pulled from thin air.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:35 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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It is entirely possible to have that amount of silver in a missile. The wiring harness is made of silver. All RF shielding is also made of silver. Several ounces of Gold used in connector pins is also used. I worked on Mil-spec equipment most of my adult life so I know what I'm talking about. Basically when it comes to missiles no short cuts are used such as silver or gold plating of anything. All wiring and RF shielding will be Silver and all mechanical connections will use solid gold pins and sockets.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 10:34 | Link to Comment Max Cynical
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"Note each cruise missile contains approx. 15kg of silver in wiring, contacts, solder and batteries."

http://ausbullion.blogspot.com/2011/03/1650kg-of-silver-fired-at-libya-t...

 

 

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:49 | Link to Comment Weisbrot
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supposed to be 1.5 kilos or about 48 troy ounces. however I really have no actual clue.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:06 | Link to Comment BS_Merchant
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Where is Math Man when you need him??

 

 

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:47 | Link to Comment tmosley
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He logged out and can't get back in past the captcha.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:45 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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Heh. Or maybe after making margin calls on his silver short he couldn't pay his cable bill?

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 15:26 | Link to Comment akak
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He tripped on his jammies while going down the basement stairs to his computer, and went headlong into his carefully-arranged collection of Beanie Babies, ruining a number of the rarest and most "valuable" of the set.  His grief has been so profound that he simply has no longer been able to muster the will to argue the "fact" that silver only costs $5 to pull from the ground.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:37 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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Striking Silver miners are doubling the cost of mining it to $10 an ounce. This blows a hole in his $20 an ounce fall back in price.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:16 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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"(Bloomberg) -- Six Arrested in Bundesbank Euro Coin-Forgery Scam, Prosecutors Say"

"Four suspects are of Chinese descent, according to the statement. They were helped by flight attendants who transported the coins in their hand luggage, for which no weigh limit applies, Moeller-Scheu said.

Lufthansa was informed that some individual employees are being investigated, Deutsche Lufthansa AG spokesman Peter Schneckenleitner said in an interview. He said the company wouldn’t comment on prosecutors’ probes.

The 29 metric tons of coins were imported between 2007 and 2010, representing a nominal value of 6 million euros, Moeller- Scheu said."

New headline... "Lufthansa employees have the worlds longest arms"

Must have been lots of employees in on this scam... Some simply looking the other way, some actively engaged.

 

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:56 | Link to Comment Saxxon
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The Chinese fake the Pandas, too.  They leave off the Yuan sign.  It is legal in the PRC for them to mint fakes, as long as they don't include the Yuan sign.  Caveat emptor. 

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:26 | Link to Comment DavidC
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"Bernanke said last month the U.S. needs faster employment growth for a sufficient time before policy makers can be assured the economic recovery has taken hold."

It hasn't and it won't because it can't.
DavidC

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:31 | Link to Comment bigdumbnugly
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"So far the US has thrown 3 tons of silver at Libya just with the Tomahawk missiles."

 

is this our idea of foreign aid now?  what happened to that kinder, gentler stuff?

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:20 | Link to Comment Reptil
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:-D

#frontrunning </sarcasm>

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 10:59 | Link to Comment ZapBranigan
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His body language is all fucked-up in that segment.  He's either saying something he's not allowed to or he's saying something that he doesn't believe himself.  But, frontrunning could definitely be the reason and his demeanor is that of guilt. 

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 16:29 | Link to Comment malikai
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At the end of that, he's saying the premiums in China are very high, but they are not. In my experience over there, the premiums are rediculously low. In the UK, you get a good 20% premium, plus a 20% VAT all over spot. APMEX was charging me about 15% over spot when I bought stateside. In China, you get about a 10% premium at a state dealer with no tax, but that is if there is any available. Availability is the problem in China because private investor demand is extreme.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 16:28 | Link to Comment malikai
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Thu, 03/31/2011 - 08:48 | Link to Comment 3rivers
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Thai gold exports for month of February were 1.24 billion $USD.  Thailand isn't a miner but has zillions of gold shops in every little town. released today by  Bank of Thailand Ec. Conditions for Feb.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:32 | Link to Comment PPagan
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In Sufism (the mystical branch of Islam) there are innumerable teaching stories about the Mullah Nasrudin.

 

One day the Mullah was browsing his favorite web site (ZH). "Buy Gold (and Silver)!" it proclaimed.

"I think you're right!" he exclaimed in enthusiasm.

 

As he continued browsing, he ran across this article;

http://seekingalpha.com/article/260900-the-impending-collapse-of-the-gol...

 "Gold (and Silver) is a Bubble!" it explained.

Convinced again, he murmured "I think you're right!"

 

Then his wife, who had been watching over his shoulder, said, "But Mullah, they can't both be right."

"I think you're right!" he admitted.

 

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Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:45 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Sufism is part of Shia , no?  Who started Shia? 

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:59 | Link to Comment deeznutz
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Sufism predates Islam itself

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:32 | Link to Comment Cole Younger
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There comes a point that gold / silver priced in U.S. dollars is meaningless. Every little raise in PM's brings us closer to that point.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:34 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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I noticed Cramer has pictures of Lenin and Chairman Mao on his set and yesterday on the CNBC  show  "street signs"  Burnet asked Cramer something about his college days at Harvard and he told her , that he was a follower of Leon Trotsky. Interesting tidbit, I might add.  I also noticed that Erin Burnet is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Hmmm. 

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:45 | Link to Comment gordengeko
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Below are two real good videos.  Trosky, Lenin, socialism, communism and the rest of the isms.  All of this stuff has to be financed and backed behind the scenes, these are all just fronts for the powers that drive everything.  People like cramer and the other nitwits on cnbc all are paid soldiers to convince the populous of their propaganda.  They all think they by selling everyone out for their supposid benefit they and their families will be safe when the shit hits the fan.  Little do they know, they are not safe either plus they sold their soul for nothing.

 

The money masters

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936#

http://www.larouchepac.com/firewall

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 10:13 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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I noticed he put his  $100M in a charitble trust in order to protect it and evade taxes ,etc, I am sure.  So like a true communist, he thinks its ok for some people to have money, just not everybody and he as a member in good standing should be allowed to make the decision on who has what? Hmmmm.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:58 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Ratio of Ag to Au production is 9:1

Crustal abundance is 16:1

Ratio of production for investment purposes ~2.5:1 (derived from the Silver Institute Data)

Current price ratio 1:38

Draw your own conclusions

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 10:28 | Link to Comment msohn
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Bingo . . . I agree that silver should merit more value relative to gold.

 

However, it should be noted that the sometimes Tom Gugliotta (the poor man's Larry Bird) is still not Larry Bird.

 

So the poor man's gold . . .

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 10:38 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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Good and important info but it looks like you inverted your ratio from silver/gold to gold/silver for the current price. 

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 11:53 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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 Umm... a quibble, I thought I was consistent about the Ag:Au all the way down..   price per oz 1:38 n'est pas??

The only "fear" I have is that if industrial demand slackens, then investment demand must pick up the slack. This has to be weighed against an economic downturn also curtailing production. For the first time in years, most "silver" mines are profitable on silver alone and not relying on base metal credits.

Disclaimer: Long CEF, EXK, IPT.TO, SLW, SLX.TO, FVI.TO, AG, HBM (check out their silver reserves!), HL, HLPRB, KS.TO and a few bags of Kennedy's and Franklins... and SLV Jan 12 25 calls.

Aside from some core equities, I have found the best way to buy silver is fairly deep in the money long dated SLV calls (minimize theta exposure) and sell short term calls against it (maximize theta return).

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 09:59 | Link to Comment citta vritti
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A little o/t, but Aussie chart and data hound Nick Laird, as per below, has opened up his wonderful www.sharelynx.com for free for 10 days in the hopes of  encouraging some to become paid up subscribers.

Please note that I have opened up www.sharelynx.com to free access for the next ten days in the hope or getting a few more chart subscribers.   Please tell your friends & pass it along.   Thanks Nick

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 11:07 | Link to Comment ZapBranigan
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Another 10:00am EST Ag nosedive...right on schedule.  LMAO!

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 11:23 | Link to Comment spartan117
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Blythe is working it today.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 12:25 | Link to Comment AmazingLarry
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Far more predictable than my bowel movements. If the plug wasn't pulled every damn day, what would that do to current prices?

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 21:47 | Link to Comment ZapBranigan
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Question: "If the plug wasn't pulled every damn day, what would that do to current prices?"

Answer: TPD (True Price Discovery)

To a measurable extent, you have to love the manipulation, because it affords you time.

 

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Badabing
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How much silver in a tomahawk missile? The wiring has a fraction of the amount of the 30 Lbs. or so silver contained in the missile. Most missiles have a long life silver oxide battery and has a good amount of the30lbs of silver and size varies in relationship to the particular type of sensing capabilities relating to smartness. Also silver oxide replaces aluminum oxide in the solid fuel as a more stable oxidizer for longer shelf life. Around 30 lbs sounds right.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 16:04 | Link to Comment Silversinner
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Years ago I started accumulating gold and silver

on a 50-50 basis and remained the ratio like

that intact until recently.Because of silvers

rise I am a little overweight in silver and

buy some gold to close the gap.Eventually

I expect to trade some silver for gold when

the ratio drops below 20.When the ratio drops

gold will be more expensive for fiat holders,

but less expensive for silver holders and a

great way to take away some of the risk due to

silvers volatility.

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